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Tuesday, October 21, 2014

2012 Game Thread: New York v. Milwaukee

Now is the spring of our discontent. The Knicks suffered a major blow today when they discovered that Amar’e Stoudemire has a bulging disc in his lower back. He is currently seeking a second opinion, but conservative estimates would have him back at the beginning of the playoffs at the earliest and there is no way of knowing what shape he will be in when he returns (or even if he returns in time at all).

Jeremy Lin is also going to miss tonight’s game due to a sore knee. That seems less likely to be a major issue, though.

So Baron Davis will start in place of Lin with Iman Shumpert moving into the starting lineup at the 2 while Landry Fields moves over to the starting 3 and Carmelo Anthony becomes the Knicks’ starting 4. Tyson Chandler, of course, remains the 5.

This is a mighty big game for the Knicks. Win this one and they’re up 2 1/2 games on the Bucks with 16 to go. Lose and…well, let’s just hope that they don’t lose, okay?

Use this thread for your in-game thoughts!

432 comments on “2012 Game Thread: New York v. Milwaukee

  1. Jake S.

    Not to go all helicopter parent on this thread, but I’m not sure JR is the best influence on young, impressionable Shump.

  2. Count de Pennies

    Seems it was only yesterday when folks were suggesting that Amar’e’s skills had become so degraded that the Knicks last best hope was to ship his broke down, overpaid ass out of town.

    Now I’m reading that all hope is lost because Amar’e will be out indefinitely with a bulging disc.

    Suggested title for the Knicks commemorative 2011-12 DVD: Amar’e… can’t win with him; can’t win without him.

  3. Gorky

    I guess Jeffries will see more time, that’s not bad.

    However I am terrified of our PG situation. A possibly broken down Davis starting backed up by whom? Bibby’s corpse? Shumpert? Toney Douglas of all people?

  4. jon abbey

    Gorky:
    I guess Jeffries will see more time, that’s not bad.

    However I am terrified of our PG situation. A possibly broken down Davis starting backed up by whom? Bibby’s corpse? Shumpert? Toney Douglas of all people?

    Jeffries is hurt. Shumpert should be the backup PG, but that will be hard when he’s starting at SG.

  5. Richmond County

    Someone asked in the last thread where the source of the Knicks curse stems from. May I suggest Brandon Jennings? The lowly Bucks are 8-1 since that draft against the Knicks and Jennings always seems to go off against the ‘bockers. Somehow I’m not surprised that 2 starters are out for a game against Jennings’ team.

  6. Gorky

    jon abbey: Jeffries is hurt. Shumpert should be the backup PG, but that will be hard when he’s starting at SG.

    Oh shit, forgot about that.

    Smith/Fields can play SG, allowing Shump to move over. At least that’s what I’m hoping

  7. johnlocke

    Hahaha!!

    Had to rewind to catch it..,

    d-mar:
    Al Trautwig just became a You Tube sensation: “MRI reveals a bulging dick”

  8. johnlocke

    Woody said he plans to play Bobby and Douglas a lot. Hopefully by a lot he means very little

    Gorky: Oh shit, forgot about that.

    Smith/Fields can play SG, allowing Shump to move over. At least that’s what I’m hoping

  9. Z

    johnlocke:
    Woody said he plans to play Bobby and Douglas a lot. Hopefully by a lot he means very little

    That’s much worse than the Amar’e news…

  10. johnlocke

    Hope so. Worry about his confidence. Also worry about BDiddys overconfidence…great passer but goes for spectacular over the easy play way too much …if we can limit turnovers and play good d, we can win

    ruruland: Maybe Douglas has recovered.

  11. JK47

    Z: That’s much worse than the Amar’e news…

    Maybe instead of “Bibby” it’s actually a guy named “Bobby” who is good at basketball.

  12. Z

    JK47: Maybe instead of “Bibby” it’s actually a guy named “Bobby” who is good at basketball.

    Bobby Silverman, perhaps…

  13. art vandelay

    Davis has been either feast or famine….lots of high-risk plays/passes that are either exquisite or god awful!

  14. JLam

    Caught Al’s bulging dick-disc remark on YouTube.Lol I’m expecting 1 million more hits by tomorrow

  15. Brian Cronin

    So, is it that Melo just has to be the focal point of the offense to be awesome? Because he has looked like old school Melo so far. Putting on an offensive clinic.

  16. art vandelay

    Whoever said we would be just fine in the earlier thread without STAT apparently hadn’t been watching how Jorts has been playing since he returned from injury.

  17. Frank O.

    art vandelay:
    Whoever said we would be just fine in the earlier thread without STAT apparently hadn’t been watching how Jorts has been playing since he returned from injury.

    Harrelson looks a bit heavier

  18. Z

    art vandelay:
    Whoever said we would be just fine in the earlier thread without STAT apparently hadn’t been watching how Jorts has been playing since he returned from injury.

    C’est moi… (when, exactly, is Jeffries due back :)

  19. limpidgimp

    Baron is not inclined to make plays to get Novak open. He’d rather hero ball himself.

  20. Nick C.

    limpidgimp:
    Baron is not inclined to make plays to get Novak open. He’d rather hero ball himself.

    That’s odd since when he first came back he seemed to look for Novak a lot.

  21. Frank O.

    Brian Cronin:
    It really does irk me how much the other Knicks don’t try to get Novak the ball. Fields is about the only one who will try to get it to him.

    Second best in the Nba. You’d think…

  22. Nick C.

    Dunleavy had thirty something last year at least once against the Knicks but this is insane.

  23. Michael Cline

    The Bucks have some many over-achieving playesr the last two months (Dunleavy, Gooden, for example). They are a good TEAM – though I think adding Monta Ellis was a disastrous decision

  24. johnlocke

    Have shump play pt guard or have melo initiate the offense…baron just makes the same mistakes over and over again…shooting when he should pass…passing when he should shoot..playing like a rookie

    Frank O.: And bring in Bibby? Or tddwtdd?

  25. Doug

    wtf does baron think he is doing

    Amare and Lin are gone, now it’s his turn to play hero? Fuck out of here.

  26. Brian Cronin

    That’s odd since when he first came back he seemed to look for Novak a lot.

    Right? It is such an odd change. He looked for him a lot at first but not much at all lately. Maybe he’s feeling his own shot more lately?

  27. Will the Thrill

    Shumpert at Pg. Baron literally has no idea what to do when he is out there, he makes random drives and tries for fancy passes around pick and rolls. He tries shots he can’t make, and passes instead of shooting shots he can make. I’d rather have Melo bringing it down honestly.

