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Friday, September 19, 2014

2013-14 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Bullets

WIN-NING STREAK! WIN-NING STREAK!

265 comments on “2013-14 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Bullets

  1. llcoolbp

    Been lurking most of the offseason and most of the season so far. Just wanted to say this board is much more interesting and colorful when the Knicks are losing. So thanks to everyone for that. Hopefully, this team can find some consistency in the next few weeks with Tyson coming back. The Atlantic and 3 seed is there for the taking in the weak east. Who knows with a healthy Tyson chandler, rejuvenated stat, and prigs in the starting lineup from here on out, maybe this team gets back to the point where we actually actually can enjoy Knicks basketball again. Fingers crossed.

  2. llcoolbp

    Breen orgasming over prigs during the pre-game. Yes we get it, the Knicks are better with him on the floor. More importantly, Woodsen better get the message.

  3. Owen

    It’s true he is going nuts over Prigioni. But why not? How long has it taken for the Knicks to see his value? Do they even at this point or are they just playing him because of Felton’s injury?

  4. Kahnzy

    I wonder if, when Smith visits the local nightlife, people in the clubs boo him. They should, it might work.

  5. Owen

    We’re winning this game right. Right? Wait, we are losing? Doesn’t seem possible.

    That steal by Prigioni was AMAZING. I can’t believe JR is out on the floor, killing us…

  6. ephus

    I had criticized Bargnani’s inability to convert when he gets to the rim in prior games. It seems as if he has been working on that – as demonstrated by two three point plays.

  7. Kahnzy

    I love Melo drawing that lest second foul.

    Agreed. Soooooooooo much better than a contested pull-up 18fter

  8. ephus

    I think it is safe to say that Udrih/Shumpert/MWP/STAT does not generate ball movement. That was truly ugly offense.

  9. ephus

    That TH Jr layup courtesy of the pass out of the post by Melo. Prior trip down the court, Melo gets the assist on the Udrih 3.

  10. ephus

    Melo drew the double team, Udrih swung the ball and Shumpert clanged the catch-and-shoot corner 3. Don’t stop moving he ball, Carmelo!

  11. Kahnzy

    Well, at least JR took it to the basket instead of settling for a long 2. Also, TH2=future, don’t trade it please.

  12. Nick C.

    Just like the Atlanta game tutnovers by the opposition are keeping this a game. That and THJ making some baskets.

  13. ephus

    Wizards are doubling Melo on the catch.
    Melo is swinging the ball to the perimeter.
    Knicks are swinging the ball to the open man for a 3.
    And . . . the shots are not falling.

    On the defensive end, the Knicks can not leave Webster alone at the 3 point line. That is the one flaw I have seen in Melo’s performance tonight.

  14. AvonBarksdale

    On just for a mere moment I think the whole team shared the ball and took turns taking point except bargs and it was good..and if the shots were falling it would be even better

  15. ephus

    If the Wizards are going to keep doubling Melo on the catch, they may be able to get away with taking Prigioni out and letting someone else cover Wall. Free Tour’e?

  16. BigBlueAL

    After the way Wall is toying with the Knicks tonight the Raptors tomorrow will be getting the 2018 and 2020 first rd picks, Shump and TH JR for Lowry.

  17. hoolahoop

    The knicks played a good half, but didn’t close out the 2nd quarter well. “The shot’s just weren’t falling” (31.9%) makes sense this game . They had a lot of good looks. And everything was falling for Washington (55.6%).

  18. hoolahoop

    Trading TH2 would be a big mistake. There’s nothing he doesn’t do well, and he’s still a kid. With more experience, when he’s gets stronger, he can be an all star. He’s a long term keeper.

  19. Donnie Walsh

    Trading TH2 would be a big mistake. There’s nothing he doesn’t do well, and he’s still a kid. With more experience, when he’s gets stronger, he can be an all star. He’s a long term keeper.

    …and Landry Fields was “the next John Havlicek” halfway through his rookie year.

  20. DRed

    Trading TH2 would be a big mistak. There’s nothing he doesn’t do well, and he’s still a kid.

    He doesn’t rebound, pass or play defense well.

