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Thursday, September 18, 2014

2012 Game Thread: New York v. New Orleans

Your Lin-game thoughts here. Hey, everyone else is doing a bad Lin pun so why not me?

235 comments on “2012 Game Thread: New York v. New Orleans

  1. dogrufus

    Ugh, Lin credited for a 4th turnover where he really didn’t ever have control of the ball after stealing it.

    More fuel for all the criticism.

  2. Nick C.

    dogrufus:
    Ugh, Lin credited for a 4th turnover where he really didn’t ever have control of the ball after stealing it.

    More fuel for all the criticism.

    Does that mean they gave him a steal? :)

  3. rooster_douglas

    Any idea why this game isn’t on espn? Saw promos for it as recently as today (I think) and yahoo has it listed as an espn game… but it isn’t. Not complaining, rather listen to Walt Clyde and Breen in the same place, just curious.

  4. art vandelay

    with all due respect to Lin, whom I love, he can’t be leaving his feet looking to pass as much as he has been so far in this first quarter….then again, NOLA D has been pretty strong thus far…he is not getting those opening at the rim he often does.

  5. DaniD

    You would think with Lin and his story being on ESPN 24/7 that they would be airing these games on ESPN.

  6. d-mar

    Breen, Clyde and Bernard jabber on while the Knicks are getting their asses kicked. Need to focus on the game just a little.

  7. max fisher-cohen

    Chris Kaman feels young tonight?

    BTW, how was that not a foul on the Chandler drive like two minutes ago?

  8. Nick C.

    Art, some of those passes it seemed like he was trying to do too much or overassuming. The first one was a quarter court bounce pass to Amare on the run. I think there was another pass low to Amare or Tyson on the move.

  9. Droidz1979

    rooster_douglas:
    Any idea why this game isn’t on espn? Saw promos for it as recently as today (I think) and yahoo has it listed as an espn game… but it isn’t. Not complaining, rather listen to Walt Clyde and Breen in the same place, just curious.

    ESPN changed it prior to the LINsanity (Jan. 27 i think) as their so-called “experts” assumed that a game between scrubs would not be worth much on national TV. Boy were they wrong now **grins**

  10. Nick C.

    Ariza and Kaman are looking all world. WTF. At least Amare is hitting his jump shot because there’s nothing else positive going on yet.

  11. Droidz1979

    Spree8nyk8:
    Might be the end of the Empire Strikes Back regiment

    if this were the old Knicks team then you’d probably be right but i’ve learned to grow some faith to this team now. Let’s be patient i guess since its just the 2nd quarter and they seem to manage steal games nowadays.

  12. art vandelay

    at least maybe STAT has regained his outside touch….still not finishing around the rim like he ordinarily does and getting his shot blocked way too easily….one of these days he will learn to put up a shot fake before going up…..probably never needed to earlier in his career due to his beastly athleticism, but as he ages, he will have to adapt.

  13. Droidz1979

    Droidz1979: ESPN changed it prior to the LINsanity (Jan. 27 i think) as their so-called “experts” assumed that a game between scrubs would not be worth much on national TV. Boy were they wrong now **grins**

    Apparently, ESPN was changed its mind (again) and cover the game after all. They actually picked the Mavs vs 76ers game over this back then.

  14. Nick C.

    Defense brought them back. I can’t believe it’s only a four point game. I think Lin has 8 turnovers and almost none of them are forced.

  15. dogrufus

    BOLD PREDICTION:

    Jeremy Lin will finish this game with:

    -Not more than 10 turnovers total (8 at half)

    -Double figure assists

    -possibly the dreaded tainted triple double

  16. DaniD

    I cant watch the game. Livestream is not working. My phone is giving me a play by play but not a good one. I’ve seen numerous times BAD PASS BY LIN. Not looking too good from the foul line either. Boys are looking a bit tired?

  17. art vandelay

    Knicks are 0-8 from 3-point range in first half….can’t understand why in the world there is even some handwringing about the JR Smith signing….we desperately needing his shooting range and 3pt %…we have one viable option from 3 (Novak), and if he is off, we basically won’t hit the side of a barn, and yet they will keep shooting a low % shot….so Smith could be huge in my opinion for creating space inside and reducing doubles off of Melo/STAT.

  18. SSS

    The amazing thing is, the Knicks are ahead if they shoot their foul shots at a slightly less awful percentage. Shows how bad this NOLA team is. Almost as bad as their mardi gras uniforms look.

  19. Dance like Oak

    I also can’t watch the darn game. Is Lin as bad as his line? Is NOLA playing him any different? Help!

  20. DaniD

    SSS: The amazing thing is, the Knicks are ahead if they shoot their foul shots at a slightly less awful percentage. Shows how bad this NOLA team is. Almost as bad as their mardi gras uniforms look.

