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Saturday, November 22, 2014

2013 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Grizzlies

So far, so good!

Let’s see them keep this up as the first half ends and then pull away even further in the second half!

Let’s go Knicks!

125 comments on “2013 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Grizzlies

  1. AnonymousODG

    I am very encouraged with seeing Novak box out better. Also glad to see Prig back after that wrist pain sidelined him. Also, the only thing worse than seeing an overconfident, out-of-control JR jack up silly shots is seeing an overconfident, out-of-control Novak jack up silly shots.

  2. AnonymousODG

    I sometimes forget how strong Melo is. Pretty amazing that Z-Bo is having such issues posting up.

  3. mr.JayP

    its borderline magical when the knicks move the ball lol. gotta love the fluidity of that last play.

  4. ruruland

    massive: I’d say now.

    I’d like for the Heat to keep this winning streak as long as possibly. There is emotional/mental/physical wear and tear that goes along with it.

    Were the Patriots playing their best at the end of 2010?

  5. massive

    ruruland: I’d like for the Heat to keep this winning streak as long as possibly. There is emotional/mental/physical wear and tear that goes along with it.

    Were the Patriots playing their best at the end of 2010?

    2010? You mean when the Jets upset them in the most glorious football moment of my life? I believe so. Tom Brady hadn’t thrown an interception in months.

  6. ruruland

    massive: 2010? You mean when the Jets upset them in the most glorious football moment of my life? I believe so. Tom Brady hadn’t thrown an interception in months.

    When was their undefeated season?

  7. flossy

    It’s remarkable that the Knicks have managed to thrive (over short periods) without each of Melo, Amar’e and Chandler at various points this season.

  8. AnonymousODG

    ruruland: I’d like for the Heat to keep this winning streak as long as possibly. There is emotional/mental/physical wear and tear that goes along with it.

    Were the Patriots playing their best at the end of 2010?

    Are you referring to the 2007-08 season? I’d say a perfect NFL season takes far more from you than a 33+ game NBA winning streak.

    massive: 2010? You mean when the Jets upset them in the most glorious football moment of my life? I believe so. Tom Brady hadn’t thrown an interception in months.

    Amen. One of the best/worst things ever in NY sports history. Best because of how favored the Pats were that year to take the SB and the shellacking the Pats gave the Jets in their 2nd regular-season opener. Worst because it definitely helped lead Tannenbaum into inking a terrible deal for Sanchez just 2 years later.

  9. maxwell_3g

    what the hell just got into camby??? jeezuz. as soon as you can play, you get thrown out. knicks need to be careful here

  10. AnonymousODG

    Baffled at how Gasol was not assessed a foul on that blatant shove down on Camby’s back. Also baffled at Woodson’s continuing experiment with Copeland at C position.

  11. massive

    Well hopefully the Sanchez extension leads to the Jets’ drafting David Fales, Teddy Bridgewater, or Johnny Football. But back to the Knicks.

    STOP FOULING.

  12. BigBlueAL

    AnonymousODG:
    Baffled at how Gasol was not assessed a foul on that blatant shove down on Camby’s back.Also baffled at Woodson’s continuing experiment with Copeland at C position.

    Camby was pretty baffled too.

  13. maxwell_3g

    that was an excellent pass out the double to copeland from melo there. no need for heroes, just smart basketball

  14. maxwell_3g

    cope’s game looks like someone playing in your local ymca. i do applaud his tenaciousness (on offense atleast)

  15. AnonymousODG

    Has there been even a single fastbreak for the Grizzlies in his game? How can you be so successful in this league without any transition offense??? And if their frontcourt duo of Gasol/Z-Bo is that potent, how can they be so ineffectual against an Eastern Conference team with a sorely depleted frontcourt that has repeatedly featured Copeland/Novak at the 5??????

    Must ponder further…

  16. massive

    maxwell_3g:
    cope’s game looks like someone playing in your local ymca.i do applaud his tenaciousness (on offense atleast)

    He plays like a poor man’s current-day Paul Pierce.

  17. maxwell_3g

    what was more impressive? the jr block or novak actually coming up with a loose ball and hurdling someone

  18. maxwell_3g

    melo has been awful in the second half. ball stopping at its finest. need to get the ball moving again

  19. mr.JayP

    maxwell_3g:
    melo has been awful in the second half.ball stopping at its finest.need to get the ball moving again

    give it to jr. he def. has a hot hand.

