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Friday, August 29, 2014

2013-14 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Lakers

My brother was at a business conference this week in Las Vegas, so he called me to get my advice on some first half bets. I did pretty well and he made money, but one of the games that I missed on was the Lakers vs. the Heat. The Heat were giving seven points in the first half, which is a ton of points and the Heat tend to do better late in games so I thought that it was a good bet. As it turned out, I was way off as the Heat murderlized them. So yeah, I think that the Lakers right now are not a very good team so this should be a very good matchup, especially for Melo’s first game following his historic 62 point performance on Friday.

Let’s go Knicks!

49 comments on “2013-14 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Lakers

  1. Brian Cronin Post author

    So, is what has worked during this current Knicks winning streak sustainable?

    Hey, I wouldn’t put it past Melo today! 63, Melo, 63!

  2. Jacob

    So, is what has worked during this current Knicks winning streak sustainable?

    Yes – whenever Carmelo starts at PF, the Knicks are unbeatable. This has been true since 2012.
    Shame Woodson forgot that little gambit this year… Dolan pressuring him to play Bargs?

  3. lavor postell

    Not a surprise the Knicks are settling for outside jumpers against a top-3 defense like the Lakers…

  4. art vandelay

    For a guy who consistently led the league in FG % for several years, Chandler really isn’t all that great a finisher around the rim unless it is a dunk. In traffic I almost expect a miss…and he doesn’t do a great job of drawing contact either to get to the line for a dude of his size.

  5. Kahnzy

    I can live with our guards being bad offensive players. It’s ugly, but I can live with it. But Jesus, we’ve got to have one of the worst defensive guard units in the league.

    Someone with more analytical desire than me should probably look that up.

  6. art vandelay

    Jodie Meeks joining the NYK-opponent middling all-star squad…I guess it had been a game or so since a mediocre opposing player registered his career-high in points scored, so not all that surprising that he will likely get it by game’s end.

  7. JK47

    Knicks are sort of just trading baskets here with this very mediocre basketball team. Which is not surprising since the Knicks are just as mediocre.

    This will probably come down to a final possession iso-Melo brick.

  8. lavor postell

    Shump needs to not shoot that wide open three when Moses has seemingly cleared the entire path to the hoop

  9. Kahnzy

    So, this season has two bright spots, maybe 3. Melo’s 62, TH2, and maybe Amar’e.

    We stand a good chance of either losing one (or overpaying), mentally breaking one, and physically breaking the other next season.

    I just keep reminding myself that I’m much younger and healthier than James Dolan. I’ll outlast him.

  10. Nick C.

    That basket by Melo was a great move but did they really have to futz around until seven seconds left to get hin free and start the possession.

  11. JK47

    That’s now five straight possessions where the ball went to Melo far away from the basket and he did not pass. He’s 2 for 5 on those possessions.

  12. JK47

    Seriously, this is just fucking stupid. Terrible low-percentage contested jumpers every time.

    The ball goes to him, it is not leaving his hands under any circumstances. Really really annoying.

  13. Nick C.

    In all honesty when the first pass of the entire possession is to him with 5-7 seconds left what else is reasonable. I would blame unimaginative sets/playcalling.

  14. lavor postell

    Seriously, this is just fucking stupid. Terrible low-percentage contested jumpers every time.

    The ball goes to him, it is not leaving his hands under any circumstances. Really really annoying.

    Best part about it is I’m sure this is probably Woodson’s design

  15. JK47

    Let’s see if Melo passes the ball even once the entire remainder of the game.

    He didn’t. This isn’t usually an issue I harp on, but it really bothered me today for some reason.

  16. Kahnzy

    Hey, the Knicks won an afternoon game! Let’s just all be grateful the game started at 3:30 and not noon.

  17. Z-man

    My 14-yo son went to this one, glad he got to see a rare MSG win (he saw 2 losses already this year.)

    Owen, are you still down on the TH2 pick?

  18. BigBlueAL

    Just glad the Knicks won. Now hopefully they dont blow the next 2 games vs the Celtics and Cavs.

  19. Brian Cronin Post author

    Just like any landing you can walk away from is a good one, so is any win is a good one! I just want to see them win a round of the playoffs. That’s all I ask. And if they can get to the #6 seed, which shouldn’t be that hard, I would like their chances.

