2013 Comments Preview and Game Thread: Jazz v. Knicks
March 9th, 2013 by Thomas B. | Comments | Permalink |
Rather than post a content filled preview that nobody reads and does nothing more than give jon abbey a reason to be…well jon abbey, I’m going to skip the preview and get right to the best part of the game thread: in-game comments! So here is a preview of what I would have said if I wasn’t going to miss the game because I’m taking my parents to dinner.
Thomas B.
March 9, 2013 7:25 pm
Shump Shump
Thomas B.
March 9, 2013 7:33 pm
And the James White experience continues. I’m starting to miss Qyntel Woods.
Thomas B.
March 9, 2013 7:55 pm
Offense looks bad tonight, might as well bring in Shumpert.
Thomas B.
March 9, 2013 8:10 pm
Damn it J.R. enough with the cross court passes.
Thomas B.
March 9, 2013 8:19 pm
Ruruland,
Do you have any stats to back that up?!
Thomas B.
March 9, 2013 8:22 pm
Okay fine. I get it. You can stop now.
Thomas B.
March 9, 2013 8:40 pm
Damn when Martin fouls you, he fouls you.
Thomas B.
March 9, 2013 8:41 pm
They called that a flagrant!! Home cooking is supposed to work for the home team.
Thomas B.
March 9, 2013 9:13 pm
Can we sew Shumpert to the back of Novak and let Shump be the defensive side and Novak be the offensive side? It would be like a basketball version of a frosted mini-wheat.
Thomas B.
March 9, 2013 9:23 pm
Little known fact: Ray Felton has a twin brother who is a former StateFarm agent. It seems neither Felton was born to assist.
Thomas B.
March 9, 2013 9:40 pm
@ Big Blue AL
LOL!
Thomas B.
March 9, 2013 10:14 pm
I know Al Jefferson isn’t that good of a defensive player but Stat is just abusing him tonight.
Thomas B.
March 9, 2013 10:28 pm
Alright Woodson, stop drawing caricatures of the of the celebs and please give them a last shot play worth a darn.
Thomas B.
March 9, 2013 10:29 pm
I’m with Brian, against this front court we have to get something going to the basket. No fade away fall away crap.
Thomas B.
March 9, 2013 10:42 pm
The play that finally broke the server. Can’t wait for the recap on this one. Wow.
@Don't bother; I don't tweet
Best preview ever
“Thomas B.
March 9, 2013 9:13 pm
Can we sew Shumpert to the back of Novak and let Shump be the defensive side and Novak be the offensive side? It would be like a basketball version of a frosted mini-wheat.”
Pure brilliance, my man.
And unfortunately that STAT comment is very tough to read, now.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/38137/practice-report-copeland-likely-to-play
Silver lining!!
Milsap not playing tonight. Now if Curry, Igoudala, Aldridge and CP3 can sit out against us, this might be a pretty successful road trip!
We could be looking at the end of a guy’s career, which is really hard to put into words given who Amar’e is and how hard he’s worked. It also basically eliminates the chance at winning something big in the next few years.
It could have happened.
You’re all better men than me for finding humor in this situation.
Just got home and found out about Amar’e. I feel sick to my stomach right now.
Just read the preview, pretty hilarious. I needed a laugh after finding out about Amar’e.
Knicks medical staff have some big-time questions to answer for. Back-to-back game nights and that’s it? That’s how fragile the situation was? You have got to be kidding me.
I just saw the scroll on Amare. Knee debridement is sort of a cleaning out as I understand it. Sucks for him. It’s a shame how this season turned to whit. Then again old guys and an uninsurable Amare means it can’t be unexpected. Still compared to the reign of “he who must not be named” this season has still been a joy.
He came back from the first surgery pretty well so there’s a little hope- I do think it probably means the end of his career as anything more than a 20 minute a night guy off of the bench. And you have to figure it’s likely he only has a few years left of that at best. It certainly means he’s done for the season- he was out eight weeks after the first surgery and took a couple of weeks to really get back into game shape so unless the Knicks make the finals it’s really doubtful he makes any kind of contribution.
…other than getting hurt again and needing surgery again.
He’s done. I don’t think you can just limit him to 20 minutes a game, b/c in order to contribute, he’s going to need to be game-ready, which requires practicing and conditioning. There’s no way he’s going to be able to handle the grind of a 82 game season. MAYBE you do something where he plays minimally in the regular season just to try and keep him healthy for the playoffs.
