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Wednesday, April 23, 2014

160 comments on “2012 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Suns

  1. cgreene

    It’s so maddening and obvious that every team just says set a simple big man screen at the top of the offense and the Knicks will switch. Then take the big man on the guard into the post and the Knicks will double then move the ball to the open man. This is how you beat the Knicks. Plain and simple and easy.

  2. Juany8

    Knicks offense isn’t much harder. Double Anthony and watch him pass to Douglass. Cue laugh track

  3. BigBlueAL

    Perfect example of what is killing this offense. Melo drives and kicks it out to an open Jorts who doesnt shoot the 3pter, instead swings it to TD in the corner who wasnt open. He dribbles it all the way back out to the top of the key before driving and hitting all backboard on a floater.

  4. cgreene

    I mean it’s almost comical. Toney Douglas and Landry Fields can barely hit the rim on jump shots. It’s insane. It’s absurd. These guys are D League level players. How can Melo be expected to pass to them? I mean really?

  5. Jake S.

    cgreene:
    I mean it’s almost comical.Toney Douglas and Landry Fields can barely hit the rim on jump shots.It’s insane.It’s absurd.These guys are D League level players.How can Melo be expected to pass to them?I mean really?

    Can we at least try benching the former? I’m not sure how he provides much of an upgrade over Bibby, or even Jeremy Lin right now.

  6. cgreene

    BigBlueAL:
    Amar’e cant score on Gortat.

    Amare cant go left and he’s also lost his first step speed. So with no more 15 footer and no more explosion he’s below average. Seems like the speed and the jumper should come back tho

  7. cgreene

    Also MDA has completely screwed up Shumpert. He has him trying to think so much like a pass first PG that he completely misses wide open driving lanes to the basket. He is playing totally hesitant.

  8. Jake S.

    Open question: When was the last time the Knicks shot over 45% from the field? Jeez Louise.

    For my own sake, I think I need to turn this off and go outside. I can’t sit through another one of these hideous 93-89 victory/defeats or plain ol’ defeat/defeats.

  9. bobneptune

    i’ve got an idea…. maybe bibby should start out defending gortat and chandler should start on nash. that way we could eliminate the pnr from phoenix’s offense.

  10. art vandelay

    Is there any doubt the Knicks of first half of last season would crush this current Knicks squad as it is currently playing????

  11. ruruland

    So, Melo needs to shoot more now right, or is he the reason guys aren’t converting off of the doubles he’s creating?

  12. BigBlueAL

    art vandelay:
    Is there any doubt the Knicks of first half of last season would crush this current Knicks squad as it is currently playing????

    Depends, is the first half Knicks team from last season which twice lost 6 in a row be playing the current Knicks??

  13. ROUGH

    Awful, awful, awful! How can an NBA team be so bad???? Not to mention the so called “superstars”… Awful!

  14. BigBlueAL

    mura2337: I’ve started smoking cigarettes again so something positive is coming out of this debacle

    Ive never smoked in my life but watching this game might lead me to doing so lol

  15. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    So, Melo needs to shoot more now right, or is he the reason guys aren’t converting off of the doubles he’s creating?

    I’m pretty sure he’s hurt, so I don’t think I’d want him shooting a lot. I’d like some post-ups from him.

    Steve Nash is too good. There should be a law where he has to be 10% less good.

  16. ruruland

    ROUGH: Awful, awful, awful! How can an NBA team be so bad???? Not to mention the so called “superstars”… Awful!

    I can’t recal any superstars playing super-star like for extended periods of time with a supporting cast as bad and incompetent as this one. Actually, I can only think of a few NBA teams that were this bad 4-12.

  17. ROUGH

    It’s so painful to watch those 18 foot jumpers. From the moment the player jumps, be that Stat, Fields, or whoever, you already know he is going to miss. Painful!

  18. DRed

    For the 76ers thread, the opening shump shump was done thusly:

    SHUMP SHUMP!!!

    Since then, we have had not one all-caps-triple-exclamation-point shump shump. We also have not won a game.

    QED

  19. ruruland

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): I’m pretty sure he’s hurt, so I don’t think I’d want him shooting a lot. I’d like some post-ups from him. Steve Nash is too good. There should be a law where he has to be 10% less good.

    Melo has been in the post. It creates an automatic double team which isn’t being converted at all.

  20. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Melo has been in the post. It creates an automatic double team which isn’t being converted at all.

    Right, I’m saying I’d continue doing that. He’s hurt, so his shooting is going to be off, so just continue posting. If his teammates don’t hit, then so be it. But go with what gets his teammates open looks rather than forcing shots when his shooting is likely going to be off due to his injury.

