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Thursday, October 23, 2014

2013 Game Thread: Knicks @ Nuggets

If you are an NBA star and you have to return to the arena of the team that you spurned to get to another team, it is pretty damn sweet that said return was put off by more than two years. It is really kind of crazy when you think about it that Melo has not returned to Denver to play against the Nuggets yet despite being traded over two years ago. This is JR Smith’s first game back in Denver, as well.

As many folks have noted, knowing how crazy this season has been, it will not be surprising at all if the Knicks kick the Nuggets’ ass. Sadly, said craziness means that it would not be surprising if the reverse occurs.

Whatever the results, I am pleased to finally be able to discuss the Melo trade here.

Let’s go Knicks!

215 comments on “2013 Game Thread: Knicks @ Nuggets

  1. BigBlueAL

    Just saw on NBATV that the last time the Knicks won in Denver was on Crawford’s crazy steal/3pter with a few secs left. Believe it was in 2006.

  2. Seba

    between melo tonight and Felton at Portland it’s gonna be a Boo fest, let’s see how they handle the hostility

  3. Garson

    BigBlueAL:
    Just saw on NBATV that the last time the Knicks won in Denver was on Crawford’s crazy steal/3pter with a few secs left.Believe it was in 2006.

    Remember that Gus Johnson made the call on that play … And did not hold back… Miss me some gus

  4. rohank

    Wow. Melo getting booed like it’s LeBron in Cleveland… I guess it HAS been pent up for a couple of years.

  5. rohank

    Someone should count how many times our guys step out of bounds on the sideline when receiving a pass. They should run a drill for that in practice. This is ridiculous!!! STUPID Turnover!

  6. maxwell_3g

    i actually respect the booing by denver’s fans. they should boo. i root for melo, but he did that franchise wrong and quit on them

  7. joengai

    jon abbey:
    not sure there’s been a game this year NY has had less of a chance to win going in.

    do you think the knicks are gonna lose this game or something?

  8. maxwell_3g

    i understand the belief in the “go to” guy, but i dont understand why the nuggets are only consider a team with “upset potential”- they can play with anyone IMO, especially when gallo is hitting from 3

  9. BigBlueAL

    The Nuggets play like an annoying street ball team who all they do is run and leak out at all times.

  10. sidestep

    All types of weird cross-matches are happening when the Knicks get caught playing transition defense.

  11. maxwell_3g

    BigBlueAL:
    The Bulls were down 60-26 in Scaramento a couple of minutes ago.

    have u seen the jerseys that sacramento is wearing? not sure if they are kind of cool or the most hideous idea for a uni ever. they are kind of like the nba jersey version of an airbrushed t-shirt

  12. Owen

    Jon Abbey is running a classic jinx i believe….

    We can win this if our second unit can play with theirs.

  13. maxwell_3g

    i miss wilson. he never became the player some of us dreamed of, but he does most things pretty well

  14. AnonymousODG

    Carmelo looks all right so far. Except for the ridiculous scoring, our offense at least doesn’t seem stagnant. Annoyed with the turnovers though. Someone needs to paint a cheeseburger on the basketball. Maybe Felton won’t be so careless with it then.

  15. Seba

    I think Blazer fans are plotting to throw cupcakes at him during player intros… i’m not kidding.

    AnonymousODG:
    Carmelo looks all right so far.Except for the ridiculous scoring, our offense at least doesn’t seem stagnant.Annoyed with the turnovers though.Someone needs to paint a cheeseburger on the basketball.Maybe Felton won’t be so careless with it then.

  16. Jp

    Garson: Remember that Gus Johnson made the call on that play … And did not hold back… Miss me some gus

    yea gus was great… I like spiro dedes too way more than breen anyway. Spiro and gus, ideal knick commentators

  17. AnonymousODG

    I can’t believe Copeland is out there. Let’s see how this turns out. God awful interior defense on McGee? Check. Terrible transition defense on Chandler? Check.

  18. Seba

    Yeah, i really want to like him, but you can see how he’s going to get beat on defense five seconds before he does…

    maxwell_3g:
    not a good showing by cope so far

  19. jon abbey

    Owen:
    Jon Abbey is running a classic jinx i believe….

    no, I really have almost no faith in this team anymore, I think they’re running on fumes overall, and the shot selection that Woodson allows (has no choice, I guess) is embarrassing.