    Those uniforms are heinous

  21. Frank O.

    Is this the first time Lin has seen a zone so consistently?
    The zone is letting him in then collapsing around him and NO is doing a good job closing down passing lanes

  22. Droidz1979

    NOLA has 16 team fouls as compared to 6 for the Knicks.. they should continue to pound the ball inside for the big’s of the Hornets to be on foul trouble (what’s left of it that is). Guess its not helping that the outside shots of the Knicks are not falling. Missing the “Novocaine” big time

  23. Antwan

    Man though, gotta give Ariza some credit… Playing like a champ out there. The rest of the team, save Kaman, sucks.

  24. ephus

    NOLA is playing extremely physical. With 16 fouls against NOLA, there could easily be 8 more. Team was lethargic in the first half.

  25. DaniD

    They could pound the ball inside and hope for foul trouble for NOLA in the second half but whats the point when we’re shit at the line? Hopefully they finish strong….

  26. SSS

    I know he’s an extremely incomplete player, but I feel like Novak needs to be on the floor the rest of this game. We just don’t have anyone to provide spacing, and they’re daring us to shoot. And while Lin is undoubtedly playing poorly, it also looks like the refs are tired of his hype – he’s getting knocked around.

  27. DaniD

    SSS: I know he’s an extremely incomplete player, but I feel like Novak needs to be on the floor the rest of this game. We just don’t have anyone to provide spacing, and they’re daring us to shoot. And while Lin is undoubtedly playing poorly, it also looks like the refs are tired of his hype – he’s getting knocked around.

    Novak definitely needs more touches and needs to shoot more.

  28. SSS

    Its crazy how far they’re playing off Fields, daring him to shoot a 3. I mean, he’s our shooting guard, right, and he isn’t even a threat to shoot? JR Smith may do wonders for this team.

    I’d also like to see Lin shoot the open 3 when they give it to him, it looks like he can knock them down when given time.

  29. Droidz1979

    2 wide open miss from Novak on the 3 tsk tsk and the offensive rebounds are killing the Knicks so far. they are obviously being out-hustled by NOLA tonight

  30. kronicfatigue

    How come Amare stopped going after that offensive rebound that went out of bounds about 3 minutes ago?

  31. Droidz1979

    DaniD:
    Is Lin being pressured into these TO’s or is he just playing sloppy?

    NOLA are clogging the lane with the zone and playing well on the passing lane thus resulting to either a foul, wide open 3 or TOs

  32. Jake S.

    xduckshoex:
    So…are we worried about Lin’s turnovers yet?

    I am a little. He’s obviously a very good player, and may get better still, but the Knicks are asking a lot from someone who is ostensibly a rookie.

  33. Nick C.

    Droidz1979: NOLA are clogging the lane with the zone and playing well on the passing lane thus resulting to either a foul, wide open 3 or TOs

    I think all but the steal steal back by NO were on passes.

  34. BigBlueAL

    Just got home right now, only positive about tonight is hopefully it silences the idiots who think the Knicks dont need Melo or JR Smith.

  35. Droidz1979

    BigBlueAL:
    Just got home right now, only positive about tonight is hopefully it silences the idiots who think the Knicks dont need Melo or JR Smith.

    I agree but it wouldn’t hurt if we steal a win here tonight. The win streak matters more to me than the Linsanity or Melo destroying the chemistry thingie

  36. atnnyjet

    damn what is going on…i hope lin learns from his mistakes as the year goes on…he def can’t play like this against the heat/bulls D

  37. BigBlueAL

    David Crockett:
    Knicks are a step slow and short on everything. We look really tired, and it’s EVERYBODY.

    Considering they end the 1st half of the season with 4 games in 5 days starting on Sunday thats not a good thing. Melo and JR would be nice reinforcements on Sunday although Id rather not have Melo rush back.

  38. Droidz1979

    Shump instead of dumping the ball to Amare picked Jeffries instead that almost resulted to a TO. Love his D but i think the Knicks need a serviceable back-up PG. Oh, and he just made a 3

  39. BigBlueAL

    Shump keeps missing Novak coming off a screen wide open for 3. Thankfully didnt hurt them the last 2 possessions.

  40. Droidz1979

    so far Fields seems to have the worst +/- at -18 while Shump had the best at 0.. This run is good based on the fact that J-Lin is resting. Boy would they need his legs on the end game if we do indeed steal this one

  41. Nick C.

    Just like that its back to a five point game. I hope it’s more the Knicks getting their act together than NO having the starters on the bench.

  42. BigBlueAL

    David Crockett: The Melo fears (in the media) seem way overdone.

    No no no, I cant wait for Melo to come back. I meant injury wise, no need to rush him back. Let him sit the rest of the 1st half if necessary, would be alot easier to do if JR Smith can play starting on Sunday.