  21. ruruland

    This team would be 180 degrees different on offense with Baron Davis, and say JR Smith, who wants to play in NY with his old pal.

    it’s not just that players 4-12 are bad offensively, it’s that they’re so bad they compound each other’s ineptitude.

  22. ROUGH

    ruruland: Melo has been in the post. It creates an automatic double team which isn’t being converted at all.

    Of course! These people look like they never played together before!

  23. Nick C.

    ruruland: I can’t recal any superstars playing super-star like for extended periods of time with a supporting cast as bad and incompetent as this one.Actually, I can only think of a few NBA teams that were this bad 4-12.

    D’Antoni’s Nugget team or whoever coached the year before Melo arrived?

  24. ruruland

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): Right, I’m saying I’d continue doing that. He’s hurt, so his shooting is going to be off, so just continue posting. If his teammates don’t hit, then so be it. But go with what gets his teammates open looks rather than forcing shots when his shooting is likely going to be off due to his injury.

    i’ve seen Melo score 20 second half points against the Indiana Pacers in ’08 with a broken hand (which forced him to miss the next month or so)…..

    This team has no chance unless he tries to take over at some point, and if he finds a release point he will take over.

  25. ruruland

    Nick C.: D’Antoni’s Nugget team or whoever coached the year before Melo arrived?

    Precisely. Anthony Goldwire, Donnel harvey and the 11 win squad, as well as the Camby, Nene-”led” 17 win team in 2002

  26. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    i’ve seen Melo score 20 second half points against the Indiana Pacers in ’08 with a broken hand (which forced him to miss the next month or so)…..

    This team has no chance unless he tries to take over at some point, and if he finds a release point he will take over.

    I’ve seen Melo force the issue in the second half of a close game and go 4-14 in the second half against the Orlando Magic in ’12 with the same injury he has right now.

    The team doesn’t have a great chance with that, either.

  27. ruruland

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): I’ve seen Melo force the issue in the second half of a close game and go 4-14 in the second half against the Orlando Magic in ’12 with the same injury he has right now.

    understood. But given what we’ve seen tonight do you blame him for taking those shots ( alot of them open looks?)

  28. ruruland

    Nick C.: Ruru you sound like you’re Melo’s agent, and JR Smith’s as well

    Did you read the WSJ piece on JR Smith. It’s not a random reference.

  29. Mulligan

    Phil Weber was droppin some knowledge in that brief pre-2nd half interview. Was that a rare candid moment or are assistant coaches exempt from the constant cliched talk that happens in hoops? Or am I making too big a deal out of a 30 second interview (probably this one).

  30. Nick C.

    In Melo’s defense near the end of the half he passed to Fields, who missed a three and then on the next possession passed go Fields against and Fields hit the jumper.

  31. mura2337

    I live in Denver and either the nuggets need to lose a ton of games or, better yet, the knicks need to win a ton. I’m tired of my “friends” mocking me and laughing derisively at my support of a guy I ain’t liked since cuse. Good finish by shump.

  32. DRed

    I need to get back to working on my book “Toney Douglas misses the 23-foot jumper: the story of the 2012 Knicks”

  33. xcat01

    Melo should be sitting tonight. He must be in pain because his shot is not falling and his defense is very lame

  34. Frank O.

    Can I just say I’ve lost all the love for TD?
    The Knicks got some flow going and then TD drove into no where and threw up a prayer. He picks up the dribble for no reason on the next possession. He’s terrible.

  35. The Infamous Cdiggy

    I think Melo was kinda trying to shoot his way back into rhythm, but clearly in this case he shouldn’t.

  36. llcoolbp

    by the way i don’t know if anyone noticed, nate robinson is playing well. I still feel the knicks should have given him a look. This team is so offensively challenged, he couldn’t hurt.

  37. d-mar

    This is really really really hard to watch. The Knicks are in a dogfight with a team that’s lost 5 in a row and got their doors blown off last night in Chicago. And I have no idea who we can turn to for offense. I foresee a painful ending.

  38. mura2337

    Frank O.:
    Can I just say I’ve lost all the love for TD?
    The Knicks got some flow going and then TD drove into no where and threw up a prayer. He picks up the dribble for no reason on the next possession. He’s terrible.

    Yes. Yes you can. And yes, yes he is. Gotta be a lack of confidence. I doubt he forgot how to dribble, shoot, pass and defend. Gotta be confidence.