  20. Seba

    and denver goes on a 10 – 0 run… shocking!

    DRed:
    Cope Kidd JR Novak and martin. Just how we drew it up offseason

  21. Garson

    Don’t know how one named ruru gave up watching this rediculasly entertaining and lovable team that thrives on teamwork and trust for the Knicks

  22. AnonymousODG

    Seba:
    I think Blazer fans are plotting to throw cupcakes at him during player intros… i’m not kidding.

    Not to pile on, but if the basketball just even smelled like a cupcake, Felton would never kick it off his foot.

  23. BigBlueAL

    EB:
    I think NOW would be a good time to use Camby. Fre

    You would think against the team that leads the league in points in the paint playing Camby would be smart.

  24. maxwell_3g

    this team is becoming an embarassment. any team with any grit or athleticism eats us alive. this team has no accountability and it has caught up with us. we couldnt beat the sixers in a best of 7 right now. maybe could beat the raptors

  25. TheXman

    Lol this is pathetic, guess we should’ve kept gallo and chandler. Championship? Can’t even keep up with the 6th team in the West. Joke.

  26. Seba

    for an elite defender Chandler sure seems to take getting embarrassed very nonchalantly… I don’t think i’ve seen him hustle to protect the paint once all game.

  27. maxwell_3g

    TheXman:
    Lol this is pathetic, guess we should’ve kept gallo and chandler.Championship? Can’t even keep up with the 6th team in the West.Joke.

    be careful man. you are about to get shouted off the board. cant question the melo trade or they tell you that you arent a knick fan. wait, ruru might not be on here tonight

  28. EB

    Nevermind about Camby. I want to see Kurt Thomas and Martin out there and just have them put everyone on their ass until they foul out.

  29. sidestep

    JR Smith posted up Lawson and bricked. Many guards think that Lawson is easy prey for post up but it’s not as easy as they imagine.

  30. AnonymousODG

    Knicks desperation so apparent, even serial laziness offender Chandler feels compelled to jack up an outside jumper. How appropriate.

  31. jon abbey

    again, the fault lies in great part with anyone buying Knicks tickets. if you give Dolan money, you are in part to blame for this.

  32. AnonymousODG

    Golden opportunity for Copeland to showcase his burgeoning talent and have a break out game, amirite? Amirite?

    Meanwhile, I’ll be in my basement trying to invent a chocolate-scented basketball to help Felton out with his turnovers.

  33. TheXman

    The offense looks terrible, always has been. The woodson, waiting for the clock to run down then hero shot with melo with jr smith. That’s what u call offense? If his speciality is defense, please take a look at this game. I rarely post on this board any more since I’ve started to hate on my Knicks after the JLin offseason debacle. This team is forever cursed, the beginning start was too good to be true.

    They may win the first round, then get blown out by the Pacers.

  34. Will the Thrill

    I think this game is going deflate Carmelo’s confidence a lot, and that sucks. It’s not like he’s the reason we are losing (our team is elderly), but I can envision him taking it kind of hard. Wouldn’t be surprised if his knee is drained after this game.

  35. lavor postell

    Chandler is perfecting the art of not defending the rim and not rebounding. Seriously where the fuck is the communication on defense and on offense why are we not running Chandler pNr at all anymore? Did we decide that the play that helped to initiate our offense early in the season is not a worthwhile play any longer? Can we maybe play zone against a team who literally gets everything inside and are proving it today?

  36. Owen

    Actually, the NBA is star driven league where the ability to draw a double team in isolation is the only thing that matters and the only thing that creates ball movement…..

    Garson:
    I guess you can win without an iso… Haven’t seen one yet from the nuggets

  37. jon abbey

    and there it is, Chandler goes down and the season is over. I’d say ‘let’s go Yankees!’ but they’re going to suck too.

  38. Robtachi

    Woodson really should be toast after this. If his saving grace Is that he inspires the uninspired into playing with effort and toughness, then he no longer brings anything to this team because that’s been MIA for months.

  39. BigBlueAL

    jon abbey:
    and there it is, Chandler goes down and the season is over. I’d say ‘let’s go Yankees!’ but they’re going to suck too.

