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Wednesday, April 23, 2014

2012 Game Thread: Preseason Game 1

Wasn’t going to do it, but Josh Harrellson’s three pointer from 27 feet psyched me up enough.

176 comments on “2012 Game Thread: Preseason Game 1

  1. massive

    It’s rare that an athlete of Shumpert’s caliber comes into the league with such a sweet looking jumper and falls out of the lottery. We could have another steal on our hands.

    I love Jorts. He’s looking like a stretch 5 that will get significant minutes.

  2. ephus

    Shumpert thought about dunking on the breakaway, saw that he was going to come up short, and had the maturity to finger roll for two.

    I like it!

  3. Jake S.

    Call me nutty, but I think Stoudemire might actually end up aging gracefully. He’s so deadly from 18-feet that I can’t help but think he’ll find a way to get his points when he can no longer play above the rim.

  4. JamesHA

    I was anti-Bibby but his patience/experience is looking good in comparision to the overall guard passing. Shump is playing with intensity!!! Never expected Josh to ever hoist a 3!! (did he do it at school?)

  5. Michael Cline

    Shumpert athleticism is just so obvious right now. The guy has some serious wheels. If TD can learn to stop gambling and just play solid man to man defense, a Shump-TD backcourt can really terrorize people.

  6. Michael Cline

    Playing in Turkey was good for D-Will. The guy looks like he’s on a different gear than everyone else on the floor

  7. ephus

    As much as my first impression of Shumpert is positive, I have a really bad feeling about Balkman. He looks lost on defense. Just as I was typing this, he had a nice finish on a feed from Shumpert. The last time he tried to finish at the rim, he looked like JJ — and that’s not a compliment.

  8. JamesHA

    Michael Cline: Playing in Turkey was good for D-Will. The guy looks like he’s on a different gear than everyone else on the floor

    Soooo true! I wish I could just “like” this, but it needs to be reiterated! From the two games ive seen so far, play has been waaaay sloppy and makes me just think this whole season is going to be a crapshoot.

  9. BigBlueAL

    JamesHA: Soooo true! I wish I could just “like” this, but it needs to be reiterated! From the two games ive seen so far, play has been waaaay sloppy and makes me just think this whole season is going to be a crapshoot.

    Yeah, first couple of weeks on the season all around the NBA will be ugly.

  10. ephus

    So we will have two weeks of Time Warner Cable vs. MSG, followed by a settlement. I only hope that we don’t lose the Jan. 2 game against Toronto.

  11. BigBlueAL

    Melo with a nice drive and dish to Balkman for a layup. Then Amar’e throws an alley to Melo. Nice passes by the 2 stars.

  12. Michael Cline

    Chandler not having as much of an impact early as I would hope. Going to take some time for him to find his role.

  13. ess-dog

    On cue, Balkman plays and looks REALLY helpful. This guy will contribute, it’s a contract year after all…

    Now that Melo is finding guys off his move, the O looks MUCH better.

  14. Michael Cline

    Though our team defense looks decent tonight. Is just from having Chandler in the middle or is Woodson working some magic?

    Bibby will not be able to guard 90% of the pg’s in the league this year though. TD and Shump are going to have to be doing that. He’s gotten burned more than once already.

  15. Spree8nyk8

    Michael Cline:
    Chandler not having as much of an impact early as I would hope. Going to take some time for him to find his role.

    I think his influence on the defense overall has been terrific. They have been pretty solid imo and they can actually rebound the damn ball

  16. DS

    Balkman with 8 points in 9 mins. in his first pre-season game against the Nets – too early for NBA Most Improved Player candidacy? Maybe.

  17. Michael Cline

    Th

    Spree8nyk8: I think his influence on the defense overall has been terrific.They have been pretty solid imo and they can actually rebound the damn ball

    True. He just bodied up Lopez beautifully.

  18. d-mar

    Michael Cline:
    Th

    True. He just bodied up Lopez beautifully.

    One thing we will not see this year is stiff big men having career nights against us. That in itself is a beautiful thing.

  19. art vandelay

    Didn’t Bargnani have a 40-point night against us last year @ MSG, looking like the Italian Dirk?

  20. Michael Cline

    There we go FIELDS! Beautiful stroke on that 3. The zoom in after the shot makes it clear that he’s added some muscle as well. The guns are flexing.

    On another note, this is all against a really bad Jersey team. I seriously haven’t heard of half the players on the floor for the Nets. Outside of Williams, they are really rough. Damion James looks like he will be good, but wow, they are bad.

  21. art vandelay

    …and yes, it would be nice to see Tyler Hansbrough not look like a first-ballot hall of famer against us this season.

  22. JK47

    After that first half I am totally on board with the idea of signing Baron Davis. Our PG play is nonexistent. Toney D does not have the handle, the court vision or a talent for creative passing.

