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Thursday, October 2, 2014

2013-14 Game Thread: Knicks @ Warriors

Well, the other night I said that the Knicks had to have a winning record on this West Coast trip to have a real shot at catching the Hawks for the #8 seed. So while the Phoenix loss was horrible, so long as they win tonight they will likely (hopefully?) have a winning record on this trip and they’ll have a real chance (the weird thing is that the Hawks are playing so poorly that even if the Knicks lose tonight, there’s no guarantee that the Knicks won’t still be right in the thick of the “race” for the 8th seed even if they lose tonight, tomorrow, etc. etc.).

So yeah, please, Knicks, the Warriors have no David Lee. They have no Andrew Bogut. Just beat them, please!

Let’s go Knicks!

140 comments on “2013-14 Game Thread: Knicks @ Warriors

  1. BigBlueAL

    This pre-game Woodson quote has made quite an impression on Twitter:

    Woodson: “We’re 9-3 in our last 12 games, so that’s an indication that the system is working.”

  2. ephus

    If there ever was a night for a junk defense, this is it.

    Keep the ball out of Curry’s hands. Make others make shots.

  3. mokers

    Here were the Warriors announcers key to the game:

    -Defend the 3.
    -Early offense beats this team.
    -They don’t defend well, but in particular are bad in transition.

    They left out defending the pick and roll…

  4. maxwell_3g

    i have a really wild idea for woodson. how about we attack and trap the pick and roll and make Jermaine F’n Oneal beat us as a roller. just a thought

  5. BigBlueAL

    Great start for Chandler. Takes 2 stupid jumpers bricking both, has gotten beat twice by Oneal for offensive rebs already and bailed out Iggy with 2 ft’s on a stupid foul.

  6. johnlocke

    That last offensive play sums up the Knicks. Amare open on break calls for ball ignored by Melo who takes contested mid range jumper Amare disgusted doesn’t even look at the basket or try to fight for the board just starts walking away in disgust as Melo shoots and misses. So unprofessional

  7. ephus

    At the start of the season, I was excited about the prospect of Tyson developing an elbow jumper. That experiment has been a failure. He has gotten wide open shots all season and does not convert. Defenders do not respect his threat.

    If the Knicks run the Triangle next year, Chandler’s lack of range will be a problem. The offense is designed to create the triple option from the elbow. Chandler is not a weapon from that spot.

  8. maxwell_3g

    rick bucher and the warriors announcers have just declared that Felton is our X-factor….that is NOT a good sign

  9. BigBlueAL

    Its just baffling how they can do the same thing on D over and over and not try to change or adjust. But of course you have a coach who thinks they arent that bad on D and that his system has been working over the last 12 games.

  10. Brian Cronin Post author

    Woodson: “We’re 9-3 in our last 12 games, so that’s an indication that the system is working.”

    Man, the guy is a freakin’ master at spin!

  11. Brian Cronin Post author

    This is so brutal. They should be so much closer and instead it looks like it might be heading the other way. argh!

  12. maxwell_3g

    damn, im actually proud of felton for running through a screen and getting call for a foul. thats how low the bar is

  13. maxwell_3g

    it looks like the warriors are not even going to cover shump at the 3 point line. maybe he could get something going here

  14. maxwell_3g

    brian, your definition of “life” is very broad. kind of like Woodson definition of “working”.

  15. BigBlueAL

    “Only” 32 pts in 1st quarter for the Warriors. Woodson’s system is working perfectly.

  16. Brian Cronin Post author

    Isn’t this how teams score against the Knicks? It’s like a mirror universe!

  17. lavor postell

    Woodson sucks, but he’s not the reason Shump is airballs 65% of his jumpers (that’s what it seems like anyways).

  18. maxwell_3g

    this is unreal. amare irrationally saving the ball and JR pulling off a 2 for 1 and all. this was our best quarter of the year

  19. Brian Cronin Post author

    Remember when quarters like this didn’t make us think “oh my god! This is amazing!”