    Yankees will win the AL East this season.

  40. TheXman

    on cue, well that’s why we signed Camby, Thomas, and every other 40 year old guy right? Cursed after losing amare for 6 weeks.

  41. maxwell_3g

    i do want to see gallo crotch dunk it on melo once tonight. of course, this would require us to get back on d

  42. maxwell_3g

    if chandler is out, camby will be lost within a week i would guess. k mart too. we may need another half a roster to finish the season

  43. EB

    Maybe Melo can play center…

    maxwell_3g:
    if chandler is out, camby will be lost within a week i would guess.k mart too.we may need another half a roster to finish the season

  44. maxwell_3g

    im not convinced its a torn acl. could be some cartilage damage or something like that. i know you can walk on an acl, but i dont think they would have gotten him up. other than basic concern for another human being, Im not sure it matters at all though. we are toast. can you imagine how good you would feel as a 6 seed playing us if we were the three seed (which we wont be)

  45. lavor postell

    Chandler before the injury, 4 points and 2 rebounds. Our best and most important player really showed what his game is all about. Maybe when he comes back from this injury he’ll start jumping and just generally trying again.

  46. AnonymousODG

    Will the Thrill:
    Well now we will see who is the least dispensable Knick… season over

    Nah. If Chandler misses time, it’ll be a character test for the Knicks. And whatever frustration we might feel, these guys are atheletes and competitors. Can’t stay in the NBA without being so. It’ll be ugly, but I predict more effort (especially defensively) from the team.

    It should have happened when STAT went out, but Melo decided to come right back. Which was an excuse for team urgency to be quelled.

    Chandler isn’t as indispensable to the Knicks defense anymore. Recent questions of effort aside, even him at his best cannot patch up the poor defensive rotations that the Knicks have fallen into. Now, they’ll be forced to play good defense as a team or get smoked to all heck. It’s an opportunity for the Knicks to get back to the defensive intensity they had to start the season.

  47. thenamestsam

    I guess I’m the only one, but I didn’t think it looked like a torn ACL. Looked more like it was just a twist to me. I’m going to keep my fingers crossed for now. He has a full 6 weeks to get healthy. If it’s not his ACL there’s no reason to think the season is over. That said, that was the worst half I remember in quite some time. Not just getting blown out, but the contrast between how fun to watch they are and how painful we are. Can’t see how it could have been worse. Unless of course it is his ACL…

  48. BigBlueAL

    The last 4 times the Knicks have made the playoffs:

    2001 Larry Johnson is out for the playoffs, Camby gets his sister abducted during the series and misses a game and is understandably completely out of it in the games he does play.

    2004 Allan Houston is out for the playoffs, Tim Thomas gets hurt in Game 1 and misses rest of the series.

    2011 Billups gets hurt during Game 1 misses rest of the series, Amar’e gets hurt during warmups of Game 2 and is basically done for the series.

    2012 Lin misses the playoffs, Amar’e hurts himself post-game in Game 2 and misses a game. Baron Davis gets hurt in Game 4 and misses the next game.

    2013 Knicks ?????

  49. Owen

    That’s cold. And totally uncool.

    These are your New York Knicks, fans…..

    I haven’t felt this bad about an injury ever. Punch in the gut.

    lavor postell:
    Chandler before the injury, 4 points and 2 rebounds.Our best and most important player really showed what his game is all about.Maybe when he comes back from this injury he’ll start jumping and just generally trying again.

  50. lavor postell

    I’m not going to assume it’s an ACL. This is the Knicks so he probably somehow ruptured his achilles, tore his ACL, MCL and PCL and dislocated an elbow on that play. Knicks medical staff will confirm that he’ll be out for 6-8 weeks.

  51. Will the Thrill

    Tyson will probably never be the same if that is an ACL tear. I can’t even believe how screwed we are right now.

  52. sidestep

    lavor postell:
    I’m not going to assume it’s an ACL.This is the Knicks so he probably somehow ruptured his achilles, tore his ACL, MCL and PCL and dislocated an elbow on that play.Knicks medical staff will confirm that he’ll be out for 6-8 weeks.

  53. Seba

    maxwell_3g:
    i do want to see gallo crotch dunk it on melo once tonight.of course, this would require us to get back on d

    what’s wrong with you man…

  54. jon abbey

    Owen:
    That’s cold. And totally uncool.

