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Thursday, February 21, 2019

2018-19 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Pistons

The Porzingis trade must have messed up the site, since there was no automatic game thread!

I got you, though.

I’m among the 20 or so people in attendance tonight to see the Knicks host the Pistons!

Hey, at least I get to avoid paying any attention to the State of the Union!

Let’s go…MitchRob!

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159 comments on “2018-19 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Pistons

  1. ptmilo

    pacers fans chanting lebron’s gonna trade you at brandon ingram on the ft line is pretty high level

  2. Brian Cronin Post author

    They seriously just plugged the Dallas guys into the starting five. That’s hilarious.

  3. geo

    @224 – GoldClub…it can’t be done…brian only has the special mojo for making bbcode/html stuff work on this site…

    which, considering some of the folks we have (number one being me) participating here – it’s probably better for everyone that way…too bad, i gotta couple of selfie sandwich eating pics showing no tan lines…

  4. BigBlueAL

    Breen and Clyde talking about going into the season that 8 teams have a legitimate shot at winning a championship and the Knicks were one of them. Aaah the good old days….

  5. Hubert

    Breen and Clyde talking about going into the season that 8 teams have a legitimate shot at winning a championship and the Knicks were one of them. Aaah the good old days….

    I heard this from the other room without context and was like “what the fuck, did we just trade for AD and Durant?”

  6. geo

    Update: Been a vegan now for around 6+ months. One of the best decisions of my life.

    mmmmmmm, bacon….bacon dipped in maple syrup…

    just kidding, good for you ras…seems like a very smart choice…i’m sure your body appreciates the change…

    well, gotta say – the boxscore looks pretty much the same as it did last week…

  7. Owen

    Clyde started his career with probably the most conservative suit he has ever worn.

    Somehow his sartorial choices are 35% of why I watch the telecast.

  8. Owen

    Seriously. I will not trade Mitch for AD. Comes down and has a dunk. Then swallows a Drummond shot attempt. Then runs the fast break, catches a lob, and converts.

    Marry me Mitch

  9. BigBlueAL

    I know he has his flaws but how the hell did we draft Frank ahead of DSJ?? If Knox was drafted on his 3 on 3 workouts then DSJ shouldv’e been too cause I would assume he would look amazing in workouts.

  10. chriskZIPCODE

    you know what the good side of the KP / Mudiah / THJ / Baker / Willie transactions is?

    Nobody loses their shit on here about letting Langston Galloway slip away any more.

  11. Owen

    Back off Cronin, he’s mine

    I can’t believe Calderon is still in the NBA. And that his TS% has dropped 20% since last year. Might be time to hang up the boots.

  12. Bruno Almeida

    Smith played a very good first quarter, that was nice, and we must protect Mitch at all costs. I can’t believe the Knicks now have two centers that play exactly like I ever wanted, but nobody else in the roster lol.

    Edit: oh my that alley oop finish <3

  13. Bruno Almeida

    What a hell of a fun first half so far! I’m glad I decided to pick this one to watch.

    Kadeem Allen also kinda looks like a NBA player, I could see him staying on the roster as a 4th guard.

  14. thenoblefacehumper

    DSJ is good at some important things but for the love of god stop the turnaround midrangers

  15. Z-man

    Serious question: is it at all possible that Mitch made Perry/Mills conclude that KP was expendable?

  16. Z-man

    Z-man, tell your son to put his KP jersey on eBay and buy him a Mitch Rob jersey STAT!

    Too late, the price just tripled!

  17. thenoblefacehumper

    Wes Matthews’ numbers are pedestrian as hell so how does he manage to look so much worse than them?

  18. Owen

    I’d rather give Mitch the max. Who knows what they think. Can’t create his own shot!

    I am kidding around a little bit tonight but Mitch really is the most exciting thing to happen to this team in two decades outside of Linsanity, which we will always have. I really believe that.

    Don’t know if he will put it together completely but the signs are definitely there.

  19. bockadoo

    Zion with 5 missed shots in one game. Has he ever done that? He is on his way to 20 rebounds though.

  20. Brian Cronin Post author

    Preemptively mad because I know our boy won’t be all-rookie

    Knox has a better chance bizarrely.

