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Wednesday, October 22, 2014

2012 Game Thread: Pacers v. Knicks

For your amusement, here are some quotes from Coach Mike Woodson if, for some unseen reason, he was a huge fan of the seminal Richard Linklater film,  Dazed and Confused and his favorite character was the one essayed by a then-unknown Matthew McConaughey, Wooderson!

You just gotta keep on ISOin’, man. I-S-O-I-N.
I get older, they run the same plays.”
Josh Smith, 2 weeks. Don’t forget” (Slaps Jared Jeffries’ ass)
Let me tell you what Melba Toast is packin’ right here, all right.” (unchanged from the original)

You’re welcome, Knickerbloggeristas. And now, let’s comment on some ball. All right, all right!

323 comments on “2012 Game Thread: Pacers v. Knicks

  1. xcat01

    Well, that’s an original way to start off the thread. Hope it translates into a victory.

  2. Jake S.

    I want to give Landry Fields some kind of collar that gives him a mild electric shock when he uncorks a jump shot from beyond 18 feet.

  3. ephus

    No need to send the double team to help Chandler in the post against Hibbert. That was a thing of beauty.

  4. BigBlueAL

    There is no player in the NBA less equipped to play “Shooting” Guard than Landry Fields. Jesus Christ his shot has gotten beyond horrendous.

  5. ephus

    I really wish that Woodson’s press comments were not taking up the screen when the Knicks ran one of their prettiest plays of the season.

  6. dogrufus

    Melo working hard on transition D for the first time I’ve seen

    Shit, he’s pretty fast when he wants to be

  7. ephus

    That hi-low game between ‘Melo and Chandler should be there all night. Hibbert leaves his man too much.

  8. Nick C.

    That was a nice pass by Lin to a diving Tyson. I wonder what the papers will do with the Woodson quote about going with the hot hand more or less they just showed “if its Jeremy I have no problem with that.” My guess is ingnore it.

  9. max fisher-cohen

    BTW why would you go to Hibbert against Chandler? That’s the worst matchup the Pacers have.

  10. drewbreez

    Where’s ruru? Melo is playing like a capable NBA go-to man: defense, rebounding, slashing to the cup. Knick fans would be so happy if we only watched 1st QTRs.

  11. ephus

    ‘Melo battles for the bound, which ends up with Lin. Lin does the right thing and rewards ‘Melo by giving him the ball on the wing. ‘Melo gets to the rim for a 3 point play.

  12. d-mar

    I am seriously digging the Knicks defense so far. And I love that Chandler can just guard Hibbert one on one with out any help.

  13. ruruland

    drewbreez:
    Where’s ruru? Melo is playing like a capable NBA go-to man: defense, rebounding, slashing to the cup. Knick fans would be so happy if we only watched 1st QTRs.

    Only been trying to tell folks this is “in there” for months now.

  14. BigBlueAL

    Its a shame how bad Fields is shooting because his defense has improved greatly as has his ball-handling/passing despite the awful turnovers he does have once in awhile.

  15. ephus

    One bad sign for Lin. He is not quick enough to beat Collison off of the dribble, either in the offense or in the open court.

  16. ephus

    Lots of great signs for the Knicks tonight. One of the best is that the lane is filled with four or five white jerseys on every defensive rebound. Woodson’s white board read “Rebounds, Rebounds, Rebounds”

  17. ruruland

    Melo, as I’ve said for months, has done this before defensively. That’s well above average defense. That’s ’08 Melo. Hope he keeps it up.

  18. dogrufus

    Please Melo just play like this for the rest of the season and all is forgiven

    -Sincerely,
    Knick fans

  19. ephus

    Doug:
    What *isn’t* Melo doing at this point?

    Defense? Rebounds? Assists? Vicious hard fouls?

    No popcorn sales, yet.

  20. ruruland

    ephus:
    Lots of great signs for the Knicks tonight.One of the best is that the lane is filled with four or five white jerseys on every defensive rebound.Woodson’s white board read “Rebounds, Rebounds, Rebounds”

    This team wanted these things to be emphasized.

  21. dogrufus

    ephus:
    One bad sign for Lin.He is not quick enough to beat Collison off of the dribble, either in the offense or in the open court.

    Collison is arguably the NBA’s quickest PG

  22. NY2MIA

    Only h first quarter but is definitely the most intense of the season. This is NY Knicks basketball!

  23. Kikuchiyo

    If a meteor hits my house tonight, I go to heaven thinking that the Woodson Knicks are the greatest team ever.

  24. drewbreez

    ruruland: Only been trying to tell folks this is“in there” for months now.

    And by “this” do you mean effort? Are these activities a signal of effort? If so, and if he’s so capable (statistically) or otherwise, what makes him so averse to showing “this” consistently? And no more appraisals of D’A please, why not “this” more games than not?

  25. BigBlueAL

    Mike Woodson for Coach of the Year!! :-)

    I have a feeling Granger’s tweet might be the reason for the extra intensity early on.

  26. ruruland

    drewbreez: And by “this” do you mean effort? Are these activities a signal of effort? If so, and if he’s so capable (statistically) or otherwise, what makes him so averse to showing “this” consistently? And no more appraisals of D’A please, why not “this” more games than not?

    I’m going to watch the game before I answer that.

  27. dogrufus

    This is the Melo I want… the one whose face is more of an angry scowl than a goofy smile

  28. ephus

    I saw Jeffries drive from midcourt for the finger roll, but I don’t believe it. That is UNREAL.

  29. art vandelay

    @51: I think you are right….any chance we can look into hacking into every upcoming opposing star player’s twitter account and write about how the next game against the Knicks should be mad winnable?