  20. maxwell_3g

    i really like tony allen’s game. great defender (not so much tonight). hits the boards

  21. BigBlueAL

    Knicks look like they are running out of gas. Hopefully they can hold on for 5 more minutes.

  22. AnonymousODG

    I know Shump has 4 personal fouls, but he really needs to come back in for Prig or Kidd.

  23. AnonymousODG

    Wow. Just. Wow. Melo with an amazing recovery off a nearly botched offensive possession.

  24. maxwell_3g

    AnonymousODG:
    I know Shump has 4 personal fouls, but he really needs to come back in for Prig or Kidd.

    yeah, i feel for shump. he is hot and then woody never really lets him get it going in the second half. hes gotten a lot of quick starts recently, then his final numbers arent that great

  25. AnonymousODG

    Rebounds off of free throws saved this game. Which is something no team should ever, ever count on. Somehow, Memphis could not protect their boards. Z-Bo being benched looms large. He and Memphis fans cannot be happy about that.

    mr.JayP:
    its kinda upsetting that the knicks let it get this close,

    But we’ll take the win feeling like guilty thieves all the same!

  26. jon abbey

    AnonymousODG:
    Z-Bo being benched looms large.He and Memphis fans cannot be happy about that.

    he was 1 for 3 with 5 turnovers, playing like he partied all night.

  27. jon abbey

    Jeremy Lin with his third straight serious stinker, for those still paying attention there.

  28. maxwell_3g

    bulls need to put nate in there. got to score some points to win this game and nate, for all his faults, wont be afraid to go ahead and win this game

  29. AnonymousODG

    jon abbey:
    Jeremy Lin with his third straight serious stinker, for those still paying attention there.

    Lin turning it over 4 times in only 2 minutes didn’t help, sure, but seems more like the loss is Harden’s fault with his 6/24 shooting.

  30. johnlocke

    If heat come back here would be more impressive than Cleveland. That was a flagrant foul btw

  31. maxwell_3g

    if someone did that to lebron or wade, everyone would cry bloody murder. i love how boozer stood his ground

  32. johnlocke

    Should’ve used reverse layup…but that block was ridiculous

    maxwell_3g:
    heinrich needs to stop laying it up on james.if you cant dunk it, hes gonna get it

  33. BigBlueAL

    mr.JayP:
    its kinda upsetting that the knicks let it get this close,

    Knicks playing 2nd of a back-to-back w/o Chandler playing against a fully healthy Memphis team who didnt play the night before, I will take any type of win let alone a win where they lead by 28 at halftime.

  34. maxwell_3g

    jon abbey:
    six Ws in a row without Chandler and Amar’e, all hail Kenyon the Tattooed Savior!

    yeah, i must admit, im shocked by how much k-mart has shown. how could he just be sitting without a team for so long? he really plays better than his stats too. good win tonight on a night when melo had an awful game

  35. AnonymousODG

    With just one play, Hinrich has become one of my favorite non-Knick players in the NBA today.

  36. mr.JayP

    BigBlueAL: Knicks playing 2nd of a back-to-back w/o Chandler playing against a fully healthy Memphis team who didnt play the night before, I will take any type of win let alone a win where they lead by 28 at halftime.

    its upsetting when your up by 28 and still need to use ur starters cuz you let the team waltz right back in. im def. not complaining about the win, just that sometimes our playstyle lacks consistency or we run out of gas.

  37. Jp

    maxwell_3g:
    bulls need to put nate in there.got to score some points to win this game and nate, for all his faults, wont be afraid to go ahead and win this game

    U called it

  38. Z-man

    mr.JayP: its upsetting when your up by 28 and still need to use ur starters cuz you let the team waltz right back in. im def. not complaining about the win, just that sometimes our playstyle lacks consistency or we run out of gas.

    These kinds of comebacks happen often, so long as we win at the end, doesn’t really matter. Memphis is a very solid team at full strength.

    The one thing that really bugged me was Camby’s meltdown. He almost cost us the game.