  43. Nick C.

    What an awful pass by Shump! Lin sent to the scorers table. Shump redeems himself with a jumper and now the Jared Jefferies show.

  44. Droidz1979

    Man either D’ Antoni is a genius or plain wierd.. he sure is wired definitely for the Knicks to be just down by 3. Guess NOLA prepared their D with J-Lin around and can’t seem to figure out any contingency if he is not around. They seem to have forgotten about JJ too

  45. ephus

    NOLA has been throwing 3 defenders at the PnR just about every time. Need to get some ball reversals out of the PnR for open corner 3s.

  46. SSS

    This energy level from STAT both on the boards and on defense is just great to watch. He still is a bit clueless on rotations and help defense, but at least he’s active and obviously trying.

  47. Droidz1979

    Droidz1979:
    Man either D’ Antoni is a genius or plain wierd.. he sure is wired definitely for the Knicks to be just down by 3. Guess NOLA prepared their D with J-Lin around and can’t seem to figure out any contingency if he is not around. They seem to have forgotten about JJ too

    i meant wired differently

  48. David Crockett

    Kaman is getting away with a LOT of contact all over the floor.

    Also, you know what’s cool? As awful as the Knicks have played they’ll probably hold NOLA in the 80s.

  49. kronicfatigue

    So I’m trying to relearn NBA basketball after taking nearly a decade off. Chandler seems to switch off the pick a lot. Am I seeing that right? Is it a smart play? I remember cringing when Ewing would wind up on the guard, but Chandler seems faster.

  50. Jake S.

    kronicfatigue:
    So I’m trying to relearn NBA basketball after taking nearly a decade off. Chandler seems to switch off the pick a lot. Am I seeing that right? Is it a smart play? I remember cringing when Ewing would wind up on the guard, but Chandler seems faster.

    It’s a cause of much sturm und drang on this site.

  51. BigBlueAL

    Jake S.:
    They don’t really deserve to win this game.

    They didnt deserve to win at Minny and Toronto. They were overdue for a game like tonight.

  52. Droidz1979

    NOLA doesn’t seem to want to win this one tonight though by missing that 2nd FT.. i wonder if they’re more strong willed than the Knicks tonight

  53. ephus

    I don’t like the strategy of playing for the stop, because if the ball hits the rim, you will not get the ball back with any time.

  54. BigBlueAL

    Losing this game is not that big a deal considering they have won their last 7 games but in reality its a pretty pathetic loss at home.

  55. David Crockett

    Just couldn’t throw it in the ocean tonight.

    Has anyone EVER seen Novak miss multiple wide open looks be several *inches*

  56. DaniD

    It’s over. 21 TO’s, poor shooting especially from the FT Line. The Linsanity was bound to end. I just didn’t think it’d be to this team.

  57. BigBlueAL

    The Knicks chose a perfect day to sign JR Smith. Tonight’s game couldnt have been a better example for how much the Knicks need him.

  58. David Crockett

    BigBlueAL:
    Losing this game is not that big a deal considering they have won their last 7 games but in reality its a pretty pathetic loss at home.

    Some nights ya got nothin’. You just hope you can get to the line and get some stops. We did both, but missed free throws.

    … And they banked in a three.

  59. JR Sec 112

    well, this game is at least good for this board, because it should silence all the Melo haters out there. I mean, can anyone not argue that what the Knicks really could need tonight is Melo? Not to mention the fact that it is painfully obvious that Amare coming back is not the answer because 1. he cant really create his own shot and more importantly 2. his defense and rebounding is atrocious. He’s been beat repeatedly beaten by Gustavo Ayon.

    Lin played a terrible 1st half, but this game is really not his fault at all. He happens to be playing with wing players who are inconsistent shooters/scorers. And of course the bench was pathetic tonight. Cant wait for both Melo and JR to come back. To think we could challenge any quality teams without them is a joke. Again, our best win on this streak has been at home vs. the Lakers, hardly a ‘signature’ win.

  60. BigBlueAL

    David Crockett: Some nights ya got nothin’. You just hope you can get to the line and get some stops. We did both, but missed free throws.

    … And they banked in a three.

    Still, this is a home loss to the fucking Hornets. If this had happened before Linsanity this board would be calling for D’Antoni and Melo’s heads lol

  61. David Crockett

    Really nice game in many ways for STAT and for Jeffries. How fitting that skillet hands couldn’t hold onto it and throws it off STAT’s foot.

  62. jon abbey

    stumbLin and bumbLin

    I blame that idiot Berman in the Post for putting on the front cover today that NY would sweep the next four games. also, I blame Thomas B. for his first post here.

  63. Nick C.

    Yeah the TOs and missed FTs finally came back to bite them in the ass. Aren’t they two of the Four Factors?