  30. ruruland

    A blowout tonight is huge obviously, but for tomorrow as the rest of the year.

    This is great defense, clearly.

  31. drewbreez

    ruruland: I’m going to watch the game before I answer that.

    Is the 42 previous games not a large enough *gasp* sample size to visually observe effort? Or that he hasn’t done the things in the last two games that make him a more EFFECTIVE player by way of WINS? Are we only judging by sample sizes in discrete, nebulous clusters? Why not rebound in Game One as in Game Sixty Six?

  32. BigBlueAL

    art vandelay:
    @51: I think you are right….any chance we can look into hacking into every upcoming opposing star player’s twitter account and write about how the next game against the Knicks should be mad winnable?

    LOL great idea. Or we could just make fake Twitter accounts and make it seem like they are talking crap about the Knicks.

  33. ruruland

    drewbreez: Is the 42 previous games not a large enough *gasp* sample size to visually observe effort? Or that he hasn’t done the things in the last two games that make him a more EFFECTIVE player by way of WINS? Are we only judging by sample sizes in discrete, nebulous clusters? Why not rebound in Game One as in Game Sixty Six?

    Like I said.

  34. drewbreez

    ruruland: Like I said.

    What about dissecting this game in particular, or even the TWO WHOLE games in the Mike Woodson era will speak to his effort on defense for the entire season? Is there some correlation you see between each game’s circumstance and a player’s chosen effort?

  35. ephus

    The degree of difficulty on BD’s buzzer beater was 3.0.

    This is the first time that the starters have shown more intensity than the bench. the defensive rebounding in the last two minutes was not strong.

    Great first quarter by the Knicks. if ‘Melo keeps this up for four quarters, everyone will be happy.

  36. ruruland

    drewbreez: What about dissecting this game in particular, or even the TWO WHOLE games in the Mike Woodson era will speak to his effort on defense for the entire season? Is there some correlation you see between each game’s circumstance and a player’s chosen effort?

    Of course there is. That’s for the vast majority of the league.

  37. d-mar

    Please Knicks, don’t make this 1st quarter meaningless. Don’t have your usual awful 3rd quarter. Keep up the intensity for the entire game, please? Pretty please?

  38. anubav

    Great adjustment by Woodson putting Chandler in with the second unit. They were really getting beat up on the boards.

  39. Degree_Absolute

    Ugh… where was this intensity over last 10 or so games? Anyone else finding it hard to root for these guys when it seems that some of them were tanking out of immaturity/selfishness? As happy as I want to be to seeing this high-level play, I find myself shaking my head a lot. Just another sobering reminder that professional athletes are not role models, I guess.

  40. ruruland

    Degree_Absolute:
    Ugh… where was this intensity over last 10 or so games?Anyone else finding it hard to root for these guys when it seems that some of them were tanking out of immaturity/selfishness?As happy as I want to be to seeing this high-level play, I find myself shaking my head a lot.Just another sobering reminder that professional athletes are not role models, I guess.

    No, they’re people.

  41. Jake S.

    Watching the Knicks play defense and hearing Technotronic blaring across the Garden is making me awfully nostalgic.

  42. drewbreez

    ruruland: Of course there is. That’s for the vast majority of the league.

    What do you pose is the correlation between Carmelo Anthony’s defensive effort in each game and the circumstances of Sample Game X? Or, if you can find another provable, comparable correlation between game circumstance and Player Defensive Effort (i.e. willingness to get over screens, run out on shots, rebound the ball, deflect, move hands/feet) please expound on this idea for the less aware of us.

  43. Knicks4Eva

    @77, maybe.

    But I think it is more likely that they’re re-energized by change (without getting into who/what caused the change) than that they intentionally dogged it. In other words, perhaps they’re playing with more energy because they have more energy…and perhaps they have more energy because the tension/trouble of the previous weeks has been resolved. As anyone who’s talked to a woman can testify, sometimes finally resolving a long-standing issue is more important by far than the “justice” of that resolution.

  44. ephus

    Jake S.:
    Watching the Knicks play defense and hearing Technotronic blaring across the Garden is making me awfully nostalgic.

    Nest thing you know, the crowd will be chanting for Butler.

  45. Degree_Absolute

    ruruland: No, they’re people.

    I am not particularly surprised by that response from you considering that you are not a Knicks fan. You are only here because of Melo.

  46. Doug

    Degree_Absolute:
    Ugh… where was this intensity over last 10 or so games?Anyone else finding it hard to root for these guys when it seems that some of them were tanking out of immaturity/selfishness?As happy as I want to be to seeing this high-level play, I find myself shaking my head a lot.Just another sobering reminder that professional athletes are not role models, I guess.

    No, because I root for the laundry and watching great basketball is awesome.

  47. ruruland

    drewbreez: What do you pose is the correlation between Carmelo Anthony’s defensive effort in each game and the circumstances of Sample Game X? Or, if you can find another provable, comparable correlation between game circumstance and Player Defensive Effort (i.e. willingness to get over screens, run out on shots, rebound the ball, deflect, move hands/feet) please expound on this idea for the less aware of us.

    No problem. Let me watch the game, first. You should, too.

  48. Nick C.

    Degree_Absolute:
    Ugh… where was this intensity over last 10 or so games?Anyone else finding it hard to root for these guys when it seems that some of them were tanking out of immaturity/selfishness?As happy as I want to be to seeing this high-level play, I find myself shaking my head a lot.Just another sobering reminder that professional athletes are not role models, I guess.