Devastating news. I’m not sure how it works for melo and stat, but can we blow this up in 2 seasons? So after the 2014/2015 season? I wouldn’t resign melo to an extension either. He’s almost 29 and very fragile as well. He’s a major acl waiting to happen. He never lands smoothly, and there is something herky jerky about his game. The next couple of years are really going to suck. Maybe you trade melo and chandler after the season and get some pics back. This team has no shot at beating the heat. I repeat no shot. Lebron is superhuman and never gets hurt. They’ll win even if wade went down somehow. Just in a shitty mood now. And I’m a mets fan to boot.
Oh hey, you still post here. Interesting timing.
Kurt Thomas got this
I love the Knicks with all my heart. This Stat news is devestating. We now have literally no chance to win a championship for 3 years. We need to trade Melo and Tyson and start over AGAIN. I don’t see any light at the end of this tunnel.
Still post , mostly on game threads. But much less. Time is very valuable with a 1 1/2 year old running around. But I had to post after hearing this news. I also still read this blog just about every day. But yes, have posted much less this year.
well. u know me. it time to point fingers. at what point can we reaccess the “slendid” job that donnie walsh did as GM?? that amare contract has always sucked, the jordan hill draft, and the trading of jeffries and picks for t-mac
kurt knows that he cant just unlace his shoes after the first 5 minutes tonight, right?
Mr. B– glad to see you’ve still got it! Hilarious preview. Enjoy your dinner. Say hi to your folks for me.
also a met fan. at least the mets have someone sane in charge and we are building on pitching. the stat signing was ridiculous in retrospect. even if melo and chandler came here because of it. this team was built on a fragile, ready to crack at any second foundation. shit.
Oh! Nice feed from Kenyon to Tyson fir the smash. Brings back memories of Oak and Ewing (the interior pass).
Well, at least we’ll (hopefully) get a lot of Camby and Martin. They should still be two very solid players. Maybe the Knicks become a more defensive team? IDK, I was super encouraged with Amar’es defense.
If this was three weeks ago I’d be a lot more optimistic. I’ll eventually talk myself back into this season, might only be a couple of hours ;)
That preview was epic. Almost made me stop dismantling my STAT jersey, thread by thread, while listening to Alicia Keys’ Goodbye
Martin, Chandler and Shumpert can be a ridiculously good defensive trio.
I say this as kindly as possible, but when you have been a Knicks fans all your life, you are amply prepared for moments like these….
That was a GREAT preview Thomas…..
Is my tv broken? It’s showing us killing the Jazz
MSG needs to get a camera on Clyde’s purple lizardskin boots.
TV definitely broken. It just showed Novak scoring off the dribble
Yes, I’ve been persuaded by those on this board that only Knicks fans suffer.
Martin has been impressive at age 35 with that long layoff. He must have been playing somewhere…
Maybe the Amar’e news is what Shump needs to get going.
Maybe Camby can get some productive minutes.
I dunno. There is still some hope. The news is depressing but maybe the team will play with some new defensive energy and get back on a roll.
Stranger things have happened!
I feel sick. He’s all of 29. He’s a good soul. He’s shown great humbleness. He’s played so well.
I know it was a different injury, but I hope he’s like Grant Hill: all this injury time gives him more time because he’s not getting the wear and tear.
As I think about it, I have to say he’s my favorite player.
Get well, big fella
Jazz don’t have their starting lineup, have lost a couple of heartbreakers recently and have also played a game last night. It’s almost assured that we steal this game with some desperate intensity due to the Amare news. Y’all know KMart is relishing this chance to become a savior with STAT going down.
Also, did I just see Novak with a dribble pull-up jumper as the shotclock expired? This be Bizarro world, son.
I can’t believe Novak hit that….
I want to give Kidd some props for this rebounding. It’s pretty amazing his nose for the ball. And he doesn’t get token boards. He gets boards that were going to the other team. Really, it’s a very underappreciated talent he still has….
It’s a god send Millsap is out. That dude is an animal….
Martin, who’s undergone micro and two other knee surgeries, is a freak of nature.
But this whole thing hinges on Amar’e. I’m convinced the Knicks can beat Miami with Amar’e.
Guys are laying well. Martin seems sharps.
Helpful that Martin, Camby and Melo all have played together
Kenyon is a magnet for creative passes.
I thought earlier in the year he was getting uncontested rebounds from teammates, which is fine because point guards should, but the last few weeks he’s been absolutely stellar.
Look at the Pacers and the Bulls, guys. The former playing even better without their star because they all bought into the defense first mentality. The latter still salvaging a promising season without their star because the rest of the players were forced into actualizing their top play.
