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Friday, December 15, 2017

2017-18 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Heat

The Knicks host the Miami Heat at the Garden in a battle between the #8 and #9 seeds in the Eastern Conference.

No Frank tonight. Will we see Ron Baker?

Let’s go, Knicks!

123 comments on “2017-18 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Heat

  1. geo

    i may be losing it (actually – no maybe about it) – but, haven’t you used that same score like a dozen times…don’tcha like odd numbers :-)

  2. The Glass Half Rebuilt

    Right. Having an NBA basketball player stop his weight on your ankle means you’re made of glass.

  3. GoNyGoNyGo

    Coming from someone who has lost count on how many ankle sprains he’s had, KP could be out 4-6 weeks. That looked grade 3 to me.

  4. Stratomatic says "NY basketball is back"

    Right. Having an NBA basketball player stop his weight on your ankle means you’re made of glass.

    I knew someone was going to say that.

    Injuries always happen because of hard contact, quick moves that strain things, awkward steps etc..

    Some people get hurt practically every time something like that happens, some only when it’s extreme, and others rarely because they have stronger muscles, tendons, ligaments, and bones that resist the contact, pull, strain etc..

    This kid has already had problems with both legs, his back, his elbow, his achilles, his ankle and God knows what else we don’t know about. It’s because his body gets injured easily.

    If Lebron James got stepped on the same exact way, he would not have gotten hurt nearly as bad because he’s stronger (however bad it is).

  5. hornyKnickfan

    No seriously. KP’s been bad recently. He’s slow closing out on threes, has been chucking at low efficiency, poor rebounding. It’s been said by others on here that it looked like he already hit the wall. A few weeks off just might do him and the team some good.

  6. ClashFan

    Kind of speechless right now, just hoping that it’s just a bad sprain. What worries me is that he didn’t show any signs of being in pain. About 11 years ago I broke my elbow, and I felt no pain at all until I was in the emergency room being x-rayed, whereas every sprain I ever had hurt like hell immediately.

  7. Bruno Almeida

    Winslow was reckless and over aggressive, that’s on him, not KP. Expecting a 7’3″ dude to have Lebron like endurance and strength is seriously stupid, I’m sorry.

  8. hornyKnickfan

    I hope it’s only a short term injury but KP definitely was struggling recently.
    But yes, it sucks having to watch Beadley and Sessions right now but the team might do better short term playing the veterans.

    Plus KP can use the rest.

  9. The Glass Half Rebuilt

    In a year where we weren’t going to compete for a title KP having to sit down for an extended period of time helps the tank.

  10. Stratomatic says "NY basketball is back"

    Here’s the video of the glass breaking.

    Obviously, you do not understand the point.

  11. Bruno Almeida

    @38

    It’s at least an opportunity to treat the other nagging injuries on the elbow specially. The Knicks watchability goes down the drain tho.

  12. kevin5318

    Strato that type of play would take most guys out. I agree that he’s been fragile but lets see how bad it actually is.

  13. BigBlueAL

    Knicks say it’s a sprained ankle and that KP is available to return but can’t imagine he’ll return tonight after that sprain.

  14. Stratomatic says "NY basketball is back"

    Winslow was reckless and over aggressive, that’s on him, not KP. Expecting a 7’3? dude to have Lebron like endurance and strength is seriously stupid, I’m sorry.

    Exactly who said he should?

    I was giving an example of the other end of the spectrum I described.

    Porzingis = glass (not as bad as Rose, but constantly hurt in every area of his body)

    Lebron = granite

    Most people are in the middle

  15. BigBlueAL

    KP has been a bit injury prone but he played in 72 and 66 games the past couple of seasons and I know some of those games he missed at the end of the season that he could’ve played in so I’m not sure he is that fragile. No superstar plays in all 82 games nowadays anyway.

  16. DRed

    Anyone else bummed that both KP and Frank are both now out?

    I imagine everyone (except the fools and the haters!) is pretty bummed about that

  17. Bruno Almeida

    @48

    How many of “most people” are 7’3″? I don’t recall a single 7’3″ or taller player in the history of the NBA who didn’t have injury issues.

  18. The Glass Half Rebuilt

    Embiid and Derrick Rose are made of glass. To say a guy who has so far played in 85% of all available regular season games (that averages out to 70 games a season) is made of glass is hyperbolic at best and straight up misinformed at worst.

  19. DS

    How many of “most people” are 7’3?? I don’t recall a single 7’3? or taller player in the history of the NBA who didn’t have injury issues.

    Rik Smits resents you saying that.

  20. The Glass Half Rebuilt

    And I’m interested in the development of Kanter and Tim Hardaway Jr. on defense, and then I’m checking TH2’s efficiency. We should win this game without KP because Miami is dreadful without Whiteside.

  21. Stratomatic says "NY basketball is back"

    KP has been a bit injury prone but he played in 72 and 66 games the past couple of seasons and I know some of those games he missed at the end of the season that he could’ve played in so I’m not sure he is that fragile. No superstar plays in all 82 games nowadays anyway.

    Just this season he got hurt during the European championship and missed a week (I can’t recall the body part), he’s had an ankle issue and missed game, he’s had a back issue and missed a game, he’s had bursitis in his elbow most of the season and will need a procedure at the end of the season, and now he’s had ankle ankle turn. It also already looks like they are going to try to avoid back to back games with him when they can.