    Baron at PG backed up with Bibby and some occasional relief from TD. Shump, TD and Fields split time at SG. Fields backs up SF when Melo is on the bench.

  23. JamesHA

    Yeah, with Chandler we are no longer a sieve in the paint!! Plus, I just think he is an ideal D’antoni center (especially compared to Amare and Turiaf). Is Jeffries really a poor mans Chandler??? ;)

  24. llcoolbp

    First half observations:

    1)TDDWTDD- little tentative, but that understandable.

    2)Melo- Knee looks fine

    3)STAT- back looks fine, still playing matador D

    4)Tyson- feeling his way

    5)Fields- Looking strong

    6)Shump- Has impressed with his poise thus far

  25. BigBlueAL

    Michael Cline:
    There we go FIELDS! Beautiful stroke on that 3. The zoom in after the shot makes it clear that he’s added some muscle as well. The guns are flexing.

    On another note, this is all against a really bad Jersey team. I seriously haven’t heard of half the players on the floor for the Nets. Outside of Williams, they are really rough. Damion James looks like he will be good, but wow, they are bad.

    Yeah Fields looks alot stronger and his stroke looks great but to me he still seems way too slow to cover opposing SG’s and his handles are still real suspect.

  26. jon abbey

    stop drawing conclusions from 1/2 of one preseason game. it’s going to take a month or two of regular season play (at least) before we have an idea of what we’ve really got here.

    but Balkman did show some potential that half. :)

  27. Z-man

    Those who questioned my sanity in rooting very hard for us to pick Shump: if you still think it was a mistake, and would trade him straight up right now for anyone picked after him, speak now or forever hold your piece.

  28. llcoolbp

    I’m just giddy to be watching the knicks right now, even though it’s on a crappy feed of the nets broadcast online. Got my starks jersey on with a cold one in my hand. It doesn’t get any better then this. My head might explode on christmas day. It’s been a very long time since I have been this excited about the knicks. Ok, i have to take it back a notch, getting a little carried away.

    @44- agree with bringing Baron davis aboard, as long as this back thing is just a ruse to get to the knicks.

  29. llcoolbp

    Tony running this offense could be a problem. I am willing to give him at least a month to see how he evolves. But bibby as the alternative is just not good enough. The heat had Lebron and wade handling the ball. The knicks don’t have anyone comparable to handle the ball.

  30. jon abbey

    good news is that I don’t have to root for Troy Murphy, he just signed a one year deal with the Lakers.

  31. BigBlueAL

    Jake S.:
    I know it’s just one pre-season game, but Douglas and Fields look so heinous.

    Shitty is a better word that comes to mind lol

  32. llcoolbp

    we all know dantoni has a short leash with point guards, bibby is already in. Trouble if we need to rely on bibby for heavy minutes.

  33. BigBlueAL

    I love it when the shot clock is down to 5 whoever has the ball just looks for Melo to bail them out lol

  34. DS

    I wasn’t serious re: Balkman though I hope he does get 15-17 mpg this season.

    It’s pretty sad that that Lopez already has 13 and 10 in the 3rd quarter and I’m thinking “wow the Knicks are really playing Brook much tougher with Chandler than they played him last year .”

  35. llcoolbp

    I really wish the pre-season was longer. TDDWTDD needs time to gel with this squad and his role. Dantoni coaching as a lame duck is going to bail on him pretty early. Then we are stuck with bibby playing 30 minutes a night.

  36. erobes

    llcoolbp:
    atrocious pass by bibby, I’m disgusted with the point guard play.

    Disgusted seems like a pretty strong emotion for a freakin pre season game, let alone the first game after a lockout and two weeks of practice.

    That being said, nothing about TD’s game looks different from last year, which is a problem.

  37. massive

    Balkman has gotta be our back-up 3 this season. All the shooting lost can be taken care of by Harrelson, but Balkman can flat out play.

  38. DRed

    The Balkman looks good. I don’t care how high he gets on his downtime, we have to give him a chance this season.

  39. Spree8nyk8

    massive:
    Balkman has gotta be our back-up 3 this season. All the shooting lost can be taken care of by Harrelson, but Balkman can flat out play.

    I think bill walker honestly.

  40. knicknut

    Z-man:
    Those who questioned my sanity in rooting very hard for us to pick Shump: if you still think it was a mistake, and would trade him straight up right now for anyone picked after him, speak now or forever hold your piece.

    Hard to speak now when we’ve only seen him (and players picked after him) for all of one preseason game. Let’s take stock after they’ve actually played a few regular season games.

  41. JamesHA

    Lol, i was hoping Nash was a jerk and orchestrated a trade to NY for cash or something illegally while everyone was distracted with the Paul/Howard business. Balkman for 3? Balkman for 3!!

  42. erobes

    BALKMAN!

    Seriously, if he puts out this much energy and limits his goofy mistakes he can crack the rotation. I would like to see him take some minutes from JJ.