The main difference? We still have Melo (knock on wood). And we also have Chandler, who we all know can play better. And we also have Felton and JR, who when playing well make us almost unstoppable. And we also have Novak and Shump who’ve we’ve been waiting for to return to true form. And now we have KMart, who looks so hungry he’d eat everything from a pig but the “oink.”
I’m not sure he’s going to be able to contribute much after surgery and
Six weeks out. I hope you’re right, tho.
This could be a very strong defensive team with Tyson, Camby and Martin.
Amar’e is only 29 and he works his tail off. If he can be back in 6 weeks, and the Knicks make it to the second round, he’ll have at least 7 weeks. Maybe….
Am i the only person driven absolutely insane by that Slomin shield commercial?
So far this has been going surprisingly well…..
I do feel really bad for Stat. The guy is a real professional. There hasn’t been anything since he arrived to fault him for, other than the size of his contract. Nothing but love for him….
Man, Earl is athletic
Nice dish from Pablo and Novak hits from Queens
The Knicks can survive the first round without Amar’e so long as they don’t drop in standings. If you can just give STAT 10-15 minutes a game in the first round to work the rust off, the second round should start about the first of May, which is close to eight weeks from today.
Shooting the lights out
More like 8 weeks. Remember, first round is extended for t.v. coverage. That should give him at least five games to work rust off.
Knicks are so much better without Melo and Amare (sorry, had to make that idiotic statement before someone else did)
gentlemen, buckle up. tonight we are officially watching JR’s NBA wet dream. no reason not to shoot. no reason not to dribble. no reason to defer to better players. all options are open for the pipe. The world is his. This should be interesting
I do think there is something to the team playing more focused without their star. JR said it himself yesterday.
I feel like the server crashes extra hard when Novak does anything….
I think we got Ruru off the ledge…..
God damn it’s frustrating.
A few years ago I kept getting micro tears in my calves. Rehab. The start to wrk back into shape and BAM!
After a while, it gets depressing.
Of course he’s a world class athlete with dozens of people helping him.
And his tool chest is bigger.
Here’s to May
lol, yes….
Geico’s Mutumbo commercial is one of the greatest things in life.
Right?
I just can’t imagine having to rehab again. I will say this, if he does somehow come back and is able to play like he was, that might just be the kind of emotional lift that pushes the Knicks over a better team.
The Knicks will still finish as a 2/3 seed. They will get out of the 1st round of the playoffs. I cant promise anything more than that lol.
as someone who was never really an amare fan, i dont think this is too devastating. rember, just over a month ago, we were wirried about amare coming back and messing things up. if we would ever get sheed back and martin stays healthy, i think we will be ok, we will be opretty good defensively. melo needs to come back re-energized
yeah, pretty quick. Still absolutely crushed for Amar’e though.
did they ever reveal how the amare thing happened? was it one play or was it just the wear and tear?
I’m assuming it was the back to back… his knee probably swelled up after the game. But, no, I haven’t heard jack as to what the hell really happened.
i remember that he kept falling in the heat game i believe and saw at least one play that concerned me. i didnt see anything on thrusday though
the NBATV crew seem rather shocked that JR hasnt used this as an opportunity to get up 15 first half shots. they are forgetting….there is always the 2nd half
102 minutes in five days.
As bad as the Amar’e news is, at least the Knicks are kicking ass, ya know? Who knows what will happen. Maybe they’ll be inspired into playing great ball from now on.
If the Knicks win this, the Jazz fall into a tie with the Lakers for the #8 seed, right?
The only downside to a Knicks win tonight. I can’t stand the Lakers.
As forthcoming as the Knicks are with injury information, I wouldn’t be surprised if we hear that Melo has a torn meniscus in both knees and will be out 10-12 months.
One thing I love about this team is that there isn’t an ounce of quit in any of these guys. Our best scorers can’t play against two Western Conference playoff teams? No problem. Amar’e is out for the rest of the season? Nobody is hanging their head and giving up. I agree with ruru in that I’m convinced we can beat Miami if Amar’e is healthy. We just need everyone to buy in to team ball and hit some shots. The 2nd half should tell us a lot about this team’s mental focus.
last offeseason, the jazz traded an expiring devin harris contract for marvin williams, with 2 years and about 20 mill left on his deal. please, someone explain the thinking on that one. as someone who lives in ATL, if there is a waste of money in the league, it is marvin
Just read that Mo in his first Spring Training outing today had a 1-2-3 inning with 2 K’s. He could pitch until he is 50.