    Frank O.: And bring in Bibby? Or tddwtdd?

  28. Will the Thrill

    lol same!

    johnlocke:
    Have shump play pt guard or have melo initiate the offense…baron just makes the same mistakes over and over again…shooting when he should pass…passing when he should shoot..playing like a rookie

  29. Michael Cline

    I love Tyson as much as anyone, but why does he try to tip every other rebound? I feel like he tips rebounds that he could just grab. Drives me nuts

  30. Nick C.

    Whoever made the point in another thread that Ellis-Jennings was awful but Dunleavy was efficient called it. They are 1-9 and he is 9-10.

  31. JK47

    JR Smith is playing like such absolute crap that he’ll probably want to renew his option when the year ends. So we have that going for us.

  32. Juany8

    Michael Cline:
    I love Tyson as much as anyone, but why does he try to tip every other rebound? I feel like he tips rebounds that he could just grab. Drives me nuts

    Chandler hasn’t been trying as hard lately for whatever reason. He’s given up a fair amount of offensive rebounds to guys half his size recently.

  33. EB

    If we only had Lin and Landry gaurding them they’d talk them into handing the ball over to the knicks.

  34. Will the Thrill

    Lin may help the offense more, but that doesn’t mean Amare wouldn’t have greatly improved our offense this game (half). I mean, he could’ve had an off game tonight, but he also could’ve put up numbers like he has put up in the past 12 games.

    Z: Chandler’s been scoring inside. (Lin would help the offense more).

  35. Brian Cronin

    Dunleavy has over 50% of their fgm, 48% of their points, and 5 of 6 of their 3?s.

    And less than a quarter of their field goals attempted! Thank you, Ellis and Jennings!

  36. johnlocke

    How stupid are we? They’re two best players are playing like crap…and we leave dunleavy open for 3 after 3 when he burned usnin our last game. He wasn’t in the game plan? I know all our players didn’t go to harvard…but c’mon!

    Brian Cronin:
    How fucking insanely stupid are Ellis and Jennings?

  37. Juany8

    johnlocke:
    How stupid are we? They’re two best players are playing like crap…and we leave dunleavy open for 3 after 3 when he burned usnin our last game. He wasn’t in the game plan? I know all our players didn’t go to harvard…but c’mon!

    Ironically his primary defender did go to Stanford. Is Bill Walker really a worse option that Fields at this point?

  38. johnlocke

    If you call that Carmelo “help” d on the play defense….then you’re right
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    Brian Cronin: As the four-point play showed, guarding him did not always work, either. ;)

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    Brian Cronin: As the four-point play showed, guarding him did not always work, either. ;)

  39. Frank O.

    The Baron, Shump and JR contingent are show 10 of the Knicks’ 13 TOs.
    But Davis is +5, and Shump is +4. JR, however, -5.

  40. johnlocke

    True…Fields his horrible at fighting through picks…..think its a combo of lazy and scared of injury fighting through screens….he may injure his shoulder and mess up his 3pt shot

    Juany8: Ironically his primary defender did go to Stanford. Is Bill Walker really a worse option that Fields at this point?

  41. Frank O.

    Brian Cronin:
    Wow, I thought Melo was shooting better than 5 for 11.

    He finished poorly. He’s forced a few and did that head down dribbling thing he does when things are going poorly

  42. EB

    Juany8: Ironically his primary defender did go to Stanford. Is Bill Walker really a worse option that Fields at this point?

    I believe Walker is injured.

  43. thenamestsam

    Baron is just brutal. I remember when he was supposed to be our savior at the point. I’m going out on a limb here but I’m not sure that would have worked out. Thank god for Lin.

  44. taggart4800

    I think Davis is as much a product of this offense as his own ineptitude. He plays with good poise but is being forced into ‘forcing it’. If we make the playoffs I reckon that will change. Fields shooting woes kinda make him endearing to me because I can empathise. The only sport I have been remotely competitive at is golf and there have most definitely been stretches where I have worked on my game so much and focused on it so hard that when I looked down, I could have sworn I was looking at someone else holding the club.
    My cure was to play with a severe hangover, gotta be worth a shot at least.

  45. Will the Thrill

    lol Jon Abbey is not having a good day.

    Frank O.:
    The Baron, Shump and JR contingent are show 10 of the Knicks’ 13 TOs.
    But Davis is +5, and Shump is +4. JR, however, -5.

  46. JK47

    Honestly Baron’s boxscore line looks a lot like a Jeremy Lin line. 11 points on 7 FGA and 4 assists, but 4 TO.

  47. art vandelay

    thenamestsam:
    Baron is just brutal. I remember when he was supposed to be our savior at the point. I’m going out on a limb here but I’m not sure that would have worked out. Thank god for Lin.

    yup…he just joined a long line of supposed “saviors” who turned out to be abject knick failures.

  48. Z

    Walker is injured.

    I’m not sure if Fields was the primary defender of Dunleavy during that display. Was he?

  49. johnlocke

    Lin does not have a 1 to 1 asst to turnover ratio dude

    JK47:
    Honestly Baron’s boxscore line looks a lot like a Jeremy Lin line.11 points on 7 FGA and 4 assists, but 4 TO.

  50. jon abbey

    Will the Thrill:
    lol Jon Abbey is not having a good day.

    someone has shut out Jennings and Ellis.

    to me this game is actually kind of proof that Baron should be starting and Lin should be finishing, with maybe 20-22 minutes total for Baron. for once, we’re not overmatched in the first guard at both guard positions.

  51. Z

    JK47:
    Honestly Baron’s boxscore line looks a lot like a Jeremy Lin line.11 points on 7 FGA and 4 assists, but 4 TO.

    Lin hasn’t been doing the 8 turnover thing much lately. Plus, the reason he turns itoveris because he commands a lot of attention, opening the floor, which Baron does not.

    But it’s a pretty fair point. More than Baron hurting us, is the fact that Baron isn’t backing up that Lin-esque stat line. mike Bibby is.

  52. jon abbey

    jon abbey: swe’re not overmatched in the first guard at both guard positions.

    in the first QUARTER at both guard positions, I wish we had an edit button.

  53. Brian Cronin

    Fields has not been guarding Dunleavy, at least not the primary defender. So that is not on him. The horrible shooting? Totally on him. You gotta love a possession that has three attempts by Fields and Shump.

