2021-22 Game Thread: Knicks @ Heat

Okay, finally the Knicks have a game where they should, by no means, win, so since they’ve been 1-4 in the last five games where I thought that they really should logically have won the game, then I guess that this means that this is the one that they will win, since they like making no sense.

You just know that all they need is to have a good win tonight against a very tough Heat team (which did just lost to the same Hawks team that the Knicks beat recently) for the Knicks bandwagon to be looking like the end scene in that Mr. Show sketch with Ducky, “Get the fuck in here!”

So that would be nice to see happen.

As an aside, I went to find an injury report and I saw this awesome opener, “The Heat, who have a record of 30 wins and 17 losses, are currently the top seed in the Eastern Conference. Their opponents for Wednesday, however, haven’t fared as well as they have so far.” That’s some fucking insight right there.

Mitch is playing tonight, but Noel is somehow out again. Do they some weird ass anti-Double Dragon shit where they can never be healthy at the same time?

Let’s go, Knicks!

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233 thoughts to “2021-22 Game Thread: Knicks @ Heat”

  1. Lowry and Herro out, but the Heat always make NBA players out of Lego boxes (Strus, Yurtseven, Vincent…).

    Let’s Go Knicks!

    Edit: maybe Herro can play? He was in H&S protocol but I saw him shooting pre-game…

  2. Wally: “Bam Adebayo isn’t that great offensively; this is a matchup where if you’re Julius Randle you have to look at it and say ‘I’m going to dominate this one.”

    OK, Wally.

  3. E, all merc’d out:
    Wally:“Bam Adebayo isn’t that great offensively; this is a matchup where if you’re Julius Randle you have to look at it and say ‘I’m going to dominate this one.”

    OK, Wally.

    What? So I was right muting the TV…

  4. Obviously no way of proving this but you get the impression there are 29 coaches who wouldn’t play Mitchell Robinson tonight

  5. Still seems wild to me that with how good Miami has been for the last decade, the fans still take so long to get to their seats.

  6. I am channeling Cronin and confidently predicting victory. They can’t handle our shit.

    Oof, that goddamn turnover

  7. Painfully obvious we shouldn’t be competitive … if we are, it’s luck … overhaul better start soon

  8. “So E, tell me — what do you think about the Knicks’ execution tonight??”

    “I’m in favor of it.”

  9. Does anyone have a list of the percentage of shots a player has blocked?

    RJ almost has to be in the upper end of that list among players that have a decent sample size.

  10. I was hopeful before season started … didn’t need to talk myself into the positivity … I thought we’d be better, even if we lost the camaraderie from last year … couldn’t have been more wrong. Ready as I’ll ever be, finally …

    Hopefully they prove me wrong

  11. That’s a great line Raven

    People like playing Miami. But they have done a great job building this squad.

  12. I was never more confident we would be so overmatched by a team than the Heat. They just operate on an entirely different level.

  13. randle losing tucker on that play was embarrassing…thibs would put obi on the bench for a week for that…

    can we trade randle for tucker straight up?

  14. Can we just fucking fast forward to when Obi and Grimes come in?

    This is far from the worst Knicks starting lineup of my life but it’s arguably the most boring.

  15. thenoblefacehumper:
    Can we just fucking fast forward to when Obi and Grimes come in?

    This is far from the worst Knicks starting lineup of my life but it’s arguably the most boring.

    I beg to differ, I could watch Randle iso all night long

  16. I LOVE that Thibs watches this game and decides “You know what, the problem right now is Mitch. Let’s sub in Taj. That should fix things.”

  17. Second sub off the bench after Alec Burks, non-point guard, is almost 37 year old converted power forward Taj Gibson.

  18. Kemba and Fournier were just horrible acquisitions for us. They changed our whole personna and not for the better.

  19. its good to see rj at least gets the call when scrubs are guarding him now…its a good first step to respect in the league..

  20. See, Burks made a turnover there for no real reason, sure — but at least he was under control and not trying to do something crazy when he did it. Think of it as a mature veteran turnover.

  21. I can figure our offensive practice, five circles drawn on the floor with spray paint and Thibs yelling to the players “don’t move out of the circles!”…

  22. Alec Burks has been a very good Knick who I think is burned out from his “things are going badly, please fix it all” role. Would like to see him thrive on a contender, preferably sooner rather than later.

  23. Alec Burks would be perfectly fine as a bench wing. How Tom Thibodeau ever got it into his head that he’s a point guard is akin to the riddle of the Sphinx.

    EDIT: Or the continuing mystery of why I haven’t become a member of the world’s favorite sportsbook.