    DRed:
    Balkman is the best player on the floor.

  43. JamesHA

    Ah yes, aside from being a long body that can play a few positions I forget that Jeffries is damn good at drawing charges!!

  44. Spree8nyk8

    JamesHA: Jordan just got a work visa in the past few days.I’m just guessing he isn’t ready enough to work in a system.

    The practice vids they had on MSG’s site he looked pretty good, and very big. Was kinda hoping to see him today.

  45. DRed

    Shump looks like he might be a bit of a chucker, but he’s obviously a special athlete. Certainly looks promising.

  46. DReDD

    xduckshoex:
    I’m not getting excited about Balkman until I see it in a real game.

    This is pretty much what he’s done with the PR National Team for the past couple of summers. Except for the 3s, I hadn’t seen that from him

  47. knicknut

    Gotta love Chandler’s spirit on the bench, jumping up every time Jorts does something positive. I think we’re gonna love this guy.

  48. JamesHA

    knicknut: Gotta love Chandler’s spirit on the bench, jumping up every time Jorts does something positive. I think we’re gonna love this guy.

    Just hearing him talk about winning a championship and how it just makes you hungrier and the fact that he willingly came to the pressure of NY makes you have to think he is going to be the real deal (and not a Jerome James..ugh cant believe i mentioned him)

  49. d-mar

    Meanwhile, watching that mess on the floor, D-Will must be thinking hard about where he wants to play next year, and it ain’t Brooklyn.

  50. art vandelay

    Dirk, Dwight and Deron all in Dallas? I think it will happen if Dwight somehow makes it to free agency without a commitment to another team (lakers or nets), which I doubt happens, but ya never know.

  51. massive

    - Balkman getting 21 minutes has to mean he’s a part of the rotation.
    - Landry Fields shot 2 for 12 scoring 7 points, but he did grab 7 rebounds and record 2 assists and 2 steals. Hopefully his scoring efficiency is as good as it was last season.
    - Shumpert looks pretty good already. He can attack the rim, shoot the open jumper, and create his own offense. I’m afraid for Landry Fields starting job.
    - Toney Douglas recorded 5 assists in 29 minutes, so that’s roughly 6 per 36. I can live with that from Toney, but hopefully he can score the ball at a better rate.
    - Tyson Chandler’s 4 rebounds in 26 minutes would worry me if he wasn’t Tyson Chandler. He’s the heart and soul of our defense though, which is great. Our defense hasn’t had heart or soul in forever.

  52. Jim Cavan (@JPCavan)

    So mad I was in the car driving home after a great night hangin’ out with Mike, Robert, and other blogger degenerates in NYC, and thus missed the game.

    So I’m taking we can just hand Shump the keys to the White House right now?

  53. tastycakes

    If there was justice in this world, we would not see Jared Jeffries ever play again in the NBA. He must have compromising pics of D’Antoni or something.

    Second unit looked good. Shumpert’s play was very encouraging. I am not terribly excited by the idea of picking up Baron Davis, but he’d probably be better than Mike Bibby, who somehow is getting paler with each passing year, like he’s fading away.

    Good mix of young guys and veterans on this team. Not sure who runs the offense. Impossible to tell anything from one preseason game, especially vs the Nets. Who are terrible. Seriously, who on their team would you consider “above average” besides Deron? Anthony Morrow is a useful player. Definitely not sold on Marshon Brooks. Otherwise? There is no conceivable reason Orlando would give up Dwight for any of these stiffs. Shelden Williams is their best option at PF??

  54. tastycakes

    I liked Lance Fields’ game today. Yes, he made some mistakes, but he’s always so involved while he’s on the floor, and I liked his aggression. I still believe he has the potential to be an elite role player. Very useful piece. Excited to see his development in year 2, and hopeful that his heinous performance in the playoffs were just an aberration.

  55. Spree8nyk8

    Jim Cavan (@JPCavan):
    So mad I was in the car driving home after a great night hangin’ out with Mike, Robert, and other blogger degenerates in NYC, and thus missed the game.

    So I’m taking we can just hand Shump the keys to the White House right now?

    Yeah Rita, Shump is god!

  56. Frank O.

    A few post game observations:
    - Balkman is like the girl that flirts but isn’t really that interested. If he sustains this kind of play or even remotely like this kind of play for more than a few games, I’ll be shocked.
    - Shump is going to be a solid addition to this team. He’s got the body and athleticism. He just needs minutes.
    - Jorts is going to do a lot of grunt work for the defense and he’s going to set picks and clean up a lot of crap on offense. Love having guys like that on the team. Big dude too.
    - Green isn’t going to get hardly any time, and I think Walker is going to lose a lot of minutes.
    - Bibby was unspectacular, but a guy who can function for 10-15 minutes a game and knock down threes.
    - Fields seems to have improved his jumper a bit, but he still seems like he’s trying to find his place out there.
    - If Jeffries does only what he does well, defend, and move the ball, he’s going to be fine.
    - TD…I’m more convinced than ever that Melo will run the offense and TD will play more off the ball. He doesn’t have the court vision…it’s early,but he’s a head down guy.
    Our front line will get more solid over time. Chandler, Amare and Melo will begin to run PnRs and make it very hard on defenses. On defense, Chandler is going to be a beast. Amare will have a fair number of weak side blocks. Our boards will be solid.