  21. Kahnzy

    …and Landry Fields was “the next John Havlicek” halfway through his rookie year.

    You’re absolutely right. Fields was a bust, so obviously that means TH2 will be a bust as well.

  22. Kahnzy

    Holy crap, we’ve taken more FT’s this game than the Wizards have. Is that the first time this season where we’ve shot more than the other guys?

  23. Kahnzy

    Holy crap, we’ve taken more FT’s this game than the Wizards have. Is that the first time this season where we’ve shot more than the other guys?

    Although not for a lack of trying with some of these gamble fouls we’re making.

  24. AvonBarksdale

    I hate that melo and stat don’t work together more frequently on the offense especially with how we closed out that third quarter melo is the star blah blah blah two points would’ve been nice and more efficient he says he wants this shit to change but look at the comfortable predictable stuff keeps going…holy shit Pablo noooo!

  25. Brian Cronin

    Every other possession is a freakin’ foul. It is not fun to watch. I mean, I’m glad when it is the other team fouling the Knicks but blech, not fun to watch.

  26. Kahnzy

    8:40 to go and Knicks are shooting FT’s the rest of the way. Don’t see that in Knick games very often.

  27. ephus

    Horrible coaching by Whitman. He has taken the ball out of Wall’s hands when the Knicks were down to one PG and the refs were whistling everything.

  28. BigBlueAL

    We see that often but its usually the opposing team shooting the penalty so early in a quarter lol.

  29. Kahnzy

    We see that often but its usually the opposing team shooting the penalty so early in a quarter lol.

    That’s what I meant. Let’s see if we’re smart enough to take advantage…doesn’t look like it so far.

  30. Hubert

    We just double teamed Bradley Beal 40 feet from the basket to create a wide open 3 for Webster.

    Fucking hell this team.

  31. Kahnzy

    The nice thing about us sucking for so much of the year is that losing this game won’t bother me too much. Last year I’d have lost sleep over it. This year has calloused my soul to these sorts of games.

  32. Kahnzy

    So instead of benching JR, we make him our PG. Yeah, this should work out just swell.

    Sense the sarcasm…

  33. Kahnzy

    Melo may be on fire right now, but Joe Johnson is 10-14 from 3 in the Net/76′er game. Goodness gracious

  34. ephus

    Now that Washington is expecting the swing to the corner, it’s time to attack the rim when the ball starts moving.

  35. Brian Cronin

    That Wall pass was beyond moronic, by the way. He had Bargs completely beat and he decided to pass up a shot for some odd reason when he had no one open. So dumb.

  36. Brian Cronin

    Thank goodness that Wall three was an airball! Wall is playing poorly now at just the right time.

  37. Kahnzy

    I cant watch this possession….

    I’m doing the hand covering my eyes with a slight hole to peek through thing right now

  38. Brian Cronin

    Woody, seriously, there are times when you don’t call a timeout at the end of the game like that. It is when your players know what to do. This clearly was not that time.

    Oh. My. God.

  39. Nick C.

    Are you kidding me. What kinda crap was that. Four seconds and loll it up for a contested falling 40 footer.

  40. coyle022

    there’s no excuse here for Woodson. Anyone who continues to blame it on injuries, jr, poor role players. it’s bullshit. You can’t blame anyone except Woodson for the debacle that has been this season. Good coaches do not allow this type of nonsense to occur. THEY JUST DONT!

  41. BigBlueAL

    I would honestly rather have any random high school coach right now over Woodson. Even they can teach basic defensive principles and have a clue on how to manage the clock. Unbelievable.

  42. maxwell_3g

    heeelarious!!!!!
    what was worse? a) udrich getting beat to the hoop so easily; b) udrich deciding that the last 6 seconds of a game is the appropriate time to discuss defensive communication issues (as opposed to inbounding the damn ball), or c) melo walking the ball up the court to set up a running, leaning, 30 footer?

  43. coyle022

    Martell Webster drops 30. Thirty points for a guy off the bench. Who isn’t even that good! He’s more or less an average NBA role player but against the Knicks he looks like f***ing Reggie Miller

  44. Kikuchiyo

    FIRST they blew the 2 for 1 with 45 seconds left. Could have EASILY finished the play with 30+ seconds but Udrih shoots with 24 left.

