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Thursday, July 31, 2014

2013 Game thread: Knicks @ Hawks

Sorry, folks, I’ve been trying to add a new thread for, like, a half hour and it just let me add it.

Anyhow, this is a really big game for the Knicks. Not only would it give them their first double digit winning streak in two decades, but it would knock the Hawks down in the quest to make sure that the Bulls are not the #6 seed. In addition, it obviously helps the Knicks get the #2 seed.

The Knicks toyed a bit with the Hawks to start the game, but the JR show has begun. I expect them to quickly pull away.

Let’s go Knicks!

106 comments on “2013 Game thread: Knicks @ Hawks

  1. AnonymousODG

    steveoh:
    Actually, the red light must be on at the Krispy Kreme on Ponce de Leon.

    Nope, can’t be. My proof? Felton is on the court.

  2. GHenman

    ODG you would have to give me an example of a women that you think could make it. I don’t believe Griner is better than any Knick I can think of. White or Copeland on this current team would destoy her. I thought I was being very generous in my assesment of Della Donne.

  3. BigBlueAL

    Knicks and Yankees playing at the same time and I have no interest whatsoever in the Yankee game (vs the Red Sox no less). How times have changed lol.

  4. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, I do think the level of talent needed to play at the professional level is being underrated when discussing stuff like female athletes playing professional basketball against male players. Look at someone like Adam Morrison. Dude could dominate in college and then barely play in the NBA. The disparity in talent is gigantic. I believe the top female basketball players could compete in college, but I don’t think they can make the leap to the NBA. Yet, at least. There very well could be someone who could make that leap. I don’t think Griner is that player.

  5. BigBlueAL

    Korver is lighting up the Knicks and they are lucky he has missed some wide open shots.

  6. Brian Cronin

    No offense to the Hawks, but I just don’t see how they can hang with the Knicks. I know I shouldn’t already be writing this one into the lefthand column, but it’s hard for me to not to think that.

  7. lavor postell

    BigBlueAL:
    I think Melo is still feeling it.

    His stroke looks so pure right now. He’s seeing the double teams and either spinning away from it or making the correct passes to force quick rotations by the defense leading to wide open 3′s. When Melo is scoring like this, it is nearly impossible to play defense because you either play him straight up or give up wide open treys.

  8. custer

    lavor postell: His stroke looks so pure right now.He’s seeing the double teams and either spinning away from it or making the correct passes to force quick rotations by the defense leading to wide open 3?s.When Melo is scoring like this, it is nearly impossible to play defense because you either play him straight up or give up wide open treys.

    Couldn’t agree more. Plus that dirk-like one legged fadeaway…filthy

  9. lavor postell

    custer: Couldn’t agree more. Plus that dirk-like one legged fadeaway…filthy

    That’s easily my favorite shot in the game. Got to be pretty awesome for Dirk to see Melo, Kobe and Durant all incorporate that shot into their games.

  10. jon abbey

    John Wall looks like another guy who the Berri-bots wrote off too early, Washington has played well over .500 with him in there this season.

  11. BigBlueAL

    I cant even watch the Yankee game during halftime they are that bad right now. For the first time ever Im thankful for being a Knicks fan so I dont have to watch the Yankees lol.

  12. AnonymousODG

    GHenman:
    ODG you would have to give me an example of a women that you think could make it. I don’t believe Griner is better than any Knick I can think of. White or Copeland on this current team would destoy her.I thought I was being very generous in my assesment of Della Donne.

    Pretty sure all I need to do is give you a list of terrible NBA players from any of the last 15 years who simply dressed in a uniform at any point during a season. Do you disagree?

    Moving onto points that strike me as being superficially obtuse: Women generally are undersized? Women generally can’t jump as high? Women generally can’t run as fast?

    Are you willing to tell me that there were no men in the NBA who were undersized, couldn’t jump for crap and couldn’t keep up? C’mon now. I’m beginning to get the same vibe from similar questions of women in military combat or the chatter over Asians in the NBA just as Yao Ming was entering the league. It’s not flattering.