    These are your New York Knicks, fans…..

    I haven’t felt this bad about an injury ever. Punch in the gut.

    cold, totally uncool and true. I don’t know what players you’ve been watching out there, but he has been decidedly worse than Melo this year overall, really not even close.

  55. lavor postell

    Owen:
    That’s cold. And totally uncool.

    These are your New York Knicks fans…..

    I haven’t felt this bad about an injury ever. Punch in the gut.

    The point isn’t about Chandler being injured. I love the guy as much as that isn’t obvious at times and without him we have no shot of winning a playoff game, forget a series. The fact is people like you have decided that because he was great last year and the year before in Dallas that he should get a pass even though he’s blatantly mailed it in for the majority of our games over the last two months.

  56. Frank

    Knicks PR twitter says contused L knee. Not sure whether to believe that but if this is just a bruised knee from getting run into, that would be a huuuuuuuuge break (no pun intended).

  57. maxwell_3g

    BigBlueAL:
    The last 4 times the Knicks have made the playoffs:

    2001 Larry Johnson is out for the playoffs, Camby gets his sister abducted during the series and misses a game and is understandably completely out of it in the games he does play.

    2004 Allan Houston is out for the playoffs, Tim Thomas gets hurt in Game 1 and misses rest of the series.

    2011 Billups gets hurt during Game 1 misses rest of the series, Amar’e gets hurt during warmups of Game 2 and is basically done for the series.

    2012 Lin misses the playoffs, Amar’e hurts himself post-game in Game 2 and misses a game.Baron Davis gets hurt in Game 4 and misses the next game.

    2013 Knicks ?????

    if it doesnt involve dolan being booed out of his own building, im not really interested at this point. its going to end badly, one way or another

  58. JoMo

    Yeah I dont think it’s an ACL for Chandler. It looked like a knee-to-knee. Maybe a dislocated cap, but there wasn’t any kind of twist or awkward landing. Still awful that he went down, but yeah, if it was an ACL the pain would subside after a few minutes and he’d be able to walk off. (source: fully ruptured my ACL back in the day).

    Either way, I mean, we’re fucked if he’s out for any kind of chunk of time.

  59. BigBlueAL

    Owen:
    That’s cold. And totally uncool.

    These are your New York Knicks, fans…..

    I haven’t felt this bad about an injury ever. Punch in the gut.

    Nothing made me sicker than finding out Ewing was done for the playoffs prior to Game 3 of the conference finals in 1999. Felt horrible for the team and especially horrible for Ewing.

  60. Brian Cronin

    So the Knicks says a concussed knee. Interpeting Knick medical speak, I presume that means amputation.

    Contused knee. What total BS. I can see it being “only” hyper-extended, but it was not hit, so how could it be contused?

  61. lavor postell

    BigBlueAL: Nothing made me sicker than finding out Ewing was done for the playoffs prior to Game 3 of the conference finals in 1999.Felt horrible for the team and especially horrible for Ewing.

    It especially sucked because of the warrior he had been his entire career and in the playoffs until that point. Then again Bill Simmons created the Ewing theory so he must be overrated and his teammates must have hated him.

  62. AnonymousODG

    lavor postell:
    I’m not going to assume it’s an ACL.This is the Knicks so he probably somehow ruptured his achilles, tore his ACL, MCL and PCL and dislocated an elbow on that play.Knicks medical staff will confirm that he’ll be out for 6-8 weeks.

    More likely that Knicks medical staff clears him to play with a 30 minute limit. Woodson plays him 35 mins in back-to-back games against the Wizards and Orlando (both losses naturally), and Chandler’s leg completely falls off.

    At the scene, generic white kid court sweeper awkwardly pauses and tries to figure out with whether to pick it up with a towel or his bare hands (to seem less racist about it).

  63. Brian Cronin

    On the replay, it DID look like a direct collision after all.

    I don’t think so. If that’s the case, then awesome. It didn’t look like a collision to me.

