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Friday, July 25, 2014

2013 Game Thread: Knicks @ Warriors

The Knicks will get a chance to go two for two against Steph Curry and the Warriors tonight in Oakland, only this time around they’ll apparently have Carmelo Anthony back in uniform (the Warriors will also have David Lee back).

Curry went off on the Knicks last time around, and you better believe that the Knick backcourt will bend over backwards to keep that from happening again tonight.

Glad to see Melo back. Hopefully he’s healthy! A tough 5-game road trip begins tonight, let’s hope that the Knicks go 3-2 on the trip.

Let’s go Knicks!

127 comments on “2013 Game Thread: Knicks @ Warriors

  1. d-mar

    Huge game tonight, get this one and we really only have to win one of the next four to make it a decent trip

  2. Jp

    I expect knicks defense to set the tone early on. If thy get stingy like they did in utah we might get 3 games on this trip.

  3. BigBlueAL

    Holy crap, not only is NBALP showing both broadcasts, the MSG broadcast is the one in HD!! This is stunning, NBALP hardly ever shows MSG broadcasts even when they are the home team. So not only do we get the MSG broadcast but in HD as well is beyond shocking.

  4. Glew

    which games are people generally conceding if we go 3-2, @den and @lac? I think the denver game very winnable. The guys seem to already be revving up for that one from the interviews i have seen. I suppose @por could be tough

  5. d-mar

    Knicks have always had a problem with perimeter defense and getting over screens. But not to worry, that shouldn’t be a problem against the Warriors.

  6. AnonymousODG

    … why is our 3pt defense terrible? You’d think we’d know how to defend it considering how often we see it used against us effectively.

  7. mr.JayP

    Will the Thrill:
    Woodson refuses to play Copeland because of defense but he continues to play Novak

    Idk how he expects him to develop with such a small sample size of minutes.

    I think his reasoning is B.s., he probably just doesn’t want to play the “Rookie”

  8. Garson

    Kidd has magical hands… Was outsized and put positioned for a layup and knocks it out without a foul. Also heard he Dominates rock paper scissors

  9. BigBlueAL

    Garson:
    Kidd has magical hands… Was outsized and put positioned for a layup and knocks it out without a foul. Also heard he Dominates rock paper scissors

    Reminds me alot of Derek Harper who also had amazing hands on D.

  10. BigBlueAL

    The way the Knicks look tonight they will have a hard time losing by less than 20 pts in Denver.

  11. d-mar

    Ok, I guess some of you guys were right, we can get offense from other places with STAT gone…not.

  12. AnonymousODG

    Good lord, Felton. That’s indisputably the worst defensive play this season and, perhaps, in Knicks history.

  13. BigBlueAL

    I was cautiously optimistic heading into this road trip, now Im dreading the rest of this trip. They look awful tonight, just awful. Problem is this is supposed to be one of the easier games on this trip. Also Melo looks horrible tonight, looks like he shouldnt be playing. Hopefully he is just stiff and his knee loosens up in the 2nd half but if not he really shouldnt be playing if he is going to look like this.

  14. johnlocke

    Carmelo cannot guard David Lee and he’s off on the offensive end. Too much doubling. Play Melo at the 3 and stop doubling. Put Kenyon on David Lee. Felton, Shump, Melo, Kenyon, Chandler to start the 2nd half

  15. sidestep

    Curry is a weakling, and poor defender. Knicks should make him work by running 1-5 PnRs on him.

  16. johnlocke

    Lucky to only be down 15.
    Everyone’s cold.
    Melo has been a net negative so far.
    If Woody doesn’t make an adjustment with Melo on Lee to start the 2nd half, I’ll be really disappointed in his coaching

  17. llcoolbp

    I’m just getting sick of the 2 point guard/3 guards lineup. Especially when it’s j Kidd, shump and white. None of those guys can shoot. Thrown in a cold melo and it negates his advantage at PF. This team has basically been .500 for the past 3 months. It’s time to go back to a conventional lineup. You can still have JR coming off the bench for scoring purposes. Woodson needs to adjust. Enough is enough.

  18. AnonymousODG

    Not the first time we’ve been down by 15-20 at the half. It’s down to playing tight defense and crashing the boards in the second half.

    The maddening thing is, that’s what it comes down to in the first half also! Why do the always insist on coming out like limp-d1cked cunts to start the game? The more it happens the more pathetic it becomes. It’s just not even basketball.