  54. ess-dog

    Wow, I just got in and heard about Amare. It’s a bummer, but I agree with Brian that our roster makes up for that loss somewhat.

    I’ll be curious to see how we work it out. Melo at the 4 or Melo at the 3 with Jorts/JJ at the 4. I think if Lin can become a legit 2nd option, we can afford to start JJ at the 4. He’s earned it. Of course, both those guys have to be healthy.

    Meanwhile in this game, we’re faring pretty well despite the Dunleavy explosion. If JJ was playing him, we’d be winning easily.

    NOVAK!

  55. Juany8

    Melo is destroying people on post ups. Even when Lin and Amar’e come back he needs to be featured like this. Foul every time and he’s just missed a couple of 3 point plays.

  56. JK47

    The Bucks scored 4 points in 6 minutes. Now watch what happens now that Wilt-Kobe-Jordan-Bird Dunleavy is in there.

  57. Brian Cronin

    I just love that Jennings had the three, realized it was a bad look, passed it up, then decided to take the original bad look anyways. And missed it, of course. Soooo dumb!

  58. ephus

    That turnover by Melo was Jorts fault. Lazy pass into the post, then he did not clear out quickly. Jorts’ defender was able to double on ‘Melo, and Jorts did not make himself available for a pass at the front of the rim.

    Breen blamed it on “too much isolation” by ‘Melo.

  59. ruruland

    Melo is working through this right now. Never seen him rush so many shots around the basket like this. He needs to calm the fuck down.

  60. Kikuchiyo

    Do you think the Heat and the Bulls are watching this game thinking they should tank their way to the 3 spot to avoid these juggernauts?

  61. ruruland

    ephus:
    That turnover by Melo was Jorts fault.Lazy pass into the post, then he did not clear out quickly.Jorts’ defender was able to double on ‘Melo, and Jorts did not make himself available for a pass at the front of the rim.

    Breen blamed it on “too much isolation” by ‘Melo.

    Naturally.

  62. KnicksFanInVA

    +1 LOL

    Kikuchiyo:
    Do you think the Heat and the Bulls are watching this game thinking they should tank their way to the 3 spot to avoid these juggernauts?

  63. Bruno Almeida

    Frank O.: How they keep losing track of the guy is astounding

    our defense has been pretty atrocious, Jennings has missed many easy shots

  64. Z

    Kikuchiyo:
    Do you think the Heat and the Bulls are watching this game thinking they should tank their way to the 3 spot to avoid these juggernauts?

    They definitely don’t want to face Mike Dunleavy!

  65. ephus

    Melo cannot post up while Jorts is in the high post, because his man is totally sagging off and doubling ‘Melo before he even gets the ball. Jorts has to take a 16′ shot.

  66. Z

    Unselfish pass by Carmelo to Novak there. Thought Melo’d be “feeling the heat” after hitting a layup.

  67. Will the Thrill

    This lineup kind of reminds me of the Boston game in the playoffs last year where Melo went off. He is literally the only one out there with the ability to make a play on offense for us.

  68. ruruland

    Junior has been great tonight… If he can combine this with his normal shooting he’s an all-star talent.

    Drawing double teams is good, Breen. There’s no one else who can initiate offense on the team with Junior struggles.

  69. ephus

    Let ‘Melo hold for one shot on the isolation. Corner three to Novak when the defense collapses.

  70. Mulligan

    whoa, we got lucky right there. unless melo pulled something, in which case we’re really really unlucky

  71. ruruland

    Frank O.:
    Man, but Melo seems unable to elevate. The dude doesn’t look right

    He’s getting all weird around the rim. That middle spin move is basically automatic when he makes it to the rim with no big.

  72. Z

    ruruland:
    Junior has been great tonight… If he can combine this with his normal shooting he’s an all-star talent.

    Hahahaha!

    Joke of the night. (you should have sold it to Silverman for the quick recap, tough).

  73. art vandelay

    Doug:
    Winning ugly. So, so ugly.

    This is the exact type of game we needed to potentially win this one without STAT and Lin….they just need to win ugly and muck it up without the big guns.

  74. JK47

    ruruland:
    Junior has been great tonight… If he can combine this with his normal shooting he’s an all-star talent.

    Drawing double teams is good, Breen. There’s no one else who can initiate offense on the team with Junior struggles.

    If 0-6 with 4 turnovers is “good” then I don’t want to see “bad.”

  75. Frank O.

    ruruland: He’s getting all weird around the rim. That middle spin move is basically automatic when he makes it to the rim with no big.

    His timing seems completely off

  76. hotdamn

    It’s pretty clear Jorts isn’t ready for major minutes right now. And shump is melting down.

  77. ephus

    I am certain that the body check from Harrelson contributed to Dunleavy missing both shots. Its like a left hook to the body.

  78. ruruland

    JK47: If 0-6 with 4 turnovers is “good” then I don’t want to see “bad.”

    He’s doing all of the little things he didn’t use to.

  79. art vandelay

    I think the Knicks might do better playing 4-on-5 rather than having Harrelson in as the 5th tonight.

  80. ephus

    That foul by Jorts took Dunleavy out of his shooting groove. Legs are no longer underneath him.

  81. Frank O.

    Shump, please don’t run over guys. You’re built like a linebacker, but you’re a guard…rook

  82. Juany8

    Baron Davis has been the Knick’s best player tonight. He’s an incredible passer, I honestly think he should get a little more free reign to work out the kinks than anything. Especially since when he sits Melo has to do absolutely everything.

  83. Mulligan

    ephus:
    That foul by Jorts took Dunleavy out of his shooting groove.Legs are no longer underneath him.

    it was probably Jorts’ smell. Have you guys read about how apparently Jorts smells really bad? When you watch him play D, people look really stunned when they run into him. I thought maybe he was really strong, but perhaps he just exudes a really nasty odor that throws his opponents off…

  84. jon abbey

    Juany8:
    Baron Davis has been the Knick’s best player tonight. He’s an incredible passer, I honestly think he should get a little more free reign to work out the kinks than anything. Especially since when he sits Melo has to do absolutely everything.

    it’s so ridiculous that you don’t get an assist for a pass leading to a foul and made FTs, I’d love to know how many of those he has tonight.

  85. Doug

    ephus:
    That foul by Jorts took Dunleavy out of his shooting groove.Legs are no longer underneath him.

    That’s what happens when the irresistible force meets the immovable object.