  13. yellowboy90

    d-mar:
    “White Men Can Score (against NY)” starring Kyle Korver and Mike Miller

    Not only that they can guard just ask JR. I wonder if Novak becomes a stopper in practice.

  14. BigBlueAL

    Knicks should be blowing the Hawks out but they have made so many dumb plays on both ends that is keeping the Hawks in this game.

  15. custer

    worse defensive strategy, not doubling melo or leaving korver open for ten threes already?

  16. mr.JayP

    If the Knicks keep their offense this fluid. We will def. make some noise come playoff time.

  17. Hubert Davis

    How does Woodson stand on the sideline acting like that when Korver keeps getting left open? You got no one to blame but yourself. Well coached teams don’t have this problem.

  18. BigBlueAL

    Games like tonight is why there isnt a snowball’s chance in hell JR will be getting a big contract offer from another team this off-season.

  19. lavor postell

    Bad JR is back. This is why we will undoubtedly be able to hold on to him this summer. Nobody’s giving him more than the 5-6 mill we’ll be able too.

  20. BigBlueAL

    The thing with JR is that when he is bad he is so awful everyone notices it. There is no such thing as a quit bad game by JR lol.

  21. lavor postell

    Why do we need to double Josh Smith in the post? This pointless double teams are becoming irritating. It’s one thing when Kidd does it because he has incredible hands and always seems to knock the ball loose. It’s another thing entirely when Felton does it with his little penguin arms incapable of obstructing the pass out of the post usually to his man for an in rhythm, wide open three.

  22. jon abbey

    ruruland:
    Still don’t think Amare is a huge part of this?

    yep, Chandler is killing them again tonight on both ends. they had no problem scoring with no Amar’e and no Chandler clogging the middle and doing nothing.

  23. Brian Cronin

    I wouldn’t say Amar’e's absence led to the winning streak, but at the same time, I also wouldn’t attribute their first rough game after nine straight wins to his absence, either.

    Also, they’re going to win this game, so it is not like this is even that big of a deal.

  24. BigBlueAL

    Its the 2nd of a back-to-back and the first rough game offensively in weeks. Im not that upset about the offense as much as I am with the defense tonight.

  25. jon abbey

    unless Amar’e would have been the one covering Korver, I don’t think his absence matters here.

  26. BigBlueAL

    Actually both teams are shooting 50% so the Knicks offense isnt exactly struggling either.

  27. dr.mmfmf

    Felton with three straight open layups. If I were a Hawks fan I’d probably be ready to jump into a bathtub full of hot pasta sauce.

  28. EB

    Somebody made voodoo dolls of the knicks in skyrim. Arrow to the knee…

    BigBlueAL:
    KMart is out rest of the game with a sore right knee.

  29. Darrell H.

    Hubert Davis:
    Did I just hear Martin has the dreaded “sore right knee”?

    Woodson is terrible with minutes. He drives anyone doing well into the ground. Amar’e. Next Martin. Next JR?

    Drives me crazy!

  30. Brian Cronin

    Now we just need Indiana to start losing games! The Knicks are about to win their tenth in a row and have gained a game and a half in the standings, and that half game is only because Indiana isn’t playing tonight! Fuck the heck?! They lost eleven out of six (or something like that) and only lost a game in the standings and now they win 10 straight and only gain that game back? Madness!!!

  31. lavor postell

    Amazing how much road support the Knicks get. Got to be the best in the league. Certainly the most vocal.

  32. Hubert Davis

    lavor postell:
    Amazing how much road support the Knicks get.Got to be the best in the league.Certainly the most vocal.

    Atlanta is basically a suburb of NYC.

  33. flossy

    Amazing that the Knicks managed to play such bad-seeming defense for so long and then just coldly step on Atlanta’s neck in the 4th. I guess we should be used to it by now though.

  34. Hubert Davis

    Brian Cronin:
    Now we just need Indiana to start losing games!

