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Thursday, October 23, 2014

2012 Game Thread: New York v. Cleveland

The second half begins tonight! The Knicks have astonishingly lost 12 of their last 13 games against Cleveland (what the heck, right? I mean, with Lebron it made sense, but they’ve played them at least five times since he left) so it would be nice to beat them tonight.

Josh Harrelson and Iman Shumpert are supposedly going to play tonight, so tonight will be the first time that the Knicks’ 11 best players are all healthy. Should be interesting. Will D’Antoni actually play 11 guys?

Plus, of course, there is the whole Lin versus Irving match-up.

Anyhow, here’s a thread to discuss tonight’s game!

357 comments on “2012 Game Thread: New York v. Cleveland

  1. jon abbey

    I’ve said it already twice, but this is a relatively big game for NY. Cleveland played last night, NY is home, this is the kind of team they need to start beating right now if they’re going to make any noise this year.

  2. d-mar

    The era of no excuses begins tonight, beat the teams you’re supposed to beat, and better yet, in convincing fashion.

  3. danvt

    I have read nothing to convince me that coach needs to go, that Melo is a ball stopper, that Amar’e / Melo can’t work, That J Lin will be an all star, that J Lin is all hype, that this team can contend, that this team will inevitably fail. The jury is out, people.

    The one thing I know is that we finally have a true test. Everyone is healthy, we have a center, we have our PG, we have a bench. Amar’e and Melo can be aggressive on defense because we have shown we can score and win without them.

    This is it. The time has drawn nigh. The referendum on the Knicks is upon us. We have the squad, maybe not a championship one but a potentially quite good one. We need to beat mediocre teams and compete with good ones. We need to make the playoffs and play well once we get there.

    I won’t jump to conclusions based on a loss here or a win there. We will lose to a bad team on occasion and beat a good one to make up for it. Overall, though, after three and a half, mostly painful seasons of austerity measures and new investment we finally get to see our beloved club make an honest go of it.

    Let’s go NY.

  4. Mulligan

    Also, do Bernard King and Eric Gordon play D&D together? Kind of amazing that two dynamic scorers (especially Bernard) come across as such dorks when they open their mouths.

  5. ruruland

    Mulligan:
    Also, do Bernard King and Eric Gordon play D&D together? Kind of amazing that two dynamic scorers (especially Bernard) come across as such dorks when they open their mouths.

    as much as I understand NY’s love for Clyde, I don’t quite get his appeal as a color guy.

    Even outside of his overworn schtick I’m talking about his observations and the level of his analysis.

  6. ruruland

    danvt:
    I have read nothing to convince me that coach needs to go, that Melo is a ball stopper, that Amar’e / Melo can’t work, That J Lin will be an all star, that J Lin is all hype, that this team can contend, that this team will inevitably fail.The jury is out, people.

    The one thing I know is that we finally have a true test.Everyone is healthy,we have a center, we have our PG, we have a bench.Amar’e and Melo can be aggressive on defense because we have shown we can score and win without them.

    This is it.The time has drawn nigh.The referendum on the Knicks is upon us.We have the squad, maybe not a championship one but a potentially quite good one.We need to beat mediocre teams and compete with good ones.We need to make the playoffs and play well once we get there.

    I won’t jump to conclusions based on a loss here or a win there.We will lose to a bad team on occasion and beat a good one to make up for it.Overall, though, after three and a half, mostly painful seasons of austerity measures and new investment we finally get to see our beloved club make an honest go of it.

    Let’s go NY.

    Hyped for this, man. Totally agreed.

  7. art vandelay

    I think Bernand seems like a really congenial, nice fellow, but his description of Kyrie Irving and his game during pre-game was about generic and non-descript as possible….could have been said for just about any above average PG in the league…fill in the blank and his description fit.

  8. Mulligan

    ruruland: as much as I understand NY’s love for Clyde, I don’t quite get his appeal as a color guy.

    Even outside of his overworn schtick I’m talking about his observations and the level of his analysis.

    I like clyde because he seems like another New York eccentric. I think it’s up to the straight man (Breen, Marv Albert, Spiro) to come up with the analysis.

  9. Will the Thrill

    What happened to Lin doing pick and rolls and driving? We’ve been doing so many isolations already.

  10. Mulligan

    Brian Cronin:
    Hey, how about make your free throws?

    This has been going on for weeks. I sort of date it to when Lin came on the scene, but maybe it started before that? What would explain it?

  11. DRed

    It’s almost like this team got worse after adding superstar Amare Stoudemire back to the starting lineup.

  12. Brian Cronin

    So if Harrelson gets into the game, D’Antoni will have played 11 guys tonight (unless he benches Davis). Amazing for him.

    EDITED TO ADD: That’s provided he doesn’t bench Novak. My bad.

  13. Brian Cronin

    Earl, why you passing up that 3 so Shump can chuck one?

    It was a wide open three. Yeah, it is tough that Shump can’t hit threes, but he’ll theoretically eventually be able to make them, right?

  14. ruruland

    Will the Thrill:
    There were 3 or 4 isolations in the first 5 minutes, way more than there have been on this team of late.