    I agree with you in principle but I seem to find myself enjoying this immensely anyway and usually I am the first to bring up the Seinfeld “root for the laundry” quote

  49. Jake S.

    ephus: Nest thing you know, the crowd will be chanting for Butler.

    For Butler? I’m ashamed to admit I’m whiffing on the reference.

  50. ephus

    Jake S.: For Butler? I’m ashamed to admit I’m whiffing on the reference.

    Greg Butler, who was the backup center for Stanford before he was drafted to be the backup center to Ewing, was the human victory cigar for the Knicks in the early 90s.

    Jake S.: For Butler? I’m ashamed to admit I’m whiffing on the reference.

  51. Nick C.

    Now that was weird D’Antoni is gone and for the first time I can recall Lin does the Nash circle the lane and it looks like they are running up the court after rebounds.

  52. Jake S.

    ephus: Greg Butler, who was the backup center for Stanford before he was drafted to be the backup center to Ewing, was the human victory cigar for the Knicks in the early 90s.

    His last year was 89-90, thank you very much. For better or worse, I have their teams from 91 on burned into my brain.

  53. ephus

    In the ‘Melo thread this afternoon, I predicted that Chandler would go for 20+ tonight. I think it just may happen.

  54. ephus

    Jake S.: His last year was 89-90, thank you very much. For better or worse, I have their teams from 91 on burned into my brain.

    IIRC, Herb Williams (“We want Herb”) replaced Butler as the human victory cigar. Even though Herb played his best basketball for the Pacers during the 80s, he is now an indelible Knick.

  55. drewbreez

    ruruland: No problem. Let me watch the game, first. You should, too.

    I’ve watched every game this season and I *BIN* watching this board for each of those games. Trust, I will be continuing to watch and to inquire, discuss, analyze and commend the efforts of my beloved team. What I’d like to know is, why you are here to observe games and defend one player despite the results that player has produced. Maybe we’ll all know by the time this night is over, both your stance/motives and the answers to these pressing questions.

  56. d-mar

    The Knicks need to bring this intensity every single game from now until the end of the season. It’s not unheard of (see Bulls, Chicago)

  57. Jake S.

    ephus: IIRC, Herb Williams (“We want Herb”) replaced Butler as the human victory cigar.Even though Herb played his best basketball for the Pacers during the 80s, he is now an indelible Knick.

    Herb I hold near and dear to my heart. Ditto Matt Fish. I also got a kick out of the weird bond between Scotty Brooks and Walter McCarty.

  58. ephus

    Even though Collison got to the hoop, ‘Melo gave a good effort on D. He is just not quick enough to keep Collison out of the lane.

  59. BigBlueAL

    Jake S.: Herb I hold near and dear to my heart. Ditto Matt Fish. I also got a kick out of the weird bond between Scotty Brooks and Walter McCarty.

    Rick Brunson was the human victory cigar for the 1999-2000 teams.

  60. Degree_Absolute

    Doug: No, because I root for the laundry and watching great basketball is awesome.

    If we keep playing at this level I will get over it quickly, but the whole D’Antoni-Melo “can they co-exist” situation was like slowly pulling a giant band-aid off a micron at a time over the course of the entire season. It really appears that, one way or another, management should have ripped it off a while ago.

  61. limpidgimp

    ephus:
    Even though Collison got to the hoop, ‘Melo gave a good effort on D.He is just not quick enough to keep Collison out of the lane.

    Looked to me like Melo was angling for the steal and didn’t recover in time.

  62. ephus

    BigBlueAL: Rick Brunson was the human victory cigar for the 1999-2000 teams.

    Forgot about Brunson. The best thing about those years was that the Knicks were finally on the positive side of garbage time. It was nice change from the Cowboy Bob Thorton years.

  63. dogrufus

    Can we give Toney another chance now that Baron’s hurt?

    He’s been in the penalty box long enough

  64. drewbreez

    limpidgimp: Looked to me like Melo was angling for the steal and didn’t recover in time.

    As the game goes, we shall see Number 7’s athletic deficiency numero uno on display: poor stamina. His defense wears impossibly thin after hot starts. Most players weary over time, true, but his drop-off coincides with our porous backcourt problems…and Amar’e….

  65. TheXman

    LINSAAAAAANITY!!! If it weren’t for Chandler, Hansborough a probably another career night.

  66. Doug

    drewbreez: As the game goes, we shall see Number 7?s athletic deficiency numero uno on display: poor stamina. His defense wears impossibly thin after hot starts. Most players weary over time, true, but his drop-off coincides with our porous backcourt problems…and Amar’e….

    Callate. Watch the game.

  67. NY2MIA

    Wow. Nice half. Great response by team knowing this is a big game. Now they need to hold this lead! Defense creates offense.

  68. BT.Knicks

    TD is out for the game. something about Toney Jr. Did he just have a kid?

    its also his Birthday today apparently.

  69. ruruland

    limpidgimp: Looked to me like Melo was angling for the steal and didn’t recover in time.

    Right he was helping on Lin, no way he could recover back to the ball against a uber quick guard.

  70. TheXman

    NO wonder Lin playing this much, I didn’t realize Baron was out. Bibby used to play for Woodson, I read various articles suggesting Woodson was going to play Bibby in front of Lin.

  71. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Lin pull-up 3 for the exclamation point!

    Boy, this team is fighting their ass off, esp on D.

  72. llcoolbp

    baron was just getting in the groove, but i guess this was to be expected. Perhaps TDDwTDD might yet make his triumphant return. That is after the corpse of mike bibby plays like crap.

