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Wednesday, October 22, 2014

2013 Game thread: Knicks @ Heat

Is this a preview of the ECFs?  Some would think it could be.  Let’s hope the Knicks treat it as it is.  New York is 2-1 against the NBA leading, defending champion Heat.  The team can win the season series tonight.  Chandler is back. Martin comes off the bench. James, Wade, and Chalmers sitting (so if they lose, I’d be really concerned but honestly if they win I’d still say it wasn’t against the Heat at their best.) No matter who is playing,  let’s bring this win streak to nine.

Go New York Go New York Go.

213 comments on “2013 Game thread: Knicks @ Heat

  1. steveoh

    No LeBron. No Wade. No nerves? No chance. This game makes me paranoid for a letdown.

    Let’s keep it going. Let’s blow them out early and then ride to the victory.

  2. johnlocke

    You know it won’t be that easy steveoh.

    intrigued to see if Martin can guard Bosh effectively. Both Chandler and Amare have had issues guarding him

    steveoh:
    No LeBron. No Wade. No nerves? No chance. This game makes me paranoid for a letdown.

    Let’s keep it going. Let’s blow them out early and then ride to the victory.

  3. d-mar

    TNT rolling out its B teams for both pregame commentary and play by play. I guess Charles and Kenny are busy preparing for a game that’s 4 days away.

  4. yellowboy90

    They have been there since the Tourney. Also, I think I’d rather listen to Anthony over Miller and its a toss up with Kerr.

  5. lavor postell

    I’m happy Norris Cole is tearing up apart our pNr defense. It’d been awhile since we made a below average point guard look like a borderline All-Star.

  6. Nick C.

    Should that be on Chandler?

    lavor postell:
    I’m happy Norris Cole is tearing up apart our pNr defense.It’d been awhile since we made a below average point guard look like a borderline All-Star.

  7. lavor postell

    Nick C.:
    Should that be on Chandler?

    I don’t think so. Felton and Prigs haven’t exactly been killing themselves to get over the screens or switch effectively.

  8. lavor postell

    er:
    I’m convinced Melo is the most disrespect star in the nba how the fuck was that a tech

    Because we’re playing Miami

  9. d-mar

    It looks like the Miami scrubs want to prove something, I would really really hate to lose this game

  10. johnlocke

    Felton in my mind was largely responsible for the first quarter being so close with his turnovers and bad decisions…

  11. johnlocke

    We need to put more ball pressure on whoever is playing PG for these guys right now

  12. AnonymousODG

    Chandler should not have started. Not smart on Woodson’s part. He must have seen how San Antonio wilted underneath this Heat bench squad’s defense.

    er:
    I’m convinced Melo is the most disrespect star in the nba how the fuck was that a tech

    You play through the whistle until the play is finished. The exception being you start hearing multiple repeated whistles. That’s a player maxim. Whoever that ref was, he is a piece of garbage and that was a garbage call.

    Yes, it is exceptionally hard to make good officiating decisions in such a fast-paced game like pro-basketball. But I also believe it is even harder to make retarded, disconnected calls out of the blue. It’s simply absurd for referees to insert themselves into an NBA game like that.

    A streaker running out onto the court has more place in an NBA game than sh1t like this. F#ck that guy.

  13. rohank

    Mike Miller just bounced the ball into the crowd. That better be a fucking tech after that weak-ass call on Melo

  14. lavor postell

    It’s obvious that the Knicks aren’t going to get many calls tonight. Jut going to have play through it.

  15. johnlocke

    delay of game I’m sure … but should be a tech

    rohank:
    Mike Miller just bounced the ball into the crowd. That better be a fucking tech after that weak-ass call on Melo

  16. rohank

    Melo is straight up unconscious tonight. Will he go for 50? They might need it the way everyone else is playing

  17. AnonymousODG

    I’m dumbfounded that Woodson continues to try to play small ball against the Heat. Dumbfounded, but not surprised.

    Prig not getting a charge when that guy is in the air and passing it off and barreling him over is just terrible. So terrible.

  18. maxwell_3g

    OK. Greg anthony has taken all of a half of basketball to diagnose what a disaster our switching defense is…..can we hiure him as a defensive coordinator?

  19. d-mar

    The Heat are reminding me of the Bulls without Rose, playing ferocious D and being smart on offense. Scary to think what the score would be if Melo hadn’t made basically every shot he took.

  20. maxwell_3g

    AnonymousODG:
    I’m dumbfounded that Woodson continues to try to play small ball against the Heat.Dumbfounded, but not surprised.