    SECOND they blow the timeout. Maybe you don’t call a timeout with 10-20 seconds left. But 6? You HAVE to call it. They had THREE timeouts left!!!!

    Perfect way to waste a good effort.

  45. BigBlueAL

    Lenny Wilkens got fired for losing a string of close games and some of them were actually just tough luck. These losses are totally inexcusable from a coaching standpoint, not to mention constantly letting teams shoot 50% and have a field day from 3pt range. This has to freaking end now.

  46. Hubert

    I can’t even get mad any more.

    Did we really just try to close out a game defensively w JR, Bargnani, and Udrih on the court together? I mean really?

  47. flossy

    That was the dumbest fucking half-minute of basketball I have ever watched.

    Time to fire Woodson and burn this motha down

  48. Kahnzy

    Well, at least we have amazing material for a truly epic recap later. I, for one, am really looking forward to it.

  49. BigBlueAL

    I would be league MVP if I could face these Knicks 82 times. Im just a fat, out of shape spot-up 3pt shooter so I would have a field day with all the open 3pters I would get against this pathetic defense.

  50. maxwell_3g

    im actually ok with not calling a timeout, but that is assuming your players have a clue. I like the idea of attacking the defense and putting them on their heels tyus edney style, but as melo was walking the ball up the court and udrich was still discussing defensive philosophy, clearly we were not putting anyone on their heels

  51. coyle022

    “Did we really just try to close out a game defensively w JR, Bargnani, and Udrih on the court together? I mean really?”

    +1

    Seriously bring in Murry for Udrih, Shump for JR, and Aldrich for Bargs.

    But no we’ll play arguably 3 of the worst defensive players in the entire league together with a 1 point lead

  52. d-mar

    The dumbest team in the NBA run by the dumbest coach in the NBA, a perfect combination of absolute stupidity.

  53. johnno

    I’m usually a big Woodson defender but that was indefensible. How did that ending happen? Unbelievable. Unbelievable.

  54. Robtachi

    In all seriousness, Wizards shot 54% and 62% from 3; Knicks shot 42% and 37%. Can’t say the Knicks would’ve earned this one.

  55. EB

    Thanks Kikuchiyo.

    Damn I hate that I’m a fan of this team. I could stand losing if it were an issue of lack of talent, or at least if it were a rebuilding project. What I can’t stand is the monumental incompetence this organization has shown from top to bottom. No picks, bad coaching, and players making stupid plays.

  56. hoolahoop

    If Woodstupid replaced Spoelstra, the Heat would be a .500 ball club.
    If Woodstupid replaced Vogel, the Pacers would be fighting for a playoff spot.

  57. catrufus

    Hey, the Knicks are winning! Maybe it’d be a good idea to take a study break and watch the end of the game. I’m sure that will boost my spirits for the final exam tomorrow! Let’s just turn this on and…

    Oh… damn.

    Goddamn.

    Why would… How did… What… What am I doing with my life? :(

  58. ruruland

    I think that was on Melo. I think the Knicks had the timeout called and Melo shook it off. I’m sorry you guys had to go through that.

    Horrible decision by Melo. Obviously Woodson is a bad coach for a lot of reasons, but Melo’s has fallen short all season late in games/second halves/last second shots…

    It’s on him.

  59. EB

    The dumbest team in the NBA run by the dumbest coach in the NBA, a perfect combination of absolute stupidity.

    @ dmar, You left out the dumbest owner, and president of basketball operations, and team doctors, etc. I guess you’d probably run out of characters if you had to list them though, huh?

  60. BigBlueAL

    Woodson is taking blame for not calling a timeout so I dunno whose fault it was. Someone needs to look at the replay and just watch Woodson and see what he was doing after the layup was made.

  61. Brian Cronin

    m actually ok with not calling a timeout, but that is assuming your players have a clue. I like the idea of attacking the defense and putting them on their heels tyus edney style, but as melo was walking the ball up the court and udrich was still discussing defensive philosophy, clearly we were not putting anyone on their heels

    Oh definitely. I mentioned before that there are certainly times where no timeout makes sense there. Like Utah after Jordan’s back-breaking game-winner back in 1998. They didn’t take the timeout and I think that that was definitely the right call. Stockton got a really good look as a result. He just didn’t make. So I am fine with the idea in certain cases. Like when you trust your point guard, for instance. Or when you let the team know what you want them to do if the other team scores. This, though, was clearly not a time to be going without a timeout.