  64. JR Sec 112

    How could anyone call this a nice game by STAT? he was invisible in the 4th quarter and his lack of defense cost them the game.

  65. David Crockett

    BigBlueAL: Still, this is a home loss to the fucking Hornets.If this had happened before Linsanity this board would be calling for D’Antoni and Melo’s heads lol

    Well, if by Linsanity you mean a 7 game winning streak, yeah. That lets me know that it was just one of those nights.

    Also, the D held the Hornets under 90. Most nights that’ll be enough.

  66. The Infamous Cdiggy

    David Crockett: Some nights ya got nothin’. You just hope you can get to the line and get some stops. We did both, but missed free throws.

    … And they banked in a three.

    I agree. Though the Hornets had some nifty interior passing (grrr Amar’e), i thought some of the bounces went their way tonight. Knicks’ shooting touch was off; missed a bunch of make-able shots in the 2nd half.

  67. Gamecockerbocker

    Can we REALLY start Landry over Smith? Melo’s going to be the only shooter (and by that I mean person who can occasionally get hot from deep) on the floor in our starting five and I think it’s clear one of the best ways to stop Lin is to swarm him when he drives… Pretty easy to quadruple-team a guy when none of his teammates can hit threes on a consistent basis. 1-8 from the field just isn’t going to cut it moving forward… Also… how the hell does STAT only shoot three free-throws in 40 minutes?

  68. Droidz1979

    JR Sec 112:
    How could anyone call this a nice game by STAT?he was invisible in the 4th quarter and his lack of defense cost them the game.

    They were not dumping the ball to him plus J-Lin preferred Chandler’s pick to his. Not the dude’s fault plus NOLA was making those circus shots and helped by the refs tonight

  69. BigBlueAL

    Ive never seen this board so calm after an embarrassing loss like tonight (yes losing at home to the Hornets who are w/o Gordon and Okafor is embarrassing).

    I just hope it remains this way if the Knicks lose on Sunday and Melo plays lol

  70. Brian Cronin

    Obviously you don’t want to lose any game, but come on, there is no scenario where we’d be freaking out after a bad loss following a seven-game winning streak.

    I think there were three key areas that lost this game. Two were avoidable and one was just flukey.

    First off, 21 turnovers is too much (although they cut down on the TOs in the second half).
    Secondly, you simply cannot miss 10 out of 28 free throws. Horrible job by Chandler and Fields there.
    Thirdly, though, Steve Novak went 1 for 7 from beyond the arc (and they were all decent looks). That is just flukey.

  71. DaniD

    ESPN radio just stated that Lin lead this team to their first loss in 2 weeks with 9 TOs. So quick to hate. I think EVERYONE contributed to this loss. 41% shooting as a team. They deserved this loss but at least they fought for it.

  72. Droidz1979

    Gamecockerbocker:
    Can we REALLY start Landry over Smith? Melo’s going to be the only shooter (and by that I mean person who can occasionally get hot from deep) on the floor in our starting five and I think it’s clear one of the best ways to stop Lin is to swarm him when he drives… Pretty easy to quadruple-team a guy when none of his teammates can hit threes on a consistent basis. 1-8 from the field just isn’t going to cut it moving forward… Also… how the hell does STAT only shoot three free-throws in 40 minutes?

    I think our second unit needs more firepower based on the fact that Novocaine can’t create for himself and he does miss wide open 3′s too..same goes for Jared

  73. ephus

    Not blaming the refs, because they called it consistently, but this was a REALLY physical game. When Lin missed that late lay-up, he buried his elbow into the chest of the defender to clear out room, because he knew that he would not be getting the call. Novak could not hit a jumper for most of the game. I disagree with those who are blaming Amar’e for this loss — he gave effort and scored effectively.

    Fields was awful, except for one dunk.

  74. Gamecockerbocker

    Droidz1979: They were not dumping the ball to him plus J-Lin preferred Chandler’s pick to his. Not the dude’s fault plus NOLA was making those circus shots and helped by the refs tonight

    His offensive game was awesome tonight. His defensive game was the exact opposite and negated most of his positives tonight.

  75. dogrufus

    9 turnovers for Lin, but once again it seemed to be a clear case of him encountering a defense he hadn’t seen before. Only 1 2nd half turnover suggests Lin figured that shit out at his halftime tape sessions.

    What a huge benefit it is that teams are spending so much of their defensive resources stopping Lin. Amare was terrific all night long offensively, and we had open threes all night long.

    Unfortunately sometimes you miss free throws and your shooters miss everything and you lose.

    How about Lin’s ranged shooting though? His midrange shot in particular is a lot better than advertised, and his 3pt% has been rising steadily.

  76. Brian Cronin

    Unfortunately sometimes you miss free throws and your shooters miss everything and you lose.