  21. Brian Cronin Post author

    Fiz is confusing. I dunno how the team is tolerating him. Other than it’s their job to

    He must be the most charismatic guy in the world off the court because he doesn’t seem to do anything when they’re on the court.

  22. Z-man

    Both are as lovable as it gets. The difference:

    Lin a) had no pedigree, b) we were actually rooting hard for wins then and c) some of us came to believe pretty early on that Linsanity was unsustainable.

    Mitch a) was a top HS prospect who should have been a lottery pick but was stupidly passed over by all 30 teams b) we’re rooting hard for losses and c) he looks much more for real than Lin ever did.

  23. Early Bird

    DSJr. is clearly more talented than Ntilikina, he just needs to not take midrange j’s for no reason. Wes has taken tanking to a whole new level.

  24. Z-man

    Funny, it makes you want to keep DeAndre around for the rest of the season…what’s the deadline for being added to a playoff team’s roster? Maybe we can delay the buyout until then…

  25. Z-man

    I have to admit to being dead wrong on Blake. He is still in that faux max category but damn he is good!

  26. thenoblefacehumper

    What does Frank Ntilikina do when given the ball on the perimeter with 4 seconds left on the shot clock? I dunno but not that.

  27. Early Bird

    Blake’s having a damn good year. If he wasn’t playing next to the human rebound vacuum, his numbers might match up with his contract.

  28. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    I can’t believe Calderon is still in the NBA. And that his TS% has dropped 20% since last year. Might be time to hang up the boots.

    Also, who wears boots while playing basketball?

  29. Brian Cronin Post author

    what’s the deadline for being added to a playoff team’s roster? Maybe we can delay the buyout until then…

    The rest of the month. So he just has to be cut by March 1st.

  30. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

    Mitch can be a great piece on a contender, but it would really help if he could eventually do more on offense than dunk. Those shots are not going to be there every night. He’ll still have an impact on defense on those nights, but we need two-way stars. He’d look a lot better as the 3rd piece behind Durant and Irving.

  31. Stratomatic "I'm tired of the Knicks paying lip service to DEFENSE. Get defenders & two-way players. Then play them!

    Vonleh is pure ass tonight.

    Vonleh probably has less value with Deandre Jordan on the court. Jordan is going to dominate the boards and clog up the middle more than even Kanter. Vonleh was a more of an ideal fit with Porzingis. Now that KP is gone, he’s more expendable in the right trade.

  32. thenoblefacehumper

    I don’t know how you get someone to stop constantly doing the dumbest shit imaginable but if someone could do that for DSJ I’d love to see the result

  33. d-mar

    Listen to those Knicks fans. If we put a contending team on the floor next year, they’ll blow the roof off MSG.

  34. Jack Bauer

    Dennis Smith freewheeling his way to 23 points on 20 shots….
    C’mon show us some efficiency

  35. Early Bird

    At least two of those shots were forced with the clock running down, including one halfcourt heave.

  36. Owen

    Listen to those Knicks fans. If we put a contending team on the floor next year, they’ll blow the roof off MSG

    Yep. It will be insane.

  37. Brian Cronin Post author

    DSJ is like Mudiay on speed. It’s kind of fun to watch but it’s also way out of control.

  38. Ntilakilla

    Dude, who else do you want taking shots on this team, Wes Matthews?

    I want a shot distribution where our PG doesn’t have more FGA than then the next two guys behind him combined.

  39. Hubert

    Mitch can be a great piece on a contender, but it would really help if he could eventually do more on offense than dunk. Those shots are not going to be there every night.

    No! We are not litigating this again!!

  40. Brian Cronin Post author

    I love how the offense is designed so that Kadeem Allen can just call his own number on repeated possessions.

  41. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    No! We are not litigating this again!!

    He’s basically Heatles-era Birdman but 20 years old and spry and cheap as hell. Those shots are gonna be there every night if he keeps jumping high and playing hard. Dude is physically superior to his peers. In the fucking N-B-A.

  42. ptmilo

    as great as it is to watch mitch try and mostly succeed at blocking all the shots, he’s going to have to learn to dial it back and stop playing tag. it’s amazing he can play as hard as he does for 7-8 minutes stretches.