    I think in the end Jorts and Shump were the most pleasantly surprising players. I’m also less concerned at the moment about our depth behind Chandler and Amare.

    One game, and it was the Nets. It is notable that our scrubs pulled out to a 13 point lead and held it, even when the Nets flirted with putting back in their front line people.

  57. llcoolbp

    Just an observation, spree8nyk8 should have tastycakes’s avatar. It’s throwing me off. I think both of you guys are the same person. By the way how do I place an avatar next to my name?

  58. xduckshoex

    I really don’t think Harrellson is going to work out. I think he’s too short and too slow to be able to guard the paint effectively.

  59. llcoolbp

    on the bright side only 14 turnovers, which is pretty low considering this is the first pre-season game and after a long lock out.

  60. llcoolbp

    count bibby played 15 minutes. Thats the upper limit of what I’d like to see him play. Hopefully dantoni doesn’t have a quick hook with TDDWTDD.

  61. Frank O.

    Jorts is 6’10 and like 280. He’s a lot of things, but short isn’t one of them. I thought he played a solid game. Remember, he’s a guy that will get maybe 10 to 15 minutes a game.
    Think of him as a vastly less expensive, perhaps more effective Sheldon Williams.

  62. Frank O.

    One thing with Fields: He needs to learn a pump fake. He padded Lopez’s blocked shots stat today…

  63. Z-man

    Did Shump tweak his knee? He was wincing, and then winced again when the trainer was taping an ice bag to it.

    One week until Celts for real. How exciting is that?

  64. BigBlueAL

    Frank O.:
    Jorts is 6’10 and like 280. He’s a lot of things, but short isn’t one of them. I thought he played a solid game. Remember, he’s a guy that will get maybe 10 to 15 minutes a game.
    Think of him as a vastly less expensive, perhaps more effective Sheldon Williams.

    Jorts will not be in the rotation. There will be plenty of DNP-CD next to his name in the box score once the regular season starts.

  65. Z-man

    knicknut: Hard to speak now when we’ve only seen him (and players picked after him) for all of one preseason game. Let’s take stock after they’ve actually played a few regular season games.

    Why don’t we just wait until they retire? The point is, many folks crucified the FO for taking Shump, and he was roundly booed on draft night. So now that we have a first look, if the draft could be re-done today, would the folks who didn’t like the pick back then think differently now, just based on what we know right now? Or are they still convinced that he was the wrong guy at #17?

  66. jon abbey

    BigBlueAL: Jorts will not be in the rotation.There will be plenty of DNP-CD next to his name in the box score once the regular season starts.

    who do you think the backup big men will be exactly?

  67. Caleb

    Balk was just like this his rookie year – he was great, IMO. D’Antoni just couldn’t bring himself to play him. I think there were off-court issues, too. I’m not going to get carried away but he’s always had the *ability* to be an impact player, not just filler.

  68. BigBlueAL

    jon abbey: who do you think the backup big men will be exactly?

    Jeffries and thats it. There arent that many available minutes for backup big men considering the Knicks starting frontcourt. Plus if they do sign another SF/PF type he or Balkman would get more minutes probably since D’Antoni will probably go pretty small alot anyways.

    Its just what I think will happen, maybe Im wrong.

  69. Z-man

    Jorts was measured at 6’8.5″ w/o shoes on DX. I’d be very surprised (pleasantly) if he is in the rotation.

  70. xduckshoex

    Frank O.:
    Jorts is 6’10 and like 280. He’s a lot of things, but short isn’t one of them. I thought he played a solid game. Remember, he’s a guy that will get maybe 10 to 15 minutes a game.
    Think of him as a vastly less expensive, perhaps more effective Sheldon Williams.

    Being listed at 6’10″ is not the same as being 6’10″. At the combine he measured 6’8.5″.

    He played alright in stretches, but he was also a step slow on defense in most help situations and he doesn’t have the length to overcome that.

  71. joe

    ok this is how i feel

    starters
    chandler 5
    stat 4
    melo 3
    feilds 2
    bibby point

    now the bench is where it gets good because remember dantoni likes to run like 8 or 9 guys

    6thman is toney douglas
    shump will be right behind him
    and jorts and bill walker (dont forget about him he can shoot now!!)
    and if jarred jefferies husstles maybe him too but we have yet to see jerome james too……in all it will be a good season!!