    And that is especially not worrisome when you realize Smith and Melo are coming soon. Really, everything went wrong and they were down 2 with the ball when Jeffries made a boneheaded pass that took it to a 5 point lead. It just wasn’t their night. With Smith joining the team and Melo rejoining, this is a hard game to worry too much about.

  77. Robert Silverman

    Not to act like I’m psychic, but for ESPN on Wednesday, when asked how long the Knicks’ winning streak will last, I wrote:

    As a devout student of the feckless entity known as, “The Knicks,” I tend to, as Jeremy Lin put it recently, “Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.” My heart says this reaches the magic 8-ball, but my head says they cough one up to either of the league’s lesser lights at some point before Saturday, with some imp of the perverse like Gustavo Ayon breaking out to the tune of 25 points and 10 rebounds.

  78. dogrufus

    Just wanted to add that we’ve gone pretty far down the rabbit hole when a 26 points/5 assists/4 steals on efficient shooting is our starting PG’s worst game of his career.

    My how our expectations have changed in 12 days!

  79. BigBlueAL

    Brian Cronin:
    Obviously you don’t want to lose any game, but come on, there is no scenario where we’d be freaking out after a bad loss following a seven-game winning streak.

    I think there were three key areas that lost this game. Two were avoidable and one was just flukey.

    First off, 21 turnovers is too much (although they cut down on the TOs in the second half).
    Secondly, you simply cannot miss 10 out of 28 free throws. Horrible job by Chandler and Fields there.
    Thirdly, though, Steve Novak went 1 for 7 from beyond the arc (and they were all decent looks). That is just flukey.

    I honestly dont care that they lost tonight (although losses like this will make it impossible to get out of the 7-8 seeds). I just really hope this place reacts the same way once Melo returns and they lose and he doesnt play great. I think a loss like tonight is good in a way because it shows how badly this team needs Melo and JR Smith if they really wanna make a run come playoff time. They dont necessarily need those 2 guys to win as they have proven but if they really wanna compete with the best teams come playoff time they desperately need a healthy Melo and JR Smith.

  80. Doug

    Robert Silverman:
    Not to act like I’m psychic, but for ESPN on Wednesday, when asked how long the Knicks’ winning streak will last, I wrote:

    “As a devout student of the feckless entity known as, “The Knicks,” I tend to, as Jeremy Lin put it recently, “Hope for the best and prepare for the worst.” My heart says this reaches the magic 8-ball, but my head says they cough one up to either of the league’s lesser lights at some point before Saturday, with some imp of the perverse like Gustavo Ayon breaking out to the tune of 25 points and 10 rebounds.”

    It was you, Robert! You jinxed us all! *lights torch, grabs pitchfork*

  81. Brian Cronin

    Not to act like I’m psychic, but for ESPN on Wednesday, when asked how long the Knicks’ winning streak will last,

    I was planning on searching the archive because I remembered someone making a Gustavo Ayon comment. So it was you. Good stuff!

  82. Gamecockerbocker

    Brian Cronin: And that is especially not worrisome when you realize Smith and Melo are coming soon. Really, everything went wrong and they were down 2 when Jeffries made a boneheaded pass that took it to a 5 point lead. It just wasn’t their night. With Smith joining the team and Melo rejoining, this is a hard game to worry too much about.,

    Very true. I’d much rather have Smith and Melo taking Field’s and Walker’s open jumpers.

  83. Droidz1979

    Gamecockerbocker: His offensive game was awesome tonight. His defensive game was the exact opposite and negated most of his positives tonight.

    But we didn’t miss this game solely or exclusively because of him. Guess if Melo was here then it was also his fault. Dude also had 13 boards. If we hit those open 3′s and made the FTs then it would have been different.

  84. Brian Cronin

    Very true. I’d much rather have Smith and Melo taking Field’s and Walker’s open jumpers.

    It’s not even just about burying Walker to the bench (although that is nice), it is about being in a situation late in the game (but not too late) where you’d like to take a three, but Fields and Shump are in there and neither of them are who you want taking a big three. You can easily have one of them in there, but you shouldn’t be closing out the game with both of them.

  85. Droidz1979

    Robert Silverman:
    Not to act like I’m psychic, but for ESPN on Wednesday, when asked how long the Knicks’ winning streak will last, I wrote:

    Dude only scored 13 points but did have 11 rebounds, 2 assist and 2 steals and gave that and 1 dagger near the end to quell the NY rally

  86. Gamecockerbocker

    Droidz1979: But we didn’t miss this game solely or exclusively because of him. Guess if Melo was here then it was also his fault. Dude also had 13 boards. If we hit those open 3?s and made the FTs then it would have been different.

    His defense was a big part of this loss. Not the only reason, but a big part of it.

  87. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, this was a team loss more than anything else. Particularly in the first half where they were all incredibly sloppy. Lin, though, irritated me because when he pays more attention, he avoids the turnovers. So do that early, Lin!