  86. Frank O.

    Juany8:
    Baron Davis has been the Knick’s best player tonight. He’s an incredible passer, I honestly think he should get a little more free reign to work out the kinks than anything. Especially since when he sits Melo has to do absolutely everything.

    Um, an odd time to say this given he’s got 4 assists and 6 TOs.

  87. ephus

    JR Smith is going to have to supply the offense the rest of this game. i do not think we are going to see ‘Melo again.

  88. hotdamn

    If this is a better team…we’re down by 7-10. This bodes well for us when it comes to the hunt for the #8 spot. Sigh.

  89. Z

    The best thing to happen to the Knicks was when Jennings hit that shot… Now he thinks he’ll never miss again.

  90. Brian Cronin

    Groin pull again. I’m sorry. I think He is having fitness issues.

    Are groin pulls really signs of a guy not being in good shape? I think they’re just bad luck. I could be wrong, though.

  91. Z

    ruruland:
    Looks like Melo is in locker room. This is unbelievable.

    Yeah, but once again, no Melo, No Amar’e, and the Knicks play their best ball. They’ve looked really good this quarter (even JR :)

  92. Will the Thrill

    This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard all day. If Baron is good today, then Lin is God most other days.

    Juany8: Baron Davis has been the Knick’s best player tonight.

  93. ruruland

    Frank O.:
    Wow. Baron 7 TOs and 4 assists.
    Not sure Lin ever had this bad a night

    Numbers aren’t telling whole story with much of this team right now.

    Lin’s had a few worse recently, actually.

    Baron is clearly a better passer. But he’s not a pnr player like Lin, so it’s more difficult to create a flowing offense when BD freestyles. It’s a nice contrast to have, overall.

  94. taggart4800

    Jennings making a few 4th Q buckets early is a blessing in disguise. Will now think he has the hot hand and jack up some awful shots. Bold I know but I think it saves us.

  95. johnlocke

    He had the Miami game…but that was against Miami and he was double and triple teamed…who is doubling baron? Unlike fields what is so frustrating is that he is really good but just makes dumb plays

    Frank O.:
    Wow. Baron 7 TOs and 4 assists.
    Not sure Lin ever had this bad a night

  96. Frank O.

    ruruland: I don’t understand what that means.

    He can’t elevate as he has in the past. He can’t finish at the glass like he has in the past. His shot is inconsistent. Groin stuff happens a lot from fatigue.
    It seems to me he has some leg fitness/fatigue issues. You mentioned he has metabolism issues. A truncated season. I just wonder.

  97. art vandelay

    Z: Yeah, but once again, no Melo, No Amar’e, and the Knicks play their best ball. They’ve looked really good this quarter (even JR :)

    You call this game their best ball overall? They have looked MUCH better than this even in recent games with both of those two in the lineup…this game has been utterly dreadful…they have won it (so far) on the glass and at the line.

  98. Brian Cronin

    I remember when David Lee used to do this a lot, has the ball ever gone in when an offensive player just tips the ball in the air by the basket?

  99. Frank O.

    ruruland: Numbers aren’t telling whole story with much of this team right now.

    Lin’s had a few worse recently, actually.

    Baron is clearly a better passer. But he’s not a pnr player like Lin, so it’s more difficult to create a flowing offense when BD freestyles. It’s a nice contrast to have, overall.

    Baron now has eight of the team’s 20 TOs and 3 of 12 from the field…and this isn’t Miami

  100. ephus

    Baron Davis is so tired that he cannot get back down the court to stop Jennings on the delayed break.

  101. SSS

    Can Woodson call a 20-minute time out? That, along with the addition of an MTV-inspired 10-pt half-court shooting line, are rule changes I’d like implemented this offseason.

  102. ruruland

    Frank O.: He can’t elevate as he has in the past. He can’t finish at the glass like he has in the past. His shot is inconsistent. Groin stuff happens a lot from fatigue.
    It seems to me he has some leg fitness/fatigue issues. You mentioned he has metabolism issues. A truncated season. I just wonder.

    It’s probably a combination of a few things.

  103. villainx

    I want to complain that Baron is taking some awful shots, but given the context, I should hold off?

  104. ephus

    Even though the Knicks got the stop on the last Bucks’ possession, Davis is so winded that he could not (or at least did not) get down into a defensive position. Thankfully, JR Smith d’ed up nicely at the top of the key.

  105. Brian Cronin

    Davis was playing fine until he got really tired these last few minutes. The Bucks are a good defensive team. I wouldn’t say he was impressive or anything, but he wasn’t awful.

  106. Will the Thrill

    He is literally dribbling the ball in one spot until he has to shoot to beat the shot clock

  107. Juany8

    The Knicks look exhausted in general. This is their 5th game in 7 nights. That is ridiculous for anyone, when you add in significant injuries this kind of game isn’t that surprising. At least Melo looked pretty good and it looks like they’ll pull out the win.

  108. Z

    art vandelay: You call this game their best ball overall? They have looked MUCH better than this even in recent games with both of those two in the lineup…this game has been utterly dreadful…they have won it (so far) on the glass and at the line.

    Haha, no, I said this quarter. (And they did open up a nice lead when Carmelo was on the bench. Not that I’m saying I want Carmelo to be hurt indefinitely, too. The linning streak with Carmelo and Amar’e both out is still fresh in my head, and I was reminded of it when the “scrubs” opened this game up)

  109. ruruland

    Z: Yeah, but once again, no Melo, No Amar’e, and the Knicks play their best ball. They’ve looked really good this quarter (even JR :)

    That’s truly a laughable take.

  110. SSS

    Wow, I know he’s tired and all, but…9 turnovers is a lot.

    And Shump Shump really does have a nice shooting form. Let’s hope he can harness it as he matures.

  111. Nick C.

    I guess Davis should get some credit for the crappy numbers by Jennings. As I type a sloppy pass for his 9th turnover.

  112. Frank O.

    The only reason we aren’t getting destroyed is because Ellis and Jennings, two favorites of certain folks on this board, have been horrid.
    If they shoot even a little better, this is a blow out. And some of the stuff they’re missing are wide open looks.

  113. ruruland

    Knicks starting to figure out how to space the Melo post-up/iso….

    You can almost always get a good shot out of it.

  114. Frank O.

    Anthony doesn’t have a groin, but he’s got balls playing with it. I’ll give him that.

  115. Z

    ruruland: That’s truly a laughable take.

    Funnier than the “JR Smith showing his All-star talents this game” take?