    Prig not getting a charge when that guy is in the air and passing it off and barreling him over is just terrible.So terrible.

    i dont mind that no call at all. i think the slide in charges are lame as hell. hiowever, battier constantly gets that call. its the inconsistency that ps me off, not the no call

  21. lavor postell

    cgreene:
    Switching leads to unnecessary double team leads to wide open 3.Fuckin unreal.

    I’m almost a hundred percent sure at this point the Knicks will lose this game. Miami is simply playing harder. Miller has two fucking putbacks already. Our rotations are lazy which is exacerbated by the stupidity of our switching.

  22. maxwell_3g

    it would seem that we should actually have a defensive strategy, like funneling the heat offense to the haslem baseline jumper (which he makes 20% of the time) every time. remeber when other teams forced the ball to brewer. why dont we ever do that?

  23. johnlocke

    Our overaggressiveness is hurting… we need to back off these guys and have them take midrange jumpers instead of pressing and being beaten off the dribble constantly

    lavor postell: I’m almost a hundred percent sure at this point the Knicks will lose this game.Miami is simply playing harder.Miller has two fucking putbacks already.Our rotations are lazy which is exacerbated by the stupidity of our switching.

  24. AnonymousODG

    cgreene:
    Switching leads to unnecessary double team leads to wide open 3.Fuckin unreal.

    If it were double-teaming James or Wade, I could understand. Double-teaming Lewis when he’s not even near the paint is just 10 lbs of stupid in a 5 lb bag.

  25. cgreene

    maxwell_3g:
    it would seem that we should actually have a defensive strategy, like funneling the heat offense to the haslem baseline jumper (which he makes 20% of the time) every time.remeber when other teams forced the ball to brewer.why dont we ever do that?

    It’s not just that we don’t have a strategy it’s that they are actually dictating it bc they know we will switch. They simply rub us off a screen and get Lewis on Prigs force the double team and get a wide open 3.

  26. johnlocke

    Fucking pathetic defensive half..so disgusted. Where is the coaching? Our defensive strategy is SO moronic.

  27. lavor postell

    Why not play a zone against a team who literally have nobody on the roster that can break down a set defense off the dribble right now? I can live with any kind of defensive strategy that isn’t let them drive straight down the middle of the lane for easy hoops. 28-6 points in the paint? What the fuck is going on?

  28. johnlocke

    How we play this 2nd half will tell me a lot. We can either fold or start playing better defense. We only need to double Bosh, no one else in the post. We need to give some space on the perimeter and stay in front of penetration. It’s really not rocket science.

  29. Thomas B. Post author

    Felton plays like he is wearing oven mitts. I’m not sure if that is a fat joke or a poor ball handling joke. Take your pick.

  30. lavor postell

    Chandler you’ve got to be fucking kidding me. Seriously if he’s not healthy then don’t come back. And if he is healthy then i am very worried about his inability to make good plays on defense.

  31. AnonymousODG

    Chandler is playing about as terribly as Felton is. And that’s terribad. Get both of them out of there.

  32. Thomas B. Post author

    Reigning DPOY. I know I know, he’s just rusty. Yes of course that’s why he would foul Bosh on the a three point attempt. Sigh.

  33. johnlocke

    couple good defensive possessions… let’s give chandler a lil break and my goodness Melo …is he going for a record?????

  34. johnlocke

    and by lil break for chandler…I mean pin his butt to the bench for a little while, he’s just coming back from injury

  35. Thomas B. Post author

    I wonder if those aliens from “Space Jam” stole Tyson Chandler’s abilities. Can we get Bugs Bunny to check on that?

  36. d-mar

    You know the Heat are going to start throwing a lot of double and triple teams at Melo, so the Knicks will have to just hit open shots to win this game

  37. Thomas B. Post author

    johnlocke:
    and by lil break for chandler…I mean pin his butt to the bench for a little while, he’s just coming back from injury

    Did he sprain his will to play good defense?

  38. AnonymousODG

    Thomas B.:
    Reigning DPOY.I know I know, he’s just rusty.Yes of course that’s why he would foul Bosh on the a three point attempt.Sigh.

    He doesn’t look rusty to me. He looks like he is playing the same exact sort of impotent defense he was playing before he got injured. It looks like he’s being forced to compensate for gaps in our defense when he keeps rushing out to defend a guard on the perimeter, but it’s just bad team defense to start. The sort of bad team defense we did not see when KMart was in there.

    Melo is keeping us in it with a hero performance though.

