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Tuesday, September 16, 2014

2014 Game Thread: Knicks @ Rockets

A night after their best victory in…well, quite a while, let’s see if the Knicks can keep up their impressive play tonight in Houston against the Rockets.

Let’s go Knicks!

270 comments on “2014 Game Thread: Knicks @ Rockets

  1. Kahnzy

    As much as I’d love to be wrong, the Knicks just haven’t been a very smart team this year (my alter ego is Captain Obvious). As much as I’d love to believe that Woodson has finally figured out that Bargnani should not be playing more than 20 minutes a night, and that always switching at even the hint of a screen is a good way to get your team’s ass kicked I’ve just lost all faith in the man and one great game doesn’t restore what he’s spent over a season tarnishing.

    I’m also not sold on Shump having “broken out.” Again, love to be proven hilariously wrong here, but one does not often endure a season of suck like Shump has and then overnight turn into an all-star (it’s happened, but it’s also far more common for a bad player in the midst of a slump to have a good game every-once-in-a-while).

    JR Smith is the most maddening player the Knicks have had in a while (I said I was Captain Obvious, didn’t I?), and I swear he does this on purpose. Play like a petulant, spoiled child most games, but then just for kicks and giggles plays a game where he’s a legitimate #2 and stuffs the stat sheet in meaningful ways. JR Smith is many things, consistent is not one of them.

    Anyway, remember the Alamo and let’s go Knicks!

  2. Kahnzy

    God, I HATE that Isiah works for NBATV now. I actually get angry when I listen to the crap that comes out of that stupid mouth. Great player, piece of shit at everything else in life.

  3. maxwell_3g

    I HATE Isaiah Thomas so freakin much. He is on NBA TV tonight and they are talking about what Melo gives the Knicks, now that he is back. Of course, the resident basketball genius that ruined this franchise says that Melo gives NY a “closer”, someone that they can feed the ball to at the end of the games. sigh…………….

  4. maxwell_3g

    there are few fates worse than having to listen to the rockets’ announcers. it is homervision without the general lovability of Tommy heihnson

  5. BigBlueAL

    Yeah, tonight is definitely a night for Murry to get extended minutes at Udrih’s expense.

  6. maxwell_3g

    Drexler just announced that murray could be starting for the knicks after the all star break. does he not know about woodson??

  7. coyle022

    Shumpert looking confident, aggressive. It’s only a matter of time before he gets traded for the corpse of Pau Gasol and/or another aging overpaid former all-star.

  8. DRed

    Drexler just announced that murray could be starting for the knicks after the all star break. does he not know about woodson??

    Maybe he should be starting for the Knicks after tonight?

  9. Kahnzy

    WOW, a quick hook from Woody. Murry in for Udrih in less than 5 minutes!!

    He’s messing with us. Has to be.

  10. coyle022

    It’s a lot more fun playing 2k games with these Knicks rather than actually watching the games. Gotta love a Chris Smith- JR Smith starting backcourt with an Aldrich-STAT- Murry frontcourt

  11. Kahnzy

    does Toursanity (or the Insanity Tour) begin in earnest against Lin???

    Insanity Tour. I like it, it’s way more creative than Toursanity.

  12. maxwell_3g

    its a pretty strong indictment against D. Howard and his lack of development that I wouldrather have Bargs guarding him 2 feet from the rim than guarding Harden 25 feet from the rim

  13. KJG

    Speaking of captain obvious. Bargs gets lower when playing Howard on D… He also maintains a little distance by extending that arm, legal or not … Tyson needs to dig in a little bit .. Howard backs him down and then it’s body on body, he just feels chandlers momentum and can spin or pivot accordingly. Easy money. Bargs makes dwights moves very predictable but defendable. Dwights always predictable but when he backs down Tyson, its gonna end with easy two or foul

  14. maxwell_3g

    I don’t think they were really awful breaks, but they ended with bad finishers in the finishing positions. toure gave it the shump in a spot where I thought most players would finish but we know shump does not like finishing at the hoop right there for some reason (small hands??). on the other break, I thought JR made a decent pass, but Toure didn’t look comfortable trying to finish so he was forced to pass it back to JR in a very awkward position. probably both situations where players aren’t used to running with Toure. In other words, lets just agree to blame Woodson

