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Thursday, October 23, 2014

2012 Game Thread: Sabretts v. Brats

Sorry ’bout the delay. Have at it, ye scurvy dogs!

353 comments on “2012 Game Thread: Sabretts v. Brats

  1. ruruland

    This offense has no potential because all Melo does is hold it and isolate, makes everyone worse.

  2. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Knicks perfect from the field to start. Ball movement and dribble penetration is legit.

  3. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Where’s everybody? Knicks finally off to a hot start to a game and its quiet?

  4. thailandvc

    what? i thought you are melo apologist

    ruruland:
    This offense has no potential because all Melo does is hold it and isolate, makes everyone worse.

  5. thailandvc

    outside of the first shot of the game. melo played within the system today.

    2 horrid passes. 1 to amare’s head and 1 to jr smith ankles but im nitpicking.

  6. max fisher-cohen

    Melo at the 4 changes everything on offense. Suddenly, he no longer has the advantage in the post. Instead, his advantage is in a face up, dribble drive game, which meshes perfectly with MDA ball. Unfortunately, Melo/Amare on defense against a decent front line is asking for trouble.

  7. ruruland

    thailandvc:
    outside of the first shot of the game. melo played within the system today.

    2 horrid passes. 1 to amare’s head and 1 to jr smith ankles but im nitpicking.

    Dude, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

  8. xduckshoex

    thailandvc:
    what? i thought you are melo apologist

    Sarcasm like that is one of his tactics. Simplify the opposing point of view to the point where it’s not actually something that anybody has said, and then sarcastically agree with it to show how stupid it is. It’s the Fox News of talking sports.

    And, of course, he only does that while the offense is clicking with Melo in the game. When Melo holds the ball for 8 seconds at a time and the offense stalls he doesn’t have much to say about Melo’s impact on the team.

  9. thailandvc

    huh? i have no idea what i just saw? i dont know that passing to people’s head and ankle is not catchable.

    ill just ignore resident fox news of the forum from now on.

    ruruland: Dude, you have no idea what you’re talking about.

  10. ruruland

    xduckshoex: Sarcasm like that is one of his tactics.Simplify the opposing point of view to the point where it’s not actually something that anybody has said, and then sarcastically agree with it to show how stupid it is.It’s the Fox News of talking sports.

    And, of course, he only does that while the offense is clicking with Melo in the game.When Melo holds the ball for 8 seconds at a time and the offense stalls he doesn’t have much to say about Melo’s impact on the team.

    Insufferable. Enjoy your misery. Have fun on this board I’m gone.

  11. thailandvc

    goodbye. take your preachy tone somewhere else. obviously ur expert analysis is above us.

    ruruland: Insufferable. Enjoy your misery. Have fun on this board I’m gone.

  12. limpidgimp

    In first quarter, the Knick guards keep leaving Dunleavy open, even though it’s clear he’s feeling it now.

  13. The Infamous Cdiggy

    If this past quarter doesn’t illustrate that Tyson Chandler’s D (and Jeffries’ too) is the team MVP…

  14. xduckshoex

    I liked watching Davis giving Stoudemire instructions, then running the play they discussed to perfection.

    Stoudemire didn’t catch the pass, but it was nice to see Davis directing the team like that. For all his flaws he really knows the offensive side of the floor.

  15. xduckshoex

    Nice feed from Davis. It was nice to see Amare get a transition bucket for a change/

  16. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Lin needs to watch his footing when taking those perimeter shots (knowing where the 3pt line is). That said, his J is looking good.

  17. d-mar

    Nice response by Knicks, we really really really need to win this game, Boston and Philly both getting W’s tonight

  18. xduckshoex

    Did Lin really just take two jumpers with his foot on the line? Come on, those aren’t the kinds of mistakes he’s supposed to be making.

  19. max fisher-cohen

    they eat brats in Wisconsin and Sabretts come from our beloved hot dog stands in NYC.

  20. The Infamous Cdiggy

    BD to Stat again… hmmm

    Amare should’ve swatted that shot from Jennings

  21. ess-dog

    Wow, Stat playing awesome as the center, Fields playing great as a sf.

    Completely predictable.

    I like Tyson but it kills Amare’s game to put him in the paint.

  22. d-mar

    Is it just me, or every time the Knicks go on any kind of run, do they feel obligated to leave an opponent wide open for a 3?

  23. SSS

    Should I be ashamed that my first thought was that it’d be nice if Amare takes this opportunity to flash his old skills while at center and build up some trade value? Yes, I think I should.

  24. ess-dog

    SSS:
    Should I be ashamed that my first thought was that it’d be nice if Amare takes this opportunity to flash his old skills while at center and build up some trade value?Yes, I think I should.

    I was thinking that was the reason behind his start at center…

  25. xduckshoex

    SSS:
    Should I be ashamed that my first thought was that it’d be nice if Amare takes this opportunity to flash his old skills while at center and build up some trade value?Yes, I think I should.

    Nah, I had the exact same thought.

  26. nicos

    Man, Jorts is slow- he moves his well enough to play solid man defense but he can’t make up ground in help situations anywhere near as well asChandler or Jeffries.

  27. johnlocke

    Melo is not smiling tonight….he is clearly pissed.

    We need to keep writing Trade Melo articles

  28. limpidgimp

    The announcer’s rhymes (is that Breen?) are just gratuitous. “Hustle and muscle” — I see the hustle, but there’s no muscle. It’s cute at first, but these rhymes get annoying.

  29. johnlocke

    Offense looks good….defense is atrocious! The worst I’ve seen in a while. Absolutely no help defense or recognition of who the shooters are that you don’t help off of (Dunleavy, Jennings, etc)

  30. ess-dog

    Although let’s be honest: it’s the Bucks. We are exactly what our record says. We’re better than the Bucks, worse than the Celtics… an eighth seed.

  31. limpidgimp

    johnlocke: Offense looks good….defense is atrocious! The worst I’ve seen in a while. Absolutely no help defense or recognition of who the shooters are that you don’t help off of (Dunleavy, Jennings, etc)

    Yeah, watching Knicks defense tonight is just embarrassing.

  32. Nick C.

    thyrdrail:
    why is this thread called sabretts vs brats?