    They are blitzing Lin PnR which has set up great opportunities.

    Offense gets a fantastic grade early for looks. Shots and free throws haven’t dropped yet. Defensively some issues with Lin and Irvin however.

    The “iso’s” have come after the motion is run.

  15. Mulligan

    I’m waiting for Smith to break my heart, because he’s really endeared himself to me. So many players to like on this team. Melo and Stat aren’t even in my top 5.

  16. David Crockett

    D’Antoni is really going to have to lose his mind on these officials about allowing so much contact on Lin.

  17. Brian Cronin

    D’Antoni is really going to have to lose his mind on these officials about allowing so much contact on Lin.

    I don’t get it. Isn’t Lin a star now? Why do they let him get brutalized?

  18. limpidgimp

    I thought Lin looked fouled on that bank shot near the basket. Certainly he thought so given his gesture afterwards.

  19. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, if Shump isn’t going to play good defense, he really shouldn’t be in the game. I figure it must be lingering effects from his injury, because he is normally a lot better.

  20. David Crockett

    Ugly first quarter.
    Kinda low energy.
    Lotsa last year’s defense.
    What is it with Cleveland getting up in our asses (just like last season)?.

    Anyway, now that we got that horrible first quarter out of our system let’s play ball.

  21. formido

    Despite repeated comments deprecating Lin’s defense, the Knick’s defense gets much worse when Lin is out of the game.

  22. Will the Thrill

    Why is Amare being given the ball outside the 3 pt line again??? Don’t the players know better? Especially Amare

  23. TheXman

    Losing games like this, we don’t deserve to make the playoffs. Would be hilarious with all the magic from Linsanity all for naught. Hopefully the draft pick gets in the top 5, so we get to keep it.

  24. art vandelay

    If I could write a script for exactly how I did not want this game to go this would be it…resembles those early season games they lost to the likes of Milwaukee and Toronto at home in which we trailed the majority of the game/first half and were being outhustled.

  25. BigBlueAL

    I miss the days when shitty teams came into MSG and had no chance of keeping the game close let alone winning. Of course since those days were 2 decades ago I should be used to games like tonight by now.

  26. ruruland

    Brian Cronin:
    Great play by Melo. I’d love to see him go to the basket more.

    You can see how lethal he’s going to be attacking from the weakside.

    Amar’e is just a hair off. Cleveland is playing out of their minds right now.

  27. art vandelay

    Why do I feel like we are constantly typing, team x or player (opponent) y is playing out of his mind…linsanity sparked teams to want to kill us…they should expect this coming in and raise their intensity accordingly!!!

  28. BigBlueAL

    Offense has looked fine tonight, just missing wide-open shots and FT’s. Defense and rebounding though has been atrocious so far.

  29. hoolahoop

    One great thing about Lin is that he’s constantly learning. I think he’s already perfected the matador defense.

  30. TheXman

    BigBlueAL: tonight, just missing wide-open shots and FT’s. Defense and rebounding though has

    Put in Jeffries instead of Stat, that should fix it.

  31. ess-dog

    I’m starting to agree with Jon. Fields just looks too slow out there. I would give Shump and JR more time asap, especially against young athletic teams like the Cavs.

    Tristan Thompson looks beastly. Cavs have their 1 and 4 for the next 7 years.

  32. ruruland

    art vandelay:
    Why do I feel like we are constantly typing, team x or player (opponent) y is playing out of his mind…linsanity sparked teams to want to kill us…they should expect this coming in and raise their intensity accordingly!!!

    The problem right now which is abundantly clear is the guards breaking down the defense. Still, Cleveland playing very hard and shooting unbelievably well from outside. Combine it with a lot of missed jump shots and free throws from NY and you have 10 pt deficit.

    The explosion is coming at some point, however.

  33. Will the Thrill

    As bad as Amare has been, he definitely is not the only one to blame.

    TheXman: Put in Jeffries instead of Stat, that should fix it.

  34. Will the Thrill

    The explosion hasn’t come in 10 years.

    ruruland: The problem right now which is abundantly clear is the guards breaking down the defense. Still, Cleveland playing very hard and shooting unbelievably well from outside. Combine it with a lot of missed jump shots and free throws from NY and you have 10 pt deficit.

    The explosion is coming at some point, however.

  35. Brian Cronin

    I’m starting to agree with Jon. Fields just looks too slow out there. I would give Shump and JR more time asap, especially against young athletic teams like the Cavs.

    There are games when that might be true. Tonight is not that game. Shump and Smith came in and the Cavs increased their lead. They left the game and the Cavs increased their lead. In other words, the Cavs are just kicking the Knicks’ ass no matter who the Knicks send out there.

  36. Brian Cronin

    10 would have looked a lot better than 12. Still, 12 is doable. They can make up 12. Just hit, you know, a three. Plus, oh, I dunno, maybe MAKE FREE THROWS!

  37. hoolahoop

    MDA never stops yelling. How can you coach effectively if you’re constantly yelling at the refs or one of the rookies?