  39. johnlocke

    If they’re going to double Melo, I don’t want to see open Kidd three pointers… i want to see open Novak three pointers. His defense however….

  40. johnlocke

    ha, Kenyon’s just been a better defender. Tyson’s timing is off however, as expected.

    Thomas B.: Did he sprain his will to play good defense?

  41. johnlocke

    The words “Ray Allen” and “Mike Miller” and “blow by” should never be in the same sentence..

    Thomas B.:
    Sad part is, Kidd was moving at full speed as Allen blew by him.

  42. Unreason

    For the 4th qtr the scorekeepers should just award the Knicks 2 points whenever the ball gets into Melo’s hands. Save everyone a lot of unnecessary time and effort.

  43. d-mar

    johnlocke:
    If they’re going to double Melo, I don’t want to see open Kidd three pointers… i want to see open Novak three pointers.His defense however….

    Ask and ye shall receive

  44. bocker84

    So we’re up at the end of the third and our #1 scorer is playing like a demi-god born with a basketball in his hand and a flamethrower in the other… and I still feel like we’re outright losing by 50??

    God I love/loathe being a Knicks fan.

  45. lavor postell

    Seriously why do we need to switch there? This is just absurd. We are actually making it much easier for them to compete.

  46. AnonymousODG

    Frustrating when a great performance by Melo could still be outweighed by a subpar performance by JR, a poor performance by Felton, and a sh1t performance from Chandler.

    The thing is, the latter two could be fixed simply by sitting their butts down but we all know Woodson won’t do it because it offends some obscure ancient deity of wrath. We need JR to wake up (defense has been awful), Felton not to finish 2/12, and Novak/Shump to bail us out here and there… or have our offense run through Copeland, as Woodson has just chosen to do.

    ………….. it’s just stupid enough to work. Throw enough stupid at the Heat’s smart ball and we might just throw them off their game!

  47. johnlocke

    well chandler has been sitting for a while…so that’s good. Felton has picked it up…Kidd however has done nothing this game…I’d rather see Prigioni (I think)

    AnonymousODG:
    Frustrating when a great performance by Melo could still be outweighed by a subpar performance by JR, a poor performance by Felton, and a sh1t performance from Chandler.

    The thing is, the latter two could be fixed simply by sitting their butts down but we all know Woodson won’t do it because it offends some obscure ancient deity of wrath.We need JR to wake up (defense has been awful), Felton not to finish 2/12, and Novak/Shump to bail us out here and there… or have our offense run through Copeland, as Woodson has just chosen to do.

    ………….. it’s just stupid enough to work.Throw enough stupid at the Heat’s smart ball and we might just throw them off their game!

  48. lavor postell

    johnlocke:
    just about to say bad shot by raymond…. nevermind

    In fairness he almost had to create his own shot there with the clock running down. Knockout blow here would be great.

  49. d-mar

    The announcers completely ignoring that Allen got a delay of game earlier for taking a shot after the whistle

  50. johnlocke

    So annoyed with woodson right now… let’s take out the guy that spaces the floor and leave Kidd – the guy getting burned by allen and passing up open threes

  51. Thomas B. Post author

    There are times when Smith needs to realize that he can pass it out. Somebody was open.

  52. lavor postell

    Our offense should be really fucking simple. Get Melo on the block and let him do work. The worst thing that’s happened is he’s missed, rarely, or we’ve gotten wide open looks off of ball rotation.

  53. Garson

    Would like to see a Felton, jr, melo , Kenyon smash, Chandler lineup in crunch time… Aside from missing shump, I feel like that’s our best mix of o an d … This of course with good jr.

  54. johnlocke

    Why won’t Melo get out of the post like he does against every other team to catch the ball

  55. AnonymousODG

    Chandler’s first play coming in is a turnover. That’s not even the worst part. He has one rebound in 20 minutes. Just… just… wtf.

  56. d-mar

    d-mar: If we actually do face Miami in the playoffs, we’re gonna have to figure that out

    “that” being Miami fronting Melo in the post

  57. johnlocke

    It’s easy… don’t run the same play every single time…run hi mof a screen like the last four plays or get him off penetration

    d-mar: If we actually do face Miami in the playoffs, we’re gonna have to figure that out

  58. lavor postell

    I’m happy that this bad JR still is trying to get to the rim. He clearly hasn’t adjusted to teams actually respecting his drive consistently now.

  59. johnlocke

    Man, bout that time. JR has to remember that mix it up means both driving and jumpers, not just one or the other. Great win!

    lavor postell:
    Game. Set. Match.