    I’m pretty sure Sabretts are a NY hot dog. Milwaukee is the home of the brat(wurst).

  33. Frank O.

    This is like watching an all star game. Limited D, lots of dunks, wide open 3s.
    Amare is looking pretty damn strong and so too is Melo.
    Landry is having a solid game too.
    Missing TC in the paint.
    I was troubled that we ran off 11’straight baskets and yet it’s close.

  34. johnlocke

    Agreed. I take away 2 things so far…Melo is clearly playing with a chip on his shoulder (which I like)…and Carmelo and AMare are playing well together at the same time for the first time in I can’t remember.

    Other than that…game is still close despite all the dunking, alley ooping and 80% 1st quarter shooting –> not a good sign.

    Frank O.:
    This is like watching an all star game. Limited D, lots of dunks, wide open 3s.
    Amare is looking pretty damn strong and so too is Melo.
    Landry is having a solid game too.
    Missing TC in the paint.
    I was troubled that we ran off 11?straight baskets and yet it’s close.

  35. Nick C.

    Frank O.:
    This is like watching an all star game. Limited D, lots of dunks, wide open 3s.
    Amare is looking pretty damn strong and so too is Melo.
    Landry is having a solid game too.
    Missing TC in the paint.
    I was troubled that we ran off 11?straight baskets and yet it’s close.

    I’m too lazy to cone up with anything original but this is pretty much my take as well. I’d just add that Davis looks decent.

  36. Uptown Ny knicks fan

    Alright I’m watching the game on my phon so far melo doing alright and amare does flourish at center for some odd reason

  37. limpidgimp

    That’s the first time I’ve seen Amar’e in a long while be able to grab a past below his waistline.

  38. d-mar

    I know there’s a lot of back and forth on this site about Fields, but he commits some of the most ATROCIOUS turnovers, basically throwing it to the other team.

  39. Frank O.

    Caleb:
    I missed some stretches.. What happened to SHump?

    Odd that he’s only got 3 mins.
    But this is a slasher game. Seems like tonight it’s Fields and smith getting burn

  40. The Infamous Cdiggy

    d-mar:
    I know there’s a lot of back and forth on this site about Fields, but he commits some of the most ATROCIOUS turnovers, basically throwing it to the other team.

    cosigned. when he’s bad, it’s baaad…

  41. llcoolbp

    classic 3rd quarter meltdown so far by the knicks. Landry should just be benched already. Dantoni has to be hit over the head before he makes any changes. How many games are we going to have to lose before dantoni benches fields.

  42. Juany8

    d-mar:
    I know there’s a lot of back and forth on this site about Fields, but he commits some of the most ATROCIOUS turnovers, basically throwing it to the other team.

    That’s one of the team’s biggest problems, Lin, Landry, Shumpert, and Baron just throw the ball away constantly in stupid ways. That’s the main reason I have some hope in the Knicks, these mistakes seem fixable, as is the team making a few more open jumpers and cutting down on the techs. Until there’s some consistency from the guards in running the offense, however, this team will continue to be the same (Lin only looked good when he basically got to be Russell Westbrook against bad teams, and even then his turnover numbers were horrifying)

    We actually play both bad teams and good teams similarly because of that problem, this team just needs to get its passing down to get a lot more easy points, and that is one thing that only comes with time. We’re locked into a bottom 2 seed now, might as well only worry about making the playoffs and being healthy, while just practicing as often as possible, even in games.

  43. llcoolbp

    Lin is a player thats for sure. We just need a head coach who manages the players, their minutes and the rotations better. Look at George Karl.

  44. Frank O.

    llcoolbp:
    classic 3rd quarter meltdown so far by the knicks. Landry should just be benched already. Dantoni has to be hit over the head before he makes any changes. How many games are we going to have to lose before dantoni benches fields.

    Respectfully disagree. Fields +7 tonight. Shump is a -12.
    Fields has 3 TOs, but he’s 5-8 with 3 boards and 3 assists.
    Nice game by Fields, despite that one two minute bit.

  45. Knicks4Eva

    Umm George Karl is about a bad a match for our group of talent as there is coaching in the NBA. Skiles would actually be worse, but not by much.

  46. cgreene

    It’s amazing how Knicks cannot sustain good play for more than like 3-5 mins at a time. Why is that?

  47. Jake S.

    cgreene:
    It’s amazing how Knicks cannot sustain good play for more than like 3-5 mins at a time.Why is that?

    Because they’re not a very good basketball team.

  48. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Frank O.:
    I’m sorry. I like that Amare tried to dominate Gooden there

    …except the part where Amare’s lack of back-to-the-basket moves leads to him bowling over Gooden.

  49. d-mar

    I don’t see how we win this game, as the only way we stop the Bucks from scoring is when they commit dumb turnovers. Otherwise, they get open 3’s or layups.

  50. cgreene

    d-mar:
    I don’t see how we win this game, as the only way we stop the Bucks from scoring is when they commit dumb turnovers. Otherwise, they get open 3?s or layups.

    They aren’t going to win

  51. limpidgimp

    Granted Chandler isn’t playing tonight, but there’s just no way Knicks are going anywhere in the playoffs with this defense. The idea seems laughable now, though I really entertained a playoff run a week ago.

  52. BigBlueAL

    Cavs about to win in OKC after winning in Denver the other night. Knicks might finish 10th in the East they are so pathetic right now.

  53. llcoolbp

    no way they win this game. this trip killed the season. they will fight for the 8 seed. if they get it, they will be swept by miami in the first round. If they miss out, they lose their lottery pick. Crappy situation any which way you look at it. This team is cursed.

  54. cgreene

    We are going to lose by more than 15. This team is awful. You simply have to fire the coach. He cannot get them to play to their potential. I guess I don’t care if it happens this season or not but he is done.

  55. Spree8

    SMFH….the winning squad with Lin would easily blown out this Bucks squad…..so sad…….

  56. Nick C.

    Hard to get enthusiastic about this one even to bitch. Someone called a big game for Ilyasova a couple days ago and deserves props.

  57. Frank O.

    llcoolbp:
    no way they win this game. this trip killed the season. they will fight for the 8 seed. if they get it, they will be swept by miami in the first round. If they miss out, they lose their lottery pick. Crappy situation any which way you look at it. This team is cursed.