  88. Brian Cronin

    Weird question from a reporter to D’Antoni about Lin – her suggestion was that the turnovers were because he wasn’t looking for his shot because he didn’t want to score too much. I didn’t get that. I think he just made a bunch of dumb passes.

  89. DaniD

    I blame the sloppiness early on that they thought they were coming into an easy game. Can’t take any game lightly.

  90. Gamecockerbocker

    As a proud Gamecock I’m more pissed about Balkman getting cut than anything. I know our point guard depth is nonexistent, but come on… Dr. Balkman is everyone’s favorite “human victory blunt.”

  91. Robert Silverman

    Brian Cronin: I was planning on searching the archive because I remembered someone making a Gustavo Ayon comment. So it was you. Good stuff!

    I’ve seen this play before. Hamlet dies at the end. It’s the same script w/different actors

  92. Owen

    Simmons had a bit on ayon in a recent mailbag….he is playing well but not quite the Mexican Jeremy Lin….

  93. Brian Cronin

    He’s been clutch and made some important shots recently. Just a VERY off night for him. For everyone.

    Yeah, it is also why I can’t get too irked by the loss. I mean, don’t get me wrong, during the game it was brutal, but once it is over, when you have a flop after winning seven in a row, can you really get too pissed off? Especially when they fought their way back in there and they add Melo and Smith next game.

  94. nicos

    In Amar’e’s defense, he did defend Kamen better than Chandler did. Seemed like the team may have been looking ahead to Sunday. Or perhaps the signing of JR put a little damper on the feel good vibes with Walker, Fields, and Shump all looking over their shoulders a bit.

  95. Brian Cronin

    As a proud Gamecock I’m more pissed about Balkman getting cut than anything. I know our point guard depth is nonexistent, but come on… Dr. Balkman is everyone’s favorite “human victory blunt.”

    By the way, if Bibby is not going to play at all, then why not cut him?

  96. BigBlueAL

    Brian Cronin: By the way, if Bibby is not going to play at all, then why not cut him?

    Insurance plain and simple. More important to have an extra PG than Balkman.

    BTW one thing I am liking lately is Lin’s improved 3pt shooting. Shooting it off the dribble and spotting up, a good sign that he can be a decent 3pt shooter.

  97. KnicksFanInVA

    Brian Cronin:
    Weird question from a reporter to D’Antoni about Lin – her suggestion was that the turnovers were because he wasn’t looking for his shot because he didn’t want to score too much. I didn’t get that. I think he just made a bunch of dumb passes.

    I guess the reporter was trying to imply that since Lin was TRYING not to score too much, turnovers were a result of him trying to force passes.

  98. Gamecockerbocker

    Brian Cronin: By the way, if Bibby is not going to play at all, then why not cut him?

    Because the Knicks love paying players who aren’t on their roster? (Balkman still had another year, right?)

  99. Juany8

    This team is starting to have a few if the problems we had early on with Melo, in that we only have 1 guy that can dribble. Once Jr and Melo come in, that’s going to ease up the offensive pressure for any 1 player to be a dominant ball handler, and it’s going to add spacing to the offense, which should help put us over the top a bit.

  100. jon abbey

    Brian Cronin: Yeah, it is also why I can’t get too irked by the loss. I mean, don’t get me wrong, during the game it was brutal, but once it is over, when you have a flop after winning seven in a row, can you really get too pissed off? Especially when they fought their way back in there and they add Melo and Smith next game.

    Smith isn’t playing until at least Monday, I just read somewhere.

    and they need these games, 8-15 put them in a huge hole and the schedule is about to get quite a bit tougher. very bad loss.

  101. DaniD

    Brian Cronin: Yeah, it is also why I can’t get too irked by the loss. I mean, don’t get me wrong, during the game it was brutal, but once it is over, when you have a flop after winning seven in a row, can you really get too pissed off? Especially when they fought their way back in there and they add Melo and Smith next game.

    You can’t be upset. In all seriousness, who expected them to win the last 7? Especially when STAT and Melo were out. It was a nice run. But I’m excited for the whole team to be back. Maybe there will be some appreciation for Melo now. We need shooters. Period.

  102. flossy

    nicos: Or perhaps the signing of JR put a little damper on the feel good vibes with Walker, Fields, and Shump all looking over their shoulders a bit.

    Ha! I see JR Smith wasted no time RUINING EVERYTHING

  103. JR Sec 112

    again, Amare didnt guard anyone well tonight. Another example of decent stats if you look at the box score, terrible if you watched the game. Vasquez had 11 assists and I would bet 7-8 of those were on breakdowns by Amare. Why does he get a free pass all of the time on this board?