  39. Z-man

    Let’s not forget that this was the second night of a tough back-to-back after a nice road win. To pounce on a very tough defensive team like we did was critical, I don’t think we win a see-saw type of game.

  40. ruruland

    Z-man: These kinds of comebacks happen often, so long as we win at the end, doesn’t really matter. Memphis is a very solid team at full strength.

    The one thing that really bugged me was Camby’s meltdown. He almost cost us the game.

    It was a ridiculous double technical. Memphis had a great whistle most of the game.

    Like you mentioned though, blowing out a 50-55 win team at full health and rested shouldn’t be expected on a tough b2b missing one of your best players. A lot of Memphis’ offense was created by inside mismatches.

  41. Jp

    Makes You wonder if there’s some built-up frustration from the lack of playing time.

    Z-man: These kinds of comebacks happen often, so long as we win at the end, doesn’t really matter. Memphis is a very solid team at full strength.

    The one thing that really bugged me was Camby’s meltdown. He almost cost us the game.

  42. BigBlueAL

    Is this a good time to bring up the Heat are now 1-2 against the Bulls, Pacers and Knicks?? Heat still the heavy favorites in the East obviously and it will be shocking if they dont reach the NBA Finals but people thinking it will be a cakewalk in the playoffs might be overstating it a bit. If the Heat play the Bulls in the 2nd round and the Knicks/Pacers in the conference finals I can see at least one if not both series going 6 or 7 games. Not likely but definitely possible.

    Im just looking for some hope :-)

  43. ruruland

    Jp:
    Makes You wonder if there’s some built-up frustration from the lack of playing time.

    It should have been one technical and it’s over with. A 3-1 free throw advantage until the final minutes was largely what kept game close.

    There was not a 3-1 difference in physical contact at rim.

  44. AnonymousODG

    mr.JayP: what is his Fg % doe?

    Well, for the last 5 games after his knee’s been drained it’s at 43.2% (even with tonight’s performance). It was abysmal when he was hurt though.

  45. ruruland

    Gallo choke. gaming metrics doesn’t look so good in a last shot situation when your number is called.

  46. johnlocke

    Attacking JR has been the best Knick over the last 5 games

    AnonymousODG: Well, for the last 5 games after his knee’s been drained it’s at 43.2% (even with tonight’s performance).It was abysmal when he was hurt though.

  47. ruruland

    BigBlueAL:
    Is this a good time to bring up the Heat are now 1-2 against the Bulls, Pacers and Knicks??Heat still the heavy favorites in the East obviously and it will be shocking if they dont reach the NBA Finals but people thinking it will be a cakewalk in the playoffs might be overstating it a bit.If the Heat play the Bulls in the 2nd round and the Knicks/Pacers in the conference finals I can see at least one if not both series going 6 or 7 games.Not likely but definitely possible.

    Im just looking for some hope :-)

    IDK, look at how badly they were beaten on the boards.

  48. Jp

    Ands that’s all i can remember from the game in Memphis the ridiculous whistles which caused a knick meltdown in the 3rd. Im also pretty sure a knick was ejected in that game too.cant recall who tho.
    I still think theres a woodson/camby dynamic we don’t know about

    ruruland: It should have been one technical and it’s over with. A 3-1 free throw advantage until the final minutes was largely what kept game close.

    There was not a 3-1 difference in physical contact at rim.

  49. d-mar

    ruruland: It was a ridiculous double technical. Memphis had a great whistle most of the game.

    Like you mentioned though, blowing out a 50-55 win team at full health and rested shouldn’t be expected on a tough b2b missing one of your best players. A lot of Memphis’ offense was created by inside mismatches.

    If we got down by 30 to the Grizz in Memphis and came back like they did, it would mean nothing. When you build a 30 point lead, you’ve pretty much taken care of business.

  50. AnonymousODG

    johnlocke:
    Attacking JR has been the best Knick over the last 5 games

    Hard to argue with that. At the very least, it’s certainly refreshing to see conversations revolving around which of the Knicks should be getting their share of the credit for wins, rather than their share of the blame for losses.

  51. Jp

    Very refreshing. But when the conversation is about the latter this board blows up like nobody’s bussines. I wonder why that is….

    AnonymousODG: Hard to argue with that.At the very least, it’s certainly refreshing to see conversations revolving around which of the Knicks should be getting their share of the credit for wins, rather than their share of the blame for losses.