  24. Does anyone have a list of the percentage of shots a player has blocked?

    RJ almost has to be in the upper end of that list among players that have a decent sample size.

    rj gets blocked 1.9/100 which is 8th most. ja is first at 2.4. dunno offhand as % of fga but presumably top 5.

  25. ptmilo:
    Does anyone have a list of the percentage of shots a player has blocked?


    RJ almost has to be in the upper end of that list among players that have a decent sample size.

    rj gets blocked 1.9/100 which is 8th most.ja is first at 2.4.dunno offhand as % of fga but presumably top 5.

    Thanks. I was hoping you’d come through. :-)

    So I’m not just seeing things. smh

  26. A Grimes 3 off the dribble and a Toppin oop to start the 2nd is the perfect tonic after the 1st

  27. Obi Toppin with one of those classic moves you always see from guys with no offensive skills

  28. my phone sends me alerts when the knicks game is about to start, and also if it’s a close game
    in the 4th quarter.

    what I really want is for it to tell me when Thibs puts the second unit in.

  29. That was arguably our best stretch and lead grew for Miami … not a great sign … we did everything almost right … offensive board not capitalized on … fast break layup missed and fall to floor … 5 on 4 … quick gets stepped back on … tough break …

  30. Max:
    Burks doing his best to held his title of NBA worst shooter at the rim…

    I saw Cam score at the rim in the 5 minutes that he’s played for us. Or was that a dream?

  31. We’re probably gonna make a run at some point when the Heat lose interest, but then they’ll start paying attention again and blow us out

  32. Toppin good passer in that it’s never weak stuff … when he passes it’s typically with some zip

  33. Man sign me up for as many Grimes minutes as possible. Even if he’s not hitting shots he is still easily a net positive with his defence.

  34. Seven points on three shots, two offensive boards, in six minutes for the backup quarterback.

  35. I was watching ESPN for a second at the beginning and Van Gundy commented, “The Knicks first unit has been playing terribly and the bench unit has had to make up for them.” The national tv audience must think he is pretty prescient.

  36. And now the first unit is back in. Somebody tell Van Gundy that we have an established rotation.

  37. Order restored,
    thank heaven we’ll run a meritocracy where you have to fight for playing time…

  38. Doesn’t Thibs have some pride? How do you let Randle make you look this hapless every night?

  39. anyone watch Raised By Wolves? I’ve been seeing a ton of ads for that show and I think they’re getting to me

  40. ptmilo:
    man kemba will stand in front of a ups truck for a whistle

    Is he working out? Not really .. but that’s why he’s probably not the first guy you go to dump … we have plenty of other candidates …

  41. And the Hawks are coming…
    The Kings were up by 12 in Atlanta after the 1st, then they were outscored 46-17 in the 2nd.

  42. Interesting to have the NY Knicks be the league laughingstock.

    (for those listening to the halftime show…)

  43. 13 is really not that big of a deficit. I think they’ll come out strong in the third.

  44. Two straight times down the court where the Knicks were actually moving the ball… let’s see if it continues.

  45. Randles an absolute moron … he’s digging himself bigger and bigger hole … he will be traded and he will be a backup …

  46. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a guy penetrate into the lane, try a non ‘oop pass to the center, and hit the backboard with it.

  47. Checking back in for the 3rd. Wow.

    Julius looks even more of a mess than usual.

    Thread suggests 2nd unit had some success, but this looks like we may see a lot of the kids after all….

  48. Former coach commentators are the worst since they will never criticize any coach and defend them to no end.

  49. It was just a timeout to settle them down, guys … no change to lineup … it wasn’t warranted …

  50. This is the fault of all the Knickerblogger posters who didn’t sufficiently celebrate the Clippers win

  51. Season of such hope. Now I hope for calamity. They’ve made us look so foolish for believing …

  52. like to see quick throw his body into someone on the drive. by far his biggest weakness is the lack of functional strength with the ball.

  53. We need to figure Thibs out. If he is really so obsessed with winning then why does he stick with his worst players? He must be obsessed with something else. Anyone who only cares about winning would not let Randle clown him like this.

  54. KevinR:
    Remember Cam Reddish? Neither do I

    Thibs’s beeper went off. Good call.

    EDIT: Some of the locker room stress might be that our second unit could easily beat our first in a best of seven series.

  55. We can’t have those plays where you take the ball from 30 feet and drive through the entire team for an off-hand and-1, Cam. Here, we prefer the three-man weave up top.

  56. One of Thibs’ assistants should recommend putting in the good players before the deficit reaches 26

  57. Knicks kids a bit like the Sundance Kid in the movie. Standing still, asked to hit a target, missing everything. Then he asks, “Can I move?”

