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Friday, July 25, 2014

2013 Game Preview & Thread: Knicks vs. Hawks

Prior to Wednesday’s game, we ran a roundtable discussion with your very own Kevin McElroy, as well as HawksHoop’s Bo Churney and Cole Patty. Most of what we covered in that conversation is still germane to tonight’s game, so we encourage you to check that out for some background information that will inform much of what is discussed below.

Since the roundtable was posted on Wednesday morning, each team has played two games – they squared off against each other Wednesday night (obviously), the Knicks fell to Houston on Thursday, and the Hawks beat Philadelphia in Atlanta last night. As if often the case in the NBA, especially with two teams either battling injuries or seeing players return from injuries, some things have changed over the last three days.

Lou Williams and Gustavo Ayon Return

The Hawks got two key rotation players back Friday night – Lou Williams played in his first game since tearing his ACL in January, and Gustavo Ayon returned from his pre-season shoulder injury. Ayon has been active for a week but saw his first action last night. Williams was on a strict minutes limit, but looked good in his 16 minutes of action. Along with Jeff Teague and Dennis Schröder, he gives Atlanta another quick ball-handler to attack New York’s suspect pick-and-roll defense.

Andrea Bargnani: Productive Player

Bargnani is the midst of one of the best stretches of his career, averaging 21 points and six rebounds over his last four games, but most encouragingly, is sporting a True Shooting Percentage of 63.2%. Playing him as a center next to Carmelo Anthony has provided him space in the middle of the floor to get open looks at the basket, and he’s been knocking them down. He even played good defense Thursday night against Houston, containing Dwight Howard very well. He struggled Wednesday against Atlanta however, including this play:

Paul Millsap Off The Bench

The Hawks opted to use Millsap off the bench Friday, his first time coming off the bench since the 2011-2012 season. There was no official reason for the decision, but one possible explanation was that with Lou Williams returning, coach Mike Budenholzer wanted to have a pick-and-roll partner for him on the 2nd unit. Ayon started in Millsap’s place Friday, and if he does again tonight, the Knicks will have a clear speed advantage among the starting units.

Knicks Return to Previous Trends

After opening the season struggling to knock down jump shots and turning the ball over at a high rate, the offense has reverted back to its form from last season in many ways – they’ve combined to shoot 20-for-54 (37%) from three over their last two games, and have turned the ball over just 12 times in 180 possessions (6.6%). The Hawks have had trouble defending the three-point line so far this season, ranking 27th in the league in opponents 3-point accuracy entering Friday’s games.

Foul Trouble

The Knicks’ defensive struggles over the last two games haven’t been a function of surrendering open shots. In fact, they’ve actually done a good job preventing three-point looks – they held the Hawks for 5-for-24 shooting on threes, the Rockets to just 9-for-28, just 26.9% combined over those two games. The problem the Knicks have had is allowing dribble penetration and then committing fouls as they scramble to recover. On Wednesday night, they consistently allowed Jeff Teague to get to the middle of the floor on pick-and-rolls, and he ended up shooting 14 free throws. The problem became even more of an issue Thursday night – James Harden got to the charity stripe 18 times, and Jeremy Lin and Chandler Parsons chipped in with six each. If New York wants to solve their defensive issues they need to become better at defending without fouling.

 

151 comments on “2013 Game Preview & Thread: Knicks vs. Hawks

  1. DCrockett17

    It’ll sound like I’m making this up, but I’ve been thinking for a while that NY will only go so far as Felton’s defense will allow. He’s the primary, but not the only, culprit in giving up dribble penetration. Bulldoggy though he may be, his primary limitations (i.e., average NBA athleticism for his position and short arms) doom him to being a liability. With hardly the same level of footquickness, Prigioni is so much more disruptive with his hands which generally discourages dribblers. Felton’s offense comes and goes, but his defense is pretty much never better than barely passable, and often isn’t even that.

    I genuinely like our roster–as a “dangerous” 48-52 win kind of squad–with the requisite “ifs”. If Shump stays. If we get a healthy Chandler, and if we eventually get passable bench play from Kenyon and Amare. But, we need a defensive upgrade at PG. Felton won’t kill you as a starter, but you need to play 3 PGs (and not counting JR). I like Prigs as much as anyone here, but I am leery of force-feeding him minutes. I just don’t want his body taking a pounding. I’d like to see Woody allow Murray to get some early season run. I’d like to see what he offers defensively.

    That’s probably not going to happen because we all know Woody’s likely coaching for his job.