  20. maxwell_3g

    disclaimer: I have flip flopped on this 1,385 times in the past 2+ years.

    maybe JR’s contract is not really that bad at all. clearly, when focused, hes a solid rotational player of the bench. if he gets his shit together under Phil (again, the “if” that always comes along with JR), he probably is worth 5 mill.

  21. Brian Cronin Post author

    I feel like Paul Newman in the Verdict. “There are no other games. This is the game. There are no other games. This is the game.”

  22. Brian Cronin Post author

    Totally saw that coming…. Said no one

    But we did, in a way. We were just talking the other day about how the Knicks are weird because they can beat anyone and lose to anyone.

  23. johnlocke

    @ brian… Totally agree on is bring able to beat the Spurs and lose to the Cavs without Kyrie lol. But I meant didn’t see that 2nd quarter run after we did our best to not play defense in the 1st quarter

  24. ptmilo

    JR isn’t going to be a valuable player if he’s making 1.3 free throws per 36, unless he just becomes a 3pt specialist and ditches his entire mid range game. He has to go to the rim more like he did last year (and in the first half tonight) or he won’t be worth any contract amount, because his defense isn’t going to be getting better.

  25. maxwell_3g

    i agree with that ptmilo. JR has proven again and again that he 1) is much better when he is attacking the hoop instead of dribbling in circles, b) is not that great an outside hooter anyways, especially off of the dribble

  26. johnlocke

    Regarding JR I always had a hypothesis I wanted to test. Who are the opposite JR players. High usage players whose points per minute and shooting %s are most consistent game to game and quarter to quarter. Which players have lowest standard deviation game to game and within a game. I suspect Lebron would be close to the top whereas Melo would be average and JR would be last

  27. lavor postell

    @johnlocke

    I used to read BlazersEdge a lot which is an awesome blog. They had a stat for that called Shake and Aldridge was one of the most consistent players in the entire league.

  28. maxwell_3g

    id think durant would be very consistent. also, tony parker, greg monroe, paul milsap, david lee??

  29. Brian Cronin Post author

    They’re not just playing well, they seem to be controlling the game. This is not very Knicks-like at all. I like it!

  30. yellowboy90

    What does Felton do on the floor? I know he makes the occasional Tyson lob but he is such a liability. Why am I still watching him play?

  31. ptmilo

    Possibly original trivia: Four former Knick point guards will be coaching playoff teams this year.

  32. maxwell_3g

    i hate using the foul to give there for no reason. first of all, just play d. second, it gives away any possibility of the 2 for 1

  33. ptmilo

    If Amar’e secures another assist it will be his 4th multi-assist game of the season. That would tie him with Metta.

  34. ptmilo

    That was actually Melo’s fault. He directed Felton off Curry and then wandered around aimlessly.

  35. lavor postell

    Melo is just playing like a fucking idiot today. Get to the rack man nobody is back there. This team is just beyond words stupid it’s ridiculous.

  36. BigBlueAL

    Great tweet by Alan Hahn:

    It’s a staple of the #Knicks defense. They don’t discriminate, they will double off anyone. They’d leave Jordan and Bird open to double.

  37. bidiong

    U got a lot of Girbaud jeans HA, saw your screen name and immediately thought about 1999 Cash Money Records. Haha

  38. maxwell_3g

    amare’s defense is so bad. the warriors had a 2 on 1 in the lane there. bogut is known for what he calls “late help”, where he waits til the last moments and then makes the guy with the ball have to make a split second decision whether to pass or finish himself. amare just did the opposite of that. its like his feet weigh 100 lbs each when he is playing defense

  39. yellowboy90

    My goodness someone tell the knicks to post up STAT every time when he is guarded by the 6’6 Green.

  40. lavor postell

    Hahaha Woodson yelling at STAT for not passing out of a double team. He should try telling Melo that some time. It’s this crazy thing called coaching.