    (I will give Carmelo credit– he is obviouly playing hurt, and pulled groins aren’t easy to play through)

  116. d-mar

    Frank O.: The only reason we aren’t getting destroyed is because Ellis and Jennings, two favorites of certain folks on this board, have been horrid.If they shoot even a little better, this is a blow out. And some of the stuff they’re missing are wide open looks.

    Sucks to be them

  117. ruruland

    Frank O.:
    The only reason we aren’t getting destroyed is because Ellis and Jennings, two favorites of certain folks on this board, have been horrid.
    If they shoot even a little better, this is a blow out. And some of the stuff they’re missing are wide open looks.

    Who cares? Knicks have missed plenty of open shots, too. Baron’s not accustomed to playing these minutes, Lin’s out, Melo’s 70%…..

    Winning games of attrition is actually a good thing.

  118. ruruland

    Z: Funnier than the “JR Smith showing his All-star talents this game” take?

    That wasn’t what I said, was it?

  119. Juany8

    ruruland:
    Knicks starting to figure out how to space the Melo post-up/iso….

    You can almost always get a good shot out of it.

    Lol unless Carmelo is the only guy that can shoot on the floor. I’m starting to wonder if some of these guys will ever be able to shoot, Amar’e gave me hope with his return to form but then….

  120. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, come on, this is an awesome win. Ugly? Sure, but this is a major victory. Putting them up by over two games over the team trailing them in the playoff race? Yoooooge win.

  121. d-mar

    Been flipping to the Bulls-Nuggets game, man, the Bulls have some crappy offensive players when Rose is out. It’s amazing they win as much as they do.

  122. johnlocke

    Agreed ruru made a great pt that JR playing like a demon on d despite his poor shooting…which is much more mature than his previous incarnations in Denver and NO

    ruruland: That wasn’t what I said, was it?

  123. Mulligan

    Brian Cronin:
    Yeah, no one here actually likes Ellis or Jennings, right?

    I think some of us wish Jennings had been picked instead of Hill (although really Lawson instead of either)… but nobody wants ellis. Imagine a team with Ellis, Stat and Melo? Oh lord..

  124. jon abbey

    gritty play by Melo coming back in and gutting out the stretch in a big game where we needed him. he still didn’t look right pre-groin, but definitely props for coming back in and helping.

    and SHUMP SHUMP!

  125. Frank O.

    ruruland: It’s probably a combination of a few things.

    And at this stage this a buildup on game for him…unless that groin stiffens as it likely will in the morning.mwouldn’t be surprised if he needs to miss a few games.

  126. Juany8

    Brian Cronin:
    Yeah, no one here actually likes Ellis or Jennings, right?

    I mean I’m not a huge fan but I think he could fit in nicely in a Jason Terry role somewhere. The Bucks haven’t known what to do on offense in a while, and giving it to Dunleavy leads to turnovers unless the other team isn’t paying attention.

  127. ruruland

    Juany8: Lol unless Carmelo is the only guy that can shoot on the floor. I’m starting to wonder if some of these guys will ever be able to shoot, Amar’e gave me hope with his return to form but then….

    Novak, JR and Diddy can space it just fine. Maybe Shump will shoot close to average from here on out.

  128. villainx

    I hate it when the announcers, Breen specifically, says, “That will do it.” Multiple times.

  129. Frank O.

    ruruland: Who cares? Knicks have missed plenty of open shots, too. Baron’s not accustomed to playing these minutes, Lin’s out, Melo’s 70%…..

    Winning games of attrition is actually a good thing.

    Heh. I cared enough to make the observation. So yeah, I care. It’s part of winning ugly. I’m comfortable with saying that. No apologies.

  130. Z

    jon abbey:
    gritty play by Melo coming back in and gutting out the stretch in a big game where we needed him. he still didn’t look right pre-groin, but definitely props for coming back in and helping.

    Agreed. Gritty. Made me like him a lot more than if he’d have scored 40 on 30.

  131. ruruland

    Frank O.: And at this stage this a buildup on game for him…unless that groin stiffens as it likely will in the morning.mwouldn’t be surprised if he needs to miss a few games.

    It’s unbelievable. It’s just a tweak. Hoping he can build off of it and stay on the floor, but man, can’t catch a break this year.

  132. jon abbey

    Baron +15 on the night, some of his turnovers were painful but not all were his fault, and his passes also led to a bunch of FTs.

  133. Brian Cronin

    I mean I’m not a huge fan but I think he could fit in nicely in a Jason Terry role somewhere.

    Terry was never as bad as either Ellis or Jennings, though, but yeah, I guess if they devoted themselves to the role like Jamal Crawford did that one year in Atlanta they could be useful players.

  134. Frank O.

    Brian Cronin:
    Yeah, no one here actually likes Ellis or Jennings, right?

    Some over the years wanted the Knicks to draft Jennings and some who have called for the Knicks to try and get Ellis.

  135. Brian Cronin

    I was happy about Hahn’s tweet that showed that Woodson might actually play Toney. I was, like, “Wow, Woodson is not going to play the veteran he loves?” And then, of course, that didn’t happen. Come on, Toney will likely suck, but for a couple of minutes, it would have been worth giving him a look see.

  136. ruruland

    You win a game with 23 turnovers, 35% shooting, 22% from 3, and 3.5 of your top players injured…….

    That’s guts. All the loose balls and offensive rebounds the difference.

  137. art vandelay

    Frank O.:
    The only reason we aren’t getting destroyed is because Ellis and Jennings, two favorites of certain folks on this board, have been horrid.
    If they shoot even a little better, this is a blow out. And some of the stuff they’re missing are wide open looks.

    Yes, and how many times this season could we have said this about our beloved Knicks….if only we didn’t shoot 4 for 23 on wide open threes….and if only Melo had not missed 75% of his open mid-range jumpers.

  138. ephus

    I’m glad that the Knicks left it all on the floor to pull out that win. Even if they come up empty against Orlando, this game was worth it. As others have commented, Smith showed a lot by contributing despite his shooting woes. Shumpert bounced back from some bad decisions to hit two key three pointers.

    As goofy as it sounds, I think that the Jorts foul on Dunleavy knocked him out of his shooting groove. After the foul, I do not think he made another shot, including missing two free throws.

    If ‘Melo is going to be less than full strength, they really need Lin and Smith to carry the offense in the next few games.

  139. johnlocke

    They have a relatively easy schedule and they win close games

    d-mar:
    Been flipping to the Bulls-Nuggets game, man, the Bulls have some crappy offensive players when Rose is out. It’s amazing they win as much as they do.