  39. mura2337

    llcoolbp:
    by the way i don’t know if anyone noticed, nate robinson is playing well. I still feel the knicks should have given him a look. This team is so offensively challenged, he couldn’t hurt.

    He was always in and out of the dog house. I don’t think the coaching staff would want him.

  40. xcat01

    Melo should be sitting, TD should never get off the bench and the Knicks each need 200 FTs tomorrow because they suck at it.

  41. latke

    We’re losing to a bad team that has played badly. The only successful part of the suns offense all night has been Nash on switches and Grant Hill losing Anthony for open 12 footers.

    Just an awful game to watch.

  42. art vandelay

    btw, san antonio and orlando are in overtime tied at 79….HAHHAHAHHAHHAAH…gotta love post-lockout NBA!

  43. Owen

    Does anyone have a solution to the blackout issue for Time Warner users. Kind of would like to watch this debacle….

  44. d-mar

    Owen:
    Does anyone have a solution to the blackout issue for Time Warner users. Kind of would like to watch this debacle….

    No you don’t

  45. The Infamous Cdiggy

    wish that was a 3, but it looks like Shumpert’s shooting form is starting to come to him.

  46. BigBlueAL

    Ive had it with this crap. Melo trade is the worst trade in Knicks history. Maybe NBA history.

    (I might change my mind in a few minutes)

  47. mura2337

    Mda offense has always been predicated on having a great pg. This seems like something we could’ve addressed years ago. Not in the draft mind you. We needed jordan hill.

  48. Nick C.

    BigBlueAL:
    Great rebounding down the stretch by the Knicks.

    I was gonna post about that. Phoenix takes about a minute of clock and scored. Awful

  49. The Infamous Cdiggy

    we might lose this one, but if this game means Shumpert has found his outside shot, mannnnnnnnnnnnnnn…..

  50. d-mar

    art vandelay:
    win or loss, let[s be honest….no good was coming out of this utter debacle.

    I guess you could say Fields went from sucky to OK, that’s a positive, right?

  51. mura2337

    I sure hope that rumor of trading shump and fields for Nash is true cause potential and youth is for gypsies and teams with a plan.

  52. The Infamous Cdiggy

    man, there’s no rent-a-PG or ANYONE in the D-League that can run an offense competently. Screw having a jumpshot (though you’d love it a guy did have a J); just SOMEONE to run an NBA offense and pass a little.

  53. ess-dog

    Strangely, I’m not too mad about this one.

    -Melo’s clearly hurting.
    -Stat hasn’t found his jumper yet.
    -Fields played well!!
    -Shump played well!! (though he’s not a point guard)
    -We still don’t have any healthy point guards worth a damn (except maybe Lin.)
    -The bench is still pretty useless.
    -Baron still provides a glimmer of hope for the future.

    Right now we’re just going to suck, there’s no two ways about it. By mid-February, maybe we’ll be a decent enough team to make the playoffs and make some minor noise…..

  54. mura2337

    ess-dog:
    Strangely, I’m not too mad about this one.

    -Melo’s clearly hurting.
    -Stat hasn’t found his jumper yet.
    -Fields played well!!
    -Shump played well!! (though he’s not a point guard)
    -We still don’t have any healthy point guards worth a damn (except maybe Lin.)
    -The bench is still pretty useless.
    -Baron still provides a glimmer of hope for the future.

    Right now we’re just going to suck, there’s no two ways about it.By mid-February, maybe we’ll be a decent enough team to make the playoffs and make some minor noise…..

    that mid Feb possibility is the only thing keeping me going. I’m far too numb to be mad. I haven’t had legitimate hope since the 90′s of us being a real contender.

  55. d-mar

    I hope Baron Davis realizes that the hopes of thousands of Knicks fans rest on his shoulders (and bulging disk) Think he’s up for that?

  56. ess-dog

    d-mar:
    I hope Baron Davis realizes that the hopes of thousands of Knicks fans rest on his shoulders (and bulging disk) Think he’s up for that?

    Right now he’s probably thinking “Shit, I should’ve been nicer to Dan Gilbert.”

  57. ROUGH

    MSG comment: “Steve Nash may be able to get more than what the Knicks will be able to offer through the mid-level exception.” Well, take a 3 milliions away from overpaid Stat, 3 away from overpaid Melo, 2 away from overpaid Chandler, and you have enough salary cap space to bring Nash on anybody else. Melo, Stat, and Chandler are not the problem. They are good players. The problem is that they are being paid like superstars. And this creates a very-very disbalanced, and, at the end, BAD BAD team.