  52. mr.JayP

    BigBlueAL:
    Maybe now the Heat wont try as hard on Tuesday since their streak is over.

    i have a feeling the heat will be pissed off after getting punked in chicago.

    i think i much rather them continue the streak to be honest.

  53. BigBlueAL

    mr.JayP: i have a feeling the heat will be pissed off after getting punked in chicago.

    i think i much rather them continue the streak to be honest.

    They play 2 games before the Knicks game (Sunday in San Antonio). Im sure by Tuesday they will be bored again and just waiting for the playoffs to start.

  54. AnonymousODG

    BigBlueAL:
    Maybe now the Heat wont try as hard on Tuesday since their streak is over.

    Wishful thinking. At the same time, while I am convinced the Heat will go into “Eff you” mode, I think that will bring out a level of chippiness that the Knicks will relish. So long as we don’t have three players and our coach thrown out for technicals, I predict a tough challenging game for all involved that will go down to the last minute.

    As a wise man whose name rhymes with Fart Snot once said, “CAN’T WAIT!”

  55. mr.JayP

    BigBlueAL: They play 2 games before the Knicks game (Sunday in San Antonio).Im sure by Tuesday they will be bored again and just waiting for the playoffs to start.

    with San Antonio? Pop is gonna rest his starters again and take them to OT LOL

    Pop is a beast.

  56. BigBlueAL

    AnonymousODG: Wishful thinking.At the same time, while I am convinced the Heat will go into “Eff you” mode, I think that will bring out a level of chippiness that the Knicks will relish.So long as we don’t have three players and our coach thrown out for technicals, I predict a tough challenging game for all involved that will go down to the last minute.

    As a wise man whose name rhymes with Fart Snot once said, “CAN’T WAIT!”

    I predict a double digit 1st half lead for the Knicks then it will come down to if the Heat feel like expending the energy to make a comeback lol.

  57. Z-man

    @ Miami should be penciled in for a loss, winning would be found money. Looking forward to an intense, close game, hoping we come out on top.

  58. BigBlueAL

    jon abbey: well, I think the main thing we learned tonight is you shouldn’t watch. :)

    Foreel, I knew the Knicks were up big during the 1st half cause I was able to check the score once in awhile but I didnt get home and sit down to watch the game until as soon as the 3rd quarter started. Was able to watch the entire game last night though lol.

  59. Z-man

    For those who insist Shump can’t shoot, his shot looked pretty sweet tonight. He is now 22-47 from 3 in March.

  60. Jp

    Seemed like shump had a little extra tonight. Was actually able to blow by defenders on a few plays. Havent seen that too many times this season

  61. BigBlueAL

    Of course halftime now on ESPN and Wilbon mentions that the Bulls are the only team in the East who can give the Heat are good series in the playoffs. Brought up the Pacers, didnt even mention the Knicks.

  62. jon abbey

    JR with a funny quote:

    JR Smith: “Everybody likes New York, especially West Coast teams. They don’t get to come here but once. That helped us out.”

    sometimes we get a team’s best effort because it’s in NYC, sometimes we get their worst effort because they’ve spent the night before in NYC. tonight was one of the latter, we’ll take it.

  63. Z-man

    BigBlueAL:
    Of course halftime now on ESPN and Wilbon mentions that the Bulls are the only team in the East who can give the Heat are good series in the playoffs.Brought up the Pacers, didnt even mention the Knicks.

    Good, better to lay low. We have lots of telling games left: Boston, Miami, Chicago, Atlantax2, OKC. If we could win 3 of these games, I’d be OK, 4 would be dynamite and would guarantee a 50-win season.

  64. lavor postell

    Threw on my recording of the game as soon as I got home. Kidd’s oop to JR was just beautiful. Kidd just reminding everybody that he still has eyes in the back of his head.

  65. johnlocke

    The blind behind the back pass to Novak is better

    lavor postell:
    Threw on my recording of the game as soon as I got home.Kidd’s oop to JR was just beautiful.Kidd just reminding everybody that he still has eyes in the back of his head.