  58. RJ, Obi, IQ all played at least fairly well if you want to be optimistic. Obi was terrific in his 20 minutes.

  59. @FredKatz
    The Knicks could be underdogs in 16 of their next 19 games:

    @ MIL
    v SAC
    v MEM
    @ LAL
    @ UTA
    @ DEN
    @ GSW
    @ POR
    v OKC
    v BKN
    v MIA
    v PHI
    @ PHI
    @ PHO
    @ LAC
    @ SAC
    @ DAL
    @ MEM
    @ BKN

  60. I usually can’t stand van Gundy’s endless gibberish about things he used to do while an actual game is going on behind him, but tonight he RAINED hate down on the starting five of the Knicks. It was delicious. He sounded like us.

  61. Hawks are now tied with the Knicks. By this time next week, the Knicks are extremely likely to be 12th in the East.

  62. Raven:
    I usually can’t stand van Gundy’s endless gibberish about things he used to do while an actual game is going on behind him, but tonight he RAINED hate down on the starting five of the Knicks. It was delicious. He sounded like us.

    eggzactly…it was like KB was puppet mastering van gundy’s shtick…

  63. JVG also did some interesting reminiscing about the Miami/Knicks rivalry. I really enjoyed listening to him today. Usually he’s pulling punches or going on spiels about how hard it is to be a coach or about how so and so needs to know that if he wants to win, he has to play harder…

  64. RJ was okay, Mitch was okay considering he probably shouldn’t have been playing and the other 3 guys were not awesome.

    Maybe that Sims dunk will convince Thibs to stop putting poor Taj out there

  65. ahhhhhh, i’m back…looks like i broke the KB profile thing with my latest escapade: The Smile of the Leo Man, a bit of a play on words with the supercool Lion Man statue found in a German cave and which dates back to around thirty-five thousand years ago…

    no doubt the best part of the evening’s broadcast was van gundy relentlessly hammering our starting five…

    wow, what an absolutely telling plus/minus for this game reference our roster construction..

    about two more weeks left til the trade deadline…now is not the time to stand pat…

  66. Reddish played ten minutes and even so I had a hard time making a mental picture of his game except that I felt he doesn’t seem like a natural shooter. He had a couple of good moments on defense, but sometimes he was invisible. In a way, I have to say, it was a little bit like the mixed results Obi often had last year, great athleticism sometimes and also periods of no impact at all. I hope he improves like Obi did.

  67. The Heat had four 20-pt scorers who combined to put up 88 points on 43 shots. That’s pretty good.

  68. It would be so easy to blow this team up:

    – Randle to either SAC or LAC for spare parts
    – Fournier to LAL for Horton-Tucker and Nunn
    – Kemba to BK for Bruce Brown and Jevon Carter

    Cut Nunn, Brown, and maybe others. Go young.

  69. if i remember right, thibs and van gundy are good friends…good chance they communicate, especially when they’re in the same city…i wonder how much of van gundy’s very pointed commentary regarding the knicks’ starters may have come from thibs himself…

  70. Oh, the time of the year when I stop watching Knick games, when even Clyde can’t make make me watch them…then I turn exlusively to spiting my morning coffe thru my nose reading KB.
    It’s like 2015 loop hole where Alexy Shved is our starting PG and Quincy Acy our Pointforward….Khanzy and D-red are punching one-liners Dangerfield style and Knickbbal-life is bearable.

    Have to mention what’s been really bothering me last weeks WTR to Knicks is this Boolius Crumble sthick….i mean wtf Julius. And I thought he was gona grow this year. Suckered again.

  71. Geo:
    if i remember right, thibs and van gundy are good friends…good chance they communicate, especially when they’re in the same city…i wonder how much of van gundy’s very pointed commentary regarding the knicks’ starters may have come from thibs himself…

    But that would suggest that Thibs has no control over who is in the starting lineup. Which… have you met Tom Thibodeau?

    It feels more likely to me that JVG has tried telling this to his buddy Thibs in private, Thibs has refused to listen, and so Jeff felt he had no choice but to talk about it early and often in a national telecast — both to protect JVG’s own rep (it would be a bad look if he didn’t acknowledge what’s so obvious to everyone) and to try to publicly exert more pressure on the Knicks to do something.

    Begley said last night that others in the league now have the sense that the Knicks would move Randle for the right package. At this point, I would gladly move him for any package that was not crippling to their salary cap over the next few years. And depending on the player(s) coming back, I might even not mind a cap-crippling move. Dude’s gotta go.

