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Sunday, December 21, 2014

2013 Summer League thread: Knicks vs. Pelicans

Welcome to Las Vegas, where dreams are made and crushed, the vomit flows like wine, and basketball fanatics in the full throes of withdrawal get a brief, week-long respite in the 150-degree summer heat.

Today the Knicks will take on the New Orleans Pelicans, with tip-off expected around 4pm EST. NBATV has your live coverage. Barring that, I’m sure Prokhorov has some Georgian prisoners riding hundred-year old stationary bikes powering an illegal feed from deep inside some Siberian tin mine. Just email him.

As a side note, we’ve sent along Bob Silverman — reporter, actor, man of a thousand glasses — to cover the action, so hopefully he’ll be sending along some swell dispatches.

Click here to see a full roster list. Happy viewing!

40 comments on “2013 Summer League thread: Knicks vs. Pelicans

  1. nicos

    We haven’t even played a quarter and I’ve already seen just about all I need to see of Jeremy Tyler.

  2. EB

    Hard Jr. looks good, he’s doing most of the scoring. Shump is a godawful pg in my opinion. Has no real control over his handle just uses his athleticism to get into the lane.

  3. bockadoo

    SHUMP is NOT a point guard. Please stop forcing it! Hard away and Leslie looking nice.

  4. EB

    To clarify, Shump turned the ball over on a handoff, has stopped ball movement, gets the pick and roll and then just bullrushes his way to the basket. He looks incredibly awkward with the ball. His ceiling is a 3 and D guy.

  5. jon abbey

    this is why people shouldn’t watch summer league games, it’s like making judgments about guys after five minutes on the playground.

  6. BigBlueAL

    Been watching off and on, seen 2 Chris Smith jumpers come nowhere near going in lol.

  7. Keniman Shumpwalker

    jon abbey:
    this is why people shouldn’t watch summer league games, it’s like making judgments about guys after five minutes on the playground.

    Well, watch all you want, just don’t expect to glean much valuable information from it. It’s basketball in the middle of the summer-a junkie needs his fix-but the quality, and, more importantly, the style of play makes analysis a waste of time. All that said, yeah, I can’t see Shump ever growing into the PG role. That’s just not his skill set and that’s fine. I disagree with EB, however, in that I see 3 and D as his floor. I think he can develop the ability to score at a reasonably efficient clip in more ways than just shooting open corner 3s.

  8. er

    Keniman Shumpwalker: Well, watch all you want, just don’t expect to glean much valuable information from it. It’s basketball in the middle of the summer-a junkie needs his fix-but the quality, and, more importantly, the style of play makes analysis a waste of time. All that said, yeah, I can’t see Shump ever growing into the PG role. That’s just not his skill set and that’s fine. I disagree with EB, however, in that I see 3 and D as his floor. I think he can develop the ability to score at a reasonably efficient clip in more ways than just shooting open corner 3s.

    Right 3 and D is a guy like bruce bowen. He had no other nba skills. Shump on the other hand can shoot off the dribble and attack the rack

  9. massive

    Hardaway Jr. is looking pretty good today, as is Leslie. Jeremy Tyler is big. Shump doesn’t look engaged on either end.

  10. jon abbey

    I would agree that Shump will likely never be a primary PG, but NY likes to play two PGs, so maybe he can play some of those backup minutes and grow into the role.

    just read that Toure Murry had a triple double in one of the NBDL finals games last year, will he make our roster?

  11. jon abbey

    massive:
    Hardaway Jr is really another JR Smith lol.

    this is why they need to get Nate Robinson, so they can put those three, Melo and Bargnani out there together. :)

  12. EB

    er: Right 3 and D is a guy like bruce bowen. He had no other nba skills. Shump on the other hand can shoot off the dribble and attack the rack

    Fair enough but I don’t especially like it when Shump shoots the pull up jumper or attacks the basket. He needs to get much better at finishing when he attacks. Don’t get me wrong, I love Shump. And compared to Bowen he’s a maestro handling the ball, but I just don’t see him ever creating on his own. Against the closeout he’s fine, but I still think he looks awkward driving.