    Always with the negative vibes, Moriarty

  58. llcoolbp

    I can’t defend melo, he is pure shit. Does not do anything transcendent that elevates himself and his teammates. The fact that they got worse when he came back speaks volumes.

  59. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Someone call NYPD! Our team is getting abused!

    sick spin and layup by Jennings

  60. thailandvc

    very frustrated.

    llcoolbp:
    I can’t defend melo, he is pure shit. Does not do anything transcendent that elevates himself and his teammates.The fact that they got worse when he came back speaks volumes.

  61. llcoolbp

    pathetic team. no pride from melo and stat. stat is useless on d, and melo is equally useless on O. Lin is still young and can be excused. The vet’s have not stepped up. Pathetic. Dantoni needs to be fired ASAP. Melo needs his ass traded. They need a big shakeup.

  62. cgreene

    I have pretty much been pro Melo. I am done with him. In fact I can’t remember ever having a Knick that I disliked so much (besides Marbury and Curry). I can’t believe we are stuck with him as our “best player”. He is a disaster.

  63. The Infamous Cdiggy

    wow…

    nice spin and lay-in by Davis.

    better keep cool though… still down 5

  64. ephus

    Win or lose, everyone has to chill out. This team is missing its best defensive player, and getting abused on defense. It is not surprising.

  65. cgreene

    No chance we are winning. We don’t sustain good play for more than a few minutes. Mil will go on an 8-0 run here to end it.

  66. Frank O.

    Owen:
    I guess the cure for Melo’s ball stopping is putting two pg’s on the floor…

    First time we’ve seen lots of minutes.

  67. kronicfatigue

    Melo is so dislikable that I almost find myself rooting against the Knicks here. His skill set is the “worst” kind of skills to root for. I’ve never forgive him for his cheap shot punch years ago, and I find myself unable to feel anything for a team that’s “led” by him.

  68. Kantei

    Come on, three point game. Lin really needs to watch his line footing though, we’d be much closer if he did.

  69. ess-dog

    Melo can’t go a whole game without taking a bunch of dumb shots. He had a good half and then just went to pot.

    Ugh, Smith. wth?

  70. kronicfatigue

    God Davis has that look that Starks used to have. You can just tell when they think “i’m going to take this shot no matter what”. Only under the most severe conditions will they pass it when they have that look.

  71. Jake S.

    It’s not serendipity, Clyde, if no one puts an F-ing body on the guy standing two feet from the basket.

  72. ephus

    Second straight time that the Knicks were not able to grab the rebound after the Bucks miss. Really miss T-1000.

  73. conboy

    I’d rather Lin take the last shot and lose it than let the Melo bum lose it. at least Lin has earned it. Melo has done squat for the knicks

  74. Frank O.

    Melo makes those shots and they have a shot.
    Now, if the Bucks bury the foul shots, it’s done

  75. ephus

    If Melo gets that dunk, it could have been a tie game. Instead, he misses the free throw and it is going to take a miracle for the Knicks to send this ggame to overtime.

    Win or lose, we need to chill out.

  76. llcoolbp

    I hope melo get’s stripped of his national title and then he can’t even show his face in syracuse. Take that stupid grinning smile and shove it you waste of talent.

  77. johnlocke

    Hey Mike…let’s draw up another play for Melo….b/c he’s been playing so well in the 4th quarter…let’s get some more isos….

  78. Jake S.

    ephus:
    If Melo gets that dunk, it could have been a tie game.Instead, he misses the free throw and it is going to take a miracle for the Knicks to send this ggame to overtime.

    Win or lose, we need to chill out.

    If my grandmother had balls, she’d be my grandfather. You cannot defend Melo this game.

  79. thailandvc

    at least we know baron + lin back court is decent. puts even more pressure on melo to not hold the ball

  80. Jake S.

    Knicks4Eva:
    Jesus, you guys are horrible.
    They’re going to lose the game without their 2 best defenders.
    You spend most of your time outside of games analyzing how Melo can’t contribute, then when he doesn’t win the game you tear him up further. What a bunch of children. Loud, obnoxious children.

    You know the Bucks were playing without their center too, right?

  81. jaredrutledge

    i used to tune into knickerblogger for intelligent, reasoned commentary on my favorite team. seems like the comments lately are unfortunately going downhill, might be time to do a round of IP bans.

  82. Gideon Zaga

    Welcome to Knickerblogger. As THCj will tell you, please read the layman’s guide to advanced stats. Haha

    Knicks4Eva:
    Jesus, you guys are horrible.
    They’re going to lose the game without their 2 best defenders.
    You spend most of your time outside of games analyzing how Melo can’t contribute, then when he doesn’t win the game you tear him up further. What a bunch of children. Loud, obnoxious children.

  83. kronicfatigue

    —They’re going to lose the game without their 2 best defenders.—

    You make it sound like the Bucks are a good team. Okay, so they probably would have beaten a non playoff team if Chandler and Jefferies were playing. To what end? To get swept by Chicago or Miami?

  84. johnlocke

    The Bucks didn’t play Bogut or Stephen Jackson who are both injured…two of their best three players. We played no defense until the 4th quarter when we were down double digits. Our star player had at least 4 unclutch plays in the 4th…which would be ok, except his last clutch moment I can recall was against the Wizards…

    Knicks4Eva:
    Jesus, you guys are horrible.
    They’re going to lose the game without their 2 best defenders.
    You spend most of your time outside of games analyzing how Melo can’t contribute, then when he doesn’t win the game you tear him up further. What a bunch of children. Loud, obnoxious children.

  85. ephus

    Bad loss, but the problems are directly tied to the lack of Chandler and Jeffries. The interior defense was awful, and the 3 point defense was little better.

    Melo had a really bad game, notwithstanding hsi 21 points. JR Smith was invisible as a starter. Novak looks really awkward when forced off of the 3 point line.

    Amar’e is having really big problems catching the ball in traffic.

    Best game by Lin in a week. Baron Davis gave everything he had. Fields had some rocky moments, but a lot of really good ones.

  86. ess-dog

    Knicks4Eva:
    Jesus, you guys are horrible.
    They’re going to lose the game without their 2 best defenders.
    You spend most of your time outside of games analyzing how Melo can’t contribute, then when he doesn’t win the game you tear him up further. What a bunch of children. Loud, obnoxious children.