  43. Z-man

    Really? We’re going to nitpick DSjr’s performance tonight?

    Of the shots that he’s missed, I’d call 3 at most bad shots. The kid has had a very good game.

  44. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Zaza should get an Oscar for that

    I thought it was an obvious foul until I saw the replay

  45. Owen

    Me too.

    Mitch doesn’t get a good whistle. And hacks like crazy.

    I don’t know about DSJ but Blake is showing me something tonight.

  46. Ntilakilla

    Okay, look, I am not trying to start shit here. But let’s be real. 23 points on 22 shots is not a good night for a scorer and 5 assists to 4 TOs is not a good night for a primary ball handler.

  47. Ntilakilla

    LOL @ Fizdale calling timeouts to conduct “teaching moments.”

    Its good to know he’s teaching them something out there.

  48. Owen

    I think we can agree that we are going to be arguing about DSJ till the end of the season or whenever he gets traded.

    He looks small to me. He looks like he’ll have injury issues. I get a less efficient Steve Francis or a pre breakout Isaiah Thomas vibe. I just don’t see him being more than a microwave type. Fun to watch and I would be thrilled if he showed up at Rucker but I don’t think he’ll be a long term asset.

  49. Ntilakilla

    I think we can agree that we are going to be arguing about him till the end of the season or whenever he gets traded.

    Please let Lebron convince Pelinka and Magic that he’s better than Lonzo Ball. Maybe he can sell them on the fact that his father isn’t a twat who will sabotage any trade with New Orleans.

  50. Z-man

    There’s no doubt that DSjr needs to work on shot selection/efficiency, bad decision-making and defense. But he’s got the toolkit to be a successful PG in this league. It’s all about what’s between the ears, coachability and work ethic. If he didn’t have significant issues, Dallas wouldn’t have traded him.

    I think a lower-middle class man’s Starbury is a good comparison for him. The key is to pump up his trade value and then deal him to a pointzz-happy GM for a lower-middle class man’s Jason Kidd.

  51. Early Bird

    Smith really needs to fix his shot and figure out how to draw more fouls. As for the passing… he did a decent job throwing the ball to the corner when the guy was open, the Knicks missed a bunch of wide open shots.

    Either way, real story is Robinson 13/10 only 3 fouls in 24 min. Dude is everywhere on defense.

  52. Bruno Almeida

    Well, this has been DSJ’s career in the NBA, he chucks, he drives to the rim and he makes mistakes. I thought he played a good game, let the kid shoot and go working with him on shot selection and court vision.

    I don’t really trust he’ll ever truly get there, but who cares, it’s not like this team would be better suited allowing anyone else to run the offense and take those shots anyway. We all know there’s no offensive system and no talent on the roster outside of a few spots, so what does it matter? At least it was a fun game to watch.

  53. Early Bird

    lol Ntilikilla trying to save face by bashing DSjr…how cute!

    Ultimately, DSJr’s numbers weren’t great, but Ntilikilla has been bashing him since before he started missing all his shots down the stretch. Clearly what we needed were more shots from Wes Matthews.

    I didn’t think DSJr’s decision making was as bad as I’ve heard. He ended up forcing some threes out of the pick and roll, a few were necessary as the clock was winding down. Still needs to make those or we need to find a different play.

    I also think the shot distribution will even out once the team gets a few more reps together. I do think the offense looked a lot better than it has all year.

  54. Ntilakilla

    @129

    LOL. C’mon man, give me more credit than that. DSJ’s game was booty and his style of play makes me gag. But outside of that I thought he was okay.

  55. Brian Cronin Post author

    I don’t really trust he’ll ever truly get there, but who cares, it’s not like this team would be better suited allowing anyone else to run the offense and take those shots anyway. We all know there’s no offensive system and no talent on the roster outside of a few spots, so what does it matter? At least it was a fun game to watch.

    Oh, absolutley, just give him the keys and let him have fun the rest of the season. Unlike Mudiay, there’s actually some upside to Smith playing well, if he turns things around.

  56. Ntilakilla

    @136

    I’m legitimately afraid that Fizdale likes Smith and wants to keep him around. Feels like Derrick Rose 2.0 here.

