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Sunday, December 21, 2014

2013-14 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Grizzlies

It’s Saturday at noon, and our team had to stay in a hotel in their own city, because they cannot be trusted.

Go Knicks!

119 comments on “2013-14 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Grizzlies

  1. Kahnzy

    It’s Saturday at noon, and our team had to stay in a hotel in their own city, because they cannot be trusted.

    Only the Knicks. At least being a fan of this team provides plenty of opportunities for laughs…if you’re into dark humor anyway.

  2. mokers

    I know Chandler isn’t back 100% yet, but the knicks might want to think about a PnR with him every now and then. Word has it that was a decent play in the past.

  3. Kahnzy

    Word has it that was a decent play in the past.

    That better not be one of dem dere fancy pantsy statistics! We don’t much care for their like ’round here in Knickland

  4. Kahnzy

    I don’t like watching all these young players running the floor for exciting fast breaks. It makes me uncomfortable. Can we go back to slow, plodding veterans who have been run into the ground by a coach with absolutely no foresight? At least I know how that story ends.

  5. yellowboy90

    If Chandler had the same hand eye coordination with passes below his shoulders as he does with the passes above he would be even more amazing

  6. Jake S.

    You know, it’s really hard to win when four of your major rotation players are either terrible or major liabilities, and your coach is incompetent. #DeepThoughts

  7. ruruland

    Tyson Chandler has one rebound.

    And the Knicks have been better defensively with him on the bench since he’s returned. I know he’s typically the one who gets a pass, but the Knicks need him to do… something (assuming he’s healthy and it’s not like he rushed back)

  8. DRed

    Really? We’re using 6 quarters of on/off data to criticize a guy who just came back from a broken leg? My head shakes while I laugh audibly.

  9. ruruland

    I’m saying he’s been pretty bad since he’s returned. He was very average defensively last year. Chandler can be an excellent player. Need it soon.

  10. BigBlueAL

    Dude ruru, he has been back for 1 game and a half. This team fucking sucks and Chandler is the least of their problems.

  11. ruruland

    Liked Tyson’s man defense on Randolph the last two possessions though — he can do that really well.

  12. JK47

    The Knicks are mediocre with Chandler and terrible without Chandler. Or maybe they’ll still be terrible with Chandler.

    Either way, they’re somewhere in that terrible-to-mediocre range. #blowitup

  13. coyle022

    Where is Metta? is he injured? and when will Woodson stop the Udrih nonsense….he is a turnover machine…free Murry/Aldrich

  14. maxwell_3g

    Ruru can go overboard with his optimism and his constant defending of Melo and JR, etc…
    That being said, I don’t think that he is completely wrong about Chandler. Its not this game and a half. Its the last year. I know that his teammates are awful at D, but he does allow a number of uncontested drives that other elite defensive centers do not allow (at least when I am watching). the counter-argument is that he has a great reputation as a defender throughout NBA circles, so maybe there are some complexities to this analysis that I don’t really understand just being a fan

  15. maxwell_3g

    The Knicks are mediocre with Chandler and terrible without Chandler. Or maybe they’ll still be terrible with Chandler.

    Either way, they’re somewhere in that terrible-to-mediocre range. #blowitup

    agree completely, except for the use of hashtags

  16. coyle022

    17-2 on second chance points. Solution? don’t play a Center known for rebounding and defense (Aldrich). But hey, “the East is big, Man”

  17. cgreene

    Cmon Chandler knows that as soon as he leaves his man to stop drivers that he is essentially giving up the rebound. The other thing is that the Knicks’ guards literally never ever stay in front of the driving guard. So it’s not that Chandler can just feign help and get back. He has to fully commit.

  18. BigBlueAL

    After taking 17 3pters last game JR has taken 1 3pter today but several 20 fters. Brilliant adjustment.

  19. maxwell_3g

    I completely agree that there is no reason that woody should keep his job but seriously, what will firing him accomplish (other than laying another coaching corpse in the wake of Carmelo)? this team blows. woodson makes it worse, but the team will blow either way. and the replacement will be an interim that is likely as bad as woodson. we need to blow it up

  20. EB

    I think part of the problem at least is that the guards can’t stay in front of their man long enough for Chandler to get over to help. Like when Beal or Conley blow by Udrih. When we had a top 10 defense we had different guards. Lin and Fields were pretty good defensively imho.

  21. BigBlueAL

    Guys, they are not blowing this team up. So instead of wishing for something unrealistic Im wishing for them to fire Woodson and hire some random street vendor if they want because that would still be a coaching upgrade. Id rather sneak into the playoffs and get swept in the 1st round then miss the playoffs and suffer the embarrassment of giving up another lottery pick. This front office is not going to trade Melo and/or Chandler by the trade deadline.