  2. KnickfaninNJ

    The new first unit (Bargnani, Melo, Shumpert, Smith and Felton) is doing alright. I’d like to see Woody emphasize defense with is second unit. MWP, Prigioni, Martin, and Hardaway on the floor with a starter would be good.

  3. DRed

    52 wins? We’re 1-4 at home. This team ain’t winning 52 games, my friend. The east seems to suck, and we’ve got some useful pieces, so I think we can still make the playoffs, but 52 wins isn’t happening.

  4. er

    Well they have played 3 western teams. So there’s that. We haven’t played any bottomfeeders sans Milwaukee so they can win 50

  5. mokers

    I agree that Felton has been terrible, but I think overall he can be average. I think he is hampered by the hamstring, but instead of sitting it out and letting it heal, the Knicks seem content to let him play through the injury. Felton is very important on offense, especially with Chandler on the floor, but he needs to be at 100%. With JR back, we have enough backcourt options to let Felton sit and survive until he is healthy.

    I also think the biggest problem is dribble penetration. The backcourt defense is aggressive and goes for steals, but the majority of the time that means uncontested drives to the basket and lots of reach-in fouls. The focus needs to be on stopping dribble penetration and that counts for Shump and Prigs just as much as Felton.

    I was not in the fire Woodson crowd and it is still early, but the lack of defensive adjustments plus the apparent mission to grind Melo down is just inexcusible. They looked better during the Rockets, but he has to do a better job.

  6. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Crockett,

    You’re one of my favorite long-time posters, but that whole “dangerous if the parts click” thing has plagued this franchise for twelve years now. While we all talk about how good the team will be when they “gel,” we’re often overlooking the fact that nearly every middling team could say the same thing.

    “Wait ’til Josh Smith gets his stroke back. They’re going to be awesome when he and Jennings gel!”

    “Hayward is a great piece, but the team needs to gel before he really shines.”

    “Jeff Green and Avery Bradley are basically the only ones left on that Celtics team. When the new pieces gel, this team could be dangerous.”

    Unless you’re the Pacers or Spurs, you’re talking about the requisite Ifs. Even the Heat beat is harping on team chemistry and cohesion. It’s a trope in the NBA landscape, and thinking that the Knicks are the ones truly (and temporarily) underperforming is, as Mike K. said this week, something some of us have been doing since the days of Eddy Curry. It’s time (as it has been) to be realists. This team probably won’t make the playoffs, gel or not.

  7. DRed

    We’re 3-5. We have the Pythag of a 3-5 team. We have a middling offense and a bad defense. Any chance we had of winning 50 games went right out the window when Tyson broke his leg. We are playing in what looks like a shit division and I think our coach is misallocating minutes, so there’s some upside. But let’s stay realistic.

  8. JK47

    The Knicks are up to #2 in the league in turnover prevention, which is a good sign. Rebounding is awful though, both offensive and defensive. FT/FGA is also a massive problem on both sides of the ball. Are these fixable problems? I’m not so sure.

  9. BigBlueAL

    Thinking this team will miss the playoffs is more unrealistic than thinking they could still win 52 games. Hell even with SCHEONE predicting them to win 37 games in the East they still had them as the 7th seed in the East and with the way the conference has looked early on 37 wins might even get you the 6th seed for crying out loud. The Pistons, Cavs, Wizards and Nets have all sucked just as bad if not more so than the Knicks so far. I like the Knicks chances a helluva lot more to steady the ship and win 45-50 games still than any of those teams let alone teams like Philly and Charlotte who are surprising teams and are at .500 right now when they are actually playing well.

    Im down on this team too and certainly dont expect them to win 50+ games like I did pre-season but as bad as they have looked if Rose misses that final shot they would be 4-4 and after tonight’s win would be 5-4 and nobody would be panicking at all. There is a big difference between being a disappointing 45 win team and missing the playoffs entirely. Hell if the Knicks win 45 games they could very well be the 4th seed in the East.

    Having said all that if they lose tonight I will probably be ripping them and saying they will probably miss the playoffs lol.

  10. massive

    I think the offense will come around. I do agree that Raymond Felton is our biggest problem (Chandler injury notwithstanding), and the team’s insistence on playing him is frustrating as hell. I don’t like how this organization plays favorites. Start Felton and JR but trade Shump and bury Udrih on the bench. Play Kenyon Martin and Amar’e Stoudemire but bury Alrdrich on the bench. Sign Chris Smith. It’s stupid. It’s frustrating. And there’s nothing we can do about it.