  62. coyle022

    Woodson is taking blame for not calling a timeout so I dunno whose fault it was. Someone needs to look at the replay and just watch Woodson and see what he was doing after the layup was made.

    saw the replay, Woodson just stood there with that “Are you kidding me?” look and his hands slightly raised

  63. BigBlueAL

    Also lost in the timeout crap was the AWFUL defense on Beal’s layup. Udrih is left covering him and he clearly forces him left yet there is no help whatsoever and looks stunned by that. I dunno what the hell they talked about in the huddle before that possession but if that isnt indicative of god awful coaching then I dunno what is.

  64. nyk8806

    fuk missed this one and was following on scorecenter, which for several minutes showed that last melo 3 as going in, final score 104-102 knicks–YESSSS!!!!!! So I looked away to read the comments on KB…and slowly it became NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! WTF SMH FML

  65. Brian Cronin

    I’m not much of a Woodson fan, but while I agree that it was an indefensible decision by him, I also don’t think that it was quite as bad as some of the reaction is. Was it a bad call? Yes, definitely, but I Don’t think one single call is that big of a deal. I would like to see him replaced for a whole lot of other reasons, not just for one really dumb end of the game call.

  66. Brian Cronin

    I think that was on Melo. I think the Knicks had the timeout called and Melo shook it off. I’m sorry you guys had to go through that.

    Horrible decision by Melo. Obviously Woodson is a bad coach for a lot of reasons, but Melo’s has fallen short all season late in games/second halves/last second shots…

    It’s on him.

    Do you really think he called the timeout off? If so, that’s kind of nuts, isn’t it? Because he kind of walked the ball up and then rushed the runner, which is kind of not what you’d expect if it was his idea not to take a timeout. So weird.

  67. coyle022

    Wow, I jokingly said “bring up Chris Smith for PG” and Woodson just said they ACTUALLY might consider bringing him up!!!! this is a disgrace….talk about a joke of an organization

  68. JK47

    This is a dreadful team with terrible, broken down players playing rock-headed, low IQ basketball, coached by a moron. They’re so bad it’s not even fun when they win.

  69. Brian Cronin

    Woodson said he “didn’t react quickly enough” to call a timeout. that’s pathetic

    Okay, I rescind my earlier comment. If he seriously is going with that as his explanation, he probably should be fired. However, I think ruru might be correct and Woodson is trying to take the blame off of Melo.

  70. coyle022

    This game/season has pretty much just been a worst nightmare for any and all Knick fans. If we see Chris Smith running the show I think that will be the breaking point for many fans, even the loyalest of Knick fans would be furious is Chris Smith actually ends up on the court. It can’t happen people. WE CAN’T ALLOW THIS!!

  71. maxwell_3g

    we agree on this brian, but at the same time, if woodson’s defense is “I didn’t react in time to call the timeout”, that is truly pathetic

  72. BigBlueAL

    The Knicks also had a foul to give apparently. Udrih couldve just grabbed Beal as soon as he felt he was getting blown by.

  73. d-mar

    The Knicks had a foul to give and didn’t foul, I guess they were saving it for the next game.

    Have the Knicks won one close game this season? They are completely clueless in late game situations.

  74. Brian Cronin

    I am more sympathetic to Udrih there. What are the chances that Beal gets the shot up anyways. He was so close to the basket that it would be very possible. And then it’s a three-point play. The time to do a hard foul was before his move but obviously you can’t do a hard foul if you think that you have help coming, which he didn’t realize he didn’t have until it was too late.

  75. BigBlueAL

    The 33 win Knicks team Isiah coached was 100X better coached in late game situations than this team. Think about that. That bad team coached by Isiah and led by Marbury won a bunch of buzzer-beaters and ot games. They never looked this awful and clueless in late game situations. Thats freaking sad.