  38. hotdamn

    For once I agree with what Mike Breen said. STAT and Melo need to be more than “part-time defenders.” He hit the nail on the head.

  39. Doug

    hoolahoop:
    MDA never stops yelling. How can you coach effectively if you’re constantly yelling at the refs or one of the rookies?

    I think you’re reaching a little, my dear Hoop.

  40. DRed

    Amare has been incredibly awful tonight. One rebound? I know, the Cavs aren’t missing a lot, but still. That’s terrible.

  41. hoolahoop

    If the knicks lose this game I think you have to start looking at MDA for not putting the puzzle together.

  42. limpidgimp

    Amare has been nicely aggressive driving in, but his shooting movements look rigid and just plain scary.

  43. TheXman

    DRed: but I don’t think Lin gets calls in the paint.

    Remember that journal article in which white refs tended to be bias against black players? Just saying….

  44. Robert Silverman

    Brian Cronin:
    The Knicks are 0-6 from three and the Cavs are 6-11. A -18 on threes is a big deal. If they fix just that, they should win this game.

    The threes were wide open too. I’m very worried about this game. Teeth-gnashingly frustrating so far

  45. hoolahoop

    These are the pre-Lin knicks. No energy on both sides of the floor, confused offense, no cohesiveness.
    What up with dat?

  46. Nick C.

    Pretty stagnant looking on offense for the first twenty or so minutes. I think it was Fields who was slow when Gibson had those threes. Seemed like Cavs had a ton of offensive rebounds in the first. That being said for all I know the spread is mainly FT%.

  47. Degree_Absolute

    holy shit, Lin gets no calls whatsoever. No moving screen calls, nothing around the basketball. If I’m MDA I’m choking one of these point shaving zebras.

  48. ruruland

    hotdamn:
    For once I agree with what Mike Breen said. STAT and Melo need to be more than “part-time defenders.” He hit the nail on the head.

    That’s not the problem tonight by any means.

  49. JustDesert

    I don’t have a good eye for this, but do you guys see the Knicks running set plays? Cuz I don’t really. I’m just wondering if they focused on that during the recent practice days.

  50. ruruland

    Nick C.:
    Pretty stagnant looking on offense for the first twenty or so minutes. I think it was Fields who was slow when Gibson had those threes. Seemed like Cavs had a ton of offensive rebounds in the first. That being said for all I know the spread is mainly FT%.

    Stagnant offense? Are we watching the same game?

    Rebounds are byproduct of the penetration and overhelp.

  51. ruruland

    JustDesert:
    I don’t have a good eye for this, but do you guys see the Knicks running set plays? Cuz I don’t really. I’m just wondering if they focused on that during the recent practice days.

    Yeah, they have been. And they’ve worked very well just a few poor decisions and missed open shots (and fts)

  52. ruruland

    hoolahoop:
    These are the pre-Lin knicks. No energy on both sides of the floor, confused offense, no cohesiveness.
    What up with dat?

    Wow. I see a lot of energy. And the cohesiveness on offense has been very good.

  53. ruruland

    DRed: What’s the problem, ruru?

    Penetration by the guards, Sessions and Irving have had their way. That’s created the open shots both inside and out as well as the offensive rebounds.

  54. ruruland

    Degree_Absolute:
    holy shit, Lin gets no calls whatsoever. No moving screen calls, nothing around the basketball.If I’m MDA I’m choking one of these point shaving zebras.

    A few poor decisions by Lin tonight. his vision is a little limited. A couple of forced drives where he had open shooters. Needed to pass that ball to a wide open Melo at the end of the half.

  55. d-mar

    This is not the night to blame the defense of Melo and Amare, we’re getting killed on the perimeter. Landry and Lin are letting guards blow by them, and it’s leading to breakdowns of the defense and wide open 3 pointers or dunks.

  56. ruruland

    daJudge:
    Can someone please explain tonight’s particular game plan, defense and offense, against the Cavs?

    Offense has been very good.

    They’ve played straight up defense with the normal switching. I might start trapping out top and make Parker, Gibson etc al ballhandlers.

  57. hoolahoop

    ruruland: Wow. I see a lot of energy. And the cohesiveness on offense has been very good.

    I’m watching the knicks-cavs game. which one are you watching?

  58. d-mar

    And how come Lin doesn’t get the call when a help defender bumps him on the pick and roll? I know he still keeps the ball, but a foul is a foul, right?

  59. ruruland

    hoolahoop: I’m watching the knicks-cavs game. which one are you watching?

    Fields is a bad defender. He’s hurting the Knicks as much as Lin/Davis are (and Shump was earlier)

  60. Degree_Absolute

    ruruland: A few poor decisions by Lin tonight. his vision is a little limited. A couple of forced drives where he had open shooters. Needed to pass that ball to a wide open Melo at the end of the half.

    He is getting clobbered on both ends. Guy is bleeding almost every game.

