Comments on: 2012 Report Card: Landry Fields

By: Thomas B.

Thomas B. — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:31:15 +0000

Not that this matters at this point but I did notice in several game threads people talking about how poorly Shump gets over/fights through screens. Is that not part of defense? I’m not sure what stat captures that. I’m pretty sure PER doesn’t, does synergy show you stuff like that?

By: Thomas B.

Thomas B. — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:19:32 +0000

Marcel:
Yep
Just a quick search:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201201240CHA.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201201310NYK.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201202150NYK.html

No game against the Bobcats counts.

By: Thomas B.

Thomas B. — Mon, 04 Jun 2012 14:37:01 +0000

Considering that the team was one of the best defensive teams in the NBA, I’d be inclined to give very few failing defensive grades. For example, the solid Fields got a bump to 4 for fitting into an overall strong defensive team. He still rebounds well for his position (8th in NBA for guards, Shump was 29th), and I consider reducing scoring chances a part of defense. Fields was 18th in steals by position, Shump was 4th. I would say that Fields is closer to Shumps level of steals than SHump is to Fields level of rebounds.

I don’t say any of this to argue that Fields is as good a defensive player as Shump. I just think Fields is effective in other ways that are harder to appreciate than the skillset Shump brings on defense.

Just about everyone showed defensive energy even though there were some people clearly better performers than others. Effort counts even if execution isnt always the best. I’d probably give Amare a 4 as well. I did not think we could give half grades, so I round up to the next number. It is nt just the individual defense, the team defensive concept is important too.

By: jon abbey

jon abbey — Sat, 02 Jun 2012 00:19:16 +0000

Marcel: So this argument it’s pointless.

what argument here isn't, especially when every discussion essentially disappears after a day or two?

By: TelegraphedPass

TelegraphedPass — Fri, 01 Jun 2012 22:29:48 +0000

ruruland: I don’t think so

"Damn." -Jared Jeffries

By: ruruland

ruruland — Fri, 01 Jun 2012 22:11:47 +0000

TelegraphedPass: Also charges drawn, I believe!

I don't think so

By: Marcel

Marcel — Fri, 01 Jun 2012 22:02:43 +0000

Well, it was against crappy teams.

But lets not forget that Shumpert was able to be even worst against those bad teams.

So this argument it’s pointless.

By: jon abbey

jon abbey — Fri, 01 Jun 2012 21:56:09 +0000

thanks, although I’m sure Shumpert dwarfs him in this category, whether it’s evident in the box scores or not.

also worth noting those three games were CHA, DET and SAC, three of the nine worst teams in the league this year.

By: Marcel

Marcel — Fri, 01 Jun 2012 21:43:43 +0000

jon abbey:
was there a single game this year that Fields was one of the three best Knicks (possibly)? there were a ton that Shumpert was one of the three best Knicks, I know that.

Yep

Just a quick search:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201201240CHA.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201201310NYK.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201202150NYK.html

By: jon abbey

jon abbey — Fri, 01 Jun 2012 21:30:31 +0000

was there a single game this year that Fields was one of the three best Knicks (possibly)? there were a ton that Shumpert was one of the three best Knicks, I know that.