    Don’t the Bucks have their best defender out?

  87. limpidgimp

    Jake S.: If my grandmother had balls, she’d be my grandfather. You cannot defend Melo this game.

    I’m not too hung up about the last shot attempt by Melo. What was worse is Melo not boxing out Ilyasova, letting him get that offensive rebound.

  88. thyrdrail

    knicks is a new team that never practiced together. we all know it takes time to GEL. I KNOW BROKEN RECORD – BUT IT’S TRUE!!!

  89. Nick C.

    Knicks4Eva:
    Jesus, you guys are horrible.
    They’re going to lose the game without their 2 best defenders.
    You spend most of your time outside of games analyzing how Melo can’t contribute, then when he doesn’t win the game you tear him up further. What a bunch of children. Loud, obnoxious children.

    If you lived through the Isaiah Knicks you would be plenty sick of these type of games.

  90. Kantei

    1Q: 34-36 (-2 point difference)
    2Q: 31-25 (+6 point difference)
    3Q: 18-32 (-13 point difference)
    4Q: 31-26 (+5 point difference)

    As you can see, the quarter that really brought us down was the third. We actually played better in the final quarter, but the mistakes we kept making held us back. You can blame Carmelo all you want, but the main reason for our loss was the collapse of our defense in the third, mostly due to the lack of Chandler.

  91. Jake S.

    limpidgimp: I’m not too hung up about the last shot attempt by Melo. What was worse is Melo not boxing out Ilyasova, letting him get that offensive rebound.

    I’m just tired of watching him sulk up and down the court. He wanted to play here, and he looks straight scared. That air ball was amazing.

  92. Frank O.

    Sorry folks. Stat had a monster game. 27 on 15 shots and 11 boards.

    Fields 18 on 9-12, with 7 boards.
    Lin 20 Pts on 8-14, and 13 assists

    Anthony got 22 on 17 shots, 2 assists.
    He managed 3 Pts in the second half. Just horrid play.z

  93. Owen

    It’s give me so little satisfaction to see Melo play this badly….

    Win the battle, lose the war…..

  94. JR Sec 112

    wow, what’s with the vitriol on the board tonight? So they’ve lost 4 in a row on the road, 3 to playoff teams. And they are missing both Cs. Its not the end of the world. They didnt give up tonight. Lin played well, which is a positive. Can we reserve judgement for this team at the end of the season?

    Also, Stephen Jackson is hardly one of the Bucks’ best players. Bogut was out, but Chandler > Bogut.

  95. ephus

    Nick C.: If you lived through the Isaiah Knicks you would be plenty sick of these type of games.

    I lived through the Hubie Brown days when we had BK and little else,the Bob Hill days when we had Ewing but no idea of how to use him, the Rick Pitino days when I could not have been happier than for the team to actually make the playoffs as an 8 seed over the Pacers on the last day of the season, and every day since.

    This team has talent, but has been really sloppy in ball handling and without Chandler and Jeffries is a really bad defensive team.

  96. The Infamous Cdiggy

    limpidgimp: I’m not too hung up about the last shot attempt by Melo. What was worse is Melo not boxing out Ilyasova, letting him get that offensive rebound.

    agreed. Above all else, including the Bucks’ threes, I think the Knicks lost this game on the glass.

  97. limpidgimp

    Jake S.: I’m just tired of watching him sulk up and down the court. He wanted to play here, and he looks straight scared. That air ball was amazing.

    He missed the shot, airball or not amounts to the same thing. I just wish he chose a better shot instead of trying the hard shot.

  98. Scorpio Dragon

    Seemed more of a team failing. Boxing out at the end, find a man and don’t let him rebound over you. Davis missed a box out, Amar’e missed a box out.

  99. steveoh

    You know, it’s amazing how all the talk about how improved the Knicks are on defense can really be attributed to Shumpert and Chandler and Jeffries. And when two of them are out, the entire team’s defensive “prowess” really suffers back to the form we’ve seen for the past couple of years.

    Come back. We miss you.

  100. Shad0wF0x

    @273

    Agreed. I just wish he would just shove someone to the floor instead of letting them through for the layup. Just do it once every game. And by shove I mean Oakley and Mason style shove.

  101. Gideon Zaga

    Guess Melo not doing any press again tonight, it’s a free fall from here on, now how about .plan B Robert, initiate operation stalk James Dolan

  102. limpidgimp

    thyrdrail: did lin sit out most of time in 3rd quarter?

    I think so. He got into foul trouble doing silly fouls on perimeter shooters.

  103. The Infamous Cdiggy

    JR Sec 112:
    wow, what’s with the vitriol on the board tonight?So they’ve lost 4 in a row on the road, 3 to playoff teams.And they are missing both Cs.Its not the end of the world.They didnt give up tonight. Lin played well, which is a positive.Can we reserve judgement for this team at the end of the season?

    Also, Stephen Jackson is hardly one of the Bucks’ best players.Bogut was out, but Chandler > Bogut.

    You make good points, but many of us were looking at this game as a kind-of must-win. I believe it’s reasonable for folks to think the Knicks should’ve won this one. I feel the same way too.

  104. nicos

    Knicks lost because of horrible rotations on the perimeter and complete inability to rebound. Amar’e’s defense was fine but despite 11 rebounds he was pretty bad on the boards. Not that he had much help in that regard- Fields and Davis chipped in nicely but needed more boards from Melo, Novak, and Harrellson.

  105. johnlocke

    Look at the career stats…Melo is having his worst season as a pro…worse than his rookie year in shooting pct, ppg…pretty much across the gamut. Ridiculous for a ‘superstar in his prime’.

    We could have won the game despite the bad third quarter (the first half in general was atrocious — lack of D). In the 4th and this is just what I can recall (airballed three, no boxing out, missing 2 free throws in a row, then missing a crucial FT…oh and passing the ball to Stat’s knee when he was WIDE open)…a decent player would have played better in the 4th…much less a star

    Kantei:
    1Q: 34-36 (-2 point difference)
    2Q: 31-25 (+6 point difference)
    3Q: 18-32 (-13 point difference)
    4Q: 31-26 (+5 point difference)

    As you can see, the quarter that really brought us down was the third. We actually played better in the final quarter, but the mistakes we kept making held us back. You can blame Carmelo all you want, but the main reason for our loss was the collapse of our defense in the third, mostly due to the lack of Chandler.