  60. d-mar

    Thank God, I don’t think I could have taken the “Knicks can’t even beat the Heat without their best players” drumbeat we would have heard tomorrow from the sports media

  61. AnonymousODG

    I love how anally violated Battier is. The very definition of butthurt is written all over his face.

  62. lavor postell

    johnlocke:
    Man, bout that time. JR has to remember that mix it up means both driving and jumpers, not just one or the other. Great win!

    This +200000.

    That’s what’s held him back so much in his career. He can make terrible shots so it enabled him to keep taking the worst shots possible. Now that he’s driving it’s like he’s completely forgot about his pull-up and step back. He just needs to figure out how to incorporate all the various elements into a cohesive game. The positive again though is he was attacking and didn’t revert to the ridiculous off balance 20 footers.

  63. yellowboy90

    Although Tyson did not play well I did like some of the hard fouls he made. Something Kenyon has done since he has been with the Knicks. I’ll put his play tonight on the injury though.

  64. massive

    50 points in the house Wade built and LeBron pays the bills in.

    The way Miami is playing has no bearing on their post season basketball. Unless they plan on playing LeBron at the 5, they will never have 4 floor spacers on the floor at the same time. So while they may have been tough tonight (and every other night), I don’t think it’s a “when they add Wade and LeBron, they’re gonna be a super unbeatable monster that scores 120 a night” thing with them.

  65. ruruland

    A low energy win against a Heat team at home that just beat San Antonio.

    Melo might not be able to do what other great players can do in terms of playing injured over a lond period, but when he’s healthy……

    Like HE said, he’s feeling healthy now. When that stroke is locked in… This won’t be over tomorrow.

    He let everything come to him to — in energy reserve mode for a bigger game tomorrow.

    Remember, it was when he injured his hamstring and couldn’t really move that he found his stroke last year.

    A few timely burst of energy from the team on defense. All they needed tonight.

    Chandler will need to improve his effort obviously, but it takes awhile to get the rust out and legs back.

  66. JR Sec 112

    So, given the difference in eras (80s more high scoring), and considering Bernard took 26 FTs in his 60 point game and that Battier was on Melo most of the night and Melo only went to the line 8 times….was that perhaps the greatest scoring performance in Knicks history?

  67. jon abbey

    a lot of that was on Battier, and considering how little offensive help he was getting from his teammates and how few shots he took (he somehow got 50 in the flow!), that has to be up there with Melo’s best regular season offensive games ever. first, ruru?

    Martin threw down so hard on Birdman, Birdman got a T for delay of the game just holding the ball afterwards, seemingly stunned. I have never seen that, he has to be the baddest ass Knick since Oakley/Mason. his motor is like he is 25, some great three point contests from him tonight.

    nice to see that block from Chandler at the end, but before that, that might have been the worst game I’ve ever seen him play. hopefully it was mostly rust, but it seemed like he had no elevation or presence, only two boards against those tiny lineups.

    9 in a row! they can’t expect anything near that from Melo again tomorrow, we need a much better effort from everyone else to keep this going.

  68. ruruland

    massive:
    50 points in the house Wade built and LeBron pays the bills in.

    The way Miami is playing has no bearing on their post season basketball. Unless they plan on playing LeBron at the 5, they will never have 4 floor spacers on the floor at the same time. So while they may have been tough tonight (and every other night), I don’t think it’s a “when they add Wade and LeBron, they’re gonna be a super unbeatable monster that scores 120 a night” thing with them.

    Obviously diminishing returns.

    Bosh, Miller, Battier and others can come close to matching scoring production in short stints.

    They played loose, free and with a lot more energy than the Knicks, just like the Knicks did the first game Melo went out.

    That’s how it generally works.

  69. Douglas

    That was a very satisfying win.

    The Knicks STOPPED SWITCHING after the half (at least b/w guards and bigs) and started fighting over screens with gusto.

    Tyson redeemed himself for 20-odd minutes of middling play with manful defense in the 4th quarter and a most thunderous block on Bosh. It sounded like a cannon going off in the arena.

    Melo caps off a quiet 50 (if any 50 point game can be described as that) with a hearty “BITCH!” after sinking a jumper in Battier’s face.

    The scouting report is out on Good JR and like several of you have said he needs to be intentional about mixing in his jumper from now on.

  70. jon abbey

    also, all that Felton hate upthread, he had more assists in this game than any two other players, from either team.