  57. Brian Cronin Post author

    I wouldn’t be surprised if Fizdale was a fan, but ultimately, I don’t think Perry is going to take Fizdale’s views into consideration. Or should I say that I certainly hope that Perry isn’t going to make decisions based on who Fizdale likes.

    This offseason is going to really tell us a lot about Scott Perry.

  58. thenoblefacehumper

    I’m legitimately afraid that Fizdale likes Smith and wants to keep him around. Feels like Derrick Rose 2.0 here.

    Yes, this right here, this is it. I’ll never forget when we made the catastrophic mistake of acquiring Derrick Rose when he was 21, on the second year of his rookie contract.

  59. Ntilakilla

    Yes, this right here, this is it. I’ll never forget when we made the catastrophic mistake of acquiring Derrick Rose when he was 21, on the second year of his rookie contract.

    You know what I’m talking about. We thought Derrick was going to be a temporary thing and we were a Phil Jackson firing away from him getting resigned as our starting PG.

  60. Brian Cronin Post author

    The Raptors have offered Kyle Lowry and Jonas Valanciunas to the Grizzlies for Mike Conley and Marc Gasol

    How would that make any sense for Memphis? Unless there were other picks involved. Or maybe the Grizzlies think they could then flip Lowry for something more easily than Conley? I am not understanding this at all.

    You have to love how Ujiri doesn’t fuck around at all.

  61. Z-man

    LOL. C’mon man, give me more credit than that.

    Normally I would. But since you arrived here, you have descended into the depths of buffoonery so brazenly, so petulantly, so ludicrously, and so often (especially in response to my spot-on criticism from pre-draft to present of your unfortunate chosen one) that it’s hard to give you much credit for anything.

    Check that, you deserve enormous credit for being a vegan, truly a great accomplishment, and I wish I had it in me.

    I will always endeavor to give you, and all posters here, credit when it is due, and the benefit of the doubt until it is no longer deserved. I don’t mind the back and forth all that much, but you have very little credibility with me.

  62. kevin5318

    DSJr is better than Frank no question. Problem is I’ll never have to worry about the team giving Frank 25 mill a year because pointz.

  63. Ntilakilla

    (especially in response to my spot-on criticism from pre-draft to present of your unfortunate chosen one)

    You’re really stuck on Frank in an obsessive compulsive way. I’m not even certain if anyone mentioned him before you. He’s besides the point. Because even if Ntilikina ceased to exist from all of reality, anyone with half a brain would still gag at DSJ’s style of play tonight. Tonight’s game was a perfect Rorschach test on this issue. 25 points on 24 shots. 6 assists to 5 turnovers. And somehow this grotesque abomination of a box score for an NBA starting point guard is touted here by you and others as a good game. How? I know not. I guess we’re relying on the eye test. Who knows?

    Anyways, while I do understand why you need to pivot to these ridiculous red herrings, trying to defend DSJ by attacking Frank — since they distract against legitimate criticisms of a point guard who takes too many shots, is reckless with the ball, and has a low IQ for the game — what I cannot understand is the need to personalize the issue with appeals to ad hominem attacks. You sound mad, bruh. And all over Dennis Smith Jr’s shitty box line. Wow.

  64. Ntilakilla

    You have to love how Ujiri doesn’t fuck around at all.

    Dude’s all in this season because he knows Kahwi is gone in the offseason. You’ve got to appreciate how he conducts his affairs as the GM of a small market NBA team. He understand the window is very small for championship contention with all of these large market franchises siphoning talent away and he’s going to take his shot. I wonder what the Grizzlies were thinking though. Must feel there’s a better market out there for Gasol and Conley.

  65. Ntilakilla

    Problem is I’ll never have to worry about the team giving Frank 25 mill a year because pointz.

    And to be even more specific, the problem is that DSJ is the type of high volume/sloppy player whose mistakes are consistently overlooked because puts a high volume of stats. People will emphasize his cumulative points, assists, and rebound numbers and overlook the context of his box score. He’s the type of guy entire franchises sink years into developing hoping they figure a smarter more efficient way of playing point guard only to see that he was always who he showed himself to be.

  66. Early Bird

    Except you started criticizing him when he had 23pts on 20 shots including an end of half heave, effectively 23pts on 19 shots. I don’t know if you math good, but I would take that every day from a 21 year old. You’re problem is clearly with DSJr., not with his effectiveness. Stop trolling.