  61. art vandelay

    team being badly beaten off the dribble by cavs, and fields looks awful, btw….they are getting into heart of our defense all the time and then dishing off

  62. jon abbey

    d-mar:
    Landry and Lin are letting guards blow by them, and it’s leading to breakdowns of the defense and wide open 3 pointers or dunks.

    did you see the way Shumpert picked up Lin when he got knocked down after scoring and CLE had a 5 on 4? Shump deflected the ball to the open 3 point shooter out of bounds and let NY reset and Lin get back. Shump Shump and Lin were getting some chemistry at the end of the 2nd quarter, I’d like to see them get a shot at starting backcourt.

    also, very lame to change my SHUMP SHUMP. games are four quarters long, I know it’s hard to remember.

  63. ruruland

    Degree_Absolute: He is getting clobbered on both ends.Guy is bleeding almost every game.

    I’m not doubting that. But he has great potential as an offensive orchestrator if he cuts down on the forced drives and kicks.

  64. ephus

    Let’s give Amar’e credit for picking up the lane cutter twice on that sequence, leading to the Cav turnover.

  65. Nick C.

    Holy shit!! If I was just reading the board I would think they were getting killed instead of going on a 10-2 run to close it to 4 with FTs pending.

  66. Nick C.

    That last play by Melo was great. He gets triple teamed and out of seeming disaster finds Novakaine for three.

  67. Lightning

    As a Raptors fan (a Lin fan as well), I have to say, the New York commentators are really, really good. A level above any of the Raptors commentators.

  68. Degree_Absolute

    ruruland: LMAO. This board is a riot.

    What else would you call that? Melo forced it into 3 defenders and you are complaining about Lin forcing drives.

  69. art vandelay

    I like how they updated the logo at center court…..let’s make it 1-0 since the new logo was installed!!!

  70. ruruland

    Degree_Absolute: What else would you call that?Melo forced it into 3 defenders and you are complaining about Lin forcing drives.

    Just can’t resist a dig when Melo is doing all of the things in this offense I told you he would.

  71. Degree_Absolute

    ruruland: Just can’t resist a dig when Melo is doing all of the things in this offense I told you he would.

    ?????

    You cannot possibly think that was a good decision.

    He is definitely playing well tonight, but that does not mean he is above reproach.

  72. kronicfatigue

    The defensive chemistry is really starting to show. It all starts with Chandler. You can’t slack on defense when you see him working so hard. Jr Smith, Jeffries, Shump….their tenacity is leading to turnovers and the quick outlets have been fantastic. Really puts pressure on the other team.

    Loved the garden groaning when melo was playing hero-ball. Blue collar town.

  73. DRed

    This is what I want to see out of Baron. Don’t really try to score, just pass. 7 assists in 13 minutes is ridiculous.

  74. d-mar

    TheXman:
    y do i enjoy watching the team withoutmelo or stat, LOOOOVE IT, MORE NOOVAAAAAK

    Can we just celebrate that the bench has been great without trashing the starters?

  75. Will the Thrill

    This reminds me of when the Knicks were on the “Lin-sanity” run of 7 straight. The bench is a great asset to have, but the starters really need to figure it out (mainly Amare).

  76. ruruland

    Degree_Absolute: ?????

    You cannot possibly think that was a good decision.

    He is definitely playing well tonight, but that does not mean he is above reproach.

    It’s a spin move that freed him into the lane, where yes, help defense arrived.

    Often that play will result in a foul.

    It’s a not drive in which you have passing vision however, given that you’re doing a 180. It’s different than a drive from the top of the key by Lin.

    TheXman:
    y do i enjoy watching the team withoutmelo or stat, LOOOOVE IT, MORE NOOVAAAAAK

    Jesus.

  77. ruruland

    jon abbey:
    48-23 and counting in the second half, Baron has 7 assists in 13 minutes.

    He looks great. Ideal system and role. Feeds off all the energ yhe’s surrounded by.

  78. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Is it me, or does it seem Baron has a lil chemistry with Jared J? I’ve noticed a few of Davis passes hitting him on key.

    Baron’s starting to wakeup, yall!

  79. rohank

    OHHHHHH! BARON TO JR!!!!!!!!!!

    Love Trimecca on the bench hooking arms like a college team, cheering on their teammates.

  80. massive

    DRed:
    This is what I want to see out of Baron.Don’t really try to score, just pass.7 assists in 13 minutes is ridiculous.

    I was just about to post this. The Knicks didn’t have one capable PG for most of the 1st half of the season, and now it appears we have two. What a turnaround from this team put together tonight on both ends tonight. Cleveland has been outscored scored 27 to 52 since the 1st half. Amazing.

  81. jon abbey

    Baron’s had at least a few other passes leading to foul shots, another fine assessment by our resident Cock.

  82. The Infamous Cdiggy

    How about that ovation for Jeffries and then Novak? Think the memo on appreciating Jeffries’ hustle has gotten around eh?

  83. jon abbey

    Shump Shump in with the other four starters to try to close this, let’s start the game that way from now on.

  84. ruruland

    ephus:
    Baron Davis looks as good in this game as he looked bad against Miami.

    There were signs this was going to happen. You can;t see that when make analysis just by made shot missed shot.