  19. llcoolbp

    If its not Tyson, Kmart, melo, shump, and Felton at the start of the second half, then Woodson needs to be fired after this game. The guy is a moron.

  20. llcoolbp

    It’s already established that the heavy minutes and having to bang with pf’s every game is taking its toll on melo. So in his first game back he has to guard and bang with David lee, who you know is relishing sticking it to the Knicks. It’s just bad coaching. Put a bruiser like Kmart up front. Protect melo. Let him punish smaller players. It’s not rocket science.

  21. lavor postell

    Yeah Woodson is coaching like a fucking dumb shit. Why is Thomas getting minutes over Camby. Also I’m just going to come out and say that Tyson Chandler’s defensive reputation this year is a complete and utter farce. Notice how the only time we looked capable of stopping Golden State is when Martin was on the floor. Honestly it might sound stupid, but Kenyon’s constant talking on the defensive end is huge and is something that really impressed me about Chandler last year. I don’t think he’s been nearly as vocal when orchestrating the defense this season.

  22. mr.JayP

    Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the Atlanta Knicks. Or the New York hawks. W.e floats ur boat.

  23. lavor postell

    This is seriously pathetic. Why does this team have zero sense of urgency in what is the make or break point of the season? Is there a reason why we’ve barely run any high pNr with Chandler? Outside of Kidd, Martin and Shumpert the rest of the guys might as well have just flown from New York to Denver and bypassed the trip to Oakland.

  24. johnlocke

    +1. His inability to guard Lee coupled with lots of shooting and very little making has hurt the team, not helped. It’s like everyone relaxed b/c Melo came back…

    Brian Cronin:
    While I appreciate Melo’s grit, he really probably should not have played tonight.

  25. johnlocke

    Hey we can’t make any shots….down 24 Woody thinks about putting in copeland? WTF is wrong w/ this guy

  26. johnlocke

    Woodson…btw …take Melo out of the game before he gets hurt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  27. maxwell_3g

    johnlocke:
    Woodson…btw …take Melo out of the game before he gets hurt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    if melo cant play then he shouldnt have suited up. if you play, you are healthy. im postiive that melo’s pt is more dictated by melo than woody at this point. dont see how this is really woodson’s fault (we have plenty of other things to blame him for)

  28. lavor postell

    Seriously is Woodson fucking stupid? Melo has no business playing right now. I’m wondering who Camby and Copeland killed that he refuses to play these guys in lieu of the corpse of Kurt Thomas and James White.

  29. mr.JayP

    BigBlueAL:
    If you think tonight is bad, I genuinely fear a much worse game on Wed.

    That was the exact same thought running through my head. Denver WILL run us out that gym. Believe that.

  30. AnonymousODG

    Prig, Kidd, Novak, Copeland and KMart. Well we got we’ve been hollering for. Let’s see how it works out.

  31. Will the Thrill

    Seriously, how the fuck has Copeland not gotten into some games? Woodson is horrendous.

  32. mr.JayP

    Cope with a half way decent move. Imma be upset if cope has another decent game with limited minutes.

  33. BigBlueAL

    mr.JayP: That was the exact same thought running through my head. Denver WILL run us out that gym. Believe that.

    They will be motivated to embarrass the Knicks and are more than capable of doing so playing in Denver. Only positive about this ass-whooping is it should at the least have the Knicks determined to play alot better on Wed.

    But if this is the way Melo is going to look on Wed health-wise he should seriously think about sitting not just that game but the rest of the trip if necessary.

  34. lavor postell

    I don’t see the Knicks getting their asses kicked in Denver. It’s fairly obvious that in the games they actually get up for we are always competitive.

  35. johnlocke

    He had to have been caught banging mrs. woody. no other explanation.

    maxwell_3g:
    seriously, what does cope need to do to get novak’s minutes???

  36. mr.JayP

    BigBlueAL: They will be motivated to embarrass the Knicks and are more than capable of doing so playing in Denver.Only positive about this ass-whooping is it should at the least have the Knicks determined to play alot better on Wed.

    But if this is the way Melo is going to look on Wed health-wise he should seriously think about sitting not just that game but the rest of the trip if necessary.

    My only problem is how many ass whoopings do we need in order to play with heart consistently ?

    Idk I just don’t like the personality and demeanor of this squad. Curry lit us up and single handily got a hair away from stealing one. You would think we would be up for this game.

    And I keep saying, Woodson is not the coach that can get us out of the 2nd round. Let alone an ECF win.