  15. maxwell_3g

    if Drexler were the rockets GM, we could trade Murray for Lin, Parson, and 2 first rounders tonight

  16. DRed

    You’d think the Insanity Tour would convince Woodson to give the Cole Train minutes in lime one game, just out of curiosity

  17. coyle022

    Well. We’ve discovered Murry’s weakness. Poor free throw shooting. However that can improve with more reps

  18. maxwell_3g

    why do NBA players just instinctively foul players on the break. Lin has a 1 on 1 “break”, wiuth 2 Knicks trailing him, and Bargnani acts like Lin is Dr. J, fouling him before Lin can take off and Tomahawk dunk all over his head. YOU ARE 7 FEET TALL. HE IS JEREMY LIN!! MAN UP!!

  19. Kahnzy

    Did Drexler just say Bargnani was underrated? Man, when it comes to Clyde’s, I’m really glad we have the one we do.

  20. Nick C.

    What is with the taking a dribble to make wide open contested. Usually Bargs does it. Now Beno.

  21. Nick C.

    Credit where credit is due, Bargs did a good job on Harden last possession. I was expecting him to flop and flail like he does going to the basket.

  22. BigBlueAL

    DRed, I just did. I now take back everything negative Ive said about Udrih this season. The guy is now an All-Star in my book lol.

  23. Nick C.

    This may be a mirage, but they are enjoyable to watch for the first time since the postseason.

  24. maxwell_3g

    I thought stat was every but as bad as beno. he got abused by both d howard and t jones. no defense, no rebounding

  25. maxwell_3g

    in boston, ryan Anderson is being taken off the court in a stretcher. he seemed to be moving his arms and legs though. he has his neck stabilized

  26. maxwell_3g

    woodson is really going to stick with beno and then play him at the end, when his legs are spaghetti. I hate this man

  27. ephus

    The refs cost the Knicks two points on Melo’s shot. Should have been an “and one” not a tech.

  28. maxwell_3g

    this is going to sound crazy, but bargs and Tyson are the only ones that should cover Dwight. bargs plays him MUCH better than Stat

  29. ephus

    Yes. Bargs is a strong post defender on Howard. Howard would be much wiser to set the high pick when covered by Bargnani. Howard has a LOW basketball IQ.

  30. Stop n Pop

    Beno saving his job, making plays all over. Maybe Murry lit a fire in him with that strong start. I couldn’t believe Woodson pulled Murry, then Beno stepped on the gas.

  31. Brian Cronin Post author

    Yes. Bargs is a strong post defender on Howard. Howard would be much wiser to set the high pick when covered by Bargnani. Howard has a LOW basketball IQ.

    I think Howard is one of those rare players who I am confident in saying he has a low IQ period.

  32. Brian Cronin Post author

    It’s like Shump just decided, “Okay, I am going to be awesome now.”

    Like 2014 began and superpowers kicked in.

  33. maxwell_3g

    Im glad melo demanded the ball from Toure so that we could get such a quality shot to end the 3rd quarter.

  34. ephus

    I’ve seen Lebron, Kobe, Pierce, Garnett and Rose celebrate made baskets like Melo and never get a tech.

    Just a horrible call.

  35. maxwell_3g

    this should be interesting. I reserve the right to slam my computer on the ground if we go iso

  36. ephus

    So Bargnani can do the show and tell in the first half, and lay an egg to start the fourth quarter.

  37. Brian Cronin Post author

    Same shit as last night. Start the 4th quarter horribly with this exact same lineup.

    Woodson is one of those dudes who just loves to stick to his position unless he is forced not to.

  38. KJG

    And so they come outta time out with same lineup. And a step back two … And thats another Shit phucking call

  39. maxwell_3g

    you have 2 hot hands tonight. shump and melo. you would think you would stagger them so one would be on the court for the entire fourth

  40. Hubert

    Let’s be honest: as soon as Clyde said the Knicks need to pay attention to Garcia, we all knew JR would fail to pay attention to Garcia which would lead to a wide open 3.

    I don’t care if this team goes on a hot streak. We’re dumb. And dumb is doomed.