  85. art vandelay

    from what I have seen thus far, fields clearly seems to be the odd man out (other than harrelson, who probably will get scant minutes when he is in better shape to play)

  86. kronicfatigue

    Amare might have to reinvent his game to be more of a cleaner-upper on offense. There was a nice play where Lin gave it to Chandler at the free throw line after a PnR. Chandler started to make his move to the basket, and then found Amare for the easy lay up. If Melo Jr and/or Novak can provide space, Amare can find ways to sneak in around the basket.

    He can be a late career Ewing on offense. Tip ins, offensive rebounds, etc.

    On a separate note, having such a deep (and varied) bench is going to be huge when this crazy season starts to really grind on the rest of the league.

  87. jon abbey

    ruruland: There were signs this was going to happen. You can;t see that when make analysis just by made shot missed shot.

    it’s hard to know for sure with a back issue, but he’s been one of the best guards in the last decade at pacing himself over the course of the long season. so excited he and Smith are somehow both here…

  88. Degree_Absolute

    ruruland: It’s a spin move that freed him into the lane, where yes, help defense arrived.

    Often that play will result in a foul.

    It’s a not drive in which you have passing vision however, given that you’re doing a 180. It’s different than a drive from the top of the key by Lin.

    Honestly, not trying to belabor this play, but he held the ball, telegraphed his spin move, drove into three people where he was promptly stripped. He miraculously got the ball back and was rewarded for his decision to toss it out to anyone in white beyond the three point line.

    I love the Knicks. I like Melo. I did not think this was a good play.

  89. TheXman

    great attempt by amare to get the offensive rebound and try some asinine putback and barrel into chandler, which led to chandler going on the floor. Couldnt’ recover, and Irving for the 3. classic, jeezus fucking christ Amare.

  90. d-mar

    It’s inevitable that Smith is gonna start taking serious minutes away from Fields. Sorry Landry, you’re a funny guy and all, but it’s time to step aside

  91. jon abbey

    art vandelay:
    from what I have seen thus far, fields clearly seems to be the odd man out (other than harrelson, who probably will get scant minutes when he is in better shape to play)

    yeah, like I’ve been saying, it will quickly become obvious if everyone is healthy. Jorts should get his minutes, start Shumpert at SG.

  92. ruruland

    jon abbey: it’s hard to know for sure with a back issue, but he’s been one of the best guards in the last decade at pacing himself over the course of the long season. so excited he and Smith are somehow both here…

    Right. And that’s what we talked about with his motor. When he’s playing full motor he’s an incredible player. When he’s 35 mpg you get the bad shots and the lack of consistent penetration.

    But everything he’s done tonight you could see coming with some of the things he did when he came back.

  93. Juany8

    I’m just gonna go ahead and say that I think Baron is already the best passer on this team. He’s going to be getting some crunch time playoff minutes and he’ll be fantastic , mark my words.

  94. art vandelay

    I think STAT will be much better in second half and that he is not done as a high-level PF…he will probably not be better than last season and clearly never will reach pre-NYK levels, but I think he will be better than first half of season….his outside shot will start to fall, and his energy has been much better tonight…had a block shot and has been pretty aggressive at least, if not very effective.

  95. ruruland

    DRed: Should the be chanting for Amare?Fields?

    How about chant for the guys trying to win the game on the court. It’s perfectly emblematic of the issues with Knicks fans

  96. kronicfatigue

    That’s exactly how I saw the play [261]. He tried to do too much. What’s funny is that if there were only two defenders or if he didn’t completely lose control on the spin, he probably throws up a bad shot. But because EVERYTHING was stacked against him, he was almost forced to pass it.

  97. The Infamous Cdiggy

    I don’t know if Kyrie Irving can make the level of Paul/Westbrook/Nash/DWill, but he’s pretty damn good.

    I think Shump should start over Fields at the 2 eventually.

  98. ephus

    Shumpert’s best sequence of the season:

    1. Stopped Irving on the pick and roll;
    2. Second pick and roll by Irving — forces him into a tough 3 pointer.
    3. Shumpert gets into transition, scores layup and draws the foul.
    4. Misses the free throw and gets his own rebound.

  99. Degree_Absolute

    ruruland: How about chant for the guys trying to win the game on the court. It’s perfectly emblematic of the issues with Knicks fans

    I agree that the Garden crowd can be pretty dumb. I know its probably fun to chant MVP, but do you have to do it during free-throws? Silence is golden.

  100. DRed

    ruruland: How about chant for the guys trying to win the game on the court. It’s perfectly emblematic of the issues with Knicks fans

    Novak bailed the starters out after a terrible first half. Hearing the garden chant his name is probably the highlight of his career.

  101. Mulligan

    Lin should have 12 assists. They didn’t count the pass to shump when he got fouled on the continuation or the oop to shump at the end?

  102. ruruland

    DRed: Novak bailed the starters out after a terrible first half.Hearing the garden chant his name is probably the highlight of his career.

    That’s great. The Knicks were making their comeback before Novak came in. His shots were huge and he deserves to be beloved by the crowd. But don’t chant “We want Novak” when he’s on the bench and the five guys on the floor are trying to finish it out.