  41. Will the Thrill

    What the hell was that possession Melo. Neither shot was open and both were early in the clock.

  42. lavor postell

    Melo is seriously an idiot down the stretch of games if he’s not on fire. I’ve seen him pass the ball in an isolation in the fourth quarter like 8 times of which all resulted in open shots.

    Not. A. Leader.

    Edit: Amazing what happens when you pass it there Melo

  43. maxwell_3g

    the idea that the warriors have not scored a fg against this defensive lineup in the last 6+ minutes is mind blowing

  44. lavor postell

    We have scored 25 points in the second half. Our defense generally sucks, but that’s not what’s killing us today.

  45. ptmilo

    I strongly advise you not to find yourself aflame in a room with a fire extinguisher and Amar’e Stoudemire

  46. Garson

    @89 patented is a term to protect others from infringing on. I can guarantee you no other nba wnba NCAA or YMCA team is going to be using the ” spend 24 seconds trying to ISO on the southeast corner of the court” offense

  47. maxwell_3g

    the warriors just bailed us out big time with that foul after we were kind enough to leave thompson open for 3

  48. kronicfatigue

    What are the odds that the Knicks get a technical for calling a time out despite not having any left? 10%?

  49. Garson

    I think melo is trying to push phil to not give him an offer with this shot selection tonight ….

  50. ptmilo

    wow that was a huge mistake by Curry — he had Felton up in the air and could be shooting 3 free throws. Huge win in a horrible year.

  51. Brian Cronin Post author

    Well, now we know why Golden State fans want Mark Jackson fired. How in the world does he think the best plan at the end of the game is Iggy as his point guard for the final five minutes?

    Also, thank you Steph Curry for two Knicks-like plays at the end of the game!

    What a freakin’ win! What a win! They are so in this thing still!

  52. yellowboy90

    Curry with the Bargnani lapses down the stretch. Also, Melo has played awful this Western road trip.

  53. ephus

    I was afraid for this game after Phoenix.

    I’m so happy to have been wrong.

    Knicks denied the ball to Curry down the stretch. Gotta give Woodson credit.

    Knicks need at least five more wins to have a chance at the 8th slot.

  54. Brian Cronin Post author

    Knicks denied the ball to Curry down the stretch. Gotta give Woodson credit.

    I’d give more credit to Mark Jackson.

  55. BigBlueAL

    I know Im not the only person thinking they will now lose in Utah to negate this big win lol.

  56. lavor postell

    I think this may have been the most stupid play committed by both teams that in a game I’ve ever seen in my life. Curry had a play in the fourth where he was in for an easy layup and instead tried to whip some pass out to Thompson who was in the wing behind him too his left and then that crazy shot off the rebound.

  57. Brian Cronin Post author

    I think this may have been the most stupid play committed by both teams that in a game I’ve ever seen in my life. Curry had a play in the fourth where he was in for an easy layup and instead tried to whip some pass out to Thompson who was in the wing behind him too his left and then that crazy shot off the rebound.

    Yeah, definitely not one for Curry’s highlight reel. And this is coming in a game where he hits a huge three to tie the game! But he made so many stupid plays.

    But Jackson, oh Jackson. Remember the play where Harrison Barnes, of all people, tried to beat, like, three Knicks off the dribble and was just stripped? How do you let that happen as a coach?

  58. Dudley

    Now let’s see if we can beat Utah…
    Trey Burke vs. Tim Hardaway Jr. (former Michigan teammates last year)

    Towards the end, this was a great game to highlight that Melo needs to rest. Just take him out, have Amare at the 4. Melo was off, wasn’t exactly trying to change (ala Lebron who when cold will take it to the rim). Now we have both gassed… and JR Smith rarely has two good games in a row… This Utah game is going to be interesting.

  59. Brian Cronin Post author

    Ray played some good denial d late in the game.

    Definitely true. The Knicks did a good job on denying the ball to Curry and Thompson. Gotta give them props for that.