  72. xduckshoex

    BigBlueAL: Jeffries and thats it.There arent that many available minutes for backup big men considering the Knicks starting frontcourt.Plus if they do sign another SF/PF type he or Balkman would get more minutes probably since D’Antoni will probably go pretty small alot anyways.

    Its just what I think will happen, maybe Im wrong.

    I agree with this. Jeffries comes off the bench, and sometimes Amare slides over to center and/or Melo slides over to PF depending on the matchups. I’m very comfortable with them going with Amare/Melo/Fields/Shump/Douglas, that lineup will still be able to secure rebounds and will be a nightmare to guard.

  73. Caleb

    Balk could play 4 in a small lineup. It’s gonna be him or Jeffries, unless we sign someone.

    Thinking about Shump – so many people talked about his sweet shooting stroke, I wondered if my memories were wrong. Not so much… he shot 27 percent on college 3s last year. His best was 33 percent as a soph. His best overall shooting percentage and TS% were 40.6% and 52.0%, respectively (both last year).

    He is a really good athlete who plays hard, and he can board, but his NBA ceiling is a role player, IMO. Not a bad thing on a team where 2 guys will be taking most of the shots.

    The roster looks built for 50 wins, maybe more (over a full year) but if we’re talking holes, a real PG is the obvious one.. given what’s out there, Baron Davis on the minimum or even for $2.5 mil, seems like a no-brainer unless he’s crippled. Assuming it’s just for this year.

  74. art vandelay

    The only 3 guys off the bench I guarantee we see in the rotation at this point are Shumpert, bibby and Jeffries….after that it is a crapshoot…doubt Balkman or Jorts receive consistent minutes…more likely Walker is in the rotation or on the fringe of it…

    …if they sign Baron Davis, he would obviously be in rotation and may take Bibby’s minutes, and TD would become the 6th man, a role that really is ideal for him in my opinion, coming in as combo-guard…in fact, I could see him playing more as the 2, with Davis and Bibby serving as the PGs….and if they sign another forward like Outlaw or anyone of his ilk, I think that would be the rotation:

    1 B. Davis
    2 Fields (though Shumpert could take this spot eventually)
    3 Melo
    4 STAT
    5 T. Chandler
    ——————
    Bench:
    T. Douglas
    Bibby
    Jeffries
    Outlaw

  75. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    xduckshoex: Being listed at 6’10? is not the same as being 6’10?.At the combine he measured 6’8.5?.

    He played alright in stretches, but he was also a step slow on defense in most help situations and he doesn’t have the length to overcome that.

    Luckily, people play basketball in shoes, where Jorts was measured at 6’10″.

    I’m not saying he’s a future all-star, but he’s got a nice outside shot and will hustle for 10-15 mins a night. Jorts looks like a nice pickup. A (very) poor man’s Bill Laimbeer, if you will.

  76. Caleb

    Don’t know what I was thinking, Carmelo will probably play a lot of 4. Jeffries will get 20 mpg no matter what, and no matter what WE think of him. Carmelo at the 4 will open up some time for Bill Walker as a swingman.

    Most likely, Balkman won’t play unless Walker AND Shumpert fall flat on their face. Possible, but unlikely.

  77. KnickfaninNJ

    Ok I need help understanding the game stats. The Knicks were out rebounded by 9, but had 5 more steals than the Mets did. So I would have thought the Nets had 4 more possessions than the Knicks. But actually the Knicks took 15 more shots than the Nets. How can this be? Can anyone help me out?

  78. Frank O.

    Yeah, this 6’8.5 in slippers seems pretty silly.
    But let me ask this: how many minutes do you think Amare is going to play on average in a 66 game season with 21 back to backs, a hand full of three in a rows and several four games in five days? For that matter, how many minutes do you think Chandler and melo will play? Melo probably will carry a heavier load, but Chandler’s history of injuries means they will be careful not to overwork him.
    Indeed, I expect D’Antoni will seek to broaden his bench to 9 or 10 guys, given the short season. This may explain why Balkman got extended minutes. He will need to spread the minutes to give guys a blow, especially early in the season, and guys like Jorts and Balkman will be valuable to this team.
    They only have 13 guys.

  79. BigBlueAL

    KnickfaninNJ:
    Ok I need help understanding the game stats. The Knicks were out rebounded by 9, but had 5 more steals than the Mets did. So I would have thought the Nets had 4 more possessions than the Knicks. But actually the Knicks took 15 more shots than the Nets. How can this be?Can anyone help me out?

    Nets committed 11 more turnovers than the Knicks. Dont just look at steals, look at the turnovers column. Plus Nets had 6 blocks to 2 for the Knicks.

  80. jon abbey

    ideally Baron Davis and Shumpert are the starting guards, Douglas 6th man, Bibby backup PG, Fields the rarely played 5th guard. one legit backup big men, and that’s a team that can make a real run.