  13. Keniman Shumpwalker

    er: Right 3 and D is a guy like bruce bowen. He had no other nba skills. Shump on the other hand can shoot off the dribble and attack the rack

    Exactly. Bowen is the archetype and a player of that ilk is extremely limited (but valuable, nonetheless).

  14. EB

    jon abbey:
    this is why people shouldn’t watch summer league games, it’s like making judgments about guys after five minutes on the playground.

    Well we don’t have much else to go on and people who can’t watch asked to be given some info.

  15. bockadoo

    Leslie is quick and has a nose for the ball. It’s obvious he can play in the league. He’ll make the team and carve out a role. I hope he is coach able and works hard.

  16. Keniman Shumpwalker

    EB: Fair enough but I don’t especially like it when Shump shoots the pull up jumper or attacks the basket. He needs to get much better at finishing when he attacks. Don’t get me wrong, I love Shump. And compared to Bowen he’s a maestro handling the ball, but I just don’t see him ever creating on his own. Against the closeout he’s fine, but I still think he looks awkward driving.

    Yeah he does look awkward at times on those drives and, last year at least, he seemed to have a crisis of confidence when driving, even off of closeouts. That might have been related to the injury but who knows. He MUST improve his finishing ability around the rim and also show that he can hit that pull up jumper when it’s given to him. Will he ever be a great isolation scorer, creator, whatever? Probably not. But he can score in a multitude of ways, so solid 2-way guard with lockdown defender potential seems, to me, to be his ceiling with Bowenesque 3 and D as his floor.

  17. massive

    bockadoo:
    Leslie is quick and has a nose for the ball. It’s obvious he can play in the league. He’ll make the team and carve out a role. I hope he is coach able and works hard.

    He had a great relationship with his college coach, so he definitely is. He just needs to put on more weight, because you can’t be a front court player weighing only 200 pounds.

  18. massive

    CJ Leslie is looking like a clear first rounder. That’s how good he’s looking right now (and he was pretty good in college, too). Two first round talents for the price of one? I can’t be mad at that at all.

    I remember watching CJ Leslie this season and thinking that he’s a perfect player to put next to Melo. Maybe he develops into that in a season or two.

  19. bockadoo

    Going off the deep end on Leslie here, after 3/4 of a summer league game, but it’s just so dang refreshing to see an athlete like him on our team. A comp on him might, and I say might be a poor man’s James Worthy. How ’bout THAT!

  20. alsep73

    How has Vargas looked so far? Zwerling mentioned him and Hardaway as the clear standouts.

    Glad to hear that Leslie is hustling and looking like he belongs. Hope Tyler or one of the other bigs can start doing something interesting soon.

    Also, Artest apparently gave an interview saying he has no intention of playing anywhere in the NBA this season — including the Knicks. He’s erratic enough that this could change tomorrow, but we may need to recalibrate expectations on that roster spot.

  21. EB

    alsep73: How has Vargas looked so far? Zwerling mentioned him and Hardaway as the clear standouts

    He’s hit a good number of jumpshots and he’s at least 7 ft tall. Those are two good things.

  22. bockadoo

    Vargas has a beautiful stroke. Tyler is hustling and has talent. Murray looks interesting too. Big point guard who can shoot and play D.

  23. nicos

    Little disappointed how disinterested Shump seemed- I thought he’d be much more engaged. Also, if Leslie can figure out how to shoot at all he’ll be a rotation guy- I’d say he stands as good a chance to actually earn minutes as THJ. And finally, as bad as Tyler looked in the first half, he looked pretty good in the second- as long as you can keep him from trying to put the ball on the floor he has a chance to be decent.

  24. jon abbey

    it’s summer league, not even totally sure why he’s there. I get that they want him to try playing some point, but still.

  25. danvt

    Amazing how different basketball looks without the nice camera work. Orlando games looked like public access tv. The action looked like the early morning pickup game at my local High School.