  73. anubav

    Best half of the season. Beautiful balance on offense, and tough, hard-nosed defense against a young, talented team. Nice job, coach.

  74. er

    its too early to caLL this game but has anyone noticed that all the games the team has actually won since melo has been back have been blowouts?

    If this team can just play like this consistently the sky is the limit

  75. EB

    Knicks allowed 60 points in their last two first halves combined. THAT IS KNICKS BASKETBALL!!!!

  76. Mulligan

    BigBlueAL:
    Oh boy, BD out for rest of the game.

    Probably tomorrow night too, right? Hope it doesn’t linger. These team needs a multi-game winning streak in the worst way…

  77. drewbreez

    Doug: Callate. Watch the game.

    I’m watching with attention to this team’s strengths and weaknesses. I make comments just like you do, except less often. We need a consistent defensive effort to close the game. No trophies or playoff wins have yet been awarded for great first halves, or else the Knicks would be …some other team with a lot of championships…by now.

  78. Mulligan

    I think TD’s girl just gave birth to TD JR. I think that’s why he’s away from the team right now..

  79. hoolahoop

    Even if the knicks go on a real tear, they dug themselves such a deep hole it’s going to be tough making the playoffs. Their only real shot is to beat out the Bucks, but the Bucks got an easier schedule. The good news is that they play most of the remaining games against Easter conference teams.

  80. drewbreez

    Mulligan: Probably tomorrow night too, right? Hope it doesn’t linger. These team needs a multi-game winning streak in the worst way…

    More Lin like More Cowbell. If the flaws in Lin’s game seem to share a root cause of inexperience, I’d rather him have these minutes — when he has to prove himself still more — than some old guard. Love Baron…would DEF roll a doob with ‘im, but he ain’t the long-term answer at any price.

  81. ephus

    Roy Hibbert cannot handle Tyson Chandler. Chandler is just too strong for Hibbert.

    Melo has absolutely dominated Granger. Amar’e has played strong defense on West. Even though Collison is quick enough to get wherever he wants against Lin, the Knicks are doing a good job on help defense to keep him from getting to the rim.

    Jeffries playing well at both ends of the court, including a strong move to the rim from the halfcourt circle. Shumpert making smart plays. JR Smith hitting his shots and playing smart defense.

    Please let the second half look just like the first.

  82. Michael Cline

    drewbreez: More Lin like More Cowbell. If the flaws in Lin’s game seem to share a root cause of inexperience, I’d rather him have these minutes — when he has to prove himself still more — than some old guard. Love Baron…would DEF roll a doob with ‘im, but he ain’t the long-term answer at any price.

    Of course he’s not. But he’s our best bet to spell Lin without our team falling apart. And he’s on a whole nother level than Bibby or TD. If we can get into the playoffs with some momentum and a lot to prove, I think we can do some damage. We won’t even get to the playoffs if Lin gets burned out and hurt from playing 38-40 minutes every game.

  83. JLam

    I’m convinced that MDA resignation has really motivated this club. There’s really no explanation. It’s the same team.

  84. ruruland

    hoolahoop:
    Even if the knicks go on a real tear, they dug themselves such a deep hole it’s going to be tough making the playoffs. Their only real shot is to beat out the Bucks, but the Bucks got an easier schedule. The good news is that they play most of the remaining games against Easter conference teams.

    If the Knicks go on a rel tear, one it appears they can make, they’ll make the playoffs. Love the positive thinking.

  85. Michael Cline

    That’s my concern with Chandler as well. I know he missed a few games and should be rested up, but when he’s healthy, we ride him like crazy. If he gets hurt at all, we are done.

  86. ruruland

    drewbreez: And your boy’s 3-9 in that context. Any link?

    Sigh. Let’s see what happens in the second half. 4 assists, defense and rebounding have been nice. His penetration on the two misses opened up the dunk for Amar’e. Interesting to focus on the poor shooting.

  87. Jake S.

    ruruland: Sigh. Let’s see what happens in the second half. 4 assists, defense and rebounding have been nice. His penetration on the two misses opened up the dunk for Amar’e. Interesting to focus on the poor shooting.

    Can we leave Melo alone for like two minutes? He played great that half.

  88. Michael Cline

    ruruland: Sigh. Let’s see what happens in the second half. 4 assists, defense and rebounding have been nice. His penetration on the two misses opened up the dunk for Amar’e. Interesting to focus on the poor shooting.

    You guys just need to make out already.

  89. ephus

    ruruland: Sigh. Let’s see what happens in the second half. 4 assists, defense and rebounding have been nice. His penetration on the two misses opened up the dunk for Amar’e. Interesting to focus on the poor shooting.

    +1. If ‘Melo plays well on the defensive end, rebounds and runs the court, I have every confidence that he will get his points.

  90. ruruland

    Michael Cline:
    That’s my concern with Chandler as well. I know he missed a few games and should be rested up, but when he’s healthy, we ride him like crazy. If he gets hurt at all, we are done.

    The difference right now is that everyone is playing team defense.

    Why are people talking about Chandler getting injured? get a fucking grip folks.

  91. drewbreez

    ruruland: Sigh. Let’s see what happens in the second half. 4 assists, defense and rebounding have been nice. His penetration on the two misses opened up the dunk for Amar’e. Interesting to focus on the poor shooting.

    His other contributions have been sterling, stellar and superlative, to borrow Clyde triad-ness. But his ability to score when the ball is moving is limited, and when teams play well, it tends to be when the ball is moving across the court for better shots. If our best player doesn’t do well in this context, we (as fans) must re-evaluate the label ‘best player’. That’s what this forum is about, but you seem unflinchingly focused on some other rubric for judging team success, namely Carmelo Anthony’s individual performance. Por que?