    Looking at their schedule it’s hard to see where the losses will come from.

    They have OKC at home on the 2nd night of b2b for OKC, who play San Antonio the day before. I’d expect them to pull that off.

    At Washington could be tricky.

    At us.

    I still think we’re the 3 seed. But as long as we’re healthy & rested I like our chances.

  35. Brian Cronin

    Brian wasnt worried for a second tonight :-)

    Ha! It’s honestly more a matter of having no respect for Atlanta than faith in the Knicks. Not that I don’t have faith in the Knicks, but it is more that I have little to no respect for the Hawks.

  36. flossy

    Those thunderous MVP chants almost make me feel a little bad for the Hawks. That team is weak as hell, though.

  37. lavor postell

    flossy:
    Those thunderous MVP chants almost make me feel a little bad for the Hawks.That team is weak as hell, though.

    Gotta think though if Louis Williams had stayed healthy they’d be a dangerous team. Probably would have been better than last year by swapping iso-Joe for Sweet Lou.

  38. AnonymousODG

    I have to wonder whether Felton and JR finally waking up in the 4th quarter has more to do with playing fewer minutes than typical NBA starters because of Woodson’s atypical rotating lineup. Just goes to show you how important the 4th quarter is when terrible 1st-3rd quarters + good 4th quarter = salvaging a good game performance.

    I also just saw that Degree deodorant commercial that shows Melo taking up boxing to help with his agility. How is that possible, given contractual clauses? He probably doesn’t spar… but hitting a heavy bag can do a real number on your wrists…

  39. EB

    I don’t think it really matters where we end up as long as we avoid Miami for as long as possible. We do this with either the 2 or 3 seed. Don’t give a shit if we play Boston or Chicago to start. There’s basically Miami and then the rest of the East playoff teams are fairly homogenous.

  40. GHenman

    AnonymousODG: Pretty sure all I need to do is give you a list of terrible NBA players from any of the last 15 years who simply dressed in a uniform at any point during a season. Do you disagree?Moving onto points that strike me as being superficially obtuse: Women generally are undersized? Women generally can’t jump as high? Women generally can’t run as fast?Are you willing to tell me that there were no men in the NBA who were undersized, couldn’t jump for crap and couldn’t keep up? C’mon now. I’m beginning to get the same vibe from similar questions of women in military combat or the chatter over Asians in the NBA just as Yao Ming was entering the league. It’s not flattering.

    ODG if you’re still out there, I don’t think my comment is sexist at all. I love to watch female athlete’s, but there are many high school centers that Griner would not be able to even get a shot off against. Anyone else care to weigh in on this one?

  41. BigBlueAL

    If I remember correctly from the graphic they showed last night on TNT of the longest Knicks winning streaks this is their 6th double digit winning streak, first since 1994.

  42. lavor postell

    GHenman: ODG if you’re still out there, I don’t think my comment is sexist at all.I love to watch female athlete’s, but there are many high school centers that Griner would not be able to even get a shot off against. Anyone else care to weigh in on this one?

    http://espn.go.com/womens-college-basketball/tournament/2013/story/_/id/9130719/geno-auriemma-pans-mark-cuban-suggestion-drafting-brittney-griner

    Geno Auriemma who knows more about women’s basketball than any of us doesn’t think she’d stand a chance. I tend to agree with his assessment.

  43. jon abbey

    BigBlueAL:
    If I remember correctly from the graphic they showed last night on TNT of the longest Knicks winning streaks this is their 6th double digit winning streak, first since 1994.

    second longest streak for NY since 1973!!! man, we are a sad franchise (and it’s hard to win 10 in a row even if you’re really good).

  44. Hubert Davis

    The Knicks can go 5-3 and earn the 2 seed IF they beat the Pacers in game 79 AND the Pacers lose one other game.

    If we go 6-2 and beat the Pacers the 2 seed is also ours

    My main concern is games 78-81 are 4 tough games in 5 nights:

    at Chicago
    at Cleveland
    Indiana
    at Charlotte

    That’s the stretch that we need to manage minutes avoid people breaking down before the playoffs.