  64. maxwell_3g

    jon abbey: cold, totally uncool and true. I don’t know what players you’ve been watching out there, but he has been decidedly worse than Melo this year overall, really not even close.

    i dont know. i admit chandler has not been very good, but melo has become about as unwatchable player as there is in the league

  65. BigBlueAL

    Yeah I dont get people saying there was no contact, certainly looked like there was. At worst I think hyperextended, cant imagine he tore his ACL on that play. But I might be delusional.

  66. Brian Cronin

    Okay, I take it back. From another angle, yeah, there was contact. However, I don’t think it was the type of contact that would make Chandler grimace like that. I could see it jostle his knee so that it hyper-extended, but I don’t think it was enough of a collision that it would be the sole cause of the injury, which is what “knee contusion” sounds like.

  67. maxwell_3g

    Brian Cronin:
    So the Knicks says a contused knee. Interpeting Knick medical speak, I presume that means amputation.

    Contused knee. What total BS. I can see it being “only” hyper-extended, but it was not hit, so how could it be contused?

    lol. i actually think brewer’s hip or knee may have hit it, but i could be wrong. i dont like to watch knee injuries too closely after what happened to my fellow gamecock marcus lattimore last year

  68. lavor postell

    maxwell_3g: i dont know.i admit chandler has not been very good, but melo has become about as unwatchable player as there is in the league

    For what like the last month? Chandler’s been a defensive stalwart who hasn’t even slowed the dunk and 3 point contest the Knicks put on for opponents to perform in every night for the vast majority of the season. If we are going to criticize Melo for what he was brought in to do which is to be the center piece of our offense than let’s judge Chandler by the same standards as the rock our defense is supposed to be built on.

  69. bobneptune

    Frank:
    Knicks PR twitter says contused L knee. Not sure whether to believe that but if this is just a bruised knee from getting run into, that would be a huuuuuuuuge break (no pun intended).

    Best to chandler, but that isn’t the story of this game. out rebounded on the O boards 11-2 and 31-15 overall. No athleticism. This is basketball, not bowling. And of course, this:

    http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=400278684

    a complete embarrassment, the Chandler injury obfuscates this basic problem. But , all is good…. Melo got his money. And so does Jimmy D.

    maxwell_3g:
    wht are the odds of the pipe getting ejected tonight??at least 25%

    the end…..

  70. lavor postell

    BigBlueAL: Earl Barron is available I believe.

    We should look at Qyntel Woods, Dermarr Johnson and Demetris Nichols to shore up our swing positions.

  71. AnonymousODG

    Brian Cronin: Yeah, sorry, I was in the midst of correcting the typo when your replied. :)

    Liar. You weren’t correcting it because you went to the bathroom to take a dump. Don’t ask me how I know that’s what you did. It’s not important, so don’t try to deflect. On an unrelated note, please open up your living room window blinds a few more inches wider…

    … no real reason.

  72. sidestep

    Brian Cronin:
    Okay, I take it back. From another angle, yeah, there was contact. However, I don’t think it was the type of contact that would make Chandler grimace like that. I could see it jostle his knee so that it hyper-extended, but I don’t think it was enough of a collision that it would be the sole cause of the injury, which is what “knee contusion” sounds like.

    I’m still confused since Corey and Tyson seemed to be facing the same direction, so it wasn’t a frontal collision but like…Tyson’s knee hitting the back of Corey’s leg. It didn’t look like the kind of impact that would fell Tyson.

  73. maxwell_3g

    lavor postell: For what like the last month?Chandler’s been a defensive stalwart who hasn’t even slowed the dunk and 3 point contest the Knicks put on for opponents to perform in every night for the vast majority of the season.If we are going to criticize Melo for what he was brought in to do which is to be the center piece of our offense than let’s judge Chandler by the same standards as the rock our defense is supposed to be built on.

    last time i checked, melo includes “superstar” on his resume. you know, like the type of player that forces trades to his preferred desination. well, superstars dont just play well in one aspect of the game (while not even doing that very efficiently). as i said, tyson has dissapointed, but to say that melo has given us something worth banking the franschise would be incorrect. he has proven to be a top 15 or so player, nothing more

  74. BigBlueAL

    Melo looks bad out there again. He really has to sit out however amount of games it takes and get that knee drained.

  75. Owen

    My god…..

    Thank Jesus…..

    Jon – I know you love scorers. And i understand that Melo is the Monta Ellis we never had and you always wanted. Just going to have agree to disagree on Melo/Chandler. You I will never win an argument with.