  76. Brian Cronin

    D’Antoni’s teams were never particularly good at the end of games, either. Remember the infamous Al Harrington end of the game play where he just lost the inbounds out of bounds and barreled into a Raptors player fouling him down 2 at the end of the game?

  77. Kikuchiyo

    Is the mention of Marbury a sign that we’ve reached the Godwin’s Law of Knickerblogger conversations?

  78. BigBlueAL

    Those D’Antoni teams werent exactly built to win games, the exact opposite actually. Its inexcusable for a team with the aspirations this team has to be this poorly coached. Inexcusable.

  79. EB

    Maybe JR is Woodson’s drug dealer. It would explain both why Woodson is so clueless and also why he gives JR playing time. 1 unit of the drug of the night = 5 min playing time.

  80. coyle022

    Imagine if Chris Smith gets the call-up and leads the Knicks to a 5-6 game winning streak? and puts up Jeremy Lin-esque #’s

    1/2Pipe-Sanity is approaching

  81. hoolahoop

    JR does postgame interview with all the knicks plays listed on the whiteboard behind him. The organization is comical genius.

  82. ephus

    That loss is on Woodson.

    Have to go 2 for 1 when you have the ball tied with 48 seconds to go.

    Udrih was bailed out on a last second penetration.

    Have to use Shumpert on Beal for that last stop.

    Have to call timeout.

    Wittman was the only man in MSG who could cool off Wall. Woodson saw Wittman’s horrible coaching and raised to moronic.

    I have not blasted Woodson all season. This was awful.

  83. johnno

    What really hurts is that, for most of the fourth quarter, they did exactly what they should have done — not much ISO-ball, Melo passing out of double teams, open shots, guys actually hitting open shots and then…
    And what I really hate is that I will swear that I’m done with this team and that I’ll never watch them again but, when Wednesday rolls around, I’ll be back in front of the TV. I really and truly wish that I didn’t care so much about this team, but I do.

  84. maxwell_3g

    why is toure murray on the team if not to check beal there??? why is mwp on the tea if not to play d to get one stop? shump? it just makes no damn sense

  85. maxwell_3g

    if I could have one wish…. well, I wont wish injury upon beno and toure, just a stomach virus. I want lil’ pipe to have t play 30 minutes as a point guard, just for one game, so we can all witness just how ridiculous the fact that he is on our roster is

  86. dtrickey

    I watched the last little bit of the 4th in my lunch break. I have been an advocate for trying to stay positive, but these close games against teams that were supposed to suck (Washington were probably competing for a low seed this year I guess) are killing me. I said this after the Boston game, but my tombstone will read “died of an aneurysm induced by the New York Knicks”.

    I think the sooner we get Chandler back the better (sorry to state the bleeding obvious). Obviously on the defensive end (I really don’t think Green attempts that drive in Boston game with Chandler lurking nor Beal today), but from a leadership perspective.

    I think I’ll go to the pub for the remainder of lunch for some very stiff drinks. Lord knows it’s not the first time this team has driven me to the drink.

  87. JK47

    JR does postgame interview with all the knicks plays listed on the whiteboard behind him. The organization is comical genius.

    The whiteboard just said “give it to Melo”

  88. Brian Cronin

    The ridiculous thing is that they’re clearly going to beat Milwaukee on Wednesday and then Woodson will get a reprieve. They literally can’t win for losing.

  89. EB

    JR does postgame interview with all the knicks plays listed on the whiteboard behind him. The organization is comical genius.

    The whiteboard just said “give it to Melo”

    You left out their defensive plays. Oh wait… nvm.

  90. johnno

    Melo just said, “I think we were expecting a timeout.” He also said, “If he (Woodson) said it was his fault, it was his fault.” Holy crap. Why am I torturing myself watching the post game?

  91. flossy

    Even if you don’t call time out after a made basket at the end of the game, that has to be the discussed and understood strategy. That has to be THE plan. The Knicks didn’t have ANY plan at all! They got easily scored on and then the entire team, coach included, stood around being like “lol wut” as Melo WALKED the ball up the court and then airballed up a 29′ fadeaway in double coverage.

    How is a professional basketball team so stupid?!