  81. Frank O.

    jon abbey:
    ideally Baron Davis and Shumpert are the starting guards, Douglas 6th man, Bibby backup PG, Fields the rarely played 5th guard. one legit backup big men, and that’s a team that can make a real run.

    Wow. You really do hate Fields…lol

  82. llcoolbp

    Well knickerbloggers, thanks for the fun afternoon, I’m pretty new to this site. I have been reading this blog for 3 years in the background. You all have given me a lot of joy and stuff to read. I’m going to try and be a somewhat active poster this season. Off to taking care of my 2 month old baby girl, my wife is giving me the evil eye. I’ve wasted the entire afternoon watching the game and blogging. By the way I live in New Orleans. I wonder if any of my fellow blogger are down here?

  83. jon abbey

    yeah, I’m sick of him. he has a chance now at least until Baron is signed (hopefully) and healthy, but I’ve seen almost no signs of life from him for a while now.

  84. PC

    Totally agree about Fields. Hes clueless until he proves otherwise. He also looks to have a new hitch in his three pointer that doesn’t look fluid at all.

  85. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    jon abbey:
    yeah, I’m sick of him. he has a chance now at least until Baron is signed (hopefully) and healthy, but I’ve seen almost no signs of life from him for a while now.

    I’m worried (not very, but a little) about Fields too, but I think it’s premature to dismiss him completely after one preseason game, no matter how off he was at the end of last season.

  86. JK47

    Landry looked like he was forcing it out there a little bit. One of his great strengths was playing within himself, and when he’s making those awkward drives to the hoop he is doing the opposite of that. He really seems to be more of a natural SF than a SG, but we don’t exactly have a ton of talent at the SG position. Landry is a bit miscast as a guard I think. Very poor handle.

    Right now we have shooting guards masquerading as point guards, and small forwards masquerading as shooting guards.

  87. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    JK47:

    Right now we have shooting guards masquerading as point guards, and small forwards masquerading as shooting guards.

    Some would also say we have an Offensive Coordinator masquerading as a Head Coach :)

  88. jon abbey

    Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta): I’m worried (not very, but a little) about Fields too, but I think it’s premature to dismiss him completely after one preseason game, no matter how off he was at the end of last season.

    I’m not the coach or the GM, just a fan who’s sick of watching him suck. I’m not saying he should be released or traded, but I’d like to see him have to earn his minutes at least.

  89. BigBlueAL

    His problem as a guard I think is more defensively. His handle is poor but on this team all he has to do is spot-up, run the floor, cut and get garbage points. But again defensively he is just way too slow to cover most SG’s. Morrow was losing him like crazy, very similar to how Ray Allen torched him time after time in the playoffs.

  90. nicos

    Fields has to be able to something done off of the dribble- teams have been running him off of the 3 point line since the middle of last year and rendering him useless on offense. His jump-stop stuff looks just as bad as it did last year so he needs to either attack the rim and look to draw contact or pull up for a 15 footer. I really wouldn’t be surprised to see Shumpert take over the starting 2 spot provided he can knock down the three.

  91. daJudge

    Why did Fields play so much better the first half of last year? During that time there was wide spread ROY discussion and much love for him. I even remember Havlicek hyperbole. So was he really good in a certain system or was it a fluke? I think Landry has some nice skills that are uncommon, such as moving well w/o the ball. Unfortunately there is no true 1 to get him the ball on back door cuts, etc… He also his good hops. The downside is that he has major problems creating a shot and his D is not the best. I also agree with BBA that he is not really a 2. It is tough to be a 3 w/o the ability to create. If BD is signed and relatively healthy, the back court will change in a big way. BTW, it was really nice to see Shump and Balkman play so well. Shump’s release on his J looked decent, better than I expected. His quickness on D was obvious and if he stays healthy, we got a keeper. He reminds me a little (just a little) of a young Sugar Ray Richardson. So now we have some Sugar Ray hype.

  92. alsep73

    Frank’s line about Balkman in #111 kind of sums it up: “Balkman is like the girl that flirts but isn’t really that interested.” I’d love to see him actually give that kind of effort constantly in games – and, perhaps more importantly for his playing time, in practice – but I fear that he’ll go back to goofing around in a day or two. I would love it if, after this game, D’Antoni or Woodson or Webber pulled him aside and said, “You give us this much effort every night, and we will play you this much every night – maybe more.” The man’s got the skills, but does he have the consistent motivation?

  93. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    daJudge:

    Shump’s release on his J looked decent, better than I expected.His quickness on D was obvious and if he stays healthy, we got a keeper.He reminds me a little (just a little) of a young Sugar Ray Richardson.So now we have some Sugar Ray hype.