    Landry was terrible tonight and that was a big part of the offense not opening up. But easy to give him a pass, since he is playing well in general.

  104. d-mar

    Incredible that some of you are blaming this loss on STAT. Yes, Ayon burned him on 2 backdoor cuts, but the guy had 13 pts. Who was guarding Hall of Famers Trevor Ariza and Marco Bellinelli? But really, we lost this game because we couldn’t make a shot, not because of our defense. And Amare was the only Knick who actually did shoot well, plus he had some great hustle plays on the offensive glass.

    It just amazes me how much crap Amare takes, even on a night when he actually played pretty well.

  105. d-mar

    JR Sec 112:
    again, Amare didnt guard anyone well tonight.Another example of decent stats if you look at the box score, terrible if you watched the game.Vasquez had 11 assists and I would bet 7-8 of those were on breakdowns by Amare.Why does he get a free pass all of the time on this board?

    Landry was terrible tonight and that was a big part of the offense not opening up.But easy to give him a pass, since he is playing well in general.

    Um, I think it’s possible some of Vasquez’s assists were to Ariza or Bellinelli, who had 42 of the team’s 89 points. Didn’t think it was possible to blame assists on Amare, now I’ve seen it all.

  106. JR Sec 112

    obviously, d-mar, you didnt watch the game closely. The point is, when you play D, you need to stay with your man or else someone is forced to rotate, breaking down the D, and leaving weakside jumpshooters like Bellinelli and Ariza open. Its not in the boxscore and its not as simple as saying ‘ayon had 13 points’. Just like its not as simple as saying ‘melo shot poorly’ because the threat of him scoring opens up the offense, as teams are forced to double team.

    If you cant see that Amare was atrocious on D, then you just werent watching the game closely.

  107. BigBlueAL

    Just read that before the game D’Antoni said BD looked good in practice yesterday and they will make a decision on when he will play next week.

    Would be great to have BD and Jorts coming back after the All-Star break along with adding JR Smith. Depth goes from a weakness to a strength. Just hope with the tough schedule coming up Knicks dont get stuck with the 8th seed which I fear will happen. But hell it would make for one helluva story to repeat what happened in the last lockout shortened season!!

  108. KnicksFanInVA

    Anyone think the JR signing had any effect on Fields, Shump, Walker, or Novak?

    Maybe getting tight with their shots knowing their playing time is going to take a hit?

  109. BigBlueAL

    The Hornets scored 89 points. Defense is the last thing that should be blamed for the loss. Having to hold a team under 85 points to win in today’s NBA is not a recipe for success. Knicks lost this game because they were horrible on offense plain and simple.

  110. The Infamous Cdiggy

    jon abbey: Smith isn’t playing until at least Monday, I just read somewhere.

    and they need these games, 8-15 put them in a huge hole and the schedule is about to get quite a bit tougher. very bad loss.

    Hey.. I’m a Giants fan. I know how it feels when your team lays an egg against a team that, on paper, you should beat w/no problem. It’d be easier to blase’ this one if they hadn’t just dug themselves out of a 8-15 hole. But they were off tonight; I thought the Hornets played smarter and had some bounces go their way. It bees like that sometimes.

  111. jon abbey

    KnicksFanInVA:
    Anyone think the JR signing had any effect on Fields, Shump, Walker, or Novak?

    Maybe getting tight with their shots knowing their playing time is going to take a hit?

    if anything, it should have had the reverse effect, fighting to prove they still deserved minutes after everyone is back.

  112. BigBlueAL

    KnicksFanInVA:
    Anyone think the JR signing had any effect on Fields, Shump, Walker, or Novak?

    Maybe getting tight with their shots knowing their playing time is going to take a hit?

    If that is really the case then I dont want those guys on the team. That is a pretty embarrassing excuse to have for shooting like shit. Fields and Shump have shot 3pters like crap the entire season, its the reason the Knicks were desperate to sign a guy like JR Smith.

    If they wouldve been shooting better all season long there wouldnt have been a need to sign JR Smith.

  113. JR Sec 112

    BBA, it would be nice if it was that simple. However, lets not forget that coming in NO was the 2nd worst offensive team in the NBA, averaging less than 88 points per game. Furthermore, they managed to shoot 7-12 from 3, despite coming in shooting less than 30% as a team. So yeah, the knicks lost for 2 reasons – 1. their offense was terrible, but also 2. their weak side D was bad, leaving a lot of open 3s for NO

  114. BigBlueAL

    JR Sec 112:
    BBA, it would be nice if it was that simple.However, lets not forget that coming in NO was the 2nd worst offensive team in the NBA, averaging less than 88 points per game. Furthermore, they managed to shoot 7-12 from 3, despite coming in shooting less than 30% as a team.So yeah, the knicks lost for 2 reasons – 1.their offense was terrible, but also 2.their weak side D was bad, leaving a lot of open 3s for NO

    To be fair when I got home the score was 63-51 halfway thru the 3rd quarter so I didnt see the Hornets do much on offense except for the backdoor cuts late in the game that were costly.