  103. The Infamous Cdiggy

    DRed: Novak bailed the starters out after a terrible first half.Hearing the garden chant his name is probably the highlight of his career.

    And well deserved… 17 points in 18 minutes – 5 threes.

  104. ess-dog

    Lin ended up having a nice game. I like how we have guys that can save us now if someone else is off their game.

    Unfortunately, Jeffries outplays Stat again. That is getting worrisome.

  105. massive

    Can we call Steve Novak “State Farm?” The discount double-check thing, and because he’s basically 3-point ball insurance (assurance?).

  106. The Infamous Cdiggy

    ruruland: That’s great. The Knicks were making their comeback before Novak came in. His shots were huge and he deserves to be beloved by the crowd. But don’t chant “We want Novak” when he’s on the bench and the five guys on the floor are trying to finish it out.

    Let the crowd have their fun, mane. There are things to scrutinize, but this isn’t one of them.

  107. Mulligan

    Mulligan:
    Lin should have 12 assists. They didn’t count the pass to shump when he got fouled on the continuation or the oop to shump at the end?

    Anyone else not getting the correct box score on ESPN?

  108. SJK

    It’s nice to have point guards that can combine for 20+ assists on a given night, especially given the state of the position two months ago.

  109. Mulligan

    Ah here we go. Man, Tyson’s line is as beastly as his beard! 4 Blocks, 15 rebounds, 13 points? Make your foul shots buddy!

  110. jon abbey

    ruruland: That’s great. The Knicks were making their comeback before Novak came in. His shots were huge and he deserves to be beloved by the crowd. But don’t chant “We want Novak” when he’s on the bench and the five guys on the floor are trying to finish it out.

    yeah, the crowd and media isn’t going to make D’Antoni’s rotation juggling job any easier, but they can chant whatever they want for what they pay and how lousy a first half they had to sit through.

  111. themark

    this game was actually fun to watch; the chemistry is starting to look good and our bench is pretty dangerous. Love/hate the fact no game until sunday but at least they’ll get more practice time together.
    LETS GO KNICKSSS!

  112. Kikuchiyo

    This is exactly the kind of game Shumpert needs to have night after night. 12 pts, 3 steals, and a lot of havoc on defense.

    Glad to see him in the right spot.

  113. Frank O.

    Seriously, I can’t remember a more balanced attack from a Knicks team.
    I find myself watching Amare closely all game,and his body language seems like he’s thinking too much. It wasn’t til the end of the game that he seemed to dunk without a thought and it was the same old explosive finisher. I hope he just starts playing and stops over-thinking. If he can get it going, oh man, watch out.

  114. DRed

    themark:
    this game was actually fun to watch; the chemistry is starting to look good and our bench is pretty dangerous.Love/hate the fact no game until sunday but at least they’ll get more practice time together.
    LETS GO KNICKSSS!

    The second half was fun to watch-that first half was hideous. But hey, turned out to be an easy win. I’ll take it. We should really be able to wear some teams down now with our depth.

  115. llcoolbp

    J lin final line, 13 assists, only 1 turnover. What a bounce back game for him against a speedy point guard. The heat game was clearly a confluence of being tired, all pro D, and the craziness of linsanity finally getting to Jeremy.

  116. jon abbey

    “Jeremy Lin: 19 pts, 13 ast, 1 TO. Only other player this season to finish with at least 19, 13 & 1 TO or fewer is MVP Derrick Rose.”

  117. Frank O.

    My son and I at half were like, okay,looks like we’re going to have a sucky night…
    And Baron is starting to look good. Not selfish. Playing within himself, facilitating. He looked sharp for the most part, aside from a few plays.
    So nice to have two solid points.

    But Shump really ignited that second unit. His energy…he combines quickness and speed with size and strength. If we had him against the Heat, it might have been a much closer game.

  118. TheXman

    Game was turning around, with Chandler’s defensive intensity in the middle of the 3rd. Love this guy, guy is soul of the team. What he’s expected to do, he does, you usually never disappointed by the guy’s performance.

    Cavs somehow stretched it back to 7 after a brief lead, but we got NOVAKAINE. I’m kinda lol-ing at the love for Bdiddy, he had a decent game, but looked absolutely awful last week. If he doesn’t shoot and gets a couple passes, that’s all we can ask for.

  119. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    Frank O.:
    Seriously, I can’t remember a more balanced attack from a Knicks team.
    I find myself watching Amare closely all game,and his body language seems like he’s thinking too much. It wasn’t til the end of the game that he seemed to dunk without a thought and it was the same old explosive finisher. I hope he just starts playing and stops over-thinking. If he can get it going, oh man, watch out.

    totally agreed he did look better after we were winning its like he wants to put this whole team on his shoulders and not miss a shot or make a mistake hes just not playing or having fun imo but he looked good at the end

  120. Frank O.

    jon abbey:
    “Jeremy Lin: 19 pts, 13 ast, 1 TO. Only other player this season to finish with at least 19, 13 & 1 TO or fewer is MVP Derrick Rose.”