  41. Brian Cronin Post author

    you have 2 hot hands tonight. shump and melo. you would think you would stagger them so one would be on the court for the entire fourth

    You would think…

  42. maxwell_3g

    im still hesitant to root for the knicks. If you guaranteed me that we would not react to a win streak by trading the 2018 pick with hardaway or shump, then I would root for them. I just fear success resulting in more shortsighted moves

  43. Nick C.

    Please get Shump in. Will they be smart enough to take advantage of being in the penalty?
    Based on the mauling of Shump the refs need to cooperate.

  44. Hubert

    It is so easy to get under melo’s skin. Parsons doing a great job of convincing Melo to go hero ball.

  45. KJG

    This is the point of the game where I need to calm myself down and not let the outcome ruin my night should it not go our way.

  46. Hubert

    Clyde: “that’s the only play they need. They can’t stop the pick n roll”

    JR: takes the ball and goes ISO.

  47. Brian Cronin Post author

    For as good as some of us think Chandler is, Howard gets deep whenever he wants.

    Waiting in the paint for five seconds for the ball helps.

  48. Hubert

    JR goes ISO again, hoists long 3. Sends Harden to the line on other end.

    The man is poised to ruin everything.

    All we have to do is run the damn pick & roll.

  49. maxwell_3g

    Hubert, I disagree with the JR comment. I mean, I cant stand the fact that JR is playing down the stretch, but….his 3 was off a melo pass and was open, and the foul was BS

  50. ephus

    Here is the play. PnR with Melo as dive man. If that does not work, PnR with Chandler as dive man. Shumpert at weak side for open 3.

  51. maxwell_3g

    I hate woodson. what is the fascination with the post up of melo at the elbow down the stretch???

  52. Hubert

    He passed to Melo after dribbling the ball in place for 8 seconds. Then got the ball back. I stand by the comment.

    He shouldn’t have the ball at all right now. He has it every time.

    When he doesn’t touch the ball, we score. When he touches the ball, we don’t. It’s really that simple.

  53. Brian Cronin Post author

    Why 5 seconds. Is that new ?

    I think the claim was that the tie in came with 5 seconds.

  54. Brian Cronin Post author

    McHale should get a share of this win for sticking with Brooks the whole fourth for some reason.

    Don’t be hurt, Tyson!!!

  55. BigBlueAL

    Cant believe Knicks have a chance to steal this game. Thought after Harden put the Rockets up 5 with 2 1/2 mins left this game was over.

  56. KJG

    147. Was thinking maybe that. Just big difference between 5 and 0.8… Slow trigger from the 24 second clock guy perhaps.

  57. coyle022

    another Bargnani GIF moment. Shot clock turned off . So JR decides its a great time to shoot. way to go woodson, way to go

  58. Kahnzy

    JR Smith just pulled a Bargnani. Last year we were the oldest team in league history. This year, we might be the dumbest.

  59. Nick C.

    Tie game 43 seconds. Let’s see some smart energetic team basketball. While typing a clunky possession and then JR pulls a Bargs.

  60. Hubert

    Don’t bench him or anything tho, coach.

    Let’s see Woodson call JR out for his stupidity like he did Bargnani & Shump.

  61. coyle022

    JR is 3 for 13 thus far. It makes no sense to even have him on the court in the 4th quarter. Woodson has benched everyone else except him and Melo in situations like this.

  62. coyle022

    JR Smith everybody. Taking dumb shots with less than 24 seconds left in the game and no shot clock since 2014

  63. maxwell_3g

    I actually feel bad for udrih there. it was a good effort by him. bargs could have shot it off the rebound, but I was shocked he got the rebound, so im not going to blame him.

  64. coyle022

    Anyone have any guesses for the Woodson post-game explanation. “that’s a good shot for JR there. I mean, you can’t tell him to stop shooting those”

  65. maxwell_3g

    isaih analysis of JR’s shot was the stupidest thing I have ever heard. I think that he finally concluded that it was not a good shot, but he was very circular in his reasoning

  66. JK47

    Boo-urns.

    JR Smith should never play a minute for this team ever again. He’s the worst player in the history of the world.

  67. Brian Cronin Post author

    I actually feel bad for udrih there. it was a good effort by him. bargs could have shot it off the rebound, but I was shocked he got the rebound, so im not going to blame him.