  71. er

    JR Sec 112:
    So, given the difference in eras (80s more high scoring), and considering Bernard took 26 FTs in his 60 point game and that Battier was on Melo most of the night and Melo only went to the line 8 times….was that perhaps the greatest scoring performance in Knicks history?

    my brother and i were talking and we both counted 0 layups/dunks for melo. all jumpers for 50 that is incredible, let me know if i have my count wrong by we had 0 “easy shots”

  72. lavor postell

    The biggest positive was Chandler giving complete effort on defense at the end of the game. Hopefully he can begin to sustain 30+ minutes like he played the last 4 tonight.

  73. johnlocke

    Chandler was pretty terrible.. 1 point, 2 rebounds, 3 turnovers in 24 minutes.

    Kidd was also useless…0 points, 1 assist, 2 steals (and having Ray Allen ‘blow by’ him) in 27 minutes.

    Chandler rust I understand, but we’re going to need much more from Kidd consistently, esp. in the playoffs if he’s going to be playing 27 minutes per game. Prigioni only played 13 mins — should have played more.

    ruruland:

    Chandler will need to improve his effort obviously, but it takes awhile to get the rust out and legs back.

  74. ruruland

    Also, when Miller and Cole play like that surrounded by Bosh and Battier, that is still a very solid team.

    I’ll be back in half-hour.

  75. johnlocke

    The hate was well deserved in that first quarter to be fair… but he played much much better later on

    jon abbey:
    also, all that Felton hate upthread, he had more assists in this game than any two other players, from either team.

  76. er

    Is the consensus on this board still that Tyson is most indispensable player. Because i have always been on the other side of that debate.

  77. jon abbey

    ruruland:
    Also, when Miller and Cole play like that surrounded by Bosh and Battier, that is still a very solid team.

    Allen too, I was getting Celtic flashbacks, like one of those horror villains you thought was gone for good but then appears again to stab over and over… :)

  78. JR Sec 112

    er: my brother and i were talking and we both counted 0 layups/dunks for melo. all jumpers for 50 that is incredible, let me know if i have my count wrong by we had 0 “easy shots”

    </blockquot

    I dont remember a single layup at all. 7 threes. Best shooting performance I can remember by a Knick and I've been watching most of the games for almost 30 years now. And in Miami against Battier. Seriously, this accomplishment needs to be appreciated. Amazing.

  79. Unreason

    How sweet will it be? the ferocious beating that will sap the swagger right out of Paul Pierce’s stride and send him shuffling dejectedly down the corridor and home for the summer after a one-sided first round pounding? Call me petty. I don’t care if they’re depleted. It will be sweet.

  80. ruruland

    jon abbey: Allen too, I was getting Celtic flashbacks, like one of those horror villains you thought was gone for good but then appears again to stab over and over… :)

    right, Allen doesn’t get older, he just gets more efficient (naturally a lot of it is shot distribution changes and reduced usage). that layup was ridiculous.

    Also, look at what Kobe is doing right now. He’s actually been healthy this year.

  81. Eternal OptiKnist

    amazing block by tyson…i hope he’s healthy and doesnt play the crap defense he’s given us most of the year…

  82. Eternal OptiKnist

    my magic number to lock up the #2 seed is 6 more wins. to me, the 2 seed is the difference between a second round exit and making the ECF..

  83. AnonymousODG

    jon abbey:
    also, all that Felton hate upthread, he had more assists in this game than any two other players, from either team.

    When Melo is shooting 70% from the field, simply throwing the ball in his general vicinity is an assist, so not really. His play was rather awful (both offense and defense) tonight until he managed to put in a lucky shot off of a completely broken offensive possession that saw him stumbling about 25 feet from the hoop. By then, Norris Cole was playing like a complete goon and was almost single-handedly responsible for stalling the Heat offense outright.

    If those assists had little to do with Melo, I’m happy to be convinced otherwise.

  84. JC Knickfan

    JR Sec 112:
    So, given the difference in eras (80s more high scoring), and considering Bernard took 26 FTs in his 60 point game and that Battier was on Melo most of the night and Melo only went to the line 8 times….was that perhaps the greatest scoring performance in Knicks history?

    Jamal Crawford had 52 point game in win against Miami. He was 8-10 3’s, 4-4 FT and 20-30. Melo does have better TS% 0.846 vs 0.819

  85. Z-man

    Felton was god-awful in the first half, but really stepped it up in the 4th. Nice job, Ray! Please stop shooting off your mouth, though.

    Tyson’s block was truly awesome, DPOY stuff. Very encouraging, considering the potential severity of his injury.