    And it didn’t feel like he was in the game all that much or had the ball all that much. That’s when you know you’re getting great guard play.
    at some point the refs need to start giving him some calls. He got a bloody nose, no call,and I saw at least three layups where he got knocked to the ground, no call.

  121. DRed

    By way of comparison, number one pick Kyrie Irvin was 8-18, with 7 assists & 4 TOs. Great to see Lin bounce back so well from that stinker in Miami.

  122. BigBlueAL

    Knicks as a team finished with 30 assists and only 8 turnovers. Wouldve been even greater if they wouldve made their open shots in the 1st half. Offense looks scary good right now, just cant have long lapses of concentration and lack of energy on the defensive end.

  123. Frank O.

    jon abbey:
    “Jeremy Lin: 19 pts, 13 ast, 1 TO. Only other player this season to finish with at least 19, 13 & 1 TO or fewer is MVP Derrick Rose.”

    a steal and five boards too

  124. TheXman

    btw cavs are god fucking awful in the interior D without Side Show Bob. How many easy ass layups did they give up? How many times Lin did a PNR with Chandler, pass to Chandler who usually got fouled as he went up for the dunk. Good game for Lin to come back after that mauling by the Heat.

  125. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    another thing LIN IS A WINNER. he just gets it done. he doesnt care who gets the ball as long as the outcome is a big fat W!!!!!! i love his tenacity never say die bruce willis type of gun ho attitude he has. he tries to win like the energizer bunny tries to get to the finish line. he just keeps going n going. what i love most is that he doesnt care who gets the credit him, chandler, melo, amare, fields, novak he just wants too win and that in my book makes him the best…………………..

  126. Frank O.

    And TD and Bibby have become towel guys. Kind of sad. I saw TD standing with the guys and he just seems sad…

    Breen is right about the energy Melo and Amare bring on D. It is too glaring the difference defensively between team 1 and team 2.
    That second unit creates offense with its D.The 1st team tries to force the offense and is too lax on D.
    But i think if the 2nd team keeps playing this hard, Amare and Melo will catch on.

  127. thyrdrail

    im just relieved lin only had 1 turnover! cuz everybody was ranking him on that even for games where he scored over 20 points and even when knicks win!! now everyone will see he can control his turnovers!!

  128. jon abbey

    Frank O.:
    at some point the refs need to start giving him some calls. He got a bloody nose, no call,and I saw at least three layups where he got knocked to the ground, no call.

    he also falls over a lot without much contact and initiates a lot of contact himself, I think he probably gets about the right number of calls.

  129. Will the Thrill

    Faried: 6-6, 13 points, 10 rebounds, 7 offensive, at halftime. I know he’s good, but I’m happy with Shumpert.

  130. jon abbey

    Frank O.:

    Breen is right about the energy Melo and Amare bring on D. It is too glaring the difference defensively between team 1 and team 2.

    if there was only some personnel switch we could make to even this out a bit… :)

  131. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    I HAVE AN IDEA GUYZ!!!!!!

    “STAY-LIN” T-SHIRTS

    $25 EACH ALL PROFITS GO TO LIN SO HE CAN STAY WITH THE KNICKS NEXT YEAR ILL DEFINITELY BYE 4

  132. massive

    Amar’e and Melo are the only two guys who don’t really exert effort on defense. Everybody else plays good defense.

  133. Will the Thrill

    Yeah I kind of hope TD reverts back to his old ways (making shots). But I really don’t think he’l get the chance, and I’m glad that he won’t, frankly.

  134. BigBlueAL

    Does suck though that assuming the Celtics win on Fri at home vs NJ that the Knicks will be back in 8th place heading into one helluva hard 9 game stretch starting on Sunday.

  135. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Will the Thrill:
    Faried: 6-6, 13 points, 10 rebounds, 7 offensive, at halftime. I know he’s good, but I’m happy with Shumpert.

    Shumpert had a good game statistically, and gave his usual All-Defense first team effort on the other end, but it’s hard to argue against that line… at halftime.

    I mean, damn.

  136. d-mar

    jon abbey: if there was only some personnel switch we could make to even this out a bit… :)

    Hey, the bench played in the first half too and sucked just like the starters. So let’s not get carried away.

  137. jon abbey

    d-mar: Hey, the bench played in the first half too and sucked just like the starters. So let’s not get carried away.

    not my point, my point continues to be that Fields is the 11th best player on this team and Shumpert is a way better fit to start at SG, his crazy effort along with Chandler would help compensate for Lin/Melo/Amare’s issues on D. D’Antoni agreed down the stretch tonight at least.

  138. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    WHAT NO REPLIES ON THE T-SHIRTS IF KNICKERBLOGGER MADE THEM WITH THAT IDEA IN MIND

    i mean we are seeing something that happens once in a sports lifetime. and u would like to see him go. we need to make up the support from now serious to make sure he stays a knick!!!!!!!!!

  139. d-mar

    jon abbey: not my point, my point continues to be that Fields is the 11th best player on this team and Shumpert is a way better fit to start at SG, his crazy effort along with Chandler would help compensate for Lin/Melo/Amare’s issues on D. D’Antoni agreed down the stretch tonight at least.