    Yeah, I have no real complaints about the final possession besides the fact that they didn’t score. They rotated the ball well, Houston defended them well and Bargs got a huge rebound. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I’d have preferred Woody to call up a play to get a look at a three there, but besides that, they executed the play well, Shump just didn’t make the shot and Udrih had an unlucky bounce.

  68. er

    not to ease off of JR but Bargnani passed up and open 5 footer after the offensive board. Everyone looked utterly terrified to shoot on that last possession also

  69. JK47

    If this team just glued JR and Bargnani to the bench and never ever let either of them play under any circumstances, they might not be so bad.

  70. coyle022

    “I mean, Bargnani got the rebound, and JR was begging for the ball, so I decided to let it go. Joe Johnson would have hit that shot”

  71. DRed

    Losing by 2 on the road to the Rockets is nothing to be ashamed about. Losing because we don’t understand how the shot clock works-again-is shameful.

  72. KJG

    Mother phucking ouch. Thanks for the rapid heartbeat to be left with nothing. Mucho opportunity to tie. Shumps two looked unsure, too finesse but I don’t mind it … Just bad break. Then after that, bull phucking shite. Grant Hill finding a way to blame Beno for kicking it to JR … I get what he’s saying but still.

  73. maxwell_3g

    Yeah, I have no real complaints about the final possession besides the fact that they didn’t score. They rotated the ball well, Houston defended them well and Bargs got a huge rebound. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I’d have preferred Woody to call up a play to get a look at a three there, but besides that, they executed the play well, Shump just didn’t make the shot and Udrih had an unlucky bounce.

    well you are being kind. lets not forget that the ball movement included melo bouncing a cross court pass off of the bottom of the backboard. the play was that smooth

  74. ephus

    The no call on Brooks hitting Chandler was big.

    JR Smith won last night with smart play. He lost tonight with his dumb play.

    When Woodson looks at the film, he will see that he could have won the game by getting the PnR going for the last 8 minutes of the 4th quarter.

  75. Brian Cronin Post author

    not to ease off of JR but Bargnani passed up and open 5 footer after the offensive board. Everyone looked utterly terrified to shoot on that last possession also

    In that situation, though, you usually get a good look on the perimeter on rebounds like that. The Rockets just closed out really well.

  76. Frank O.

    I’m amazed that a pro team could make such basic fundamental errors.
    It’s like you hired a very expensive attorney to handle your suit, but fails to make a filing deadline…
    Amateur hour.

  77. BigBlueAL

    Talk about totally erasing any good feelings after last night’s win. Reality has set back in tonight that the Knicks are still a horrendously stupid team whose record now stands at 10-22. In other words they still suck.

  78. KJG

    Teams go years, maybe DECADES without Bargs moments… We have had TWO in the same dam season. What the hell is that!? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ?!

  79. Brian Cronin Post author

    Teams go years, maybe DECADES without Bargs moments… We have had TWO in the same dam season. What the hell is that!? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ?!

    Good point. That’s really weird/sad.

  80. coyle022

    Good luck explaining this one Woody. Will he finally call out JR? Or will Udrih receive all the blame (and deservedly so, no reason to foul there). The man is just not capable of saying anything negative about JR, but there is no excuse for this shit.

  81. Jake S.

    The reason the Knicks are so sad (well, one of the reasons) is that there’s probably like a 47-35 team buried in the of morass of this roster. It’s just really hard to win when STAT and Bargnani, two flaming dump trucks defensively, and JR Smith, potentially too stupid to live much less play professional basketball, gobble up a combined 75 minutes or so of rotation time. Throw in Woodson’s total inability to limit the damage these players cause, and you get 10-22 — presto.

  82. Brian Cronin Post author

    The reason the Knicks are so sad (well, one of the reasons) is that there’s probably like a 47-35 team buried in the of morass of this roster. It’s just really hard to win when STAT and Bargnani, two flaming dump trucks defensively, and JR Smith, potentially too stupid to live much less play professional basketball, gobble up a combined 75 minutes or so of rotation time. Throw in Woodson’s total inability to limit the damage these players cause, and you get 10-22 — presto.

    In general, I agree, but I think the 10-22 has a lot more to do with Melo and CHandler’s injuries than anything. I think they’d be under .500 with both of those guys totally healthy all year (for the reasons you mentioned), but not 10-22.