    Plus, you are my senior, on this board, so I better not talk back…

    ;-)

    Let’s get back in this Knicks!!!!

  76. lavor postell

    Here we go. Let’s pull Shumpert Woodson so you can teach him a lesson about shot selection. How dare he take pull up jumpers on the break. Doesn’t he know that he’s taking bad shots away that JR could instead take and miss?

  77. lavor postell

    maxwell_3g: last time i checked, melo includes “superstar” on his resume.you know, like the type of player that forces trades to his preferred desination.well, superstars dont just play well in one aspect of the game (while not even doing that very efficiently).as i said, tyson has dissapointed, but to say that melo has given us something worth banking the franschise would be incorrect.he has proven to be a top 15 or so player, nothing more

    How many top-15 guys don’t have a max or near max deal?

  78. Brian Cronin

    I’m still confused since Corey and Tyson seemed to be facing the same direction, so it wasn’t a frontal collision but like…Tyson’s knee hitting the back of Corey’s leg. It didn’t look like the kind of impact that would fell Tyson.

    Brewer was sliding past Chandler. On the slide, his knee was turned enough so that it caught Chandler’s knee as he went by (while turning, which is why he ended up facing the same direction as Chandler). He definitely did make contact, but yes, I agree that it didn’t look like the type of contact that would make Chandler collapse like that.

  79. Brian Cronin

    Looks like Melo is done for the game. He needs to get this knee taken care of ASAP.

    Yep. I wouldn’t even mind seeing them fall to the #6 seed if it meant Melo being healthy for the playoffs.

  80. maxwell_3g

    lavor postell: How many top-15 guys don’t have a max or near max deal?

    yeah, but we are a preferred nba destination. we should get to chose our stars and not settle for 3rd tier stars who we have to mortgage our whole future to acquire. but maybe you are right….the dolan leadership has done a great job putting this team together, starting with amare and melo

  81. Owen

    I mean, I may be the only one with a Chandler jersey on this board. But those of you who think he isn’t very good. Well, let’s see what it’s like without him…..

  82. BigBlueAL

    Brian Cronin: Yep. I wouldn’t even mind seeing them fall to the #6 seed if it meant Melo being healthy for the playoffs.

    Melo, Chandler and Amar’e can miss rest of regular season and the only team who would probably pass the Knicks are the Nets, thats how flawed teams 4-7 in the East are.

  83. lavor postell

    maxwell_3g: yeah, but we are a preferred nba destination.we should get to chose our stars and not settle for 3rd tier stars who we have to mortgage our whole future to acquire.but maybe you are right….the dolan leadership has done a great job putting this team together, starting with amare and melo

    Right we should get to choose our stars like when we cleared cap space in 2010 and the best players chose not to come here. Good point.

  84. maxwell_3g

    if melo starts games, he should not exit stage left as soon as it becomes embarassing. he has done that twice now. that is not leadership. if his knee is not healthy, then he shouldnt be playing at all. i will now try to be nice to melo for the rest of the night

  85. Owen

    I think a better question is how many guys have max contracts and are not top 15 players.

    “How many top-15 guys don’t have a max or near max deal?”

  86. AnonymousODG

    maxwell_3g: last time i checked, melo includes “superstar” on his resume.you know, like the type of player that forces trades to his preferred desination.well, superstars dont just play well in one aspect of the game (while not even doing that very efficiently).as i said, tyson has dissapointed, but to say that melo has given us something worth banking the franschise would be incorrect.he has proven to be a top 15 or so player, nothing more

    Lebron, Durant, Westbrook, Rose, Kobe, Wade, Parker, Rondo, Paul, Duncan, Griffin, Nowitski, Curry, Love. 14 other players who have pretty much justified banking their respective franchises on.

    So… not sure how “only being a top 15 player” somehow eliminates you from bankable franchise player status: 1) when there are 30 teams in the NBA; 2) when Melo is almost universally thought of as a top 5 player; and 3) Melo’s presence/salary hasn’t stopped the Knicks from signing guys like Chandler and wasting (unfortunately) another $100 million on STAT.