  22. Kikuchiyo

    What’s hilarious is that this terrible game is still much better than the last three matinee games.

    And at least it’s not Sunday. Those Sunday losses, which usually include embarrassing losses by the Giants too, are even more punishing.

  23. coyle022

    In regards to Woodson, name a single coach in the league currently that you would not want instead of this moron (“it all happened so fast…I didn’t react quickly enough”). Outside of Jason Kidd I would take any of the other 28 coaches. Even Joeger, Shaw, Brett Brown, hell Scott Brooks might be an upgrade at this point. It’s difficult to get this little out of a roster with a top-10 player like Melo. The only coach I can think of who would probably suck this badly is Larry Drew

  24. maxwell_3g

    thanks msg. we needed that extended view of woodson, arms crosses, completely confused. that cheered me up

  25. DRed

    We don’t need competitive spirit. We need better basketball players. Put Cole in you fucking idiots. And give poor Melo a rest.

  26. Kahnzy

    It’s so nice having people to share in my misery, so thank you Knickerblogger for making this steaming pile of dog shit season actually somewhat entertaining.

  27. maxwell_3g

    the funny thing is that these losses are not a fluke at all. our team is unbelievably poorly constructed. why do we have JR on this roster? he’s been entertaining at times, but how the hell does bargs fit in this mess? our coaching is awful, and melo is not an ideal leader (at all), but I hold our front office/ownership 86% responsible for this cluster

  28. coyle022

    The pieces are there on this roster. Injuries or not, 1-14 (forget about chris smith) are all legit NBA players. Murry and Aldrich are deserving of 5-10 minutes a night, not only to improve their development, but to give the starters a chance to stay fresh. The issue, as we’ve said really from last year’s Indiana series, is the head coach/possibly entire coaching staff. Woodson would rather burn Chandler and company 30+ minutes to win meaningless games in December.

    Bargnani should not be starting/never play more than 25 non-garbage time minutes

    Woodson does not have any idea what combinations work on this team. Probably because he thinks all this analytical data is still “up in the air.”

  29. JK47

    We’ll always have that first round series win we barely eked out and almost choked away against the last remnants of the Garnett-Pierce Celtics. No one can ever take that away from us.

  30. BigBlueAL

    The trade for Bargs really screwed with the roster construction plus Woody’s insistence to play “big” since its pretty obvious he considers last season’s success a total fluke due to all the 3pters and 2-pg lineups.

    This team is no longer setup to win 54 games like they did last season but it should not be 8-18. That awful record is totally 100% on Woodson.

  31. coyle022

    The sad thing is that this mini-run to cut it to single digits might give Woodson another day….c’mon Memphis, pour it on!

  32. cgreene

    I had a long Twitter back and forth with Herring from WSJ last night. He explicitly said that Woodson considers last year’s success a fluke. Has implied that multiple times to Herring.

  33. maxwell_3g

    The trade for Bargs really screwed with the roster construction plus Woody’s insistence to play “big” since its pretty obvious he considers last season’s success a total fluke due to all the 3pters and 2-pg lineups.

    This team is no longer setup to win 54 games like they did last season but it should not be 8-18. That awful record is totally 100% on Woodson.

    I agree that woody is an idiot and he should have been going small all year, I cant really say that I would be playing 2 pg lineups at this point. I have to really squint to find one pg that I would ever want on the floor at this point, let alone 2

  34. JK47

    Injuries or not, 1-14 (forget about chris smith) are all legit NBA players.

    Yeah, but most of them are back-of-the-roster types, not rotation mainstays on good teams. All three of our point guards are better suited as backup point guards. Shump is a mediocre rotation guard. JR is talented but an incredibly destructive player– most good teams wouldn’t want him. Bargnani is a giant net negative, a situational player at best. Stat is a shell of himself, wouldn’t get big minutes on a quality team. K-Mart and MWP can both play but they’re bench pieces.

    This team is all nuts and bolts, no chrome and leather.

  35. coyle022

    Damn Bargs plays like a poor-man’s Zydrunas Ilgauskas. No intensity at any point in the ballgame. Even when he is fired up (KG incident vs BKN) he still looks like he’s sleepwalking

  36. BigBlueAL

    Exactly cgreene. The problem is the front office probably believes the same thing hence not firing Woody yet because they probably agree with his bullshit assessment.

  37. cgreene

    Yes, BBA. He has the FO convinced that the way to win is to be big. Except of course if you are the Heat and just won 2 straight titles with an exceptionally small and poor rebounding team.