  20. Owen

    Didn’t see the game. I still think he will have an unremarkable, Jodie Meeks esque career. But can’t complain with today’s effort.

  21. lavor postell

    THJ was a real find for us that late in the draft. He’s an efficient scorer, an elite athlete and is a high energy, high effort player which this team desperately needs. If Shump can’t consistently be a contributor offensively and isn’t shutting guys down on the other end his minutes need to start going to JR and THJ. I feel like I keep banging the drum on Shump, but he’s been so disappointing this season and his decision making has been really bad. Other than rebounding I feel that he hasn’t been a positive for this team, something that can be said about virtually everybody on this team.

  22. Kahnzy

    Didn’t see the game. I still think he will have an unremarkable, Jodie Meeks esque career. But can’t complain with today’s effort.

    I’d call that his floor. I think his ceiling is more in the range of Jason Terry (but without all of the really annoying gospel speak). A solid sparkplug off the bench, will occasionally have awesome games only to come back down to earth in the next one, and a solid contributor on a contender. This will require the Knicks to be contenders if he stays here though…so I reserve to right to withdraw my comment if he stays with the Knicks during his prime (next two-ish contracts maybe).

  23. Owen

    He doesn’t pass the ball and he doesn’t defend much.but he has scored far more efficiently than I thought he would. So that’s definitely something….

  24. johnno

    Has anyone else noticed that JR has been playing much better/smarter/more efficiently since shoelace-gate?

  25. Kahnzy

    Has anyone else noticed that JR has been playing much better/smarter/more efficiently since shoelace-gate?

    I’ll take good JR whenever we can get him, but I’m not convinced he’s turned the proverbial corner this season.

  26. JK47

    THJ is now sporting a .588 TS% in about half of an NBA season as a 21-year old rookie. I hated the pick when the Knicks drafted him but he’s probably first team all-rookie when the season is over. He has handily outplayed most of that draft’s lottery picks.

  27. BigBlueAL

    TH Jr is a much, much better shooter and athlete than I thought. Needs to work on his defense obviously but hopefully next season the Knicks have a head coach that could help him with that.

  28. Z-man

    What I like about Timmy is that he isn’t just a 3-pt specialist. He seems to have a pretty well-rounded offensive game…needs some work off the dribble, but otherwise OK. He has a beautiful stroke that looks sustainable, not that ugly push shot that made Landry look like a star for 50 games.

    On defense, he has a long way to go but mostly gets beat by crafty veteran moves. The work ethic, athleticism and IQ seem to be there, so I have hope that he will become a reasonably good defender or better with time. He needs to hit the weight room over the summer.

    In a weak draft, he is probably the 2nd best guard by the numbers right now, and his shooting numbers and WS 48 are better than Carter-Williams, who looks like the ROY thus far. So it was a great, great pick, in terms of getting someone who could help the team right away.

  29. Frank

    I’m ok when Timmy gets beaten by crafty veteran moves. What I’m not so ok with is that he’s always going under screens when his man is the PNR ball handler, and he’s always ball-watching when he’s on the weak side on defense. He gives up so many open jumpers. But that stuff hopefully should be coachable.

  30. lavor postell

    @ Frank

    I noticed this tendency of his in PNR defense as well and I think it might have to do with the kind of pick and roll coverage he played in for three years in college under Beilein. If you have watched Michigan at all in that time or caught the game last night, they always have the big man hedge the pick and roll ball handle until the guard can go under and get back in to position to cover the ball handler. The big after aggressively challenging the ball handler must maintain discipline, be patient and work with the guard in preventing the pass to a rolling big in this scenario, until he can drop back. To me it just looks like Hardaway is covering the PNR as he did in college even though the defensive scheme has changed which is disconcerting in a wholly different way. Either way agreed THJ needs to improve this as well as his weakside defense which you pointed out and was certainly a problem in colleg as well.

  31. Z-man

    Yeah, his P&R defense is bad, but he’s not alone there. I did notice a play late in this game when he went under a screen and Harris buried a 3. I remember we used to get on Nate for the same thing, but he seemed way more hard-headed/slow to learn than Tim. Hard to learn when your mouth is always running!

  32. flossy

    To be fair, there’s generally no reason to fight over the screen when you’re guarding Manny Harris, a player of whom the best thing that can be said is that his given name, “Corperryale L’Adorable Harris,” is awesome.

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