  37. johnlocke

    it’s clear to anyone with two eyes he has no lift and his dragging his body around the court. the game is over, no reason to have him in there. Woody hopefully pulled him for good.

    maxwell_3g: if melo cant play then he shouldnt have suited up.if you play, you are healthy. im postiive that melo’s pt is more dictated by melo than woody at this point.dont see how this is really woodson’s fault (we have plenty of other things to blame him for)

  38. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, the only way I see them not playing Denver tougher on Wednesday is if Melo is in as poor health then as he clearly is tonight. I really can’t believe he played tonight. Dude looks like he has nothing.

  39. AnonymousODG

    What is wrong with KMart finishing at the basket? With his garbage free throw shooting, people are just going to be fouling him left and right at the basket.

  40. lavor postell

    How big of a boner does Breen get when he gets a chance to talk about David Lee. I really can’t stand Breen outside of his patented “Bang” which I unfortunately must admit I enjoy.

  41. BigBlueAL

    lavor postell:
    How big of a boner does Breen get when he gets a chance to talk about David Lee.I really can’t stand Breen outside of his patented “Bang” which I unfortunately must admit I enjoy.

    I also enjoy “Puts it in!!”

  42. AnonymousODG

    Woodson brought Melo back out. And NYK fandom just spontaneously vomit-shat themselves out of disgust.

  43. lavor postell

    maxwell_3g:
    breen really thought that should have been a charge??? c’mon man!!

    This is why I hate Breen. He almost seems like he is rooting against the Knicks half the time.

  44. AnonymousODG

    Copeland making a compelling case for him to continue bench warming. NYK fandom simultaneously wrenches foot out of mouth but refuses to apologize to Woodson just on principle.

  45. mr.JayP

    AnonymousODG:
    Copeland making a compelling case for him to continue bench warming.NYK fandom simultaneously wrenches foot out of mouth but refuses to apologize to Woodson just on principle.

    Is copeland making these errors because he’s anxious and trying to do too much ? Or because his game is fundementally flawed ?

    I think he’s just anxious. And with real game time he can become a way better bench player then Kurt or White combined.

  46. maxwell_3g

    AnonymousODG:
    Copeland making a compelling case for him to continue bench warming.NYK fandom simultaneously wrenches foot out of mouth but refuses to apologize to Woodson just on principle.

    15 points an 6 rebs in 16 minutes. yeah, hes just been awful

  47. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, one area I really can’t give Woody too much shit over is his not playing Copeland. Copeland has some skills, but A. he can’t defend at all and B. when he is given extended minutes he tends to fall apart offensively because he tries to do too much and B. he can’t do anything against good defenses. Novak also tends to get shut down by good defenses, but it tends to be because they make a point of shutting him down. They at least respect him enough to specifically exert effort to shut him down and there is some benefit there. Plus, Novak at least does have some success against good teams (and definitely plays well against bad teams).

    Literally all of Copeland’s best games have come in blowouts (one of them was a blowout that was almost turned into a Knick win against Sacto).

  48. AnonymousODG

    I’d much rather have Thomas or White out there. I don’t know why White isn’t out there right now in place of Shump.

  49. Brian Cronin

    Sorry, Cope’s fourth best game actually was in a close game against Phoenix (the one JR won at the buzzer). But yeah, almost all of his best games came in blowouts.

  50. maxwell_3g

    Brian Cronin:
    Yeah, one area I really can’t give Woody too much shit over is his not playing Copeland. Copeland has some skills, but A. he can’t defend at all and B. when he is given extended minutes he tends to fall apart offensively and B. he can’t do anything against good defenses. Novak also tends to get shut down by good defenses, but it tends to be because they make a point of shutting him down. They at least respect him enough to specifically exert effort to shut him down and there is some benefit there. Plus, Novak at least does have some success against good teams (and definitely plays well against bad teams).

    these seem to be some pretty broad assessments of copeland’s game considering a) he never gets to play, and b) he never gets to play

  51. AnonymousODG

    maxwell_3g:
    copeland’s d is far from great but it is clearly a level better than novak

    maxwell_3g: 15 points an 6 rebs in 16 minutes.yeah, hes just been awful

    Anybody trying to make a case for Copeland’s performance right now is just mad at themselves. I won’t even bother dignifying this with a response. His minutes speak for themselves.

    White and Thomas got ignored, even with their good start against the Jazz where they helped set the pace (which nobody seems to remember happened).