  83. JR Sec 112

    Thats being harsh to Amare. But yeah, DNPs for JR and Bargnani the rest of the year and they are probably a 6 seed.

  84. ephus

    Shumpert is a keeper. He can be a stellar 2.

    We need to find solace in small things. The big things are not coming.

  85. KJG

    At 201… I thought so too… It’s a foul small guards never get with big men… Especially at end of game. I’ve seen many little guys get blown up on the body, to no avail…I’ve always wondered why rules change based on size of player and time left in game. Oh well

  86. JR Sec 112

    Also, trading a 1st round pick for Bargnani is certainly a fire-able offence. So if it was really Grunwald’s call, good riddance.

  87. JK47

    It’s just really hard to win when STAT and Bargnani, two flaming dump trucks defensively, and JR Smith, potentially too stupid to live much less play professional basketball, gobble up a combined 75 minutes or so of rotation time

    I was about to say something similar– I mean, it is such a huge fucking handicap trying to win when JR Smith and Andrea Bargnani are eating up 25% of the available minutes. Those guys are just disastrously awful players.

  88. Brian Cronin Post author

    I still think they should have run a play to get a good look at a three for Shump at the end.

  89. Kahnzy

    I smell a good recap coming, so at least we’ll have that.

    Also, it’s hard to look at positives when your team has the 2nd worst record in the league, and is at the bottom of the worst division in the worst conference in recent memory, but I liked what I saw tonight (mostly). We tried to go iso-Melo at the end and that failed, so then we moved the ball around and actually got good looks.

    I love that Shumpert got that penultimate shot. The Knicks recognized a hot hand and went to it when it wasn’t named Carmelo Anthony.

    JR Smith is a moron, but if that shot drops he’s a hero and probably won the game. He was wide open and I imagine instinct just kicked in. I’m not defending him, as a professional you really aught to be more cognizant of tactics and strategy, but it was a really clean look at a shot he generally makes.

  90. coyle022

    first question: “Coach were you surprised JR took that last shot”

    pause

    “Yeah. yeah I was surprised. But if he makes it we’re probably not having this conversation”

  91. ephus

    Some more bad coaching. Knicks had the ball in a tie game with 39 seconds left and 15 on the shot clock. They do not get the ball up until the shot clock expires, missing the two-for-one opportunity.

    The Knicks never get the two-for-one. They are not coached to be aware of the opportunity.

    Fire Woodson.

  92. JR Sec 112

    JR was 3-12 before that shot. There is no excuse. He is an awful basketball player. In every way.

  93. BigBlueAL

    They did run a play for a Shump 3. They clearly looked for him off a screen but he took a couple of dribbles to take a 18 fter instead. Problem for me that last possession was after Bargs rebound and he kicked it back out the Knicks passed up a couple of open shots which then lead to the Udrih prayer at the buzzer. Did they still have a TO left?? Maybe shouldve called it with a few secs left instead of scrambling leading to the Udrih shot.

  94. Jake S.

    Some more bad coaching. Knicks had the ball in a tie game with 39 seconds left and 15 on the shot clock. They do not get the ball up until the shot clock expires, missing the two-for-one opportunity.

    The Knicks never get the two-for-one. They are not coached to be aware of the opportunity.

    Fire Woodson.

    Yep.

  95. coyle022

    On the Udrih shot, I could have swore it was down. This season has been a culmination of these types of moments. Melo foul on Howard under 2 min, Shumpert foul on George, Timeout -gate and Udrih not using foul, Bargnani taking the 3 against Milwaukee, and now this. Sprinkle in some more Woodson terrible game management, and you have a 10-22 record.

  96. BigBlueAL

    I will say this, it certainly has been in a weird/masochist way a very entertaining 10-22 record lol.

  97. Brian Cronin Post author

    They did run a play for a Shump 3. They clearly looked for him off a screen but he took a couple of dribbles to take a 18 fter instead. Problem for me that last possession was after Bargs rebound and he kicked it back out the Knicks passed up a couple of open shots which then lead to the Udrih prayer at the buzzer. Did they still have a TO left?? Maybe shouldve called it with a few secs left instead of scrambling leading to the Udrih shot.

    I think it was a play where he could have taken a three, but I don’t think it was specifically designed for a three.