  140. art vandelay

    jon abbey: no way we’ll still be there 7 games from now, but nice at least temporarily.

    hah….we won’t even be there in 48 hours (and maybe not again this season)…..sad that every time we get to .500 we can’t get over the hump!

  141. Z

    johnlocke:
    Agreed ruru made a great pt that JR playing like a demon on d despite his poor shooting…which is much more mature than his previous incarnations in Denver and NO

    Yeah, but saying it with the hyperbole of “Smith being an All Star” is funny, especially when Smith played a horrible 1st half, had 4 turnovers, and was 0-8 at the time.

  142. hotdamn

    Thank you Brian. I fully think Toney Douglas is a better options to spell Baron than Bibby is.

  143. Frank O.

    ruruland: It’s unbelievable. It’s just a tweak. Hoping he can build off of it and stay on the floor, but man, can’t catch a break this year.

    I’ve played before with tweaks in both groins. You can play, but there are certain things going sidentomside and over extending that simply can’t happen. I bet we see Chandler, Jorts and Fields in the front court wednesday to start. better to treat and rest now, rather than make it worse and potentially have it linger into the playoffs…

  144. Z

    ruruland:
    You win a game with 23 turnovers, 35% shooting, 22% from 3, and 3.5 of your top players injured…….

    That’s guts. All the loose balls and offensive rebounds the difference.

    I do agree. It was an old-school New York win. Gotta take care of business at home, and they did. (I actually found that game rather entertaining too, for some strange reason…). Great win.

  145. Frank O.

    art vandelay: Yes, and how many times this season could we have said this about our beloved Knicks….if only we didn’t shoot 4 for 23 on wide open threes….and if only Melo had not missed 75% of his open mid-range jumpers.

    Geez folks, it was a friggin’ accurate observation. If it was inaccurate, fine, attack away. Bottom line, what I wrote was an accurate observation. Lol

  146. ruruland

    Z: Yeah, but saying it with the hyperbole of “Smith being an All Star” is funny, especially when Smith played a horrible 1st half, had 4 turnovers, and was 0-8 at the time.

    I said all-star talent. He’s not playing as an all-star now, clearly, but when he combines his typical offensive game with the things he’s doing now attacking the glass and defending at an elite level, he can have top 5-10 impact at the SG position in the league.

  147. Frank O.

    ruruland:
    You win a game with 23 turnovers, 35% shooting, 22% from 3, and 3.5 of your top players injured…….

    That’s guts. All the loose balls and offensive rebounds the difference.

    And a friggin’ boat load of luck. I’d rather be lucky, however…lol

  148. ruruland

    Z: Yeah, but saying it with the hyperbole of “Smith being an All Star” is funny, especially when Smith played a horrible 1st half, had 4 turnovers, and was 0-8 at the time.

    But Z, I understand where you’re coming from.

  149. ruruland

    Frank O.: And a friggin’ boat load of luck. I’d rather be lucky, however…lol

    I made the argument a few weeks ago that the Knicks were on the wrong end of some really good shooting performances that masked their true defensive performance. Luck’s been on the Knicks’ opponent side most of the year….Moreover, you grind and grind on both ends, team typically don’t shoot as they normally do. Don’t have the same legs for it. Bucks had to work for their good looks. And their were a lot of hustle plays all over the floor, everything was tough.. typically that leads to poor shooting.

  150. Bruno Almeida

    ruruland:
    You win a game with 23 turnovers, 35% shooting, 22% from 3, and 3.5 of your top players injured…….

    That’s guts. All the loose balls and offensive rebounds the difference.

    the same “guts” that weren’t there for some players when they wanted D’Antoni fired…

  151. rohank

    Damn. This game was U-G-L-Y

    Always fun to see the Knicks win. My favorite part was when the crowd cheered for Chandler’s effort on the offensive glass.

  152. ruruland

    Bruno Almeida: the same “guts” that weren’t there for some players when they wanted D’Antoni fired…

    Good thing. There’s a reason MDA’s teams have never been known to win these kinds of games. Never.

  153. ruruland

    Frank O.: Which is horrid even for such low percentage shooters

    True, but throw in Dunleavy’s game and you have an 18-50 (with a respectable TS%)…

    It came close to evening out. The Knicks shot down Ilyasova and Gooden. Thanks to Melo, Chandler and co.

  154. The Infamous Cdiggy

    way to grind out an ugly one. given how Milwaukee has owned us, you def gotta take the win anyway you get it.

  155. ruruland

    It also needs to be noted that Skiles opted to play Mbah a Moute over Ilyasova because the latter had no chance guarding Melo at the 4. That turned out to be a big factor.

  156. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    Mulligan:
    .500!

    you know what i think if melo can work out that kink in his groin and have half the game he had today we might be able to win the next game. chandler can go one on one with Howard, and everybody else just needs to stick there man. of course Jorts wont have a good game but i know he can guard big baby. Novak, on Ryan Anderson cancel out, Shumpert on Reddick cancel out, and Lin will take care of himself offensively against Jameer Nelson. i think is totally winnable.

  157. jon abbey

    Bruno Almeida: the same “guts” that weren’t there for some players when they wanted D’Antoni fired…

    the same fight that wasn’t there in D’Antoni in recent months, Woodson goes offense/defense at the end of quarters when it’s appropriate, he calls timeouts when his guys are gassed. I just feel better in every way with him running things, he wants to win more than D’Antoni did (Q: how do I know this? A: it’s really freaking obvious).

    D’Antoni quit on this team way before Melo did.

  158. JC Knickfan

    Thank you Buck for choosing a night to stink it up. Knicks rebound very well tonight, but I’m wasn’t really that impressed with Knicks man-man defense. Both Ellis and Jennings got rim, but man they just could not finish and again thank you. Wow, Novak 2-4 at Free throw line, ouch. Would have been 32-35 for 0.914% if he hit all his FT.

    I think we can agree BD is not good shape and just as TO-prone actually little more then Lin. If their argument who should start, I think it’s obvious.

    Melo was limping at end of game, not good. Jlin might get change be #1 scoring option again Wednesday and let see if he can shine again. No JJ or Amare though.

  159. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    rohank:
    Damn. This game was U-G-L-Y

    Always fun to see the Knicks win. My favorite part was when the crowd cheered for Chandler’s effort on the offensive glass.

    i think the Detroit game was way uglier. i think it was high octane and tired players not two mediocre teams playing. i thoroughly enjoyed this game; it was tough gritty defense, with the occasional showtime for the highlight real.