  92. NY2MIA

    Not sure if this ha been mentioned but not much of the defensive switches. Thank goodness!

  93. jon abbey

    love the intensity, they need to play like this every single game for the rest of the season.

  94. hoolahoop

    ruruland: If the Knicks go on a rel tear, one it appears they can make, they’ll make the playoffs. Love the positive thinking.

    Sorry, I don’t have your crystal ball.

  95. jon abbey

    wow, in other news, Lehigh is beating Duke with 11 minutes left (sorry for anyone DVRing that).

  96. Michael Cline

    jon abbey:
    wow, in other news, Lehigh is beating Duke with 11 minutes left (sorry for anyone DVRing that).

    I’m keeping my eye on that game as well. But as an Ohio State fan and alum, I love that the “team from up north” is losing to our little brother

  97. drewbreez

    Carmelo has run ahead of the pack three times this game. I’m worried because he doesn’t do that all the time, and no one knows why. Okay ruru, what are you doing later? Wanna get dinner, a shake?

  98. TheXman

    Is Amare that quick now, or the Pacer’s D horrible? Pacer’s D looks just really bad, like pre-Chandler Knicks.

  99. Doug

    drewbreez: His other contributions have been sterling, stellar and superlative, to borrow Clyde triad-ness. But his ability to score when the ball is moving is limited, and when teams play well, it tends to be when the ball is moving across the court for better shots. If our best player doesn’t do well in this context, we (as fans) must re-evaluate the label ‘best player’. That’s what this forum is about, but you seem unflinchingly focused on some other rubric for judging team success, namely Carmelo Anthony’s individual performance. Por que?

    maaaaake ouuuuttttt

  100. JLam

    The offense has not changed that much, it’s better D that winning. Why didn’t they play like this instead of trying to outscore the opponents? maybe its Jared that the team missed.

  101. The Infamous Cdiggy

    art vandelay:
    Is it just me or has Lin improved his free throw shooting of late?

    he has… seems he’s focusing more when he’s at the stripe.

  102. Mulligan

    B Diddy’s hamstring issue was Jesus’ little way of letting Woodson know that Lin WILL be the starter for the foreseeable future.

  103. DaniD

    Watching Lehigh hopefully take down Duke on TV and my knicks on my computer. Good night of ball

  104. d-mar

    That was incredible defensive intensity by Melo right there. Part of me wants to say “where was that all season?” the other part wants to say “Let’s go Knicks!”

  105. drewbreez

    d-mar:
    That was incredible defensive intensity by Melo right there. Part of me wants to say “where was that all season?” the other part wants to say “Let’s go Knicks!”

    This PLUS A GAZILLION.

  106. Mulligan

    Dream scenario for me is Boston somehow falling apart and dropping into 9th. They don’t have any depth nor do they have any centers. It could happen…right? Right?

  107. ephus

    d-mar:
    That was incredible defensive intensity by Melo right there. Part of me wants to say “where was that all season?” the other part wants to say “Let’s go Knicks!”

    I vote for “Let’s Go Knicks”

  108. The Infamous Cdiggy

    I see where Lin needs to improve when he gets clogged up on the perimeter by the “hard” show… I also see where he’s starting to get better…

    Amar’e needed to take that up strong. He was at point blank range, Hibbert or no…

  109. Nick C.

    NY2MIA:
    Not sure if this ha been mentioned but not much of the defensive switches. Thank goodness!

    Weird since Woodson was getting hammered about it.

  110. ephus

    I would like to see Lin run Collison off of a couple of strong screens by Chandler to try to slow him down on the other end. Collison’s quickness is the only thing that the Pacers have working for them tonight.

  111. drewbreez

    The Infamous Cdiggy:
    I see where Lin needs to improve when he gets clogged up on the perimeter by the “hard” show… I also see where he’s starting to get better…

    Amar’e needed to take that up strong.He was at point blank range, Hibbert or no…

    Problem is that, with our “Big Three [Contract]” frontcourt, we gots what we gots. Three talented players who are each on the downside of there Finish-at-the-Rim years. Even Chandler missed that easy look and his eFG% gives John Hollinger a stat-gasm. We can notice how well Jeremy is getting to the line though…may make up for some of the missed paint looks.

  112. drewbreez

    So the Knicks have the (arguable) DPoY, the league’s best 3PT Shooter (pace trending) and Jeremy Lin? What more do we need? Hey Phil, put the peyote down for a second and lemme talk to you.

  113. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Any chance the Pacers are sucking on purpose to lure the Knicks into a false sense of security for tomorrow? lol

  114. Dan Panorama

    I love that the whole crowd was screaming at JR simultaneously to find Novak in the corner on the initial fastbreak

  115. Mulligan

    Man. NOVAK. Also, Pacers with 58 points through 3 quarters. We had 50 at the half. That’s ridiculous.

  116. TheXman

    Do they just sit the starters? Bibsanity ensuing? Unreal steal by Shump, the defense is still active and intense. I like Jeffries just doubling the PG at halfcourt when they’re up almost 30. Hah. WHO ARE THESE GUYS, clearly without Chandler and Jeffries guaranteed losses.

  117. ess-dog

    The offense doesn’t even look that much different. I think guys have the green light to drive more and Lin isn’t pounding the ball as much, but the sets mostly look the same.

    Guys are hustling and making shots. Pretty funny how that wins games.

  118. d-mar

    Our defense tonight has been solid on every single Pacer possession, no let up. No layups, very few open 3’s, man I hope they can keep this up for the rest of the season.