  106. hoolahoop

    Melo scoffed at the idea that he wouldn’t fit in to the “new look” winning knicks with Lin, as did all the talking head “experts”.

    Given how much talent is on this team, one word – pathetic.
    Time for a shake up.

  107. KJG

    Did anyone notice Lin all but flip out after he D’d up Jennings and we couldn’t get the bound. Stat had gooden boxed and melo was floating, not putting a body on illyasova. Lin turned and screamed in the stat / melo direction? Any thoughts on that? I though stat did something, melo nothing but just curious is anyone saw Lins reaction.

  108. limpidgimp

    JR Sec 112: wow, what’s with the vitriol on the board tonight? So they’ve lost 4 in a row on the road, 3 to playoff teams. And they are missing both Cs. Its not the end of the world. They didnt give up tonight. Lin played well, which is a positive. Can we reserve judgement for this team at the end of the season?

    Also, Stephen Jackson is hardly one of the Bucks’ best players. Bogut was out, but Chandler > Bogut.

    It’s not the individual plays, some shots go down, some don’t. It’s the fundamentals like defense and boxing out for boards that is worrying. That’s not something vague like ‘chemistry.’ It’s nice the team played defense at the end, but way too late.

  109. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Shad0wF0x:
    @273

    Agreed. I just wish he would just shove someone to the floor instead of letting them through for the layup. Just do it once every game. And by shove I mean Oakley and Mason style shove.

    You’re talking about Melo or Stat?
    I’d pay a king’s ransom to see Stat foul someone hard as they’re going to the basket. I know the NBA frowns upon such activity these days, but you just can’t let guys waltz in the lane and you stand there and do NOTHING!!

  110. johnlocke

    Dude…we may not make the playoffs. this was a huge loss.

    The Infamous Cdiggy: You make good points, but many of us were looking at this game as a kind-of must-win. I believe it’s reasonable for folks to think the Knicks should’ve won this one.I feel the same way too.

  111. Owen

    Game threads are for venting also….

    This is our safe place to act like total frustrated demented jerks….

  112. thyrdrail

    LET’S ALL GIVE MELO A BREAK!! HE HAD GROIN SURGERY!! IT’S REALLY HARD TO PLAY WITHOUT A GROIN!!! TRY IT AND YOU’LL SEE!!

  113. Doug

    I think some specific people need to take a deep breath and stop watching basketball for a while. If Knicks games turn you into something resembling raving sociopath, then turn off the TV and treat yourself to something more enjoyable and non-NBA related.

    I’m talking about hedging your emotional investments as a fan. You are human beings. You don’t have to put yourself through this. You have emotional needs beyond the everyday fortunes of the New York Knicks. Why waste your time dealing with a team that can go “get fucked” and wishing injury on a “pure shit” like Carmelo Anthony? If it makes you a bad fan, so be it. You deserve to take better care of yourself. Treat yourself to a nice, Knicks-free night out with your friends or family or significant other. Because some of you really need it.

  114. Gideon Zaga

    Here’s my thoughts: Fire Dumbtoni. Et tu

    KJG:
    Did anyone notice Lin all but flip out after he D’d up Jennings and we couldn’t get the bound.Stat had gooden boxed and melo was floating, not putting a body on illyasova.Lin turned and screamed in the stat / melo direction? Any thoughts on that?I though stat did something, melo nothing but just curious is anyone saw Lins reaction.

  115. JC Knickfan

    I’m dejected, but not disgusting. They play hard defense for 6-7 minutes out 48 minute. Also this is tightest man-to-man defense I’ve seen by Lin, still not pretty.

    Geez Melo missing the dunk and not even hitting second free throw, so not clutch.

    Also – inbound to Lin then double screen Novak for 3? If not open have Lin shoot 3. Moot point down 4, but still lin can shoot over his man. Lin long ball going in, but he step on line 3 time or 4?

  116. Gamecockerbocker

    KJG:
    Did anyone notice Lin all but flip out after he D’d up Jennings and we couldn’t get the bound.Stat had gooden boxed and melo was floating, not putting a body on illyasova.Lin turned and screamed in the stat / melo direction? Any thoughts on that?I though stat did something, melo nothing but just curious is anyone saw Lins reaction.

    My thought is I’d be pretty pissed if I were Lin, too.

  117. JR Sec 112

    Aren’t we all aware now that without Chandler the Knicks are a poor defensive team? The boards hurt, but thats not unexpected at all with a 3 guard lineup and no center!

    Why is this game a ‘must-win’? They are still 2 up for the 8th seed. Boston is within range and the Cs have played 5 less road games than we have. Let’s talk about must win games when we get to May.

    Milwaukee was 500 at home coming into this game. Its not like they were going to fold. They beat Philly on Monday and lost a very close game to the Bulls, so were playing well coming in.

    Everyone needs to take a deep breath….

  118. hoolahoop

    Because I consider you guys my friends I want to share a strange dream I had. One of those dreams that seemed as real as life.
    I dreamed that Melo and Amare were hurt and the knicks went on a seven game winning streak with a new star from nowhere. They played perfect basketball – moving the ball, player motion, great defense. It seemed like the knicks would never lose again. More fun than even the ’69 knicks, believe it or not. And we knew that when Amare and Melo came back the knicks were going to be the best team in the league.
    Dreams are so strange.

  119. formido

    The Knicks were up by 10 and unstoppable. Lin was getting Carmelo open looks and the defense was tight. Then Lin went out, and the 10 point lead was lost instantly. Lin back in, lead stable. Lin and Baron both in, Baron primary point, Milwaukee’s lead keeps going up. Lin out due to fouls, lead balloons. Lin comes in, Knicks come back. You can always find exceptions, because shit happens from time to time, but that’s been pretty much the pattern since Lin took over at point for the Knicks. Whatever knocks on individual plays or turnovers, the Knicks just play way better when Lin is running point.

    It was like this with the Suns under D’Antoni. The Suns would just fall apart if Nash was off the court. He’d get a lead, it’d be gone. Every time he came in he’d be starting from scratch or playing from behind.