    You can always point to an “event” that causes an injury, but he’s not taking repeated hard blows that would hurt anyone (even if you want to excuse tonight’s ankle turn). His body is weak, so blows and turns that others would fight through cause damage to him.

    Big guys tend to have more problems with some body parts (like feet), but he’s going to have to get a lot stronger and flexible or we are going to see a lot of this. We are fortunate there is no ligament damage tonight.

  22. hornyKnickfan

    Beasley is hard to watch. What does Horny see in him?
    Jack is becoming more underwhelming with each passing day too.

  23. geo

    strat – have you not heard – kp has a has a personal physiotherapist named manolo…we’re goodish…

  24. DRed

    Kanter is still a seriously flawed player, but man, if you don’t have a really big dude on your roster he will fuck your team up.

  25. GoNyGoNyGo

    Seriously, that looked awful when it happened. The Knicks are fools if they put him back in. He needs RICE now.

  26. BigBlueAL

    Strat I feel you, but I guess to me injury prone is someone who misses 20+ games a year and suffers season-ending injuries. KP might be a guy who only plays 70 games a year but considering his height and the fact he is still young and gaining weight I don’t think it’s something to be worried about yet. Someone like Embiid you worry about, KP is not anywhere near that stage and hopefully never will be.

  27. cgreene

    What is so flawed about Kanter? Maybe he just get better on D. It actually happens. Maybe he’s actually a top 20 player in the NBA right now. Maybe Horny saw something or this scheme is better for him or he hated Russ. Guy is sporting a .218 ws/48, .667 TS, his assists are up, blocks are up, steals are up. What am I missing?

  28. BigBlueAL

    Since I live in Miami I have to watch the Heat broadcast cause the League Pass feed is blacked out, have they mentioned when Frank sprained his ankle? Was it during the Portland game cause I don’t remember seeing him sprain his ankle during that game unless I missed it since it was a blowout and I was flipping back and forth during the 2nd half lol.

  29. hornyKnickfan

    Might we get a Willis Reed moment to start the second half with KP walking down from the rafters to take his place on the court?
    I hope not.

  30. ClashFan

    @80
    I think they said it happened in practice.

    You don’t have the watch the Heat feed online; you can watch the Knicks…

  31. dtrickey

    @67 see post from this mornings thread:

    Noah and Dotson with nice lines in the G-League. Noah had 9pts, 5 boards, 4 assists and a block in about 22 minutes. Dotson with 23 points on 8-14 shooting. Dotson played about 40 minutes, so I doubt he will see much against Miami.

    I don’t believe that Baker played for the Westies this morning, at least I didn’t see him on the box score.

  32. BigBlueAL

    @82 All LP Heat feeds are blacked out since I live in Miami so I have to watch the local broadcast on my cable.

  33. BigBlueAL

    Nah I’d rather watch a clear broadcast on my TV than an illegal stream online. I don’t mind the Heat announcers.

  34. ClashFan

    @88
    I live in Knoxville, TN, and I get all Memphis and Atlanta games blacked out on LP. And NBA TV, too (we are cord cutters).

    During baseball season, I lose Mets games vs. the Braves and the Reds. Cincinatti is two states away…

  35. thenoblefacehumper

    Nah I’d rather watch a clear broadcast on my TV than an illegal stream online. I don’t mind the Heat announcers.

    As a fellow Miami dweller, I’ve always found the Heat guys to be pretty decent as well.

  36. Bruno Almeida

    Everytime I think of complaining about THJs contract I will remember that Waiters got a huge contract to be this terrible.

  37. Bruno Almeida

    The tank is off then?

    OKC is getting absolutely murdered by Aaron Gordon now, holy hell. 37/13/4/4/1 with 21 shots.

  38. Bruno Almeida

    @102

    I mean, it probably is, but I can’t see how this is all his fault. OKC played pretty much the same iso heavy style with Brooks and he has been a pretty decent coach with Washington. When you have 3 players who have spent a decade isoing all the time, I don’t know how much a coach can really impact them.

  39. hornyKnickfan

    Kanter knows how to work the crowd on the post game interview with Rebecca.
    Add another five million.

  40. Bruno Almeida

    At this rate, I don’t think there will be many arguments against just re-signing Kanter and committing to him long term.

  41. kevin5318

    I’m still anxious about re-signing Kanter since he’s almost unplayable at the end of games and against P&R heavy teams.

  42. The Glass Half Rebuilt

    With all the 7 foot superstars entering the league, I don’t know how heavy the league will be on P&Rs. Talent determines scheme, and we’re headed out of the Allen Iverson influenced basketball era and into the Kevin Durant influenced era. Guys like Michael Porter, Marvin Bagley, Bol Bol, Shareef O’Neal, and a few others are what the blue chip talent looks like. Just a thought.

  43. The Glass Half Rebuilt

    I badly wish the Knicks had gotten OKC’s 1st round pick this year in the Melo trade. That would have been so sweet.

  44. Bruno Almeida

    @121

    Aaaand 20 games in, the magic mark where we can now make judgments, Melo is shooting the exact same percentages as his last 3 years as a Knick, but somehow averaging even less assists. Who knew eh?

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