  98. er

    221 Nah they had no more time outs. But like i said before everyone looked mortified to shoot, the nerves really kicked in. Good effort by beno

  99. maxwell_3g

    The reason the Knicks are so sad (well, one of the reasons) is that there’s probably like a 47-35 team buried in the of morass of this roster. It’s just really hard to win when STAT and Bargnani, two flaming dump trucks defensively, and JR Smith, potentially too stupid to live much less play professional basketball, gobble up a combined 75 minutes or so of rotation time. Throw in Woodson’s total inability to limit the damage these players cause, and you get 10-22 — presto.

    agreed completely. no reason we shouldnt just cut out the 4 position and put melo back there. the emergence of toure and hardaway and woodson’s love for JR should dictate that we either go with 2 pgs or 2 sg in the game, with melo at the 4. but, I know, The east is big man

  100. BigBlueAL

    OK so they were out of timeouts then. Bargs looked like he had a pretty easy putback but I cant blame him for throwing it back out because they still had plenty of time.

  101. nicos

    It wasn’t just the JR shot- Udrih fouling Aaron Brooks wasn’t the smartest play either. It’s not the worst play given how bad the Knicks defense is but giving them a free trip to the line in a tie game isn’t winning basketball.

  102. Brian Cronin Post author

    Okay, I was wrong, they did design the play to get Shump a three. But if that was the case, that was a terribly designed play.

  103. Brian Cronin Post author

    It is funny watching Trautwig defend himself over dissing graffiti. I did thing it was really odd of him to insult graffiti out of nowhere.

  104. Brian Cronin Post author

    OK so they were out of timeouts then. Bargs looked like he had a pretty easy putback but I cant blame him for throwing it back out because they still had plenty of time.

    Yeah, I think that that was the right play there. The Rockets were scrambling. They just recovered really well (Garcia, in particular, bodied Melo beautifully). Plus, of course, the other Knicks all didn’t seem to want to shoot.

  105. johnno

    Anyone else watching the post game? Chandler’s reaction when asked about the JR shot was absolutely priceless.

  106. Hubert

    Even more amazing, as is being discussed on twitter:

    That possession started w :42 out of a timeout, and we didn’t try for a 2 for 1.

    Isn’t that more stupid than JRs shot? There’s no chance Woodson thought of that; is there?

    Man, he’s dumber than JR.

  107. Brian Cronin Post author

    Anyone else watching the post game? Chandler’s reaction when asked about the JR shot was absolutely priceless.

    Yeah, that was an interesting exercise in diplomacy by a guy who isn’t experienced at diplomacy.

  108. BigBlueAL

    Isola just tweeted:

    J.R. Smith says he thought the Knicks were down 2 when he took the ill advised three. “That’s bad basketball IQ on me,” he said.

  109. JR Sec 112

    Cant blame Udrih. He’s the 3rd string point guard. He played solid. He probably expects to be the 5th option out there on the last shot. He made an aggressive move on the rebound. He hasnt been an all-star, but as 3rd PG, he’s been the least of our problems.

  110. johnno

    On another note, does anyone else remember when Dwight Howard was considered a top 5 player? He’s still pretty good, but he’s a shadow of his former self.

  111. Brian Cronin Post author

    Cant blame Udrih. He’s the 3rd string point guard. He played solid. He probably expects to be the 5th option out there on the last shot. He made an aggressive move on the rebound. He hasnt been an all-star, but as 3rd PG, he’s been the least of our problems.

    Hmmm…I mean, I don’t blame him exactly, but it was still a bad play.

  112. johnno

    Looking at the bright side, at least JR acknowledged that not knowing the score was “bad basketball IQ”

  113. coyle022

    These are real statements from another human being. “I heard Tyson saying to hold the ball but by the time I realized it the ball was already out of my hands”

  114. Brian Cronin Post author

    Looking at the bright side, at least JR acknowledged that not knowing the score was “bad basketball IQ”

    Haha, true, there is that.

  115. coyle022

    The audacity to say that he thought they were down by 2!!!!!! This is unreal. How do you not realize that the game is tied?

  116. Brian Cronin Post author

    Nope, I was right to begin with. The play was not designed for a Shump three. It was intended for Melo at the elbow. Blech.