    Just to keep the hype train rolling, I thought of Latrell Sprewell, actually. Plus athlete/defender w/a streaky jumper and limitless confidence

  94. SeeWhyDee77

    of course..I was at work til 5:30..but I did get to see the highlights an box score. 1st..I kno it’s preseason..but a 225 lb Balkman scored 20??? 2nd..I’ve always thought certain players would look natural in a Knicks uni. Melo, Chandler, Marbury (unfortunately), Josh Smith, Jason Kidd, Grant Hill..an I got 2 see at least half of that happen. But I never imagined in a million years that Bibby would look so natural in a Knick uni. Especially now. I’ve wanted him to be a Knick before..but at this stage in his career I wouldn’t expect him to fit…or at least look like he fits lol. I sincerely hope he holds up and brings something to the table.
    On to what really matters. Shump. The kid looks like he’s gonna be a player. Not a star..but a integral piece. Active on D, aggresive on that 2nd unit offense. Definitely a good pick if he learns when 2 shoot and when to pass. Seems to be a potentially good outside threat as well. Jumper looks good.
    Speakin of outside threats..what about Peja to replace Extra E? He’d be an excellent fit in the offense and on that 2nd unit

  95. Frank O.

    I suspect it’s a little early for any snap judgments. I think Fields looks a lot like late last year for the same reason he looked that way last year, he doesn’t know how to play with the guys he’s got.
    He’s got a new center, several other new players, and he’s still not entirely familiar with how to play with Melo.
    He hasn’t played consistently with a PG since Felton.
    I think we need to remember he’s a second year player who has had to adjust to three pretty damn different teams. What we do know is for the majority of the season last year, with a stable team, he was a ROY candidate. People need to remember that.

  96. d-mar

    @161 amen to that. It’s not like the league has Landry figured out – “don’t leave him open from 3″ “only goes right” etc. His value to a team is things like hustle rebounds, smart cuts to the basket and I hate to use the term, intangibles. This was a guy who led ALL guards in rebounding for a long stretch of last season, so we know what he’s capable of. Let’s withhold judgment until maybe we’ve played one or two regular season games, OK?

  97. The Surprisingly yet Cautiously Optimistic C. J., #1 Gentleman

    KnickfaninNJ:
    Ok I need help understanding the game stats. The Knicks were out rebounded by 9, but had 5 more steals than the Mets did. So I would have thought the Nets had 4 more possessions than the Knicks. But actually the Knicks took 15 more shots than the Nets. How can this be?Can anyone help me out?

    Because defensive rebounds don’t matter much (except to prevent offensive rebounds by the other team). The Knicks had 2 more offensive rebounds, 9 more steals, and the Nets committed more offensive fouls, most likely. It’s also possible that the Knicks committed more shooting fouls, which would make the gap larger.

    Turnovers and off. rebounds win basketball games.

    You can arbitrarily divide last year’s sample all you want, but Fields shot .598 TS% over 2500 minutes. A second round pick shot .598 TS% in 2500 minutes.

  98. The Surprisingly yet Cautiously Optimistic C. J., #1 Gentleman

    d-mar:
    @161 amen to that. It’s not like the league has Landry figured out – “don’t leave him open from 3? “only goes right” etc. His value to a team is things like hustle rebounds, smart cuts to the basket and I hate to use the term, intangibles. This was a guy who led ALL guards in rebounding for a long stretch of last season, so we know what he’s capable of. Let’s withhold judgment until maybe we’ve played one or two regular season games, OK?

    I think his value to a team is .598 TS%. You may call it “hustle,” but I call it “being good at basketball.”

  99. Zach Horst

    Some of my keys from the game:

    1)STAT was being too passive. Maybe this was just because it is preseason, but we need him to be aggressive this year.
    2) Our defense is solid. Though Chandler helps a lot in the middle and down low, I saw other things I liked. For example, we kept doing this little trap up top whenever the PG ran a pick and roll. It consistently led to a turnover for the Knicks. It’s little stuff like this that can really help us.
    3)Douglas looked the same as last year, if not worse. He needs to get better, specifically in his passing decisions. Most are dumb.
    4)Melo was running the offense for a while as PG and we did AWESOME. The good thing about this was that he was drawing double teams, and he consistently found the open man which led to points. People don’t give him a lot of credit for passing, but if people are cutting and someone is open, he will find them. Also, his duo with Chandler seemed like great chemistry.
    5)Shumpert has a real shot at being legit, perhaps an All-Star. I know it’s way too early but he has all the promising signs – confidence, aggressiveness, good shot choice and form, VERY good ballhandling, tall for his position, etc.
    6)Balkman deserves a shot. At least for a few games.
    7)Bibby looked actually decent on defense, poor on offense. Did anyone else notice he picks up his dribble WAY too early? Basically right after he gets over half court.
    8)STAT’s glasses are awesome
    9)

  100. ess-dog

    While I do think DWTDD looked pretty rusty… I think he has a chance to work as the starting pg depending on Melo.