    I like that Shump is working on his handle a little and look forward to him improving. He knows the offense and can put the guys through it. I also liked what he looked like matched up on Rivers.

    Some rough moments on offense for Jon’s beloved “Shumpy” though and for young master Hardaway as well.

  26. ruruland

    http://jackbrummet.blogspot.com/2012/02/alien-lore-no-ariel-school-ufogrey.html

    FWIW, in 1994, 62 children in rural Ruma, Zimbabwe, isolated, lacking frame of reference for social/cultural depiction of “Aliens”, simultaneously witnessed archetypal “greys,” (as investigated by Harvard researcher, psychiatrist John Mack)

    There are 15-20 multiple abductee events that are pretty hard to dispute.

    Who knows if BD is just making shit up for giggles (which would be pretty weird), but now there are a few mainstream researchers who acknowledge that there is something to alien abduction, whether it’s an actual experience with aliens or some bizarre complex adaptive false memory scenario. They’ve concluded that the memories themselves are real.

  27. bobneptune

    ruruland:
    http://jackbrummet.blogspot.com/2012/02/alien-lore-no-ariel-school-ufogrey.html

    FWIW, in 1994, 62 children in rural Ruma, Zimbabwe, isolated, lacking frame of reference for social/cultural depiction of“Aliens”, simultaneously witnessed archetypal “greys,” (as investigated by Harvard researcher, psychiatrist John Mack)

    There are 15-20 multiple abductee events that are pretty hard to dispute.

    Who knows if BD is just making shit up for giggles (which would be pretty weird), but now there are a few mainstream researchers who acknowledge that there is something to alien abduction, whether it’s an actual experience with aliens or some bizarre complex adaptive false memory scenario. They’ve concluded that the memories themselves are real.

    Listening to the audio file in the link I provided B Davis was pretty loltastic…. I’d like to have some of the shit he was smoking. I don’t think we’ll find him in the league any time soon :-)

  28. bobneptune

    Also… how does Prokorov get away with this signing of AK? He walks away from 10M a year with MN to sign for 3.1 M with the Nyets???

    There must have been some envelope passed under the table loaded with unmarked Rubles!

    We are going to find out if the league office has any integrity on this one.

  29. Unreason

    ruruland: themselves

    Holy shit man. If you have journalistic aspirations this is the kind of public statement that can have a career-limiting effect. And there are definitely no mainstream researchers who think alien abductions are actually real rather than perceived as real by those who report them.

  30. ruruland

    There are too many ways I would want to respond to that for this to be the appropriate forum for a long, multipost response.

    But briefly, in some respects I agree, others I don’t. In my opinion, truth is emergent, and knowledge is beholden to the forces of evolution just as biology. Shifts in scientific paradigms can set free new knowledge, or they can trail it, insofar as some perceive scientific truth = consensus. I think knowledge can come before mainstream scientific consensus.

    We are about to enter an age where technological/biotechnological improvements occur exponentially and in logarithmic scale, where quantum leaps in knowledge and computing power will create breakthroughs that undermine the very core paradigms from which societies operate (what is an economy with advanced 3-d printers and nano printers, why do the metaphysical, human imagined attributes of property matter in our future world?) altering the basic intrinsic properties of human biology, humanity, and therefore and more importantly, what we understand our humanity to be.

    In the short run, I’d agree there’s a small likelihood that touching on taboo subjects could potentially limit one’s long game in the corporate/conglomerate “journalism industry,” but frankly, that is going to change so much in the next decade it’s basically a moot point anyway. Business models are rapidly changing, eyeballs becoming increasingly less concentrated, and alternative/niche media where medium term profits are most likely to be made, where content is either hyper-valuable (subscription) or intertwined/disguised with external commerce.

    Besides the obvious irony that one could be black listed in journalism for making a nuetral, contextualized statement, I’d never want to participate in the corruption of journalism through topic censorship and the denial of the very sound practices that once defined it and made it key pillar to healthy society.

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