    I like the way the team is starting to come together, though. We finally have a “legitimate #2 option” is Bargs (that 605 TS on a 25% usage is nothing to scoff at), but that’s not going to do us any good if we don’t have last year’s ball movement and rebounding. Hopefully the rebounding will improve when Tyson comes back, and hopefully the ball movement gets better. Melo, Bargnani, and Shumpert appear to be the only ones interested in passing, though, so I don’t believe that will be a thing this year.

    I hate that the national media is looking right this year. But hey, at least we didn’t get blown out by the Sacramento Kings, right?

  11. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    If Bargnani shoots 60% TS with a 25% USG I will eat crow until I puke. There is absolutely no way that it happens. Maybe a 0.3% chance.

  12. Jack Bauer

    I agree with DCrockett (I would insert quote but I haven’t figured that out yet), they need to stop the dribble penetration, so giving Murray some burn would be a good idea. The Goatee is probably not going for that, but he should. If Felton is hurt give him time to rest, they have Prigs & Udrih for this very reason. It is still early so I am hopeful they’ll get things figured out. AB is playing pretty well lately, at least on O.

  13. JK47

    The Knicks’ “go for steals all the time and switch everything” strategy on defense is not conducive to winning lots of games. If they keep employing the same strategy on defense they’re going to be very disappointing. You just can’t win consistently playing that way.

  14. hoolahoop

    The knicks are not going to win 52 games this season. If things go well for them, they’ll end the season a few games over .500 and a quick first round exit in the playoffs. They’re just as likely to not make the playoffs.

    When the talent was here to gel, Amare was bullied out of the game plan, and the knicks evolved more and more into an iso offense built around Melo.
    How’s that working out?

  15. Unreason

    Random pre-game thoughts:
    THJ is outperforming my pretty low expectations of him by a lot.

    AB has forced me to ignore my mother’s sage advice: “If you don’t have anything disparaging to say about Andrea Bargnani then just don’t say anything at all please thank you very much.” Watching him defeat Dwight Howard repeatedly was very very fun.

    If Woodson breaks Anthony, I’m going to leak disinformation to Rand Paul’s staffers suggesting that the brutal suppression of our right to trans fats all began with Woodson convincing Bloomberg to ban them in New York so Felton wouldn’t morph into a shape free of visible appendages. That won’t cost him his job, but living in the snarling glare of deranged t-baggers may lessen the hubris that clouds his judgment. This is my hope.

  16. JK47

    So it appears Cole Aldrich is never going to get a serious look. Too bad, since the Knicks are predictably getting demolished on the boards, ranking 24th in offensive rebounding and 26th in defensive rebounding. He’s not one of the cool kids I guess. Wouldn’t want to run a guy out there with a career line of 10.6 boards per 36 minutes…

  17. Unreason

    What happens if Chris Smith actually gets some PT? Does our way of life endure? People might exit onto 7th Ave to find it’s raining vipers and hoof beats blasting across the sky.

  18. Unreason

    As far as freeing someone from the bench goes I’d like to see if Murray can stiffen up the perimeter a bit. He might at least bring some energy they need on that end.

  19. EB

    What happens if Chris Smith actually gets some PT? Does our way of life endure? People might exit onto 7th Ave to find it’s raining vipers and hoof beats blasting across the sky.

    Maybe we will use this game to fake an injury thereby allowing us to sign Tyler. Its the only possible rationale I can come up with.

  20. Unreason

    Maybe we will use this game to fake an injury thereby allowing us to sign Tyler.

    That would be a comfort. It’s hard to imagine a lead big enough that the pleasure of it wouldn’t be spoiled by seeing Chris Smith come in.

  21. JK47

    Offense looks like complete crap. We have no real point guard and 3 of the 5 players on the floor (Melo, Bargs, Pipe) look to shoot every time they touch the ball.

  22. Kahnzy

    Knicks just play so dumb. Stupid passes and decisions every freakin possession. Should be up 10.

    Once you lower your standards, it gets better. I’m just happy we’re up and Atlanta isn’t halfway to 100 already.

  23. cgreene

    Two more annoying things.

    1) subtle bad part of Felton’s game is how long he takes to get the team into its sets on offense. Pounds the ball way too much

    2) Knicks must have worst at the rim % in the league. Why can’t they finish?

  24. JK47

    Knicks with 5 turnovers, 0-3 from 3PT, shooting 35.3% from the floor, yet the game is tied because of rebounding and free throws. Weird game so far.