  45. AnonymousODG

    GHenman: ODG if you’re still out there, I don’t think my comment is sexist at all.I love to watch female athlete’s, but there are many high school centers that Griner would not be able to even get a shot off against. Anyone else care to weigh in on this one?

    If you are specifically limiting your opinion to Griner, or other current NCAA women centers playing as, or against, NBA centers, then no, you aren’t being sexist. Just narrow. But as, or against, NBA guards? Yes, it strikes me as sexist. I’m beginning to feel offended by these arguments (and maybe that’s my fault), so we should probably stop this conversation.

  46. Z-man

    Nice time to be a Knicks-Mets fan, for a change!

    Drawing ATL in the first round would be great!

  47. AnonymousODG

    Hubert Davis:
    The Knicks can go 5-3 and earn the 2 seed IF they beat the Pacers in game 79 AND the Pacers lose one other game.

    If we go 6-2 and beat the Pacers the 2 seed is also ours

    My main concern is games 78-81 are 4 tough games in 5 nights:

    at Chicago
    at Cleveland
    Indiana
    at Charlotte

    That’s the stretch that we need to manage minutes avoid people breaking down before the playoffs.

    Securing homecourt advantage against IND in the 2nd round is of paramount importance. But beating CHI is also very important to help keep ATL at the 5 seed and not move down within IND’s reach. IND would tear apart ATL in the first round. I’d much rather have IND play CHI or BOS in the 1st round.

  48. GHenman

    We can stop the discussion ODG, I just want to say in my own defense that I am an African-American man. I am in favor women having equal opportunity in the military or anywhere else. I was a big fan of Ming. I was sad to see Lin go. I’m shocked that anything that I have posted on this subect would be seen as offensive. I also think that you should read Postell’s link @84 and watch a little bit of the McDonald’s All-American game on ESPN now.

  49. AnonymousODG

    GHenman:
    We can stop the discussion ODG, I just want to say in my own defense that I am an African-American man. I am in favor women having equal opportunity in the military or anywhere else.I was a big fan of Ming. I was sad to see Lin go.I’m shocked that anything that I have posted on this subect would be seen as offensive.I also think that you should read Postell’s link @84 and watch a little bit of the McDonald’s All-American game on ESPN now.

    The comments in Postell’s link refer to a single narrow situation: Griner as a C in the NBA. Had Griner been allowed to play with the boys, she might have the skillset and the physicality to compete as a guard. But that’s a what-if situation relying on parallel universe theorycrafting that dives into systemic issues and not at all what I care to discuss.

    There have been women who were more jack-of-all-trades type players who could excel at multiple positions, Cheryl Miller, for example. In any event, pointing out that Griner couldn’t compete against some high school centers =/= all women could never play at an NBA level at any position ever.

    I think the simplest, most inoffensive way to wrap up this conversation is by simply asking you to turn your observations around: have there ever been NBA players who have suited up, who also would be completely outmatched by most in the NBA, and probably would also get wrecked by NCAA and high school players dominant at their position?

  50. Z-man

    So with my golf analogy from a couple of days ago, with a 3-0 showing, we are at birdie!

    I thought this would be an OK one to lose, but happy for the win. Would love to beat OKC for the unlikely Celts-Heat-Thunder trifecta!

  51. GHenman

    ODG, I think anyone who can make an NBA roster is a one in a million athlete and earns millions of dollars for a reason. For example James White, who is often looked on as a scrub on this board, would be unstoppable in college or the WNBA. The only people on NBA rosters who would not dominate on a lower level are guys who are at the end of their careers, who would physically break down, i.e. half our current roster.

    I visited the campus of USC while Cheryl Miller was there. She was having a dispute with one of the writers on the school newspaper. They ended up playing one on one. She thoroughly emabarassed him. Could she have made the men’s team? I don’t think she could have and I think she is the greatest female basketball player ever. I also so Nancy Leiberman in her prime play against men in a summer league game at Riis Beach. She was able to hold her own against D3 level talent, but not dominate. I know they were D3 because they were my friends. I don’t think she could have competed well against higher level competion.