  38. JK47

    The crazy thing about Bargs is that he has actually played better than a lot of us have expected, yet he’s still gob-smackingly awful.

  39. JK47

    I get the feeling that Bargs started the season thinking, “I’m gonna prove everybody wrong and show them what I can do,” and then after about 7 or 8 games he just decided “fuck that.”

  40. BigBlueAL

    All this futile comeback has done is definitely kept Woodson’s job. Losing by 20+ wouldve been better.

  41. BigBlueAL

    Woodson is going to make sure that every game from now on the Knicks finish with 0 timeouts left lol.

  42. ephus

    So ugly.

    Fire Woodson!

    New broom sweeps clean.

    Let everyone know that the new coach has the authority to get laggards shipped out.

  43. maxwell_3g

    while I agree with al that the knicks ownership is never going to do something forward thinking like blowing this mess up…..isn’t there a chance that melo forces our hand. I know that would be a PR nightmare, but cant I hope. cant he state that he doesn’t want to resign here (hell, say its the owner) and wouldn’t this force us to blow things up? melo to the clips in a 3 team trade. cant you guys just see blake griffin in a suns uni? dragic and some pics wouldn’t be bad, would it?

  44. JK47

    I think it’s only a matter of time before the “Melo wants to leave” rumors start. In the end he’ll probably just walk and we’ll get nothing in return because Knicks.

  45. BigBlueAL

    Yeah, I would think the only way the Knicks front office blows it up is if Melo basically demands a trade.

  46. Kikuchiyo

    Well, every once in a while, you run into a team that can’t miss a shot.

    Not today, of course. The Grizzlies were terrible from outside. Just awful. If the Knicks had even tried to get some rebounds, they would have won this pretty easily.

  47. Tony Pena

    It really should be just Prigs/Murry getting PG minutes. With some Melo/JR/Shump and even Hardaway taking the rest of the ball handling minutes.

  48. JK47

    Next year’s team is going to be just insanely bad. And of course we’ll have loads of expiring contracts to trade for worse longer-term contracts, so things are about to get really Knicksy around here.

  49. massive

    If Melo leaves, I don’t really blame him. I won’t even care about getting anything back in return. Dolan’s presence is too heavy on this team for us to win anything more than 30 games a year.

  50. d-mar

    Pretty incredible that we committed only 7 turnovers, the Grizzlies were 1-9 from 3 point range and they still kicked our ass.

    I guess getting slightly outrebounded 56-29 might have had something to do with it.

  51. yellowboy90

    Are the knicks running a lot of isolation. I mean they are posting Melo up but I see the ball swinging. Late game Isos have been bad but anyone have the numbers?

  52. Kahnzy

    I guess getting slightly outrebounded 56-29 might have had something to do with it.

    Turns out the West is pretty big too. To bad our counter to this is to start Bargs for his size and rebounding ability.

  53. DRed

    What was dumber, playing Melo 41 minutes to make the final score closer, or playing Tyson 33 minutes to make the final score closer?

  54. yellowboy90

    @ ephus

    So what you’re saying is they should never play Bargs because Melo “never” goes to the bench. lol.

  55. tastycakes

    The worst thing that can happen is Melo leaving for nothing, with our lottery pick going to the Nugs.
    Awful – Melo deciding to leave without telling us, and we manage to swing a sign-and-trade, where we can a platter of semi-useful garbage from the Lakers or something.
    Also awful – Melo announcing to the world he’s leaving and forcing the Knicks to make a trade where they lack leverage. Bad situation, and we won’t get the best value.

    The best thing to do is to tell the league that Melo is available and that we require at least 5 young assets (first round picks and/or promising young players) to make the deal. If that doesn’t light a fire under his ass, fine, we’ll blow it up. Somebody will make that deal.

    I mean, it’s not totally Melo’s fault, he and Chandler are the only starting quality NBA players on the team, but if he cripples our cap with a max deal, this team’s going nowhere for the rest of the decade. Trading Melo probably does mean the team will be bad for a few years, but I’d take it to have a team full of young guys on the ascent, who compete / play like they give a shit, and to have the opportunity to find a generational superstar in a future draft (which we’re missing on this year because our team is run by imbeciles).

    Blow it up!

  56. tastycakes

    What’s funny is that “the Bargnaniamare survival guide” sounds like Bargnani-nightmare survival guide, perhaps the title of the 2014-15 Knicks season preview.

  57. DRed

    Gotta call Frank out for being totally wrong on that one.

    Seriously -could he have been more wrong about our interest in Hassan Whiteside?

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