  87. Thomas B.

    So after the L this evening, I think 19 games remain. Anyone want to lay out the case for 50? All they need is to go 12-7. Of course there are 11 games against projected playoff teams, 11 road games, and 6 back to back. Other than the 3 games against the Cats and the Magic, I think they could lose every game.

  88. maxwell_3g

    AnonymousODG: Lebron, Durant, Westbrook, Rose, Kobe, Wade, Parker, Rondo, Paul, Duncan, Griffin, Nowitski, Curry, Love.14 other players who have pretty much justified banking their respective franchises on.

    So… not sure how “only being a top 15 player” somehow eliminates you from bankable franchise player status: 1) when there are 30 teams in the NBA; 2) when Melo is almost universally thought of as a top 5 player; and 3) Melo’s presence/salary hasn’t stopped the Knicks from signing guys like Chandler and wasting (unfortunately) another $100 million on STAT.

    top 5 and out of the first round once. interesting. i guarantee if you ask nba players and take their politics out of it, they would laugh at the thought of melo being top 5. please

  89. Owen

    “when Melo is almost universally thought of as a top 5 player”

    Who thinks that? Honestly?

    Is that a joke?

  90. Robtachi

    If Shumpert continues to play well, Dolan will just trade him for some overpriced 30 year old.

  91. AnonymousODG

    maxwell_3g: top 5 and out of the first round once. interesting. i guarantee if you ask nba players and take their politics out of it, they would laugh at the thought of melo being top 5.please

    Do you forget who Melo’s supporting cast is? The team without a decent point guard (Mr. chunkychunk Felton) and absolutely zero PnR and ball movement? Then again, I imagine you must think Melo with a good guard, let alone someone like Paul, Rondo, Wade, Parker or Westbrook, wouldn’t be one of the top scorers with improved efficiency in the NBA right now.

    I’d be offended if you thought otherwise but then again, I recognize bitterness when I see it. Melo, the #2 scorer leading his team to #3 in the East is garbage though since the team is apparently without STAT and Chandler (which is somehow his fault). Smart.

    Let’s achieve some perspective with this. Let us know what you think of Kobe, his ridiculous contract, his off-putting attitude, his offensive efficiency, and his stacked team while they struggle hilariously to sniff a playoff spot. Is Kobe somehow not a top 5 player because of this? Answer “no, he isn’t” and I will laugh in your face. Give the only sensible answer and I’ll laugh anyway at the double standards.

  92. maxwell_3g

    EB:

    Thomas B. says:

    March 14, 2013 at 12:44 am

    EB:
    How about next guy who allows a layup gets cut?

    we do have a game tomorrow. we cant just fly in a new 12

  93. ruruland

    There will be a reckoning. No holding back when this gets turned around and the Knicks make their playoff run. It wont be pretty.

    For Knicks fans, it’ll get uglier. Stick with it.

  94. Owen

    You know, Kobe in in the top 5 in win shares right now. I don’t think he is a top five player really. But he has played a million minutes this year. He has been surprisingly good this year, can’t argue that.

    My top five

    James
    Durant
    Paul
    Harden
    Tiago Splitter

    :-)

    “Let’s achieve some perspective with this. Let us know what you think of Kobe, his ridiculous contract, his off-putting attitude, his offensive efficiency, and his stacked team while they struggle hilariously to sniff a playoff spot. Is Kobe somehow not a top 5 player because of this? Answer “no, he isn’t” and I will laugh in your face. Give the only sensible answer and I’ll laugh anyway at the double standards.”

  95. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    ruruland: There will be a reckoning. No holding back when this gets turned around and the Knicks make their playoff run. It wont be pretty.

    What happens when my Carmelo TS% and win total predictions come true?

    Does MSG get swallowed up by a massive sinkhole?

  96. maxwell_3g

    Owen:
    You sir, are funny….

    owen…saw your posts on the stay the course thread. u and stratomatic were exactly right. unfortunately, neither our fan base nor our management will see the light anytime soon, if ever

  97. BigBlueAL

    Camby with another DNP tonight. Really hope he isnt hurt because I sure as hell hope he starts at center tomorrow night since Chandler will be out I assume.