  92. Hubert

    coyle022
    December 16, 2013 at 10:13 pm
    Well maybe we can call up Chris Smith to run the point now that Pablo is injured

    Woodson was asked about this and he actually said it’s a possibility. Didn’t seem to be just giving lip service, either.

  93. BigBlueAL

    Great Melo quote from after the game I just saw on Twitter:

    Melo on Woody taking blame: “If he says it’s his fault, it’s his fault.”

  94. hoolahoop

    Woodson took the blame and said the loss was his fault.
    I actually felt sorry for him. He looked pathetic in the post game interview. You don’t want to fire a coach for making a mistake in a game. We’re all human, but c’mon dude, get it together.

  95. ruruland

    I was wrong.

    Chris Herring twitter feed.
    Melo, on Woody taking the blame for not calling timeout: “If he says it’s his fault, it’s his fault.” Says tm shouldve known situation, too

    Melo reiterates that he/the team wasn’t told to call timeout beforehand.

    Melo: “I think we were expecting a timeout. Everything just happened so fast.” Says team should’ve called one, but didn’t, and paid price.

  96. flossy

    Chris Herring ? @HerringWSJ
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    Melo, on Woody taking the blame for not calling timeout: “If he says it’s his fault, it’s his fault.” Says tm shouldve known situation, too

    Translation: “this dude is fired”

  97. BigBlueAL

    Im sure all the analysts on TV and online will continue to just say its the roster and not Woodson’s fault.

  98. JK47

    What I wouldn’t give to watch an up-and-coming team with young players instead of this motley gang of over-the-hill stiffs. I mean, the fat and terrible point guard gets hurt, so we have to rely on the minimum salary 40-year old from Argentina, and then when he gets hurt we have to rely on another minimum salary castoff. All because we let the young, promising point guard that fell in our laps leave and got nothing in return.

  99. ruruland

    Yeah, Woodson is done. I’d be shocked if he’s around tomorrow. Melo wouldn’t throw him under the bus if he wasn’t.

    Allan Houston I’d guess as interim.

  100. Hubert

    I’m not much of a Woodson fan, but while I agree that it was an indefensible decision by him, I also don’t think that it was quite as bad as some of the reaction is. Was it a bad call? Yes, definitely, but I Don’t think one single call is that big of a deal. I would like to see him replaced for a whole lot of other reasons, not just for one really dumb end of the game call.

    Let’s be honest, had he called time out and drawn up a play, we still would have ended up with Melo taking a bad last second off balance long jumper.

    The defense on the possession before was worse than the lack of calling timeout. Game-winning shots are inherently difficult. We made it so easy for them.

  101. Brian Cronin

    Shump’s quotes are bad, too. “We didn’t think about whether to call a timeout if they scored because we were so sure that we’d get a stop.” Say whaaaaaaaaaaaa?

  102. dtrickey

    What’s missed in all of this is the knicks, overall, played a good game.

    I only saw the 4th, but from the the part I saw they did look to be putting in a good effort and Washington certainly aren’t the pushovers they used to be. However when you are 7-17 it gets hard to brush off and stomach a loss like this (in what was a very winnable game) because they played well. If the effort and execution is there, fine, sometimes it’s not your night. The problem (amongst other things of late) really has been our lack of compusre and ability to execute down the strecth.

  103. hoolahoop

    The ridiculous thing is that they’re clearly going to beat Milwaukee on Wednesday and then Woodson will get a reprieve.

    You mean an extension.

  104. Hubert

    So Alan Hahn says Woodson said “the plan was for Metta to come in for Udrih, it just didn’t happen.”

    How is that possible?

    HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?

    And Woodson says “the plan was to call a timeout” and “the plan was to use the foul.”

    Are these plans or wishes? You can make these things happen. Why is nothing that he plans happening?

    And what the hell are we waiting for right now? Why isn’t he fired yet?

  105. BigBlueAL

    If he wanted MWP in for Udrih then why the hell wasnt he in already after the timeout?? WTF kinda explanation is that??

  106. Robtachi

    Honestly, truly honestly, aside from a crappy start to the season, Melo has been awesome. He’s been single-handedly keeping the Knicks in games for weeks now, even if he trails off in the 4th (which I think has been an overly belabored point anyway).