  25. JK47

    I refuse to believe that Cole Aldrich could not do a better job as the backup C than Amare’s’ corpse. There’s just no possible way the guy could be as bad as Amar’e is right now.

  26. BigBlueAL

    Woodson is a genius at putting out awful lineups to start the 2nd quarter which leads to Melo having to re-enter in 3 mins to avoid the deficit getting larger.

  27. Kahnzy

    I’ll speak on behalf of the Prigi Smalls lovers. Yes, he’s still golden. Has he had some bad games lately? Yep. Do we honestly expect that to become his new normal? I don’t. Currently at PG, I rank Prigs>Felton>Udrih (though we can debate Felton and Udrih at the moment). Udrih’s defense, btw, is just as bad, if not worse, than either Prigs or Felton.

  28. Kahnzy

    At this point I think Id rather see Chris Smith in the game than his brother.

    Whoa there. Just stop and think for a second about what you just said.

  29. BigBlueAL

    Last season any time the Knicks had a great sequence that led to a wide open 3pter that wouldve brought the house down it was almost automatic it was going in, this season its always a brick.

  30. nicos

    With Prigs- it’s pretty tough to play point guard when you rarely go below the free throw line and hardly ever shoot.

  31. Kahnzy

    At this point I think Id rather see Chris Smith in the game than his brother.

    Whoa there. Just stop and think for a second about what you just said.

    Alright…maybe you’re right. But let’s compromise, let’s just have Smith sit in a corner and play 4-on-5.

  32. JK47

    JR is fast moving up the list of my all-time least favorite Knicks. He is just an unbelievably stupid player and person.

  33. BigBlueAL

    Its getting to the point where Im beginning to hope the Knicks continue to lose at home so maybe it pisses Dolan off so much he fires Woodson. Of course that would probably lead to Isiah being re-hired as head coach.

  34. Will the Thrill

    What the hell happened to Shumpert? He doesn’t look good at anything anymore, even on defense.

  35. cgreene

    So was that last 3 minutes the opposite of the hot hand strategy whereby JR Smith is playing so badly that we ride him and have him run each possession to see if it can get worse? Because it did. Can someone ANYONE please explain to me why the head coach of a basketball team could allow that to continue to go on?

  36. er

    So on Atlantas feed Dominique Wilkins is absolutely killing JR. You know it’s bad when the opposite color guy is harping on it

  37. dtrickey

    JR needs to sit for a bit. He’s not in rhythm and he’s hurting more than helping (I win most obvious quote on the thread!). Frustrating thing about JR is that he can just as easily get hot. He’s is the catch 22 of players. Wouldn’t mind seeing Murry get some burn, at the very least help on the perimeter D.

  38. cgreene

    The ironic thing about Woodson is that he talked about accountability and he holds his players the least accountable of any coach I’ve seen. At least D’Antoni put Nate in the doghouse when he played like an idiot. And you know it’s gotten bad when I praise MDA because I hated him his last 2 years here.

  39. BigBlueAL

    Plus young players actually improved under MDA. Woodson has destroyed Shump if you believe Marc Berman who has written about how bad their relationship has gotten.

  40. JK47

    JR is just untouchable on this team. It’s because he’s a degenerate loser like James Dolan. He represents this Knicks squad so perfectly.

  41. Will the Thrill

    This JR thing is so ridiculous its funny. We cater to him like he’s Lebron James and he is not even a net positive on the team lol.

  42. cgreene

    Yes, Al, the organization as a whole but mostly Woodson have destroyed Shumpert and not developed him. The funny thing is that if you want to trade a guy then you think you would talk him up and get him to play well and improve his value. But if you’re the Knicks you telegraph that your trying to trade him, fuck with his head, get him to play worse and then bite at the first shitty deal that comes along. It’s at the point where Denver walked away from a straight up trade for Faried which none of us would have wanted going into the season.

  43. dtrickey

    Is anyone else watching this game on League Pass? These ads are ridiculous!! I don’t mind playing ads in timeouts, but they have seriously played the same ad 15 times in a row over the past 2 timeouts.

  44. cgreene

    Terrible substitution by Woodson taking out Bargs there. He and Melo are the only guys playing half way decent

  45. Donnie Walsh

    Wtf! I just caught a few minutes of the game on NBATV… How can the league allow both teams to wear the same color?? That’s the worst idea ever.

  46. Jack Bauer

    Earth to Woodson, Earth to Woodson – start thinking before you substitute……do you read Woodson?? Come in Woodson

  47. JK47

    Anybody think the Knicks are gonna get it together and rally for a win in the 4th? Because I sure don’t.