  98. maxwell_3g

    BigBlueAL:
    Camby with another DNP tonight.Really hope he isnt hurt because I sure as hell hope he starts at center tomorrow night since Chandler will be out I assume.

    maybe we can kidnap the moz and sneak him on our team bus

  99. BigBlueAL

    I cant believe right now Im thinking about possible starting lineups for tomorrow night hoping to get a win.

  100. EB

    Brian Cronin:
    This has been by far the best offensive game Shump has ever had. If he could do this on any sort of regular basis, that’d be huge.

    Thus begins the Shump Era!

  101. nyk8806

    TheXman:
    Faried making Chandler look like Greg Ostertag.

    Hey, Ostertag is 5 months younger than Kurt…maybe we can sign him since we’re down to 7 active players excluding empty jerseys. But don’t worry, I have it on good authority that all the injuries are being faked/exaggerated on JD’s orders to throw off the stupid NY media/fanbase so they can be totally rested by the playoffs and sweep the Heat in 4! Just wait, reckonin’ train a comin’!

  102. Will the Thrill

    I really doubt Camby is healthy. No way we put Kenyon in at center in a close game if he was.

    BigBlueAL:
    I cant believe right now Im thinking about possible starting lineups for tomorrow night hoping to get a win.

  103. EB

    Well we learned a few things…
    1) Shump may have a serviceable jumpshot
    2) Chris Copeland may in fact be a worse defender than Novak
    3) Camby is probably dead
    4) I need more alcohol

  104. lavor postell

    EB:
    Well we learned a few things…
    1) Shump may have a serviceable jumpshot
    2) Chris Copeland may in fact be a worse defender than Novak
    3) Camby is probably dead
    4) I need more alcohol

    I think your fourth point holds the key to any chance we have in the postseason.

  105. Brian Cronin

    So Martin and Thomas are the Knicks’ only centers tomorrow night? Wow.

    Luckily they’re playing Portland, who doesn’t really have a center.

  106. nicos

    Brian Cronin:
    This has been by far the best offensive game Shump has ever had. If he could do this on any sort of regular basis, that’d be huge.

    If he shot 80% on a regular basis he’d be the best player in the league! But yeah, he’s 11 for his last 20 from three point range so there’s at least hope he can be decent from out there and there’s no reason that he should struggle so much around the basket once he’s able to elevate again.
    Also- happy to see Wilson Chandler play well, I never liked Gallo much and like him less now but I always really liked Chandler and still hope he does well.

  107. Brian Cronin

    Woody says Chandler is PROBABLE tomorrow! If he’s not full of shit, then WOOHOO!!! I am so happy to be wrong about Chandler’s knee injury.

    On a bad note, Melo is actually being sent back to New York to evaluate his knee. I hope Melo still has a knee on Thursday.

  108. DRed

    ruruland:
    There will be a reckoning. No holding back when this gets turned around and the Knicks make their playoff run. It wont be pretty.

    For Knicks fans, it’ll get uglier. Stick with it.

    And here I thought you quit when stat got hurt. And they told me every dark cloud has a silver lining. . .

    On the plus side, at least our spacing is going to be totally awesome without Tyson now. I know I’m sick of him holding the Knicks back, and I’m sure a long suffering fan like you is too.

  109. BigBlueAL

    Odd being happy that a player is getting his knee drained that will force him to miss games. Really hope he comes back if not 100% healthy at least to the level he was before the Cleveland game. Get well soon Melo.

  110. ruruland

    DRed: And here I thought you quit when stat got hurt. And they told me every dark cloud has a silver lining. . .

    On the plus side, at least our spacing is going to be totally awesome without Tyson now. I know I’m sick of him holding the Knicks back, and I’m sure a long suffering fan like you is too.

    Funny stuff. ;)

  111. Will the Thrill

    I am not just hoping Melo is 100% by playoffs, and I agree with the decision to drain the knee. He wasn’t helping us at all being gimpy anyways.

  112. DRed

    Brian Cronin:
    Definitely Will. I thought he should have skipped tonight, too. Lose the battle to win the war! Get well soon, Melo!

    Yeah. We’ve got an old, injury prone team. Being healthy and well rested is more important than seeding. I’m just not sure this team gets that. Its insane to me that Melo has played the last 2 games.

  113. MeloDrama

    LOL at the crew of guys crowing “I told you so” when the teams top 3 guys are down with knee injuries.

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