  67. nicos

    How would that make any sense for Memphis? Unless there were other picks involved. Or maybe the Grizzlies think they could then flip Lowry for something more easily than Conley? I am not understanding this at all.

    I think they save about 40m because Conley just needs to play four more games this season and his 34m for 2020/21 salary becomes guaranteed whereas Lowry expires next year. Plus Valanciunas makes less than Gasol. I guess it makes them a little better short-term but I wouldn’t want to take on Conley’s contract when Kawhi is most likely going to leave.

  68. Z-man

    You’re really stuck on Frank in an obsessive compulsive way. I’m not even certain if anyone mentioned him before you. He’s besides the point. Because even if Ntilikina ceased to exist from all of reality, anyone with half a brain would still gag at DSJ’s style of play tonight. Tonight’s game was a perfect Rorschach test on this issue. 25 points on 24 shots. 6 assists to 5 turnovers. And somehow this grotesque abomination of a box score for an NBA starting point guard is touted here by you and others as a good game. How? I know not. I guess we’re relying on the eye test. Who knows?

    Anyways, while I do understand why you need to pivot to these ridiculous red herrings, trying to defend DSJ by attacking Frank — since they distract against legitimate criticisms of a point guard who takes too many shots, is reckless with the ball, and has a low IQ for the game — what I cannot understand is the need to personalize the issue with appeals to ad hominem attacks. You sound mad, bruh. And all over Dennis Smith Jr’s shitty box line. Wow.

    I rest my case.

  69. JK47

    Arguing Frank vs DSJ is like arguing which is worse, BioDome or Gigli. You can make an argument that BioDome is a better movie than Gigli but really who the fuck cares.

  70. geo

    dang, I guess tobias does have some serious value in the league…philly just gave up 2 firsts (their’s and someone elses) for him…

    bunch of other players moving…from woj:

    Sources: Clippers and Sixers have agreed to trade Tobias Harris, Boban Marjanovic, Mike Scott for Landry Shamet, Wilson Chandler, Mike Muscala, 2020 first-rounder, 2021 unprotected 1st via Miami and two second rounders.

  71. nicos

    Arguing Frank vs DSJ is like arguing which is worse, BioDome or Gigli. You can make an argument that BioDome is a better movie than Gigli but really who the fuck cares.

    Despite J’Lo’s elite athleticism, Gigli earned just 7.2m on a 75.6m budget while Biodome (though rated slightly shittier by Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic) earned 13m on a 15m budget due to Pauly Shore’s wingspan. Both were losers but one wound up being a lot costlier than the other.

  72. rama got that Fizdale Magic

    Unlike Mudiay, there’s actually some upside to Smith playing well, if he turns things around.

    That’s the core of it. I hate his game and worry he’s another sign of a FO that values pointzz, but he’s on a rookie deal! Just as with Frank, there’s no downside to playing him and trying to develop him. Mudiay, Hez…no point whatsoever, because they’re gone at the end of the year (or we have to re-sign then for market value).

  73. alsep73

    Philly now starts:

    PG – Ben Simmons
    SG – JJ Redick
    SF – Jimmy Butler
    PF – Tobias Harris
    C – Joel Embiid

    That’s something. And Woj says they intend to sign Butler and Harris long term. So this is their team now for a while? Thoughts? They paid a steep price but also got Boban.

  74. Z-man

    Well, Philly is finally all in. On paper, they’re the best team in the east, hands down. Let’s see how they gel.

    That said, the package is only slightly better than what we got for KP, who is far less certain of a proposition than Harris albeit with more upside. Sort of underscores how smart of a trade Perry/Mills made considering that Philly took a “last step” in a long rebuild towards a championship-contending team (i.e. the ideal time to overpay) and Dallas is pretty far from being a contender (not a great time to pverpay.)

  75. vincoug

    That Philly trade is crazy. Their starting line-up is loaded but they have no depth at all. I’m sure they’ll be major players on buyout market after the deadline.

    Rumor is Marc Gasol is on his way out of Memphis, apparently he was emptying his locker last night. Sounds like he’s headed to Charlotte.

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