    TD is good at pushing the break and handing off to Melo. I figure with some reps, his shot will come around and even at his worst, he’s an above average defender.

    When Melo was driving and dishing in the 2nd quarter, the starting unit looked great. He really needs to be the Kobe to TD’s Fisher. I think it can work with practice, and if Shump eventually takes over the 2, we’ll have an extra above-average passer in the lineup.

    Re: Bibby, he has a sweet stroke from 3, which should garner him maybe 10 min. a night, but it’s literally like trying to watch a newborn defend 4 year olds out there when he’s on D.

    I thought Jorts did great. He’s a smart player, got some steals and boards. He’s active. I think he deserves a look.

    I love what Balkman did. He’s a guy who can give you great energy for 15-20 min a night. And he doesn’t hurt you with mistakes or the inability to finish (paging Mr. Jeffries.)

    Re: Baron… at the vet min, why not? He hasn’t been good since he was a Warrior but D’Antoni could work on him. He could split time with TD.

    Really excited about Shump. Gotta give his fans credit, the kid looks like he can bring it, despite horrible #s in college. The caveat was always that Tech had horrible, awful coaching, so in the end, I think he can be a great athletic role player for us, and maybe a starter. And I’m not impressed with Mar’shon at all. Looks like a turnover machine to me and always falls away on his shot. Pretty impressed with the Knicks F.O. right now. Can’t believe I just typed that.

  101. Madvillain_TT

    Reggie Evans would be great for this team. He will grab all the misses TDDWTDD & Landry shoot. Plus I think he is a better post Defender than JJ.

  102. Z

    I remember watching a preseason game back in 2006 against Philadelphia and Kyle Korver shot about 2-18 putting up turn-arounds, and fade-aways, and jump hooks… It was clearly a case of “this game is meaningless, so I’ll try to showcase the stuff I’ve been working on all summer”. By game 1 of the regular season, though, he was back to shooting only three pointers.

    I think Landry had one of those games today.

  103. Droidz1979

    Least its still good to know that we can still kick the Net’s behind irregardless of their filthy rich owner, impending move to Brooklyn and a superstar PG on borrowed time.. i know its just a pre-season game but am excited and Balkman just score 20 so that’s gotta count to something, right?

  104. Droidz1979

    It would also be nice if we could sign Baron Davis to add stability to our PG woes and throw lobs at either Melo, Amare and Chandler all season long. Maybe add Earl Barron for the vet’s min. as an extra insurance for our big’s. Finally that would be a Knick team that could contend and instill some fear into the eyes of its opponents.

  105. SeeWhyDee77

    So no fliers on Peja? I like Walker, Fields and Shump to handle the 2 and some 3. And I think Peja would do quite nicely behind Stat and Melo for 10-15 mpg..if he still has his J. Low risk at the vet minimum for 1 year if he’s still willing 2 play. With that and a room exception offer to Davis..the roster is set..well if we could bring Barron back for spot duty at the 5 as well that would be nice..but asking for all 3 is a bit much, no? Hell, if Davis’ back really is that bad..he’ll sign for the vet minimum 2. I can’t see another team offering 2.5 to a 32 yr old pg with a bulging disc. Not like it makes 2 much difference whether we grab him with the room or he signs a minimum deal. I’m anxious to find the truth about his back now that he’s cleared waivers

  106. danvt

    Frank O.: What we do know is for the majority of the season last year, with a stable team, he was a ROY candidate.

    I think Fields a confident player who is smart and hard working. He’ll figure it out. Sometimes he looks less than fluid but then he’ll do something really amazing. He went up way high in the air at one point and, unfortunately, missed a reverse put back jam. He’s got great timing on put backs.
    I’m glad someone talked about Jeffries ability to take charges. That’s very valuable. I think his lack of skill is mitigated by the fact that he doesn’t try to do what he’s not capable of, mostly.
    I was praising Toney in the last thread but I did not see him get into the paint at all until late in the fourth quarter when he got a layup in traffic. Is the point guard not supposed to penetrate in this offense?
    Melo did have some beautiful passes and it might make a big difference in his development to have him initiating the offense. I mean, that’s everyone’s complaint right? That he’s a ball stopper. Maybe not having a true PG is a blessing in disguise. Though, Im not giving up on Toney and I’m certain he’ll show more playmaking skills. He could not show less than he did today.

  107. John Kenney (@JohnbKenney)

    You have to love iman’s attitude. http://knicksnow.com/videos/100
    This guy has it. I am so on board. He mentally is determined to maximize his potential, and that can’t be overrated.

    He also had the highest +/- for the game at +14. JJ joined him with a plus 13…only 2 in double digits positive in a game we won by 9. He consistently positively impacted the game. It was great.

  108. KnickfaninNJ

    BigBlueAl and SOCCJ,

    Many thanks. You both make sense.

    Note thAt my reply is slow because I am out of town and doing this on my phone.

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