    I will not shed a single goddamn tear if he gets Woody fired. I didn’t care when he got D’antoni fired either. I think he’s helped the Knicks more than people give him credit for by getting rid of two guys (hopefully) he realizes cannot be part of an actual contender.

  107. JK47

    If Allan Houston becomes the coach, does he have to endure the same shit of James Dolan’s goons following him around everywhere?

  108. Brian Cronin

    Washington called timeout after Udrih’s free throws. If they plan was for MWP to come in, how did it not happen? I tend to believe Woody is just lying.

  109. JK47

    If he wanted MWP in for Udrih then why the hell wasnt he in already after the timeout?? WTF kinda explanation is that??

    The plan was to put MWP in the game during the timeout, but then things just happened so fast. Or something like that. That’s all I got.

  110. hoolahoop

    In all fairness, what Melo meant was, Woodson already admitted making the mistake. Don’t ask him to say it was Woodson’s fault.
    It just came out bad.

  111. flossy

    I will not shed a single goddamn tear if he gets Woody fired. I didn’t care when he got D’antoni fired either. I think he’s helped the Knicks more than people give him credit for by getting rid of two guys (hopefully) he realizes cannot be part of an actual contender.

    I won’t shed a tear, but I’m getting nervous about who is going to replace him.

    And please tell me the Chris Smith stuff is a joke. We’re not seriously going to call him up now that Prigs in injured. I would trade my left net for Kyle Lowry sooner than that.

  112. Hubert

    The plan was to put MWP in the game during the timeout, but then things just happened so fast. Or something like that. That’s all I got.

    No, he couldn’t call the timeout because things happened so fast.

    There was no explanation for why the plan was to put MWP in but it didn’t happen. He [Alan Hahn] just said Woodson said that was the plan but it didn’t happen. I guess Metta was in the bathroom and they decided they needed to save their timeouts so they could not use them if washington scored.

    Speaking of the last play, I think if you look at Melo and the way he slowed it up I think he was expecting a TO to be called. Which is weird because he has the ball in his hand and presumably he knows that he can call time out.

    my god, what a clusterfuck.

  113. BigBlueAL

    Chris Smith needs to get called up just to have healthy bodies active. The real joke would be if he gets actual playing time over Murry.

  114. Brian Cronin

    I think we might see Smith called up just because the Knicks’ inactive list is now already filled (Felton, Prigs and Chandler) so Smith might as well join the team to be an emergency player. I mean, obviously the best thing would be for him to be cut and the Knicks to sign an actual point guard, but if that is not an option, then calling him up actually does make sense. Just so long as they only play him in an absolute emergency.

  115. hoolahoop

    Yeah, Woodson is done. I’d be shocked if he’s around tomorrow. Melo wouldn’t throw him under the bus if he wasn’t.

    Melo didn’t throw Woodson under the bus. It just came out that way.
    Everyone was surprisingly together after the game, not pointing fingers. That’s a good sign. If only they could be together on the court for 48 minutes.
    Actually, I thought this was one of the best games the knicks played this season, not counting the last 48 seconds.

  116. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Martell Webster … shot creation … clock management … the First Amendment … defensive substitutions … personal liberty … volume scoring … the Straight Shot … PER … usage rate … harumph

  117. coyle022

    Hubert December 16, 2013 at 10:46 pm

    coyle022
    December 16, 2013 at 10:13 pm
    Well maybe we can call up Chris Smith to run the point now that Pablo is injured

    Woodson was asked about this and he actually said it’s a possibility. Didn’t seem to be just giving lip service, either.

    The funny thing is, that post was a joke. End of game frustrations talking. And then to hear Woodson actually say it was a possibility?!?!?! wow , just ….wow

  118. BigBlueAL

    Just name Herb or Darell Walker head coach. Either of them I would hope could at least get this team to the playoffs in this conference.

    Hopefully then in the offseason they hire a real head coach. I wouldnt get my hopes up but considering both Berman and Isola reported that Dolan has real interest in bringing JVG back and JVG has seemed to be open to the idea with his quotes over the summer (in terms of he seems to be on good terms with Dolan and is taking blame and showing regret for quitting when he did) we can only dream and hope.