  72. DM to Thibs
    Load management( emotional stress*) for Randle ,and E4; or
    Start the bench and sub the starters ( they could not be worse)
    * Could the foul shooting be stress-related?

  73. At least our team has reached a boredom level that works for me… i fell asleep without even watching the whole 1st quarter. And going through the game reading the game thread the following day is much more fun. :P

  74. Alan: Begley said last night that others in the league now have the sense that the Knicks would move Randle for the right package. At this point, I would gladly move him for any package that was not crippling to their salary cap over the next few years. And depending on the player(s) coming back, I might even not mind a cap-crippling move. Dude’s gotta go.

    Yeah, Randle should go. It’s the best move for all parts, and for our future it’d be better if RJ could start being the man, for us to evaluate. There’ll be growing pains, so we’ll be in the lottery this season, but it’d be good to do it sooner than later.
    I only have a doubt about Leon and Randle. Could Leon be like the guy that goes to the casino and wins a lot of money on day 1, then he comes back on day 2 and loses double… now, a gambler probably comes back on day 3 to try to recover the losses, right? Can Leon be this guy, hoping that Randle gets his sh*t together and recovers some value?

  75. Burks has been very bad, so probably the “it’ll be easy to trade Burks for a first” ship has already sailed, right?

  76. @cybersoze I fell asleep in the first quarter also, and I live on the east coast… I’m starting to think Thibs might not survive this collapse… Who had the lowest win total prediction?

  77. I really doubt Thibs is in jeopardy (although historically it’s remarkable how many coaches of the year have lost their jobs the next season) because I think management certainly knows several things. One, injuries have hurt this season. Of course it was likely Walker or Rose would get hurt at some point, but both being out for an extended period was maybe not expected. And our center rotation has been trouble because of all the various injuries. Two, the East really is a lot better. There are almost no easy games. Three, Fournier has had his moments on offense but they have not been enough to overcome our much worse defense and Walker has often not been a plus player. Of course, it also matters what Thibs thought he would be able do with this line up. If he promised management the moon and didn’t deliver it that will work against him, but somehow I doubt he did that. It just doesn’t seem like him. A point in his favor is that some of the young guys really do seem to be getting better under him.

  78. If not for the contract situation and the need to move quickly before it gets worse, I’d say Randle deserves a new coach before we give up on him. Randle dragged Thibs and his shitty offense to 41 wins last season. The least Thibs could do is come up with a solid game plan to put him in good position to succeed.

    I’m encouraged that Leon may be willing to shift course on Randle so abruptly, but he should be just as willing to do so with Thibs.

  79. A point in his favor is that some of the young guys really do seem to be getting better under him.

    young guys get better naturally, though. I don’t see Thibs accelerating anyone’s growth. If anything, I think he’s stunting the growth of RJ, IQ, and Obi. He did wonders with Mitch defensively, though. Must give him that.

  80. GHenman: I’m starting to think Thibs might not survive this collapse…

    I think first Leon takes care of the roster, shipping the vets out, and then Thibs has no other choice but to play the young guys. And then our style of play will probably get better, at least i hope so. If after changing pieces we have the same boring style of play, then yes, he might go. And it’s nothing new, Mike Woodson did great in 2013 and was fired in 2014.

    GHenman: Who had the lowest win total prediction?

    No one voted for “Below 36”, which is the most likely to win, as of now. 36-40 had 5 votes, but there’s a high chance we won’t get there because the next 19 games are brutal, it’ll be hard to win more than 6 games. So we’ll probably be with 30 or fewer wins entering the easy last 14 games, but at that point it’d be stupid to chase wins, right? Right?

  81. Hubert: I’d say Randle deserves a new coach before we give up on him.

    While I see your point, that would be Knicks coach no.4 (and NBA coach no. 7) in his 7.5 year career.

  82. @KFNINJ: I know you’re team optimist, but Thibs has a lot more negative things than those justified by injuries or player’s that don’t meet the expectations. As this season is a disaster, should he tinker the lineups? Should he try a different offense? Should he slow down on the starters’ heavy minutes? I think it’s clear that he’s doing a bad job this year, he’s the coach for God’s sake, he can’t keep doing the same things expecting different results.
    All that said, i wouldn’t change him for now, i think the roster needs to be taken care to align it with our place in the win curve. We must collect picks and/or young players for our vets of value – Randle, Fournier, Burks. Unfortunately i think Kemba won’t have value, so he can be filler in a trade, or we can buy him out for him to go chase a ring with a contender for the minimum.
    I’d keep DRose, Taj and Noel for veteran leadership, and that’s it. And Taj should only play if we don’t have nobody else. Next year he can be an assistant coach, he seems to be a good influence on the young players.

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