  117. JR Sec 112

    yeah, 2nd half of January they have a 7 game homestand where theoretically all of the games now look winnable.

  118. BigBlueAL

    Whats worse about not knowing the score is that they just came out of a timeout too. I could maybe understand that if there hadnt been a stoppage of play for a minute or so but they had just called a timeout prior to that possession!!

  119. Brian Cronin Post author

    Interesting critique on the post-game about how Udrih shouldn’t have passed to JR in the first place. Why did he pass it to JR there?

  120. Brian Cronin Post author

    I dunno if I buy “The Knicks are learning the way to play now” so much as it is just Shump playing like an All-Star out of nowhere. If he didn’t play like an All-NBA player the last two gamed, they get blown out both games. I mean, I hope that he keeps it up, but I don’t think Woody’s process has changed much (besides playing Murry more).

  121. Jake S.

    BigBlueAL
    January 3, 2014 at 11:19 pm
    Whats worse about not knowing the score is that they just came out of a timeout too. I could maybe understand that if there hadnt been a stoppage of play for a minute or so but they had just called a timeout prior to that possession!!

    I’m as amused by JR as the next guy, but really, enough.

  122. nicos

    Brian Cronin
    Post author
    January 3, 2014 at 11:21 pm
    Interesting critique on the post-game about how Udrih shouldn’t have passed to JR in the first place. Why did he pass it to JR there?

    My guess is that they were probably going to repost Melo on the left side so getting the ball to the middle made sense. He also made the “hold the ball” gesture to JR as well so it’s tough to put the blame for the shot on Udrih.

  123. Brian Cronin Post author

    Oh yeah, certainly can’t blame him for the shot, but I just was surprised that he made the pass to JR at all.

  124. nicos

    One negative with Murry is that he didn’t handle Brooks’ ball pressure well at all- I’m sure he’ll get better at that over time but you have to wonder how much teams will press him if he keeps getting regular minutes.

  125. ephus

    First, JR Smith has tweeted “Bone head play! Slander well deserved!” I wish he would grow from this.

    Second, the failure to ever go for Two-for-one is a damning indictment of Woodson as coach.

    Third, Udrih is playing as well as a low budget 10 year vet PG should. He is giving far more than Baron Davis or Mike Bibby did. He is not good, but you do not get good for that money.

    Fourth, Bargnani does so many things wrong but a few things right. He deserves credit for extending the last possession with an offensive rebound.

    Fifth, how does Woodson not talk to JR about time and score during the time out at 39 seconds?

  126. Jake S.

    This. Look, we all know JR’s a knucklehead extraordinaire, but some of this HAS to fall on Woodson — either because he’s not preparing the team properly for these situations or because he doesn’t know his personnel well enough to realize what an imperative it is. He (Woodson) has been just disgraceful all year.

  127. Jake S.

    Fifth, how does Woodson not talk to JR about time and score during the time out at 39 seconds?

    This. Look, we all know JR’s a knucklehead extraordinaire, but some of this HAS to fall on Woodson — either because he’s not preparing the team properly for these situations or because he doesn’t know his personnel well enough to realize what an imperative it is. He (Woodson) has been just disgraceful all year.

    (Second time’s the charm).

  128. ruruland

    There was a time when an open JR SMITH 3 was one of the best shots in basketball.

    In Denver, Smith was such a prodigious and accurate 3-pt shooter teammates would yell “layup” when he shot one open.

    His past percentages are a bit misleading when you consider the inordinate amount of bad 3-point shots he used to take. The open 3s used to be nearly automatic.

    In a different time in his career, that would have been an overall decent shot for the Knicks. Bad because it would give the Rockets another possession, but good because it would have been a much better look than they could have generated later in the clock.

    JR has been one of the worst players in the league this year, but like with Shump, I have to think he’ll be much better at some point.

    Even so, there’s no question he’s been over-played and cost the Knicks a handful of games.

  129. ephus

    So JR Smith was Lamar Mundane come to life. He’s not the same player anymore.

    Nuke LaLoosh after the body breaks down. Ten cent head on an inconsistent body.

  130. coyle022

    Has anyone considered the possibility that this was JR, in his own way, getting even with the Knicks for cutting his brother? If so, and that’s a big if, what a JR Smith-esque move.

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