  119. massive

    Steve Novak has to be the best three point shooter in the NBA when you consider volume, efficiency, and the fact that 3 point shooting is his only real skill.

  120. massive

    Did Amar’e Stoudemire just try to keep the play alive by diving (jumping) out of bounds? This is unreal.

  121. TheXman

    a little too much heroball by Smith, if those don’t go in, this whole board will be up in arms

  122. drewbreez

    massive:
    Steve Novak has to be the best three point shooter in the NBA when you consider volume, efficiency, and the fact that 3 point shooting is his only real skill.

    Ryan Anderson makes a strong case this year…as does Anthony Morrow…mainly because they’ve been doing it since Game 1. Novak looks to be challenging anyone’s pace though.

  123. Degree_Absolute

    Anyone else noticing the clearly calculated music selection by MSG? Talk about controlling the message…

  124. Jake S.

    Degree_Absolute:
    Anyone else noticing the clearly calculated music selection by MSG? Talk about controlling the message…

    Then again, that’s life under a fascist dictator.

  125. Degree_Absolute

    ruruland: What was the song?

    There is the public perception of turmoil in the locker room so they play a song after commercial where the lyrics repeat “Together…Together…Together” until Breen starts talking.

    D’Antoni is gone and Woodson is in so later going into a commercial they play “Brand New Day” by Sting. So weirdly anal. Only the Knicks and Dolan…

  126. ruruland

    Degree_Absolute: There is the public perception of turmoil in the locker room so they play a song after commercial where the lyrics repeat “Together…Together…Together” until Breen starts talking.

    D’Antoni is gone and Woodson is in so later going into a commercial they play “Brand New Day” by Sting.So weirdly anal.Only the Knicks and Dolan…

    haha….subtle.

  127. Degree_Absolute

    I am loving Jorts’ Amish beard. He either lost a bet or is really embracing that backwoods persona.

  128. Mulligan

    Good lord. Pacers scored 42 in that quarter? I know it was garbage time but still…

    Anyway, good win. I hope we come out with the same intensity on the defensive end tomorrow night.

  129. massive

    Mulligan:
    Good lord. Pacers scored 42 in that quarter? I know it was garbage time but still…

    Anyway, good win. I hope we come out with the same intensity on the defensive end tomorrow night.

    We better, Indiana is gonna want to destroy us tomorrow.

  130. ruruland

    drewbreez:
    JJ Part Deux shows promise. Wish we could get him more minutes behind a certain defenseless PF/C.

    Jesus, bud, of all times to say that. Amar’e’s defense was very good tonight, and it’s been above average the last few games.

    Yes, we understand you like the underpaid, “ego-less” guys on this team, but this was a great team win and tremendous show of promise from everyone that played. This is why I think sometimes Knicks fans should check themselves.

    How about just enjoy it?

  131. Degree_Absolute

    limpidgimp:
    I’ve seen superstars hang on the rim and not get the technical called on them.

    He also turned around and glared a Pacer. He deserved the T. It was a cool play, but the celebration was immature.

  132. ruruland

    Degree_Absolute: He also turned around and glared a Pacer.He deserved the T.It was a cool play, but the celebration was immature.

    He’s gotten a lot better with those things believe it or not. Playing with so much more team awareness in NY. The scoring and shooting is just coming back.

  133. NY2MIA

    Degree_Absolute: He also turned around and glared a Pacer.He deserved the T.It was a cool play, but the celebration was immature.

    I have no proof but was probably at Granger. Now I wouldn’t condone it, but I understand.

  134. TheXman

    ruruland: those things believe it or not. Playing with so much more team awareness in NY. The scoring and shooting

    NO offense and a lot of heroballing by JR at the end. Didn’t matter since they were up by 30, but we need JR to play right when the games are close.

  135. drewbreez

    ruruland: Jesus, bud, of all times to say that. Amar’e’s defense was very good tonight, and it’s been above average the last few games.

    Yes, we understand you like the underpaid, “ego-less” guys on this team, but this was a great team win and tremendous show of promise from everyone that played. This is why I think sometimes Knicks fans should check themselves.

    How about just enjoy it?

    I enjoy it and didn’t mention the defenseless power forward by name, only by position. My choice to enjoy one aspect of the game and still comment on another aspect of it is no reflection of my loyalty as a fan (since you’re so good at correlating). Are you here to enjoy the games too? News to me. Thought you weren’t a Knick fan?

  136. The Infamous Cdiggy

    massive: We better, Indiana is gonna want to destroy us tomorrow.

    They might, but this game will definitely give them something to chew on… like “ummm this team can bring it”

  137. ruruland

    TheXman: NO offense and a lot of heroballing by JR at the end.Didn’t matter since they were up by 30, but we need JR to play right when the games are close.

    He’s good enough to “heroball” when he’s on. He was, by default, playing a lot of point guard late. Wasn’t much screen and role game or understanding of what the offense was supposed to be doing with those guys from the deep bench.

    I wouldn’t pay any thought to it. JR’s passing and awareness were very good. He’s talented enough to go 1-1 when some of his shots drop.

  138. ruruland

    The Infamous Cdiggy: They might, but this game will definitely give them something to chew on… like “ummm this team can bring it”

    Kicking their ass is great. Pouring it on is better. If you’re scared of motivating a team by blowing them out you’ve got misaligned priorities.

    Moreover, you do something similar to this team tomorrow night and it’s the kind of thing that can send them into a spiral.