  160. limpidgimp

    ruruland: True, but throw in Dunleavy’s game and you have an 18-50 (with a respectable TS%)…

    It came close to evening out. The Knicks shot down Ilyasova and Gooden. Thanks to Melo, Chandler and co.

    Ilyasova only played 19 min bc he racked up 4 fouls mostly guarding Melo.

  161. jon abbey

    JC Knickfan:

    I think we can agree BD is not good shape and just as TO-prone actually little more then Lin. If their argument who should start, I think it’s obvious.

    me too, Baron should start and play maybe 22 minutes and Lin should play 26 including crunch time.

  162. Z

    Who WAS guarding Dunleavy in the first half? (I don’t remember there being one single culprit, but rather a whole team of them, but maybe I’m wrong… Is there a way to see who he was matched up against during that run?)

  163. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    jon abbey: the same fight that wasn’t there in D’Antoni in recent months, Woodson goes offense/defense at the end of quarters when it’s appropriate, he calls timeouts when his guys are gassed. I just feel better in every way with him running things, he wants to win more than D’Antoni did (Q: how do I know this? A: it’s really freaking obvious).

    D’Antoni quit on this team way before Melo did.

    i just think Pringles was too hardheaded and wanted to win his way. Woodson is doing whatever he can to keep his boys in the game and they are responding. these are the main reason i like Woodson better

  164. johnlocke

    Also MDAs passive aggressive style and not holding EVERYONE equally accountable was huge part of downfall. Always annoyed me that he would only yell at shump…and that one time at fields in Washington…but never at anyone else. I’m sure he wanted to win but his style did not fit the team

    jon abbey: the same fight that wasn’t there in D’Antoni in recent months, Woodson goes offense/defense at the end of quarters when it’s appropriate, he calls timeouts when his guys are gassed. I just feel better in every way with him running things, he wants to win more than D’Antoni did (Q: how do I know this? A: it’s really freaking obvious).

    D’Antoni quit on this team way before Melo did.

  165. er

    I think Landry and novak

    Z:
    Who WAS guarding Dunleavy in the first half? (I don’t remember there being one single culprit, but rather a whole team of them, but maybe I’m wrong… Is there a way to see who he was matched up against during that run?)

  166. JC Knickfan

    Other thing that was big was getting 3rd foul Mike Dunleavy in 2nd and forcing him to sit. Also like thank coach for sitting him good portion of 3 QT because he was 1-5 in 2nd half versus 9-10 first half.

  167. johnlocke

    Even if you could the help d was a big offender and nit communicating on switches

    Z:
    Who WAS guarding Dunleavy in the first half? (I don’t remember there being one single culprit, but rather a whole team of them, but maybe I’m wrong… Is there a way to see who he was matched up against during that run?)

  168. ruruland

    er:
    I think Landry and novak

    Shump and JR, some Fields and Novak. Melo on the 4pt play. Melo locked him up on the two critical possessions at the end of the game.

  169. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    jon abbey: me too, Baron should start and play maybe 22 minutes and Lin should play 26 including crunch time.

    i agree totally i think baron and melo have better chemistry. we all know Lin has better chemistry with the 2nd unit. on target abbey

  170. ruruland

    jon abbey: the same fight that wasn’t there in D’Antoni in recent months, Woodson goes offense/defense at the end of quarters when it’s appropriate, he calls timeouts when his guys are gassed. I just feel better in every way with him running things, he wants to win more than D’Antoni did (Q: how do I know this? A: it’s really freaking obvious).

    D’Antoni quit on this team way before Melo did.

    Thank you. Two way street.

    Woodson’s a real coach.

  171. Bruno Almeida

    ruruland: Good thing. There’s a reason MDA’s teams have never been known to win these kinds of games. Never.

    well, it might be MDA’s problem, but I seriously doubt it.

  172. jon abbey

    LMNYKFAN4LIFE: i agree totally i think baron and melo have better chemistry. we all know Lin has better chemistry with the 2nd unit. on target abbey

    also, Baron is a better defender to start the game. it was so nice tonight for once to not see both of our starting guards overmatched defensively in the first quarter.

    and I think Lin can wreak havoc off the bench because it’s much harder to game plan to stop a bench guy as opposed to a starter, since you don’t know beforehand what the lineups will be when the bench guy comes in.

  173. ruruland

    limpidgimp: Ilyasova only played 19 min bc he racked up 4 fouls mostly guarding Melo.

    He was pulled with 8 minutes left in fourth. Mbah Moute a much better defender. I’ve always felt Melo could do a lot of damage as a 4. There’s not a 4 in the league who can guard him, and when he’s focused he can bang and rebound with any of them. In the past he’s done a real good job on Bosh, even Nowitzki.

  174. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    Novak needs to watch film on Dunleavy and learn to patent his non ball movement. if he does that he will be unstoppable. wow can u imagine novak skill with Dunleavy’s brain. smh dangerous

  175. Juany8

    Wait people are still questioning if firing D’Antoni was the right move when the Knicks beat the Bucks without 3 of their best 5 players (Lin, Amar’e, and Jeffries). Seriously, injuries aren’t excuses for laying down and losing, but they do tend to force teams to win ugly, especially when one of the injuries results in Mike Bibby playing.

  176. ruruland

    Bruno Almeida: well, it might be MDA’s problem, but I seriously doubt it.

    Why?

    You don’t think players respond when a coach tries to incorporate their talents on offense? You don’t think players respond when a coach teaches and preaches defense, and holds players accountable for mistakes?

    Again, MDA’s teams would typically lose these kinds of games, and not just because he lacked an attention to detail.

  177. ruruland

    LMNYKFAN4LIFE:
    Novak needs to watch film on Dunleavy and learn to patent his non ball movement. if he does that he will be unstoppable. wow can u imagine novak skill with Dunleavy’s brain. smh dangerous

    He can’t dribble and he’s very slow. Yet to see him take a shot in the paint this year, never dribbled more than once or twice for a pull-up. THat’s why he’s never been able to crack a rotation.

  178. art vandelay

    jon abbey:
    hard to believe this team is 7-1 in their last 8, it certainly doesn’t feel like that.

    yes, good observation….either that toronto loss just sapped all the positive vibes away, or the negative injury news, or linsanity fatigue, or just NYC doesn’t care due to tebowmania at the moment.

  179. JC Knickfan

    jon abbey: me too, Baron should start and play maybe 22 minutes and Lin should play 26 including crunch time.