  66. jon abbey

    and Prigioni is OK as an emergency fill-in, but you guys who want to give him more run are crazy IMO. among other things, he somehow has no sense of the 24 second clock for a PG, playing hot potato with the ball way too often. I wish there was a way of debiting guys for not taking shots that they should, that’s as bad as a missed shot sometimes.

  67. BigBlueAL

    The battle for the 2/3 seed with Indiana is becoming more important to me because the Hawks are really pushing the Bulls for the 5th seed and looking at their remaining schedules its pretty easy for both (Hawks do play the Knicks twice). Obviously I want no part of the Bulls in the 1st round with or w/o Rose.

    Looking pretty likely that the Celtics are stuck in the 7th seed, unlike many here I have no problems whatsoever playing them in the 1st round. Would prefer the Hawks but if it means getting the 2 seed and homecourt in the 2nd round I would easily prefer that than finishing 3rd just to avoid the Celtics in the 1st round.

  68. johnlocke

    We need to avoid the Bulls. Defense too good, and rebounding would kill us.

    BigBlueAL:
    The battle for the 2/3 seed with Indiana is becoming more important to me because the Hawks are really pushing the Bulls for the 5th seed and looking at their remaining schedules its pretty easy for both (Hawks do play the Knicks twice).Obviously I want no part of the Bulls in the 1st round with or w/o Rose.

    Looking pretty likely that the Celtics are stuck in the 7th seed, unlike many here I have no problems whatsoever playing them in the 1st round.Would prefer the Hawks but if it means getting the 2 seed and homecourt in the 2nd round I would easily prefer that than finishing 3rd just to avoid the Celtics in the 1st round.

  69. BigBlueAL

    johnlocke:
    We need to avoid the Bulls. Defense too good, and rebounding would kill us.

    Finishing 2nd is the best way for that to happen. Stupid Rockets losing tonight to the Pacers hurts. Pacers have a back-to-back playing in Dallas tomorrow though then after going to Phoenix they go to LA vs the Clippers before returning home to play OKC. Would be nice if they lose 3 of those 4 games. Knicks are up 1 in the loss column right now.

  70. lavor postell

    Not exactly sure why a) they didn’t call a foul on Gasol and b) why Camby got tossed. This entire third quarter so far has had some batshit mental officiating.

  71. Brian Cronin

    Good, better to lay low. We have lots of telling games left: Boston, Miami, Chicago, Atlantax2, OKC. If we could win 3 of these games, I’d be OK, 4 would be dynamite and would guarantee a 50-win season.

    Are they not yet on a 50-win pace? I thought they were. 50 wins would be awesome.

    Great win tonight.

  72. lavor postell

    johnlocke:
    The blind behind the back pass to Novak is better

    You are right sir. When a shot misses off a pass like that, it just looks wrong.

  73. BigBlueAL

    Brian Cronin: Are they not yet on a 50-win pace? I thought they were. 50 wins would be awesome.

    Great win tonight.

    They are on a 51.5 win pace. Just need to go 6-6 to win 50, they have enough easy games and are playing well enough right now that I believe at worst they win 6, most likely 7 and possibly 8 of their remaining games. So the dream of a 50 win season is looking more and more realistic lol.

  74. jon abbey

    lavor postell:
    Jason Kidd refuses to make free throws after being fouled on a made three

    he is such a basketball savant that he knew it would be better to miss at a precise angle for NY to get the ball back. :)

  75. lavor postell

    Pretty unfortunate STAT won’t be back for our final regular season meeting against the Bulls since I’m comfortable with the thought of having Chandler, Kenyon, STAT, Camby and Melo at the 4/5 positions and that being enough. I would like to see that in practice however before a potential playoff matchup.

    I can’t see a Rose-less Bulls team beating Miami, but they match up well with us regardless and would definitely be a challenge. Chicago with Rose and a full strength New York team are the only 2 squads in the East that have a chance to dethrone Miami and neither would have great odds.

    I think the Knicks’ ability to generate points from the post is probably more difficult for Miami to handle since their defensive tendencies to overload the strong side and pressure the shit out of the ball is susceptible to the perimeter ball movement off kick outs the Knicks have used to burn them the first two meetings. Even in the third meeting the Knicks missed countless wide open threes off of good ball rotation. I’d really love to see what kind of odds a healthy Knicks squad with an efficient Stoudemire would get against Miami in a series.

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