  120. Shad0wF0x

    @292

    Anyone really. Use up the 12 fouls that Jorts and Jerome Jordan have for pure intimidation fouls. Just make sure you don’t commit flagrants and injuries. But enough to send a message.

    On the bright side, Amar’e didn’t fall as bad as I thought he did. His elbow jumper isn’t there but he’s working pretty well with Baron and Lin.

  121. Gideon Zaga

    I believe you’re talking to the mirror sir. I have already planned my rehab for the off season, so I’m good. Hope the Knicks don’t go fishing too early.

    Doug:
    I think some specific people need to take a deep breath and stop watching basketball for a while. If Knicks games turn you into something resembling raving sociopath, then turn off the TV and treat yourself to something more enjoyable and non-NBA related.

    I’m talking about hedging your emotional investments as a fan. You are human beings. You don’t have to put yourself through this. You have emotional needs beyond the everyday fortunes of the New York Knicks. Why waste your time dealing with a team that can go “get fucked” and wishing injury on a “pure shit” like Carmelo Anthony? If it makes you a bad fan, so be it. You deserve to take better care of yourself. Treat yourself to a nice, Knicks-free night out with your friends or family or significant other. Because some of you really need it.

  122. The Infamous Cdiggy

    johnlocke:
    Dude…we may not make the playoffs. this was a huge loss.

    They’re still in the 8th playoff spot, and it’s not like Philly has run away from them with the division lead.

  123. hoolahoop

    Doug:
    I think some specific people need to take a deep breath and stop watching basketball for a while. If Knicks games turn you into something resembling raving sociopath, then turn off the TV and treat yourself to something more enjoyable and non-NBA related.

    I’m talking about hedging your emotional investments as a fan. You are human beings. You don’t have to put yourself through this. You have emotional needs beyond the everyday fortunes of the New York Knicks. Why waste your time dealing with a team that can go “get fucked” and wishing injury on a “pure shit” like Carmelo Anthony? If it makes you a bad fan, so be it. You deserve to take better care of yourself. Treat yourself to a nice, Knicks-free night out with your friends or family or significant other. Because some of you really need it.

    +1

  124. limpidgimp

    I like Doug’s post. Yeah, chill out peoples. And there’s way too much hating on Melo on this board. He’s here to stay, so deal. Same goes for Amar’e.

  125. Shad0wF0x

    @302

    If that’s the case then when Lin is sitting simply send out (once we’re healthy) a lineup of

    Baron
    Shumpert
    Melo
    Jeffries
    Chandler

    Put your 3 best defensive players in there to try to slow the game down as much as possible. Score from potential fastbreaks and whatever.

  126. KJG

    Gamecockerbocker: My thought is I’d be pretty pissed if I were Lin, too.

    As would I … I’m just saying it was a demonstrative moment directed at a teammates I presume. A little out of character for him but deservedly so… He worked his butt off on that sequence and to turn around and see an O rebound … F that … Him and Davis were humming together on the floor tonight …. I liked it… Is Shump in the dog house. I thought we could have certainly used his D at particular moments… Dantoni messed that up big time…

    Reactions were a bit much tonight. There was a point tonight where I liked seeing the failures of melo but it got out of hand… It comes down to the team. His failures aren’t helping us get wins… I was remorseful all of a sudden. a bit sad even.

  127. Shad0wF0x

    @309

    I think they said something about Shump’s knee. Might not want to put too many minutes on it right now.

  128. anubav

    I think the best thing to take away from this game, is Lin’s improved defense. He played tight on the ball and fought through screens, which was nice to see. I’m also impressed by how many steals he gets. I wish more people who complain about his high TO rate, would take into account the fact that he’s average nearly 2.5 steals since being inserted in the starting lineup. In fact, if we look at Assists/(TO-Steals), he’s pretty comparable to some of the best lead guards in the league:

    Rajon Rondo: 5.315
    Derrick Rose: 4.105
    Steve Nash: 3.6333
    Jeremy Lin: 3.39
    Deron Williams: 2.733

    (Chris Paul’s numbers are off the charts since *amazingly* he manages to get 1 steal per turnover)

  129. Gamecockerbocker

    KJG: As would I … I’m just saying it was a demonstrative moment directed at a teammates I presume.A little out of character for him but deservedly so… He worked his butt off on that sequence and to turn around and see an O rebound … F that …

    Someone needs to get into Melo and Amare pretty soon, because they both look like they genuinely have no idea that there are significant flaws in their games that can be at least somewhat ironed out… (more so with Melo, I think, because he can learn to play better without the ball and help on defense, but I really think there’s a mental wall that Amare can’t get over when it comes to playing defense).

  130. Spree8

    Captain Melo why are you smiling out there when your team is getting embarrassed by the lowly Bucks? Please answer me.

  131. Gideon Zaga

    Correction: the Knicks play better with Lin running the point against the bad teams. Did you not watch him against Miami, Boston and San Antonio. Don’t worry just to confirm it, I’ll bet you a hundy that he gets shutdown on Sunday. Then again talk is cheap.

    formido:

    Whatever knocks on individual plays or turnovers, the Knicks just play way better when Lin is running the point.

  132. hoolahoop

    Another positive, I thought Baron Davis played excellent. Except for his bouts of hero-ball, he should be running the offense. Lin looked like a good SG when they were in together. I think that’s a more natural position for him, except he’s too small to be dominant in that role in the NBA. . . .and they already have too many 2 guards/

  133. johnlocke

    Don’t know why…but that really irks me…. guess D-Howard does it too…but his team is above .500

    Spree8:
    Captain Melo why are you smiling out there when your team is getting embarrassed by the lowly Bucks? Please answer me.

  134. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Gideon Zaga:
    Correction: the Knicks play better with Lin running the point against the bad teams. Did you not watchhim against Miami, Boston and San Antonio. Don’t worry just to confirm it, I’ll bet you a hundy that he gets shutdown on Sunday. Then again talk is cheap.

    I’m not worried about Lin vs Jrew Holiday, Evan Turner, Jodie Meeks et al…
    Of course, they could stick Iguodala on him, but I think he’ll be busy D-ing Melo.

  135. JC Knickfan

    Why hell does Melo refuse do more slashing? Fields 9-12 basically all slashes to basket.