  139. daJudge

    Didn’t read the whole blog tonight and I’m tired. Not the greatest shooting by Amare, but I thought Stat played some pretty decent D tonight. Love the guy and would really like him to play more like a traditional 4 that can also shoot the elbow J. Channel Mo Lucas and imagine…..If we had a really awesome, yet traditional power forward, our front line would be the best in the NBA. Great win. It seems like D’Antoni definitely imparted some important wisdom to this team and maybe they will be able to put it to good use. Very interesting on so many levels. Hope BD is OK. Good night boys.

  140. ruruland

    drewbreez: I enjoy it and didn’t mention the defenseless power forward by name, only by position. My choice to enjoy one aspect of the game and still comment on another aspect of it is no reflection of my loyalty as a fan (since you’re so good at correlating). Are you here to enjoy the games too? News to me. Thought you weren’t a Knick fan?

    No one questioned your loyalty. But seems like a pretty miserable existence as a fan when you spend your time on a message board bitching about the small negatives in a 30 point blowout win…. You’d think a loyal fan would be talking about how significantly different tonights game was from those in the previous regime– easily the best game of the year on both ends.

  141. jon abbey

    drewbreez, you don’t hang around here enough to be this much of a douche. we get it, now turn it down a few notches.

    another great effort from pretty much everyone, let’s see if Chandler has another one like that in him tomorrow. I loved how Shump Shump looked at backup PG.

  142. ruruland

    Thunder can’t defend the Spurs motion offense. Looks like the second time they’ll have given up a 120 offensive rating to that team, this time at home.

    OKC is so overrated. They’re done if they get SA or LAL.

  143. Z-man

    Dudes, the suprise is not how they are playing, but how they have played. This is how this team should have been playing for weeks. I for one am glad to see D’Antoni gone, he just was not the right guy for this group.

  144. Z-man

    Oh, and were the last 2 games to ugly to watch for all those who have complained about Melo? Looked pretty good to me!

  145. ruruland

    massive:
    Anybody else watching OKC get dismantled?

    Their pythag has them at I think 4 less wins, and they’ve won so many close games with pure shot making and speed.

    Amazingly gifted team, but really wild and actually very average on defense (should be much better with Ibaka, Collison and Perkins with Sefalosha on the perimeter)

  146. ruruland

    d-mar: This coach firing thing might become pretty trendy

    Right, some have alluded to honeymoon deal, but sometimes the improvements are long-lasting. Sometimes it’s just a bad fit.

  147. Degree_Absolute

    BigBlueAL:
    Portland wins in Chicago tonight.WTF

    I mean no Derrick Rose tonight, but, after seeing the last game, it is hard to fathom that Portland team beating anyone.

  148. BigBlueAL

    Degree_Absolute: I mean no Derrick Rose tonight, but, after seeing the last game, it is hard to fathom that Portland team beating anyone.

    The Bulls beat the Heat Wed night w/o Derrick Rose.

  149. Owen

    Wow. Just got back from the game. Garden was rocking. Best moment was when the crowd started chanting for Bibby, who apparently has achieved human victory cigar status…

    Hate to see Melo’s perfidy rewarded but awesome to see them blow out a pretty decent Pacers squad….

    I do think that our recent results and the Blazers win are a sign that locker room issues have very real impacts on on court performance, even if the stats can’t track it. (captain obvious I know.)

  150. The Infamous Cdiggy

    drewbreez: Problem is that, with our “Big Three [Contract]” frontcourt, we gots what we gots. Three talented players who are each on the downside of there Finish-at-the-Rim years. Even Chandler missed that easy look and his eFG% gives John Hollinger a stat-gasm. We can notice how well Jeremy is getting to the line though…may make up for some of the missed paint looks.

    my statement was not any type of general indictment on the frontcourt, just that one play. And I think “downside of finish-at-the-rim years” is very premature if not inaccurate, and that’s factoring Amar’e.

  151. Degree_Absolute

    BigBlueAL: The Bulls beat the Heat Wed night w/o Derrick Rose.

    Oh, I am all too well aware of that. My GF (a Bulls fan) would not stop talking trash. “Didn’t the Heat destroy you a couple weeks ago?” Completely unnecessary.

  152. JLam

    If the Knicks and Blazers keep winning this will start a tend of coach firings by all the teams in the playoff hunt

  153. drm1977

    As a longtime reader, I’ll point out that there is an inverse relationship between the quality of the dialogue on this board. The more poorly the Knicks play, the more cogent the analysis here; the better the Knicks play, the more fragmented the analysis here.

    Given that logic, I hope things continue to deteriorate on the board and improve on the court.

  154. The Infamous Cdiggy

    by the way, I know there’s a wager/ongoing convo about Melo’s eFG/TS%/etc… he had 12pts on 12 shots, but i don’t believe this is the night for that convo – it would take away from the real stories of this game – a team sharing, super-intensity effort on both sides of the ball.

  155. jon abbey

    BigBlueAL: Wont travel to Indy tomorrow, hopeful to play on Tuesday.

    oh, that’s not so bad, thanks.

    good job by Woodson to go with Shumpert over his known quantity of Bibby for the backup PG minutes in the second half.

  156. jon abbey

    drm1977:
    As a longtime reader, I’ll point out that there is an inverse relationship between the quality of the dialogue on this board.The more poorly the Knicks play, the more cogent the analysis here; the better the Knicks play, the more fragmented the analysis here.

    Given that logic, I hope things continue to deteriorate on the board and improve on the court.

    heh, this connects to my long-time theory that the more successful the team, the dumber the fan base. it’s why the main Yankee board (nyyfans) is so bad and why such a good sports board formed out of four generations of Red Sox futility (Sons of Sam Horn).