    Not arguing with you there, I said earlier Fields’ minutes will be cut and Smith and Shumpert will be getting them.

  140. jon abbey

    also, the Lin/Shumpert combo was what began to turn things at the end of the second quarter, cutting it from 17 to 12. Lin kept going to him, culminating in that sick driving dunk which woke everyone up.

  141. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    jon abbey: not my point, my point continues to be that Fields is the 11th best player on this team and Shumpert is a way better fit to start at SG, his crazy effort along with Chandler would help compensate for Lin/Melo/Amare’s issues on D. D’Antoni agreed down the stretch tonight at least.

    good point. then the knicks can use fields offense and distribution with baron and smith novack and jeffries its a different look for sure. maybe jorts, jeffries, fields, smith, davis. i can see that woek its like a poor mans starting line up.

  142. Will the Thrill

    Yeah it is. But I was just saying in the situation we are in right now, Shumpert is still a very nice pick. Faried wouldn’t get a lot of minutes on this team, and his productivity would be lessened by Chandler. I am just glad we got a guy like Harrelson in the draft also, who is somewhat similar to Faried.

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: Shumpert had a good game statistically, and gave his usual All-Defense first team effort on the other end, but it’s hard to argue against that line… at halftime.

    I mean, damn.

  143. Frank O.

    jon abbey: if there was only some personnel switch we could make to even this out a bit… :)

    I suspect if he flopped a little less it would make it easier for refs to discern…

  144. TheXman

    that Shumpert D on Gibson in the 4th quarter. Gibson was about to drive, but had to bail out to half court because Shump was smothering him. It was kinda sick.

  145. The Infamous Cdiggy

    jon abbey: not my point, my point continues to be that Fields is the 11th best player on this team and Shumpert is a way better fit to start at SG, his crazy effort along with Chandler would help compensate for Lin/Melo/Amare’s issues on D. D’Antoni agreed down the stretch tonight at least.

    I think this is the best case you’ve made for Shump starting at the 2.

    When you’re the SG on offense, you need to be able to shoot from the outside, drive to the paint from the perimeter or both. Along with his D, Shump can at least drive to the rack, and you can see the difference in athleticism when he’s driving vs Fields. I think it’s hard to have a “glue” guy at the 2 if he can’t hit the three-ball.

  146. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Is Faried hurt? He logged 15 minutes and hasn’t played in the second half, as far as I can tell. Or is George Karl that much of an idiot?

  147. Will the Thrill

    Yeah, I thought that was a little weird. I’m assuming he got injured.

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    Is Faried hurt? He logged 15 minutes and hasn’t played in the second half, as far as I can tell. Or is George Karl that much of an idiot?

  148. Degree_Absolute

    jon abbey:
    also, the Lin/Shumpert combo was what began to turn things at the end of the second quarter, cutting it from 17 to 12. Lin kept going to him, culminating in that sick driving dunk which woke everyone up.

    From a purely out of context perspective (and maybe even in context), that dunk was the most exciting play of the game.

  149. Bruno Almeida

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    Is Faried hurt? He logged 15 minutes and hasn’t played in the second half, as far as I can tell. Or is George Karl that much of an idiot?

    Karl is probably going with Harrington because “he can create his own shot” lol.

  150. Brian Cronin

    They more than made up the three-point gap and they made more of their free throws. Exactly what I was hoping they would do at the half. Great win. How does Harrelson not get a little burn in this game, though? Not even a token appearance at the end? I was really hoping to see 11 guys play.

  151. ruruland

    jon abbey: not my point, my point continues to be that Fields is the 11th best player on this team and Shumpert is a way better fit to start at SG, his crazy effort along with Chandler would help compensate for Lin/Melo/Amare’s issues on D. D’Antoni agreed down the stretch tonight at least.

    Didn’t see any issues with Melo tonight defensively. Lin and Fields were the guys getting torched.

    Yes, Chandler picked everyone’s energy up in the second half. But SHump struggled in that first half defensively as well.

    When Melo isn’t overburdened on offense he’s a plus defender. He was a plus defender tonight if we were to sit down and break it down.

    Amar’e wasn’t awful. He was poor but not awful. The vast majority of Clevelands offense came from breaking down the guards.

  152. jon abbey

    yeah, Lin and Fields together starting the game on D is a recipe to let the other team’s guards get comfortable right away, no reason to allow that with the weapons now currently at our disposal.

  153. limpidgimp

    Come on jon, it’s not like people don’t get burned. For every great offensive player in the NBA, someone is getting burned. The idea that Kyrie Irving is going to be totally contained without double-teaming is not realistic. Look at Irving’s numbers, he does that to everyone.

  154. jon abbey

    Irving didn’t even want to go at Shumpert when he was in the game, they let Parker bring the ball up.

    you’re exaggerating or misunderstanding what I’m saying, obviously everyone gets beaten a certain percentage of the time, but the first unit needs more defense and the obvious move is to replace Fields with Shumpert. I don’t think even Landry’s mom would disagree that Shumpert is a far superior defender.

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