    It’s time trade him and fire Mike D.

  136. KJG

    Gamecockerbocker: Someone needs to get into Melo and Amare pretty soon, because they both look like they genuinely have no idea that there are significant flaws in their games that can be at least somewhat ironed out… (more so with Melo, I think, because he can learn to play better without the ball and help on defense, but I really think there’s a mental wall that Amare can’t get over when it comes to playing defense).

    Is Lin the guy to do it? Dantoni certainly has no clout… I really feel like moving melo would do wonders for 1) us and 2) the guys that actually play the game… As much as the guy can have an impact he was equally impactful by not doing anything when he was on the floor for the Knicks comeback. If that makes sense. He was invisible during the run … This in combination with the Linsanity streak tell me one thing… Melos presence is unecessary. Here’s to Sunday.

  137. Gideon Zaga

    Oh here we go again. .Lin for mvp .

    anubav:
    I think the best thing to take away from this game, is Lin’s improved defense. He played tight on the ball and fought through screens, which was nice to see. I’m also impressed by how many steals he gets. I wish more people who complain about his high TO rate, would take into account the fact that he’s average nearly 2.5 steals since being inserted in the starting lineup. In fact, if we look at Assists/(TO-Steals), he’s pretty comparable to some of the best lead guards in the league:

    Rajon Rondo: 5.315
    Derrick Rose: 4.105
    Steve Nash: 3.6333
    Jeremy Lin: 3.39
    Deron Williams: 2.733

    (Chris Paul’s numbers are off the charts since *amazingly* he manages to get 1 steal per turnover)

  138. Doug

    Gideon Zaga:
    Correction: the Knicks play better with Lin running the point against the bad teams. Did you not watchhim against Miami, Boston and San Antonio. Don’t worry just to confirm it, I’ll bet you a hundy that he gets shutdown on Sunday. Then again talk is cheap.

    Why would you bet on a Knick to fail? That’s distasteful.

  139. nicos

    formido:
    The Knicks were up by 10 and unstoppable. Lin was getting Carmelo open looks and the defense was tight. Then Lin went out, and the 10 point lead was lost instantly. Lin back in, lead stable. Lin and Baron both in, Baron primary point, Milwaukee’s lead keeps going up. Lin out due to fouls, lead balloons. Lin comes in, Knicks come back. You can always find exceptions, because shit happens from time to time, but that’s been pretty much the pattern since Lin took over at point for the Knicks. Whatever knocks on individual plays or turnovers, the Knicks just play way better when Lin is running point.

    It was like this with the Suns under D’Antoni. The Suns would just fall apart if Nash was off the court. He’d get a lead, it’d be gone. Every time he came in he’d be starting from scratch or playing from behind.

    They were definitely better with Lin on the floor tonight but in 5 out of the last six games the Knicks have been better with Lin on the bench- other than the Cleveland game Davis has had a better +/-. I don’t think it’s necessarily attributable to Davis playing better than Lin but the fact is the Knicks really haven’t fallen apart with Lin on the bench lately (other than tonight). I thought this was Lin’s best game since before the all-star break- I thought he competed harder on defense even though Jennings did score 25.

  140. hoolahoop

    JC Knickfan:
    Why hell does Melo refuse do more slashing? Fields 9-12 basically all slashes to basket.

    It’s time trade him and fire Mike D.

    Fields clearly made a conscious decision to go to the hoop more. Good stuff.

    How could the knicks have a worse record with anybody else coaching? I think they wouldn’t have a worse record if there was no coach at all. And I know they’d have a better record if I was the coach.

  141. anubav

    Gideon Zaga:
    Oh here we go again. .Lin for mvp .

    Oh, please. I’m just saying that Lin has played more efficient basketball than his high turnover rater would indicate. If he can keep his assist and steal numbers up and cut down his TO’s to around 4 per game, then, I think, he can be an effective starting point guard in this league.

  142. Gideon Zaga

    I don’t bet on them to fail. Stop putting words in my mouth, all I’m saying is Lin is overrated and struggles against good teams but so is Melo .if that .makes you feel better.

    Doug: Why would you bet on a Knick to fail? That’s distasteful.

  143. d-mar

    This losing streak sucks big time, but here’s 2 major positives to take away:

    1) STAT looks like he’s returning to some semblance of his old self.
    2) Davis looks like he’s rounding into form, he and Lin combined for 22 assists.

    Folks, we’ve been saying all season that our most important player is Chandler. Now he’s out, we’re losing road games and the world is coming to an end. I said over and over during the Feb. joyride to enjoy the run, because the March schedule was incredibly brutal.

    As Doug said , chill, we’ll be OK, Melo is not Marbury, we’re not finishing 10th in the East.

  144. JC Knickfan

    We never going to know if Linsanity would have continued or not. Since Melo back team is 2-6. Personally I think we won Net, Celtic and Bucks game if Melo was still out. Maybe Dallas as Melo had horrible game.

  145. bluemax

    To be fair, MDA did a poor job of managing Melo this game and should be partly responsible for his poor performance at the end of the game. Melo is a player that easily loses focus if he does not see the ball for long period of times, and in this case hardly touched the ball most of the 2nd half ,and not at all in the last quarter until the end.

    I understand that this system is predicated on ball movement and player opportunity but he should have at least one or two plays designed precisely for Melo to get him going out of time out for instance. That never seems to happen and it certainly would help to get Melo back on track in situations such as these. Certainly a common practice used around the league by many coaches but not by MDA it seems.

  146. Doug

    Gideon Zaga:
    I don’t bet on them to fail.Stop putting words in my mouth, all I’m saying is Lin is overrated and struggles against good teams but so is Melo .if that .makes you feel better.

    Doug: I’ll bet you a hundy that he gets shutdown on Sunday.

  147. johnlocke

    We’re not catching Philly unless they have a complete meltdown and Milwaukee has a much easier schedule than we do the rest of the way ..there next four games are Toronto, NJ, Cleveland and Golden State…our next four games are Philly, @ Chicago, Portland and back to back at Indiana. There are less than 30 games left….the 8th seed is not as solid a lock as we’d like to think

    The Infamous Cdiggy: They’re still in the 8th playoff spot, and it’s not like Philly has run away from them with the division lead.