  52. maxwell_3g

    Brian Cronin:
    Sorry, Cope’s fourth best game actually was in a close game against Phoenix (the one JR won at the buzzer). But yeah, almost all of his best games came in blowouts.

    dude, they lost the sactown game on a buzzer beater. he sparked the comeback. how was that a “blowout”. also, if the coach only puts you in during blowouts, chances are that your best games will come in blowouts

  53. Brian Cronin

    dude, they lost the sactown game on a buzzer beater. he sparked the comeback. how was that a “blowout”. also, if the coach only puts you in during blowouts, chances are that your best games will come in blowouts

    They were down 25. That’s a blowout. As I noted, that was a blowout that he helped turn into a close game, though.

    His play in the blowouts certainly dictated him getting more burn in non-blowouts and Woody gave him some and he was terrible in them. He’s clearly talented enough to stick around on the roster but he does not appear ready to contribute on a regular basis.

  54. AnonymousODG

    BigBlueAL:
    Fact is none of Cope/White/Thomas should ever see the floor unless its a blowout.

    I’m flabbergasted White and Thomas are mentioned in the same breath as Copeland. Neither White nor Thomas look like complete a$$clowns on defense when they’re out there. And their shooting isn’t exactly that much worse than a lot of our guys, especially with team performances like tonight.

    I expect a Thomas/White mid-range jumper to go down with as much reliability as I do a Kidd/Prig 3 pt’er these days. Come to me and tell me you think different and I will laugh in your face. Frankly, I’m detecting an undercurrent of misplaced resentment over Thomas and White taking STAT’s and JR’s roles in the starting lineup. But it’s both unnecessary and moot at this point.

  55. Seba

    Have to admit we’re grasping at straws with the hope of Cope contributing. He did have 15 points and 6 boards in 19 minutes… along with 5 fouls and 4 turnovers, and is habitually hopelessly lost on defense. I have a soft spot for the guy, given he obviously worked his ass off to get to the NBA, but he does not seem ready to really contribute. There’s no miracle coming from our bench this year guys…

  56. AnonymousODG

    The most dispiriting thing tonight for me was KMart’s inability to contribute offensively despite four (five?) perfectly placed feeds.

  57. Brian Cronin

    I’m flabbergasted White and Thomas are mentioned in the same breath as Copeland. Neither White nor Thomas look like complete a$$clowns on defense when they’re out there. And their shooting isn’t exactly that much worse than a lot of our guys, especially with team performances like tonight.

    I expect a Thomas/White mid-range jumper to go down with as much reliability as I do a Kidd/Prig 3 pt’er these days. Come to me and tell me you think different and I will laugh in your face. Frankly, I’m detecting an undercurrent of misplaced resentment over Thomas and White taking STAT’s and JR’s roles in the starting lineup. But it’s both unnecessary and moot at this point.

    They’re both better than Copeland, definitely agreed, but neither of them should be part of the rotation either.

  58. ruruland

    AnonymousODG:
    The most dispiriting thing tonight for me was KMart’s inability to contribute offensively despite four (five?) perfectly placed feeds.

    Doesn’t have his legs yet. He’ll finish those eventually.

  59. AnonymousODG

    ruruland: Doesn’t have his legs yet. He’ll finish those eventually.

    I was unaware that cyborg technology had made it to the open market.

  60. mr.JayP

    While I agree that we are grabbing at straws at this point arguing about cope/white/Kurt.

    But by just looking at their stats cope is scoring more while shooting under .500 from the field in this season

    Can anyone dig up some stats that would suggest white n Kurt are better alternatives ?

  61. Brian Cronin

    White and Thomas are capable defenders. Copeland is an awful defender. When it comes to back-of-the-rotation guys, I think defense is more important than offensive efficiency. Of the three, though, Copeland is the only one I could see developing into a rotation-level guy.

  62. mr.JayP

    Brian Cronin:
    White and Thomas are capable defenders. Copeland is an awful defender. When it comes to back-of-the-rotation guys, I think defense is more important than offensive efficiency. Of the three, though, Copeland is the only one I could see developing into a rotation-level guy.

    And that’s my point. He CAN develop into a decent rotational player. His pro’s out weigh his con’s and at this point it’s clear we need help offensively, especially on the 2nd unit without stat.

  63. maxwell_3g

    Brian Cronin:
    I just don’t see the development coming this season, though. Next year, hopefully, but he’s just not ready yet.

    so your solution is to cling to the hope of kurt and white, because they have a better chance kf getting us to a title this year??? this just in, if white and kurt are playing minutes of any significance, it aint happening. we might as well hope copeland gets time and improves before the playoffs

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