Back to this game, damn the Jazz look awful.
if felton can break down defenses, which he has shown the ability to do at times, then he couldnt ask for 2 better finsishers to dish to than tyson and k-mart
shump just isnt getting vertical at the rim on his drives. im hoping its only a matter of time
I love that pass from JR to Iman. Let Shump get his offense going
Shump is really starting to throw up alot of running garbage. He’s getting bailed out now but that won’t last.
Does Shump have tiny hands? He plays like he does…
I do like Shump’s aggression say what you will.
KMart Chandler and Camby could beast as a front line. We have good rebounders you know if we put two bigs out there.
Yeah, that was a rare notable misstep by the Utah GM.
This is the perfect opponent for the Knicks right now, at the end of a long road trip and missing their best player. I love the way the Knicks are playing, but I worry that a couple of bad early road losses on this road trip could turn things negative in a big hurry. Hope I’m wrong though.
I’d like to see Copeland get some minutes from JR in this game. With the lead we have, JR shouldn’t have to play more than 32. Same thing with Prig for Felton.
WHy is Kidd still in the game? Get White and Cope in there to give Kidd and JR some rest.
woww real bs tech call there
Why has Cope been so deply buried?
dear god novak off the dribble
Novak with the driving layup!?!
novak
Novak with a running jumper. This be Bizarro-world, son.
NOVAK! chandler can barely contain the excitement! lol
I hope Kidd and JR sit for White and Cope after this timeout.
yah!!!! next time it’s mega-dunk time
Methinks JR does not want to sit down. He’s basically curbstomping them. And he’s actually only played 28 mins. So if he wanted, he could finish this game out and only have played 34.
that last 3 taken by R was so ridiculously stupid. that is why he cant be trusted. that being said, this is JR’s NBA wet dream, so who are we to interrupt
He used to take at least one of those a game back in Denver. 3-4 if it was a blowout like this.
Jr just shot the ball about 6 feet behind the 3 , with his feet on the Madison square garden print on the court…. With 20 seconds left in the clock.
Who taught this man how to play ball??
Seriously, how many NBA players would do that??
and he completely ignored copeland toed up for an open three just before shooting it. i thought he did it to run clock. i guess not
Oof. Copeland’s rustiness on defense is palpable. But that last spin move was STAT-like and very encouraging.
Yo, Cope can really ball.
JR used to get pulled in blowouts because he’d put on his own half-court shooting contest.
j. kidd has managed a -13 +/- for this game somehow
seriously. it is indefensible that with all the screwing around that novak has been doing, cope never gets run. he is solid on offense and atleast slightly better than novak on defense
Hate to bring this up (again), but is it possible for Amar’e to restructure his contract with the Knicks? Or void it and negotiate a new one or something? I know it’s ludicrously improbable for any athlete to do that, but given his struggles to stay on the court and bleak outlook, is there also a slim chance he won’t accept $20 million a season for what little he will be able to give them?
i also wonder if it is medically determined he cannot play, will the NBA give us cap relief. of course, it wont really helo, as we are already way over the cap anyways
Best game for Shumpert this season. He has been attacking the rim and getting to the line.
Best game for Novak this season. He scored twice off the dribble and found the rhythm on his 3.
Best game by Martin this season. Great interior defense and energy.
Chandler did a great job shutting Jefferson down.
Kidd will still get defensive rebounds at the elbow three years after he retires.
There is nothing that JR Smith cannot do on a basketball court. He filled the stat sheet under control in the first half. Then, he made it rain in the second half.
Impressive win. Takes some of the sting out of the amare news. Lets all pray that melo is not worse then they are letting on.
Holy crap, Al Jefferson WAS PLAYING tonight? I was 1000% sure he was out with an injury. That’s how good Tyson was erasing him from the court. Wow.
Novak’s defense was very very very strong tonight. I only recall one bad sequence where he failed to box out leading to a Jazz offensive rebound. But I wouldn’t have puled Novak out for Copeland in this game for anything but a 30 pt blowout. Novak’s scoring was off-the-charts (relatively for him anyway) and his defense was much improved. Also, Copeland’s defense on the switches is atrocious. Worse than Novak’s. He’s ok manning up on the perimeter and in the post, but you use a screen on him and he acts like he’s been struck by a lightning bolt.
Nobody played more than 30 mins in this blowout. As it should be. They’re in for some rough times.
Something forgotten by a lot of people in this game… Shump shooting 8/10 from the free throw line. He was really taking it to the basket. Also 4 steals, 1 turnover.
i missed the game! judging by this thread i missed out on a good game.