    If Lin is hot and playing TO free I go 32/34-16/14 for Lin. If playing careless I would even it split down middle 24/24. I’m happy with PG situation, it would be nice BD get in better shape before the Playoffs.

    I think time get rid off one PG guard get another defensive PF free agent. Maybe Marcus Lewis who 12.7 reb per game in D-league. With JJ and Amare out we seem thin on PF.

  180. d-mar

    jon abbey: the same fight that wasn’t there in D’Antoni in recent months, Woodson goes offense/defense at the end of quarters when it’s appropriate, he calls timeouts when his guys are gassed. I just feel better in every way with him running things, he wants to win more than D’Antoni did (Q: how do I know this? A: it’s really freaking obvious).

    D’Antoni quit on this team way before Melo did.

    I always liked D’Antoni and supported him, but you are right on the money. He was too laid back, paid no attention to detail and always seemed to be reacting to other coaches’ moves than vice versa. Woodson seems like he’s actually coaching.

  181. Z

    LMNYKFAN4LIFE:
    Novak needs to watch film on Dunleavy and learn to patent his non ball movement. if he does that he will be unstoppable. wow can u imagine novak skill with Dunleavy’s brain. smh dangerous

    Huh? Novak’s brain isn’t holding him back, his skill is. All he can do is shoot 3 pointers. Dunleavy can dribble, drive, and do a lot of things Novak wouldn’t (and shouldn’t) ever try to to do.

  182. art vandelay

    Lin may get to be the #1 scoring option once again after all…won’t be able to put up linsanity-like numbers now, though, with all the scouting reports out on him.

  183. Bruno Almeida

    ruruland: Why?

    You don’t think players respond when a coach tries to incorporate their talents on offense? You don’t think players respond when a coach teaches and preaches defense, and holds players accountable for mistakes?

    Again, MDA’s teams would typically lose these kinds of games, and not just because he lacked an attention to detail.

    have you watched Woodson’s Atlanta teams?

    players do respond to the aforementioned things, I just don’t think Woodson has proven in his career that he can do it consistently.

    he never got Josh Smith to fully buy into his system, Horford was always underutilized and Johnson was given free reign of the offense while playing little to no defense and shooting pretty inefficiently…

    why should I believe everything’s changed with a small sample size, when there’s a much larger sample size that shows I should be worried about it?

  184. daJudge

    This was a great, great win. The Knicks shot poorly but won and won ugly. Plenty of excellent defensive plays, altered shots and good free throw shooting. The turnovers were tough to take, but whatever. Huge win by this Team. With Lin coming back we should be OK even w/o Amare, who is done for a long while. If JJ gets back, that would surely help. It’s gotta be balls out D at this point. At this point of the season and into the playoffs, that is what we need.

  185. JC Knickfan

    ruruland: He can’t dribble and he’s very slow. Yet to see him take a shot in the paint this year, never dribbled more than once or twice for a pull-up. THat’s why he’s never been able to crack a rotation.

    If Novak going out, there Woodson got run some double screen play for him. Otherwise, he I see him defensive Liability. Or run penetration kick out to him because see some free brief moment he is open because his guy comes back in for rebound position.

  186. jon abbey

    KenB:
    Melo, “we down 2 soldiers”.… is JJ not a soldier?

    maybe it’s that Lin is just day-to-day, or that Jeffries was out before this, so not a new injury.

  187. d-mar

    Bruno Almeida: have you watched Woodson’s Atlanta teams?

    players do respond to the aforementioned things, I just don’t think Woodson has proven in his career that he can do it consistently.

    he never got Josh Smith to fully buy into his system, Horford was always underutilized and Johnson was given free reign of the offense while playing little to no defense and shooting pretty inefficiently…

    why should I believe everything’s changed with a small sample size, when there’s a much larger sample size that shows I should be worried about it?

    I don’t think anyone is saying Woodson is the second coming of Greg Popovich, just that he’s a refreshing change from a coach who just didn’t seem to be able to motivate anyone and who always seemed to be outcoached by the opposition.

  188. janai7676

    JC Knickfan: If Novak going out, there Woodson got run some double screen play for him. Otherwise, he I see him defensive Liability. Or run penetration kick out to him because see some free brief moment he is open because his guy comes back in for rebound position.

    Teams are also paying more attention to Novak now. It’s clear that when he’s in there he needs to play with Davis or Lin. Without a penetrating playmaker on the court he’ll be more of a liability. I do appreciate that he puts effort into the defensive side but even with the effort he a less than average defender.

  189. Bruno Almeida

    d-mar: I don’t think anyone is saying Woodson is the second coming of Greg Popovich, just that he’s a refreshing change from a coach who just didn’t seem to be able to motivate anyone and who always seemed to be outcoached by the opposition.

    I agree, I just don’t think we can credit Woodson for “changing the culture” or for “incorporating the talent, preaching defense and holding people accountable” because it’s too early, they barely had practice time.

    I’ve seen that movie one too many times to believe so quickly in these type of changes.

    anyway, I hope I’m terribly wrong and we win a title with Woodson.

  190. janai7676

    JK47:
    Jennings and Ellis also had 9 turnovers to go with their combined .251 TS%.

    Good D or bad shooting night? Little of both maybe?

  191. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    Z: Huh? Novak’s brain isn’t holding him back, his skill is. All he can do is shoot 3 pointers. Dunleavy can dribble, drive, and do a lot of things Novak wouldn’t (and shouldn’t) ever try to to do.

    just saying if he knew how to set himself like Dunleavy without the ball he would be dangerous. look at the game everything was off screens not one shot (not counting drives) were spot up shots

  192. Frank O.

    jon abbey: the same fight that wasn’t there in D’Antoni in recent months, Woodson goes offense/defense at the end of quarters when it’s appropriate, he calls timeouts when his guys are gassed. I just feel better in every way with him running things, he wants to win more than D’Antoni did (Q: how do I know this? A: it’s really freaking obvious).

    D’Antoni quit on this team way before Melo did.

    I hate to say it, but I’m beginning to think you are right about some of this. I’m not sure I would say he quit early, but I do think his style of coaching and leadership works only when you have a strong field general who is your guy running things. In Melo he did not have that guy, and he knew Lin did not have the portfolio to impose it. He quit at the point he realized it wouldn’t work…and actually I think that is to his credit. What he did was a pretty mature thing. He didn’t hang around like some other coaches who weren’t working did.

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