  119. flossy

    Actually, I thought this was one of the best games the knicks played this season, not counting the last 48 seconds.

    Yeah! My favorite part was when the Knicks let Washington shoot 54% from the field (61% from 3).

  120. Brian Cronin

    It was pretty funny to see how methodically Beal worked the Knicks’ dumb switching strategy at the end. Got Bargs on him twice and nailed the three both times.

  121. Hubert

    On the melo “if he says it’s fault” quote, it was not a throw woodson under the bus line. i just saw the whole thing. he went on to say “we as players have to know what we’re supposed to do” and took responsibility to. it really is being taken out of context.

  122. Robtachi

    Yeah, overall this was another dogshit defensive effort, and the offense wasn’t that great either, just tons of turnovers and FTs.

  123. maxwell_3g

    flossy, what is up with this fascination with lowry. our team sucks. why are you wanting to double down to acquire an average point guard. this type of move is how we got into this situation

  124. hoolahoop

    hoolahoop: Actually, I thought this was one of the best games the knicks played this season, not counting the last 48 seconds.

    flossy: Yeah! My favorite part was when the Knicks let Washington shoot 54% from the field (61% from 3).

    @ flossy – I know you’d prefer the knicks trade all their first round picks along with all their best young players to get Kyle Lowry to help them become an 8th seed.
    I couldn’t disagree more.

  125. Hubert

    Can’t we all just buy cheap tickets to the next game and sing “Fuck James Dolan” to the clap clap clap-clap-clap tune?

    I mean, how has that not happened yet?

    And then we should do it at a JD & the straight shot show.

    We really need to start hurting this man as much as he’s hurt us. (nonviolently, of course – I’m not advocating violence against the man, just humiliation. He apparently was at the game with two supermodels tonight. Life is just wrong.)

  126. BigBlueAL

    If he was at the game tonight how the hell does he leave that arena w/o firing Woodson?? Seriously this guy has made a shitload of stupid/rash decisions but the one time fans would actually agree and applaud an instant firing he doesnt do it lol.

  127. AvonBarksdale

    we should be trying to actually do things that like i dunno make sense like getting a shot off faster with 36 seconds left in the game rather than let them have the last possession like who gives a fuck and i dunno maybe pay attention to our fouls to give and timeouts to use, this coach sucks and he doesn’t deserve to take anymore credit last season he is the coach he was in round two of the playoffs and the coach we’ve seen this season completely in over his head, totally inept. Melo doesn’t want to take any blame but the way he closed out the third quarter going for contested three pointer while we had the lead and other options on the court it’s all bad habits, losing track of webster just losing focus, all these bad habits i seen this when d’antoni was here we can never hope to go deep in the playoffs without real leaders keeping this entire collection of knuckleheads focused plenty blame to go around but this is equally melo and beno and coach woodson’s fault just call the fucking timeout our whole team except shump and thj take 6 seconds just to dribble two feet. who on this team doesn’t see that???

  128. BigBlueAL

    Brian, stop trying to decipher the meaning behind Woodson’s explanations. You are gonna give yourself a headache lol.

  129. hoolahoop

    “We were supposed to call the timeout but we didn’t.” What does that even mean?!

    “Ya know. The coach was supposed to do it. Hold it, I’m the coach.”

  130. ruruland

    I thought the offense was solid in terms of creating the shots it should want.

    Defense was ok, the Wizards made quite a few bad shots.

  131. hoolahoop

    I thought the offense was solid in terms of creating the shots it should want.

    Defense was ok, the Wizards made quite a few bad shots.

    I agree 100%. Knicks moved the ball well and took good shots. Washington is much much better than they used to be.

    It’s too bad the knicks don’t have a coach that could give them an edge so when that stuff happens they can still close it out.

  132. BigBlueAL

    I will say this, if Chandler plays tonight the Knicks win this game because Beal wouldnt have been able to comfortably shoot those 3pters late in the game with Chandler switched on him like he did with Bargs on him.

  133. Brian Cronin

    That last “We were supposed to call timeout but we didn’t” was from Melo. What does that mean?

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