  60. Brian Cronin Post author

    But really, ugly win, stupid win, who cares – a win is a win and they needed this win so badly.

  61. Brian Cronin Post author

    Towards the end, this was a great game to highlight that Melo needs to rest. Just take him out, have Amare at the 4. Melo was off, wasn’t exactly trying to change (ala Lebron who when cold will take it to the rim). Now we have both gassed… and JR Smith rarely has two good games in a row… This Utah game is going to be interesting.

    I can see Utah giving them a bit of a ride, but Utah is awful. I am more worried about whether they can beat Brookln or Toronto twice. They need to beat one of those teams twice. That’s hard.

  62. ephus

    You cannot take a win or loss for granted with this team. Never thought the Knicks would lose badly to the Lakers and beat Golden State. Wins over Houston and Dallas on the road and Miami and Indiana at home are hard to square with the losses to Orlando, Boston, Philly and Milwaukee.

  63. johnlocke

    Brian we can lose to anyone , including almost to Philly when up 17 in the fourth quarter… One game at a time, no jinxes!

  64. lavor postell

    Haha Brian I think you also said that before the home loss to Cleveland. This the Dr. Jekyll-Mr. Hyde Knicks.

    That play by Barnes was amazingly stupid. I think one of my favorite plays of the night was the Knicks coming out of a timeout early in the fourth with a play drawn up to post Amar’e about 20 feet from the rim and Felton turning the ball over on the “post” entry.

  65. Dudley

    but Utah is awful

    That’s true. But the Lakers are pretty bad too.
    I think we’ll get a win…but that’s because I am Knicks fan.
    I also wouldn’t be surprised if Atlanta losses to Philly tomorrow as well.
    The interesting x-factor is now the Cavs. I guess beating the Knicks awoke them.
    They have a very reasonable schedule with the only above 500 team being Brooklyn in the last game (which I assume the Nets will be resting then). The Cavs likely win at least 5 games, which will put them at 35. I am not sure Atlanta gets there if Korver does return. As for the Knicks, we tied the series and have a better conference record – so we need four games. There is Utah, one against Brooklyn, one against Toronto, and what? I guess you are correct, Brian, the “easiest route” is to beat either team twice. Beating either the Wizards, Heat, or Bulls is not improbable though.

  66. lavor postell

    I think Wizards at home is a must win game on Friday. The Knicks have a better chance of beating Toronto twice than Brooklyn I think. The Heat game will be interesting since Miami has a brutal stretch after that they could possibly be looking ahead too, though the fact it’s a national TV game doesn’t help the cause. Miami actually has three more national TV games after that with Memphis that Tuesday on TNT, Brooklyn the day after on ESPN (I imagine they’ll be really geared up for this) and Indiana that Friday on NBATV. Ideally Brooklyn would lose a lot before our second meeting in the 81st game of the year and Toronto will have clinched the division or need just a win to get there by our first of two meetings with them in April.

  67. Brian Cronin Post author

    Haha Brian I think you also said that before the home loss to Cleveland. This the Dr. Jekyll-Mr. Hyde Knicks.

    Ha! I said that they better beat Cleveland. ;) Boston I said that they’d beat no problem because Boston is so awful, and they did!

    That play by Barnes was amazingly stupid. I think one of my favorite plays of the night was the Knicks coming out of a timeout early in the fourth with a play drawn up to post Amar’e about 20 feet from the rim and Felton turning the ball over on the “post” entry.

    Oh man! Soooo dumb! Also, do note that the game-clinching free throws by Melo came on a terrible shot attempt that he was lucky to be hit on the elbow by Iggy on. It was like the Knicks and the Warriors were competing to see who could pull off dumber plays and the Warriors “won.”

  68. Brian Cronin Post author

    Speaking of the Wizards game, one of the best things about this win is that it means that the Wizards game on Friday will now automatically be a meaningful game (even if the Knicks somehow lose the next two games and they won’t lose the next two games). Few sports-related things are quite as fun as going to the Garden for important games.

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