    You lost me with the parallel universe Griner becomes a guard theory. I guess I shouldn’t say no woman can ever play in the NBA, but I just have never seen anyone that I felt was remotely close. If she got a tryout, I think it would be a slap in the face to the thousands of James Whites out there who are more deserving.

    I do wonder how well Serena in her prime would have done on the Men’s tour. She had a 125 mph serve, a powerful two handed backhand and pretty good quickness and defense. Top 200 maybe?

  52. ruruland

    Iazzonnne- Kenyon Martin got in Ivan Johnson’s face after he and J.R. Smith got tangled up. Martin said he told Johnson:

    “not here, not today.”

    Martin has always been one to get his teammates’ back. It’s another example of the toughness he brings to the Knicks.

    “You know what I do, man,” Martin said. “I’ve got to protect my guys. Him and J.R. got tangled up or what not and I just let him know, ‘Not here, not today.’ It won’t go past today. It’s just basketball.

    “That’s what I’m going to do no matter who it is. Whether it’s Tyson, Sheed, don’t matter who it is. I take up for my guys no matter, just to let them know we’re a team out here so I got their back no matter what.”

  53. d-mar

    As well as we’re playing heading into the playoffs, I really shouldn’t care who we play in the 1st round. But the possibility of playing Boston and somehow losing to those a-holes would be the ultimate nightmare for Knicks fans and destroy everything we accomplished this season.

    Somebody please tell me there’s no way we would lose a series to the Celtics. I know we’d be the favorites and have home court and all, but if I have to watch Pierce strutting around the MSG floor after Boston pulls out a game 7, I might have to euthanize myself.

  54. BigBlueAL

    d-mar:
    As well as we’re playing heading into the playoffs, I really shouldn’t care who we play in the 1st round. But the possibility of playing Boston and somehow losing to those a-holes would be the ultimate nightmare for Knicks fans and destroy everything we accomplished this season.

    Somebody please tell me there’s no way we would lose a series to the Celtics. I know we’d be the favorites and have home court and all, but if I have to watch Pierce strutting around the MSG floor after Boston pulls out a game 7, I might have to euthanize myself.

    There is no chance in hell the Knicks lose to the Celtics in the playoffs this season.

  55. GHenman

    I would love for the C’s to slip to 8 and beat the hell out of Miami in the first round.

  56. Juany8

    jon abbey: interesting, although that is a pre-draft column (so no Beal) and I’m not sure how much overlap there is with the guys he thinks will contribute and the guys who actually have besides Wall.

    The Knicks were supposed to be the one seed one the strength of our Kidd-brewer-camby pickups. Only Kidd has actually contributed anything this season, and I don’t think there is a single intelligent basketball mind on this planet who thinks Kidd has been our second best player (and Melo a net negative lmao)

  57. Juany8

    GHenman, as far as your Serena comment, she could have played in the pros but not been any good. She’d probably be competitive with people around 300 in the world, you wouldn’t see her playing against anyone you knew. Tennis is not as athletically demanding as basketball though, a woman could shoot 90% on 3′s and still be a terrible NBA player because she wouldn’t have a prayer of guarding anybody, much less quick NBA level rotations.

    Anyone who thinks women can play in the NBA (other than some genetic freak in the future, like a female Lebron) is insulting the shit out of NBA players. Brian Scalibrini would be MVP every year in the WNBA, the “scrubs” in the NBA are all basketball superstars that just look inferior when playing against other monster players. Any women who would actually have the size to play against a guard would be playing power forward in the women’s game. How many power forwards have the speed to keep up with NBA guards at any level of play? Seriously, maybe women could compete in sports like golf, tennis, and soccer, but the NBA has the best athletes on the planet playing for it, as well as some of the most freakishly tall people on the entire planet.

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