Solid win tonight. If we can still procure the 2 or 3 seed that would be amazing. K-Mart looked great to me. I am surprised no other team gave him a look this season until now, same with Chris Anderson also looking good. However, does anyone else feel impending doom in regard to Carmelo’s injury and the way it is being handled by msg reps? Please let me be wrong but it feels very similar to Lin’s meniscus tear last year. Melo has been playing a lot of minutes and said his knee had been bothering him for a while as I believe Lin said too. The whole day to day classification with relatively no details/updates is mind boggling to me. They were able to promptly diagnose and release info on Amare very quickly which perhaps means Carmelo could actually be day to day? I’m not sure what to believe. I really do not want to accept that our ceiling is getting bounced in the first round.
Hilarious whoever described this game as JR’s NBA wet dream
First, no, 99% sure you cannot restructure a contract. Knick options would be to buy Stoudemire out or, if docs approve, he can take a medical retirement, in which case after a year, his contract comes off the cap.
Second, it doesn’t matter. Even if you wiped Stoudemire’s contract off the cap entirely next year, the Knicks would only be about $3m below the cap, and that’s not counting the likely cost of a new mid-level contract for JR Smith.
Gonna be tough but I will be rooting for the Heat tomorrow vs Indiana. A Heat win and the Knicks go out West in 2nd place in the East. I still believe in the 2 seed.
Lin hadn’t received an MRI. Melo has. The bigger question is whether to drain the knee. I don’t know exactly how that changes things. I know they’re trying to avoid it.
Players are allowed to restructure their contracts under certain circumstance (and STAT would be eligible for one of them this July), but only if the team is below the salary cap. So that rules out STAT.
Has Melo definitely received an MRI since last Monday? Perhaps I am reading into this stuff too much and it is just weak reporting but as per Ian Begley on espn NY “As for Anthony, an MRI taken recently revealed no structural damage, he said.” The term recently is what concerns me and using that term is how a writer could cloak the situation. Recently as in what day exactly is what I am wondering? Why was Melo not on the bench tonight? Please excuse me if I sound like a sasquatch hunter.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/9034404/carmelo-anthony-again-new-york-knicks-knee-injury
To drain fluid from the knee, isnt it a minor procedure that should only have him out for 2-3 weeks?? Or is it a bit more serious than that??
I think it’s a few weeks.
Shit, if that has to happen then better get it done quickly. Believe the playoffs start in exactly 6 weeks.
Yeah, I think that this Melo stuff is definitely worrisome. It is not as bad as the Lin situation, but pretty close. It’s funny. Remember my injury over/unders? I think pretty much every single player except JR Smith has beaten the over (meaning that they missed more games than expected).
Chandler??
Oh right, good call. Kidd and Novak actually also exceeded their over/unders, as well (Kidd was tough to pick an over/under on as his career has mostly been either play the whole season or miss big chunks). So it was just Melo, STAT, Camby and Felton falling short (and had I counted him, certainly Sheed would have, as well).
Speaking of Chandler, imagine if he ever missed significant time. They’d be sooooooo fucked.
I’m not optimistic about Melos knee. He’s missed 9 game and counting. Knicks always under report injuries. Even Melo’s homeboy ruru, hasn’t come out and said anything positive about Melos imminent return. All signs point to the eventual announcement- “Carmelo to get knee scoped, out 6 weeks”. Again, I hope I’m wrong. Ironically melo makes Patrick Ewing look more reliable and durable in his prime.
Excuse me melo has missed 10 games and counting.
I sincerely doubt he’s going to need his knee scoped, but as ruru noted, I wouldn’t be surprised by a knee drain, which would be a couple of weeks on the shelf. There’s definitely more wrong with him than what they’re telling us (which is fair enough, really, as they don’t really benefit any but telling us ahead of time).
Ewing in his prime was extremely durable. Was injury prone his first 2 seasons then played in 82, 80, 82, 81, 82, 81, 79, 79, 76 and 78 games before destroying his wrist in early in the 1997-98 season.
Wow. Looks like i missed a heck of a performance tonight. I am really pleased so many of you enjoyed the preview. Thanks so much for the kind words. I was actually worried how this would be received.
As for Stat, I wrote this post early in the morning before the family got on the road to my parent’s house. I was unaware of Stat’s knee. I wasn’t making fun of it at all. I had no clue. That is quite a blow.
Z,
I read your comment to my parents as we were waiting to be seated. They laughed and said hello to you as well. Very kind of you to think of them.