    The Heat, even w/o Wade and LBJ, are a talented, well-coached, veteran team. You could tell that the guys who played really wanted this one and got some mojo going in the first 3 quarters. It takes some grit to grind out this kind of game on the road. Nice job, boys!

    Another big one tomorrow!

  86. jon abbey

    it is shocking that Melo’s top 5 scoring games in his career (including tonight) have all been amazingly efficient, no bulk 35 shot outings in there:

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=anthoca01&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_is_eds=Y&round_is_edf=Y&round_is_ec1=Y&round_is_ecs=Y&round_is_ecf=Y&round_is_wds=Y&round_is_wdf=Y&round_is_wc1=Y&round_is_wcs=Y&round_is_wcf=Y&round_is_fin=Y&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_GF=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=40&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=pts

  87. yellowboy90

    ruruland: Obviously diminishing returns.

    Bosh, Miller, Battier and others can come close to matching scoring production in short stints.

    They played loose, free and with a lot more energy than the Knicks, just like the Knicks did the first game Melo went out.

    That’s how it generally works.

    Unfortunately it looks like they will have 4 floor spacers on the floor if Bosh is doing his thing. Chalmers, Bosh, Lebron, and Allen/Battier all can hit the 3 with Wade being the one none shooter.

    The ability of Bosh to hit the 3 is semi-scary.

  88. Eternal OptiKnist

    er: Is the consensus on this board still that Tyson is most indispensable player. Because i have always been on the other side of that debate.

    to a certain degree. ive not been thrilled with him this season though. He makes $14mm to play d, rebound and block shots..he’s underachieved in my eyes. Now he’s been off for 2 weeks and is hopefully healthy. Time for him to dominate. He should be the most indespensible but i feel like he’s skated on his reputation a bit. Time to make it happen now though..

  89. AnonymousODG

    JR Sec 112:
    So, given the difference in eras (80s more high scoring), and considering Bernard took 26 FTs in his 60 point game and that Battier was on Melo most of the night and Melo only went to the line 8 times….was that perhaps the greatest scoring performance in Knicks history?

    Crawford making 16 straight shots and finishing with 52 points is the greatest scoring performance I’ve ever watched. I am convinced that unless you watched it live (or there’s some really good montage floating out there on Youtube), you just wouldn’t understand the difference between a great performance (like Melo’s tonight) and a transcendent one like Crawford’s.

  90. BigBlueAL

    JR Sec 112:
    So, given the difference in eras (80s more high scoring), and considering Bernard took 26 FTs in his 60 point game and that Battier was on Melo most of the night and Melo only went to the line 8 times….was that perhaps the greatest scoring performance in Knicks history?

    I dont remember any of BK’s games or even Ewing’s games of 50. The 2 games I compare tonight too is Allan Houston scoring 53 in 2003 at LA vs Kobe while shooting 18 for 29 (4 for 5 from 3pt, 13 for 15 FT) and the best one for me was Crawford’s 52 vs Miami at MSG in 2007 where he shot 20 for 30 including 8 for 10 from 3pt range. Believe he made like 16 shots in a row in one stretch.

  91. jon abbey

    AnonymousODG: When Melo is shooting 70% from the field, simply throwing the ball in his general vicinity is an assist, so not really

    no one else was doing it, and a lot of those Melo looks were wide open.

  92. johnlocke

    I love Jim Cavan’s take on Melo’s hot night on Twitter:

    “I BARELY pee in my own toilet this accurately.”

  93. ruruland

    Also, that was Melo’s second 50 point game against Battier. Last time in Denver he went 16-24 (a Nuggets loss).

    Battier had Melo’s number early in his career, but has figured him out like he did Trenton Hassel and Bruce Bowen earlier in his career.

    That was Melo’s seventh game of 35 or more points on Battier. He has 6 games between 30-35 for a total of 13 games of 30 or more points in 27.

    The kicker: Melo has scored 30 or more points in 13 of his last 19 games against Battier.

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=anthoca01&p2=battish01

  94. BigBlueAL

    Eternal OptiKnist:
    my magic number to lock up the #2 seed is 6 more wins. to me, the 2 seed is the difference between a second round exit and making the ECF..

    I want the 2 seed badly because it guarantees no Chicago in the 1st round. But if they are the 3 seed Im not going to think any differently of their chances vs Indiana in the 2nd round, homecourt or not its gonna be a toss-up series to me. Just hope if they do finish 3rd they play Atlanta in the 1st round and not Chicago.