  148. Gideon Zaga

    Thank you. Dantoni sucks, he still can’t .figure out what to do with Melo. He stood in the corner the whole .time in the 4th as the Knicks made ran after ran and never touched the ball. Then you expect him to save you in the final 23 secomds. I’ve said it over and over again. Either we trade Melo or fire Dumbtoni, either one is fine with me.

    bluemax:
    To be fair, MDA did a poor job of managing Melo this game and should be partly responsible for his poor performance at the end of the game. Melo is a player that easily loses focus if he does not see the ball for long period of times, and in this case hardly touched the ball most of the 2nd half ,and not at all in the last quarter until the end.

    I understand that this system is predicated on ball movement and player opportunity but he should have at least one or two plays designed precisely for Melo to get him going out of time out for instance. That never seems to happen and it certainly would help to get Melo back on track in situations such as these. Certainly a common practice used around the league by many coaches but not by MDA it seems.

  149. JC Knickfan

    bluemax:
    To be fair, MDA did a poor job of managing Melo this game and should be partly responsible for his poor performance at the end of the game. Melo is a player that easily loses focus if he does not see the ball for long period of times, and in this case hardly touched the ball most of the 2nd half ,and not at all in the last quarter until the end.

    I understand that this system is predicated on ball movement and player opportunity but he should have at least one or two plays designed precisely for Melo to get him going out of time out for instance. That never seems to happen and it certainly would help to get Melo back on track in situations such as these. Certainly a common practice used around the league by many coaches but not by MDA it seems.

    We should fire MDA because refuses teach defense, but give me a break on Melo. His jumper was on tonight and if play team offense slash to basket like fields he probably would have 40pt tonight.

  150. nicos

    One positive- Amar’e finished really well in the pnr. You can see how differently he runs it than Chandler- Chandler heads straight to the rim and looks for a lob over the top while Amar’e likes to move parallel with the guard and often slips behind and follows the guard into the paint. If you can get the pass to Chandler it’s a sure thing and I think Chandler’s harder screens get better looks for the guards. That said, Amar’e keeps himself in the play so much longer there’s a better chance of getting him the ball than Chandler- generating more (though slightly less efficient) looks.

  151. jon abbey

    D’Antoni gets outcoached seemingly every single game, no idea why he didn’t call time out two straight possessions down 112-111 and Baron exhausted.

    but the main reason we lost is that Sabrett’s are all made in NJ, you were looking for Nathan’s, I believe.

  152. Owen

    “Anthony got 22 on 17 shots, 2 assists.”

    Just for the record, that’s 22 points on 17 shots and 10 fts, so basically another 50% ts% night….

  153. Gideon Zaga

    wait lemme get this straight Chu, you really think Lin will be able to defend Rose?? And to all who think he did a great job on Jennings tonight and I think it was rather .fair not great .but Jennings still torched him with 25, 10 ast and 5reb so come on slow your MVP hopes.

    Doug:

  154. max fisher-cohen

    I don’t really understand the D’Antoni hate. Guys who have historically had teammates who could disguise their bad defense were exposed tonight. Defense matters. It’s exciting to see guys make difficult plays, but this isn’t figure skating. The contestants aren’t judged by how difficult their routine is.

  155. jon abbey

    max fisher-cohen:
    I don’t really understand the D’Antoni hate. Guys who have historically had teammates who could disguise their bad defense were exposed tonight. Defense matters. It’s exciting to see guys make difficult plays, but this isn’t figure skating. The contestants aren’t judged by how difficult their routine is.

    exactly, and he chose to play his only good defender a total of 5 minutes.

  156. bluemax

    JC Knickfan: We should fire MDA because refuses teach defense, but give me a break on Melo. His jumper was on tonight and if play team offense slash to basket like fields he probably would have 40pt tonight.

    To be honest i’m not a big Melo fan. Let’s face it, he is just a very difficult player to manage and he is not as good as some of the other superstars. After all this time, these adjustment problems can’t be all on MDA. Wouldn’t it be simpler to trade him for equal (or roughly equal) value. Josh smith for instance.

    As for MDA he can allways be fired any time. That’s hardly a problem.

  157. jon abbey

    it’s also always a sign of bad coaching when the team takes repeated 2 pointers just inside the line, how many of those did we have tonight? maybe six? ridiculous.

  158. ruruland

    KJG: There was a point tonight where I liked seeing the failures of melo .

    Enjoy yourselves, folks. It’s been a pleasure.

  159. bluemax

    jon abbey:
    it’s also always a sign of bad coaching when the team takes repeated 2 pointers just inside the line, how many of those did we have tonight? maybe six? ridiculous.

    That’s on the players. I ‘m pretty confident That MDA discurages that kind of offense.

  160. jon abbey

    hope you don’t really leave, ruruland.

    bluemax, it’s lack of discipline and it’s been a constant in seemingly every phase of all of D’Antoni’s NY teams.

  161. Brian Cronin

    I didn’t catch the game, but here are couple of worrisome points…

    1. Cleveland is actually starting to really play well. Back-to-back wins against Denver and now, even more impressively, OKC. Yikes.

    and more importantly,

    2. From the box score and the comments it seems pretty clear that the team needs Chandler on defense. Which is fine, as the guy is a great defender. But it also seems that the only way you can get Melo, STAT and Lin on the same page is to play Melo at the 4 and STAT at the 5 (how this wasn’t even tried last year is beyond me). And, well, you can’t play Chandler and also play that following lineup. Sooooo…well…you know, that’s a problem.

  162. Doug

    ruruland: Enjoy yourselves, folks. It’s been a pleasure.

    Dude, you can’t leave just because of a bunch of randoms hurling poops at you in a game thread. I’ve never seen any of them post during the day threads. Don’t let the proverbial bastards grind you down.

  163. Brian Cronin

    Dude, you can’t leave just because of a bunch of randoms hurling poops at you in a game thread. I’ve never seen any of them post during the day threads. Don’t let the proverbial bastards grind you down.

    It’s the internet. You can count the number of people who actually leave a site when they say they’re leaving a site on one hand. So don’t worry about it.

  164. limpidgimp

    Some people are just rude for no reason. They wouldn’t do it to my face in real life, but act like asses on the net.

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