    Still, scoring 85 points at home to the Hornets is inexcusable.

  115. JR Sec 112

    NO is not a bad defensive team – they are 5th in the West in points allowed. I would argue to let Trevor Ariza torch you for 25 points including 4 3s is inexcusable.

  116. nicos

    JR Sec 112:
    obviously, d-mar, you didnt watch the game closely.The point is, when you play D, you need to stay with your man or else someone is forced to rotate, breaking down the D, and leaving weakside jumpshooters like Bellinelli and Ariza open.Its not in the boxscore and its not as simple as saying ‘ayon had 13 points’.Just like its not as simple as saying ‘melo shot poorly’ because the threat of him scoring opens up the offense, as teams are forced to double team.

    If you cant see that Amare was atrocious on D, then you just werent watching the game closely.

    Did you watch Novak or Fields tonight? And Lin, too. All of them let their guys go wherever they wanted on the floor. Amar’e needed to be better, no doubt, but the problems started on the perimeter where the Knicks were continually trailing their men. The only guy who played with any defensive energy was Jeffries. Even with a subpar defensive effort, with any kind of outside shooting outside of Lin this would have been a win, fewer turnovers and better free throw shooting and it would have been an easy win.

  117. JR Sec 112

    Agree wholeheartedly about Novak. Honestly didnt notice Fields as much. Lin I thought was ok on D. Although he needs to fight through screens more. But Amare’s rotations are just terrible. Chandler didnt play particularly well either. Also agree Jeffries was the only guy on the team that really showed up tonight.

  118. JR Sec 112

    And yes, they desperately need shooting. But what you really meant to say is, they desperately need MELO. Or is that too hard for anyone on KB to actually type…

  119. Droidz1979

    JR Sec 112:
    again, Amare didnt guard anyone well tonight.Another example of decent stats if you look at the box score, terrible if you watched the game.Vasquez had 11 assists and I would bet 7-8 of those were on breakdowns by Amare.Why does he get a free pass all of the time on this board?

    Landry was terrible tonight and that was a big part of the offense not opening up.But easy to give him a pass, since he is playing well in general.

    Lets trade him for Gustavo Ayon then so that we’d have the top D and win the championships!

  120. BigBlueAL

    The Hornets shot 42.7 % from the field and got outrebounded by 11. They also attempted 6 less FT’s than the Knicks. Problem was the Knicks actually shot worse from the field and turned it over 21 times.

  121. Brian Cronin

    And yes, they desperately need shooting. But what you really meant to say is, they desperately need MELO. Or is that too hard for anyone on KB to actually type…

    Seriously?

    Maybe there will be some appreciation for Melo now. We need shooters. Period.

    Once Jr and Melo come in, that’s going to ease up the offensive pressure for any 1 player to be a dominant ball handler, and it’s going to add spacing to the offense, which should help put us over the top a bit.

    Especially when they fought their way back in there and they add Melo and Smith next game.

    Very true. I’d much rather have Smith and Melo taking Field’s and Walker’s open jumpers.

    I think a loss like tonight is good in a way because it shows how badly this team needs Melo and JR Smith if they really wanna make a run come playoff time.

    With Smith joining the team and Melo rejoining, this is a hard game to worry too much about.

    Yeah, no one was talking about looking forward to Melo’s return.

  122. bobneptune

    BigBlueAL:
    The Hornets scored 89 points.Defense is the last thing that should be blamed for the loss.Having to hold a team under 85 points to win in today’s NBA is not a recipe for success.Knicks lost this game because they were horrible on offense plain and simple.

    yeah…. i mean when nola’s big show that hard on the pnr and their 3&4 men jam the lane so there are few lobs and leave the knick’s wings wide open and they shoot 2 – 19 from 3 and you handle the ball like it has herpes and miss 10 free throws, you will probably lose.

    of course, on such nights when the outside shot isn’t falling, it would be nice if your 7′ 1″ 14 million dollar “great” center had a sniff of a post game and could get more than 4 shots off….. but we all understand that is too much to ask for.

  123. JR Sec 112

    Brian, you dont think its fair to say that most people on the board were not looking forward to Melo coming back because they were worried he would be a ball stopper? I dont want to pick out all the examples from the past week, but there were many more posts that viewed Melo as a potential problem than as part of the solution.

  124. Gamecockerbocker

    God I love this guy. “JLin7: 9 TOs wont get it done…gotta learn from my mistakes and move on to the next one. See you guys sunday!”

  125. daJudge

    Brian–I meant ‘lack’ of attention to detail—which shows my own lack of attention to detail I suppose.

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