  95. lavor postell

    Best game for Melo as a Knick other than the 42-17 Melo and 4 lawn chairs game in Boston and Easter against the Bulls at the Garden.

  96. massive

    I think we need to give a lot of credit to Woodson for cutting out the switching and Felton for getting over those screens all 2nd half. The Heat scored 58 in the 1st half, and 32 in the 2nd half. That type of adjustment is what makes a good coach great.

  97. lavor postell

    BigBlueAL: I dont remember any of BK’s games or even Ewing’s games of 50.The 2 games I compare tonight too is Allan Houston scoring 53 in 2003 at LA vs Kobe while shooting 18 for 29 (4 for 5 from 3pt, 13 for 15 FT) and the best one for me was Crawford’s 52 vs Miami at MSG in 2007 where he shot 20 for 30 including 8 for 10 from 3pt range.Believe he made like 16 shots in a row in one stretch.

    I agree. The Houston game was really something too because that was during Kobe’s 40+ streak. If I’m not mistaken Kobe had 42 that night and Shaq was out injured. Even then 53 for that Knicks team at Staples against that Lakers team while outdueling Kobe in that form was impressive.

  98. johnlocke

    apparently Shump was one of the guys f*ing up on the rotations. He says he was one of the guys that got yelled at, at halftime

    massive:
    I think we need to give a lot of credit to Woodson for cutting out the switching and Felton for getting over those screens all 2nd half. The Heat scored 58 in the 1st half, and 32 in the 2nd half. That type of adjustment is what makes a good coach great.

  99. JR Sec 112

    Thing about the Crawford game was, he went on that run after halftime when the knicks already had a 20 point lead. So it was basically a blowout at home against a mediocre Heat team. This one on the road in basically a must-win (to get the 2 seed) in a tight game. Since the first quarter was his best quarter, it felt under the radar. But I think I might rank it best I have ever seen in the regular season.

  100. ruruland

    Stat of the night though:

    This was the ninth 50 point game with zero turnovers since NBA stats were archived in 1985.

    There have been 172 50 points games in that near 30 year span.

    WOW!

    http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&year_min=1986&year_max=2013&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=N&round_is_eds=Y&round_is_edf=Y&round_is_ec1=Y&round_is_ecs=Y&round_is_ecf=Y&round_is_wds=Y&round_is_wdf=Y&round_is_wc1=Y&round_is_wcs=Y&round_is_wcf=Y&round_is_fin=Y&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=50&c2stat=tov&c2comp=gt&c2val=0&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&is_dbl_dbl=&is_trp_dbl=&order_by=pts&order_by_asc=&offset=100

  101. DRed

    First half was hideous, but we pulled it together and I’ll take that. All wins are great at this point of the season

  102. JC Knickfan

    I pretty sure Allan Houston had 2 50 pt games with very high TS%. Going have to look that up.

    Anyway – tonight was very impressive performance by Melo with very good defender on him.

    But from playoff preview it really mean shit. Happy we got win and rather have 2nd seed and play Bean-town then Chi-town. Also I want home court vs Indy.

  103. JR Sec 112

    Fair point on the Houston game. Of course, none of this compares to Bernard in the playoffs in 1984. No one can ever top that 5 game series against Detroit.

  104. lavor postell

    JR Sec 112:
    Thing about the Crawford game was, he went on that run after halftime when the knicks already had a 20 point lead.So it was basically a blowout at home against a mediocre Heat team.This one on the road in basically a must-win (to get the 2 seed) in a tight game.Since the first quarter was his best quarter, it felt under the radar.But I think I might rank it best I have ever seen in the regular season.

    Crawford also essentially hijacked the offense and happened to be on fire hitting a ton of shitty mid-range jumpers, step backs, floaters, etc.

    Melo got his tonight almost completely within the flow of the offense. He attacked and was decisive with the ball. Even when he moved the ball he did so quickly without taking 6 seconds to jab step and destroy any fluidity. Everything was done with purpose and there was such a great and efficient economy of movement. It almost felt like he didn’t break a sweat in the first half.

  105. AnonymousODG

    JR Sec 112:
    Thing about the Crawford game was, he went on that run after halftime when the knicks already had a 20 point lead.So it was basically a blowout at home against a mediocre Heat team.This one on the road in basically a must-win (to get the 2 seed) in a tight game.Since the first quarter was his best quarter, it felt under the radar.But I think I might rank it best I have ever seen in the regular season.