  48. JK47

    In Woodson’s defense, there aren’t many lineup combinations you can run out there with this roster that AREN’T shitty.

  49. Frank O.

    So the Knicks needed to bolster their front court?
    It feels like they should fire their entire back court.
    Felton, Prigs, And JR have been terrible.
    Offense and defense by the back court is bad, generally.

  50. JK47

    When this Knicks team falls behind, it’s like the game is over, because they can’t get stops. Mediocre offense, terrible defense is what this team plays.

  51. JK47

    JR from 3. Brick. Felton from 3. Barely catches iron.

    This lineup, with Bargs and Stat both in there, should put the final nail in the coffin of this game in no time at all.

  52. Donnie Walsh

    Oh, crap! Now Isiah is in the NBATV studio talking about how great isolations are. (this is even worse than watching the actual Knick game!)

  53. JK47

    In terms of SRS, the Knicks were already one of the worst teams in the NBA coming into this game, and this game will make them one of the absolute worst.

  54. BigBlueAL

    There is no way after this game Dolan doesnt do something crazy. Anything from firing Woodson to giving him a 5 yr extension is possible.

  55. Frank O.

    Wow. Crushed by the Hawks, at home.
    Woodson seems lost, and the team seems lost.
    Maybe time for a change.

  56. JK47

    The only thing this game needs is a Pipe/Lil’ Pipe backcourt for the last three minutes. That would enshrine it in the pantheon.

  57. cgreene

    Here’s the story that typifies the organization that is the Knicks. They force MDA to hire a defensive “guru” and they end up with Mike Woodson who by any measure was a terrible defensive coach in Atlanta. So they bring in a terrible defensive coach to shore up the defense.

  58. JK47

    If Woodson is canned who should they get? Who will they get? Thoughts?

    My guesses look something like this:
    -JR Smith’s dad
    -Toronto mayor Rob Ford
    -Isiah Thomas
    -World Wide Wes

  59. Kahnzy

    If Woodson is canned who should they get? Who will they get? Thoughts?

    I hear Lionel Hollins is still looking for a head coaching job.

  60. llcoolbp

    If this ship sinks I want everyone to drown. Let’s hope they miss the playoffs and the 2014 pick turns into a top 3. I want the billion dollar msg to turn into a ghost town. Let Dolan bleed!

  61. BigBlueAL

    Best coaches available are both Van Gundy brothers but there aint a chance in hell either one would be hired. Although JVG over the summer did say his biggest regret was quitting as Knicks head coach and he has always spoken well of Dolan. Cant imagine he would be re-hired but one can dream.

  62. JK47

    You know what? Jeff Van Gundy would actually probably make this team into a straight-up winner. He’d play all of the team’s best defenders and let everybody else sit on the bench to rot. And they would probably play some damn good defense, and get enough scoring to win some games.

    But of course it won’t happen, because we can’t have nice things.

  63. DRed

    Those of you that still think this team is wining 50 games-what are you seeing that I’m missing? I see a pretty shitty basketball team that deserves to be 3-6.

  64. Bruno Almeida

    Why don’t we have Ayon at the end of our bench, he can at least run a pick and roll….

    because signing Chris Smith to a guaranteed contract was really a good move from a very insightful front office.

    seriously, this team is not good and god forbid Melo gets injured with the absurd mpg he’s got right now… if he misses about 15-20 games this season this is a lottery team… Melo is averaging 41 mpg, this is so incredibly stupid.

    if J.R Smith keeps playing 30 minutes a game I’ll probably commit suicide by the end of the season, a guy shooting 25% on field goals is playing 31 minutes a game.

    Woodson obviously needs to go, but the issues are far deeper… you can hire Phil Jackson if you want, but nobody is going to make this terribly constructed roster to play defense… the offense will get better, but the defense might even get worse with Melo exhausted from all the minutes and the offensive burden he has to carry.

  65. Owen

    Man, some line from Mack too. Remember him from Butler. 12 assists and one turnover.

    I like the way the Hawks run their offense. Spursian for sure….

  66. Bruno Almeida

    I like the way the Hawks run their offense. Spursian for sure…

    I bet Hawks fans were watching this game and feeling very lucky that Woodson is no longer there.

  67. marechal

    Woodson thinks the reason the Knicks lost is because “they played harder than us”. Sure, this can be PR BS, but still shows a remarkable lack of understanding of the game that was just played.