  157. limpidgimp

    Owen: Wow. Just got back from the game. Garden was rocking. Best moment was when the crowd started chanting for Bibby, who apparently has achieved human victory cigar status…

    I always wondered: how do chants like that get started at the Garden?

  158. Owen

    “I always wondered: how do chants like that get started at the Garden?”

    We are the best fans in the world. It’s magic…

  159. flossy

    The Infamous Cdiggy: I think “downside of finish-at-the-rim years” is very premature if not inaccurate, and that’s factoring Amar’e.

    Especially since Amar’e’s FG% at the rim is higher than last year.

  160. Doug

    jon abbey: heh, this connects to my long-time theory that the more successful the team, the dumber the fan base. it’s why the main Yankee board (nyyfans) is so bad and why such a good sports board formed out of four generations of Red Sox futility (Sons of Sam Horn).

    Is River Ave Blues or NYYfans bigger? However, RAB also fits with your theory, as the overall commenting quality has gone down drastically since the ’09 WS. There’s just too many new commenters to maintain a regular discourse – it’s become like an echo chamber where everybody repeats themselves over and over.

  161. Z-man

    Owen: Hate to see Melo’s perfidy rewarded but awesome to see them blow out a pretty decent Pacers squad….

    Was Melo really to blame, or D’Antoni’s confining model of coaching? It’s pretty clear that this team is not tailored to D’Antoni’s system. Should Melo have just kept his figurative mouth shut, or did he actually do us all a favor in getting D’Antoni to move on sooner rather than later? Too early to tell for sure, but so far, Melo looks right. PS Woodson is a good man too.

  162. jon abbey

    Doug: Is River Ave Blues or NYYfans bigger? However, RAB also fits with your theory, as the overall commenting quality has gone down drastically since the ’09 WS. There’s just too many new commenters to maintain a regular discourse – it’s become like an echo chamber where everybody repeats themselves over and over.

    RAB is a much better site, but a blog like this as opposed to a full discussion forum. I don’t usually read the comments much but agree from what I have seen, I do my Yankees talking at SoSH (any Yankee fans with something intelligent to say, come on over, I have your back, I’m somehow a mod there).

    Owen, I bet that was a fun one to go to!

  163. Owen

    It was a fun one, though clearly I would have preferred watching the game on a spreadsheet in my mom’s basement…

    “Was Melo really to blame, or D’Antoni’s confining model of coaching? It’s pretty clear that this team is not tailored to D’Antoni’s system.”

    I sense we will be arguing about this for a long time….

  164. Doug

    My feeling is that D’Antoni’s firing was a huge wake-up call to the entire team, a “shit just got real” moment. They lost a popular and well-like coach because they played bad basketball. Instead of worrying about the system and being on the page, now they HAVE to BE on the same page. They’re reacting as a team, instead of thinking about how to be a team.

    D’Antoni’s gone, now the players have to immediately seize ownership of their season.

  165. jon abbey

    we still have two games against Milwaukee, those are must wins. 20 other games besides that, 12-8 or 13-7 plus 2 wins against MIL should put us into the 8th spot, and maybe even higher (that would be 34-32 or 35-31).

  166. jon abbey

    ruru, I hope you’re still watching OKC come back on the old man Spurs, down to 4 now with 10 minutes left.

    I strongly disagree with you about them, they were the easy conference faves coming into the year for me and nothing has made me change my mind on that.

  167. ruruland

    jon abbey:
    ruru, I hope you’re still watching OKC come back on the old man Spurs, down to 4 now with 10 minutes left.

    I strongly disagree with you about them, they were the easy conference faves coming into the year for me and nothing has made me change my mind on that.

    I’m watching. Spurs started settling after making all those 3s. OKC has that great crowd and had one of their patented defense-to-offense spurts. But when the Spurs execute they’re getting just about any shot they want.

  168. Owen

    SRS says the Thunder are overrated….

    That is all I have to add there….

    And the Knicks are about to make a mockery of pythagorean expectation with their last two wins….

  169. drm1977

    These Knicks have excelled in prosperity and despair. When they get up big, wow. When they get behind big, watch out, they will crawl back.

    We can’t render a verdict on the coach (MDA) vs. star (Melo, Stat) debate until they encounter a moment of significant adversity and either fold or overcome it.

    I’ve got no idea how they will react, but we haven’t seen anything in the last two games to suggest that anything is different yet. Will Melo fold or persevere? That’s the drama of the remaining games.

  170. jon abbey

    drm1977:

    I’ve got no idea how they will react, but we haven’t seen anything in the last two games to suggest that anything is different yet.

    D’Antoni’s Knicks never had back to back wins by 57 or more points. the last time NY won back to back games by that much was late 2003, with a starting lineup of Kurt Thomas, Keith Van Horn, Dikembe Mutumbo, Allan Houston and Frank Williams.

    so we know a little something, we know they’re capable of this kind of effort for three games in a row (we saw it against Chicago too, they just couldn’t get any defensive boards).

  171. ruruland

    jon abbey: D’Antoni’s Knicks never had back to back wins by 57 or more points. the last time NY won back to back games by that much was late 2003, with a starting lineup of Kurt Thomas, Keith Van Horn, Dikembe Mutumbo, Allan Houston and Frank Williams.

    so we know a little something, we know they’re capable of this kind of effort for three games in a row (we saw it against Chicago too, they just couldn’t get any defensive boards).

    Yeah, those first two and half quarters is about as good defense can be played at any level of basketball, at least until James and Wade team up with Howard, Noah and Rondo in a couple of years.

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