    Your memory is off, or you read something wrong off the internet. By the time the Knicks went up 20 (which occured late in the 3rd), Crawford had hit his 14th or 15th consecutive shot. Crawford himself was almost entirely responsible for that 20 pt lead. Crawford also did that against ’06-07 Wade. Not ’12-13 Battier.

    jon abbey: no one else was doing it, and a lot of those Melo looks were wide open.

    Prig and Kid barely handled the ball tonight… who else would pass it to Melo? And pointing out the wide open looks only accentuates my point, it doesn’t detract from it. Either way, Felton was, in sexual terms, a “hot lunch” of a player tonight. And by the time he managed to score two consecutive baskets, draw a foul and make two free throws was when Norris Cole had clearly usurped his position as “worst point guard ever” for the night.

  106. ruruland

    jon abbey:
    Miami losses by more than 10 this season:

    NY-3
    rest of league combined-3

    I mentioned this last week.

    The Heat have lost three times by 20 with the big three in lineup since they came together two years ago, two of those of course have come to the Knicks this year (the other to the Spurs in SA).

    But nah, no chance of matching up with them.

  107. BigBlueAL

    Garson: 1994… According to The shmooz on 660 radio

    The famous 15 game winning streak inspired by a trip to Reno lol.

  108. ruruland

    lavor postell: Crawford also essentially hijacked the offense and happened to be on fire hitting a ton of shitty mid-range jumpers, step backs, floaters, etc.

    Melo got his tonight almost completely within the flow of the offense.He attacked and was decisive with the ball.Even when he moved the ball he did so quickly without taking 6 seconds to jab step and destroy any fluidity.Everything was done with purpose and there was such a great and efficient economy of movement.It almost felt like he didn’t break a sweat in the first half.

    How many guys in league history could consistently score 30 plus points driving/on the block and then drop 50 with all jumpers?

  109. jon abbey

    ruruland:

    But nah, no chance of matching up with them.

    I think the problem still is getting to them, the road to a title couldn’t look much tougher right now: BOS or CHI, IND, MIA, probably OKC.

  110. lavor postell

    ruruland: How many guys in league history could consistently score 30 plus points driving/on the block and then drop 50 with all jumpers?

    Can’t think of too many. Jordan, Kobe, Dirk, Durant, Bird and Baylor (this is based on not much film study so correct me if I’m wrong). Maybe Jerry West but I can’t say I know much of anything pre 1980’s.

  111. AnonymousODG

    JR Sec 112:
    http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/playbyplay?gameId=270126018&period=3

    29 of Crawford’s 52 in the 2nd half.25 of those after they had 20 point lead (never got closer than 16). Still a great game, but lets not pretend it happened in any sort of clutch circumstances.

    First of all, let’s focus on what you got wrong with your first comment. Crawford didn’t “start his run” only until after halftime when the Knicks were already up 20. The first half was competitive with Miami leading for its majority and with 3 minutes remaining only down 2. Crawford had half of his 16-in-a-row in the first half. You make it sound like the rest of the Knicks were tearing apart the Heat and Crawford just started after they were already done.

    Not true.

    Your new goalpost about “clutch” play is irrelevant. Crawford doesn’t need to apologize for crushing the Heat that night against ’06-07 Wade (who, btw, scored 37 that night) when we had a hobbled Marbury, no Curry, Jerome James at C, a benched Jeffries and Isiah Thomas coaching us.

    Like I said, if you didn’t watch it live, you basically don’t know what you’re talking about. But you might inform yourself a little better by actually watching clips of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZcqSoFsW3A

  112. BigBlueAL

    We have probably witnessed the 2 best shooting performances of the season, Melo tonight and Curry scoring 54 in MSG.

  113. Thomas B. Post author

    ruruland: I mentioned this last week.

    The Heat have lost three times by 20 with the big three in lineup since they came together two years ago, two of those of course have come to the Knicks this year (the other to the Spurs in SA).

    But nah, no chance of matching up with them.

    At least you finally admit it.

  114. jon abbey

    Thomas B.: What about Crawford’s 52 vs the Heat? He hit 16 in a row.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxKEou4vPHk

    a lot of that was in garbage time as mentioned above, the Nate game all of the points were necessary and it was against a decidedly better team than NY at the time.

    Thomas, here is my advice to you, seriously. keep an eye on this page:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/playoffodds

    and calibrate your hopes accordingly. right now mathematically we have a 4.4 percent chance to win the title. that’s still a long shot, but not 0.

  115. Thomas B. Post author

    I never said it was zero. I just know it aint good or favorable, or even fair. Hell it aint even mild. I’d take tepid.

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