  68. Bruno Almeida

    Woodson thinks the reason the Knicks lost is because “they played harder than us”. Sure, this can be PR BS, but still shows a remarkable lack of understanding of the game that was just played.

    well, a lot of people on this very forum were saying that the loss last night was the referees’ fault, ignoring the basic facts that were the reason for this defeat against the Hawks… it was the same thing all over again, except from the fact that Melo is a human being and he obviously won’t get many back to back 45/10 games.

  69. DRed

    This idiot played JR 36 minutes while he scored 7 points on 18 motherfucking shots, and he claims the Hawks won because they played harder? Do even the idiots who get their sports news from the Post believe that?

    Also, another great night from Jowles the lesser. Any time you get a prodigious neophyte who can fill it up to the tune of 8 points on 7 shots and one whole rebound , you’d be stupid to not play him 22 minutes. That’s 58 backcourt minutes of horrible basketball. Why not try Toure? And the big moron in charge is actually trying to trade Shumpert because he’s got such depth at the guard positions. It’s mind boggling.

  70. EB

    , another great night from Jowles the lesser. Any time you get a prodigious neophyte who can fill it up to the tune of 8 points on 7 shots and one whole rebound , you’d be stupid to not play him 22 minutes.

    Well that translates to a .571 TS% which I would take in a heartbeat not to mention the 3 ast he had. But I guess that conflicts with whatever narrative you have of him.

  71. Bruno Almeida

    Well that translates to a .571 TS% which I would take in a heartbeat not to mention the 3 ast he had. But I guess that conflicts with whatever narrative you have of him.

    I’d rather have Hardaway shooting 19 a game than watching J.R and his stupid and tired act, at least he’s still young and might develop more brain cells than J.R will ever have.

  72. Kahnzy

    If you’d have told me Bargs would be one of the few players I’m happy with (happy being very relative here) 9 games in, I’d have said you were crazy.

  73. hoolahoop

    I believe the amount of energy a team brings to the game is a big determinant of who wins. Woodson’s admission that the knicks’ energy did not match that of the Hawks’ was admittedly, an indictment against himself. In that respect, I give him credit for taking responsibility.

  74. DRed

    Well that translates to a .571 TS% which I would take in a heartbeat not to mention the 3 ast he had. But I guess that conflicts with whatever narrative you have of him.

    He sucks on defense and doesn’t rebound-so he needs to do more than score at a mildly efficient level to be a good player. That’s my narrative. He’s like a poor man’s Bargnani at SG. The point of the story is for the Knicks to win games. I’m sorry-are you somehow personally offended that he’s not a good NBA player yet? Playing mini-jowles for 22 minutes a night is bleeding wins for the Knicks. I’d like us to win. He’d might turn into a good NBA player down the road, but he’s not one now, so I’d prefer he didn’t play.

  75. DRed

    I mean, do you think the Knicks keep losing this year because of my narrative? I want this team to win, but they’re not very good right now.

  76. Kahnzy

    He sucks on defense and doesn’t rebound-so he needs to do more than score at a mildly efficient level to be a good player. That’s my narrative. He’s like a poor man’s Bargnani at SG. The point of the story is for the Knicks to win games. I’m sorry-are you somehow personally offended that he’s not a good NBA player yet? Playing mini-jowles for 22 minutes a night is bleeding wins for the Knicks. I’d like us to win. He’d might turn into a good NBA player down the road, but he’s not one now, so I’d prefer he didn’t play.

    The guy has played exactly 9 games in his professional career. He was the 24th pick…what exactly do you expect from a 24th pick 9 games in? Whatever it is, it certainly seems to be unreasonable. Further, assert that that loss was due to Hardaway; it wasn’t. Play him 0 minutes and we still lose that game. We lost that game not because Hardaway sucks at defense, but because the entire team sucks as defense. Pinning this on Hardaway is just looking for an easy scapegoat.

  77. DRed

    I’m not pinning the loss on Hardaway. I also don’t expect anything from the 24th pick in the draft 9 games into his career. I just don’t understand why he’s playing so much. I’m complaining about the shitty coaching, not Hardaway.

  78. EB

    When our backcourt includes a sg who goes 3-18, a pg who played 15 min and had 0 ast, and a Raymond Felton who has a TS% around .450 then I don’t really see a problem with Hardaway playing 22 min. Hardaway shot well and put up a good line tonight. Complaining about him is like complaining about not having toenail clippers in a nazi concentration camp. And I was specifically showing how the points you made were biased.

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