  58. Will the Thrill

    The mindless switching on screens is laughable. How do they expect to win with this defensive technique????? D’antoni has to be the dumbest coach I have come across since Isiah. When was the last time anyone has said “good play written up by D’antoni” or “smart decision by D’antoni”?
    The offense is absolutely nothing but iso’s some random pick and rolls thrown in that never amount to anything (of course, teams aren’t switching like we are). Right now our offense is totally reliant on the ability to make contested jump shots in isolations and when we finally get an open shot, we can’t convert.
    It is getting pretty embarrassing watching a team underperform so badly and it just seems like something has to be changed (firings, trades, something)

  59. ROUGH

    BigBlueAL:
    I would really love to know what James Dolan is honestly thinking right now about this team.

    Oh, no, don’t worry, he will be OK. Ticket prices raised by 50% this season, I think. Same for commercials, etc. He’ll be ok, don’t worry.

  60. BigBlueAL

    Next 2 games Fri and Sat home vs the Bucks who the Knicks always play horrible against and of course vs the Nuggets. It could get real ugly at MSG this weekend.

  61. Will the Thrill

    It’s so much more infuriating watching this team than the pre-Melo knicks. Hell, it was less infuriating watching the Knicks with David Lee and Robinson! At least they didn’t have the tools to be a good team, they were just a bad one. I am seriously starting to believe that Melo’s ego is hurting this team more than anything and that his style of play is ruining the Knicks chances. If they get a PG (Davis) and they still suck, then the team needs to be blown up ASAP.

  62. mura2337

    ROUGH: Oh, no, don’t worry, he will be OK. Ticket prices raised by 50% this season, I think. Same for commercials, etc. He’ll be ok, don’t worry.

    Whew! For a second there I thought he might sell the team to a component owner.

  63. The Infamous Cdiggy

    ess-dog: Right now he’s probably thinking “Shit, I should’ve been nicer to Dan Gilbert.”

    I doubt that. He knows what his opportunities are with this team and this city. I really believe most of the teams ills right now fall in line with Davis’ strengths. Again, we don’t need (or should expect) 2007 Baron; 2020 Baron at this point will help tons.

  64. ruruland

    I think hitting a low point is going to be good for this team. It may not come for awhile. But by the time they come out of it the unhinged floodgates of pent up frustration will be something to see.

  65. bobneptune

    BigBlueAL:
    I would really love to know what James Dolan is honestly thinking right now about this team.

    he’s counting the gate receipts and laughing his ass off while popping his third tuinal for the evening……..

  66. Will the Thrill

    All the frustration in the world won’t stop them from switching on screens 40 feet from the basket. Nor will it help them make contested fadeaway after contested fadeaway. Tactics/systems needs to change with the team’s offense and defense and then we will be getting somewhere.

    ruruland:
    I think hitting a low point is going to be good for this team. It may not come for awhile. But by the time they come out of it the unhinged floodgates of pent up frustration will be something to see.

  67. The Infamous Cdiggy

    BigBlueAL:
    I would really love to know what James Dolan is honestly thinking right now about this team.

    how about “WHEN THE HELL WILL BARON BE HEALTHY AND READY?!?!?”

  68. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    i didnt have time to watch he game but just an assumption you guys think the starters are overworked and we need real quality bench players as in trade melo for some quality bench players watcha think

  69. ruruland

    It would be unwise for fans to bury this team, not with the respective competitive fires of Chandler, Amar’e and Melo. Right now the Knicks are the embarrassment of the league. Amar’e took a chance to sign here. This is Melo’s hometown. Chandler put his name on the line to play alongside those two.

    There is much more than a season on the line. These guys’ legacies will come under question as the losses pile up.

    Oftentimes, it’s a great recipe for a late-season run. When things to start to click, and they will, I think it gives the team a chance to make a deep playoff run.

    Now we get to see

  70. ruruland

    Will the Thrill: All the frustration in the world won’t stop them from switching on screens 40 feet from the basket. Nor will it help them make contested fadeaway after contested fadeaway. Tactics/systems needs to change with the team’s offense and defense and then we will be getting somewhere.

    Defense is actually really good right now. A lot of teams switch on the Suns because it disables their potent pick and roll.

    With Chandler’s coverage inside it’s actually a good defensive strategy because it takes teams out of sets and turns them into stagnant, iso/post ups centric offense.

    Offensively I’m really just at a loss for words. But I can’t believe it’s going to get worse. I’ve never seen a team play this poorly as a collective unit.

    For those willing to wait out this storm their will be a reward, perhaps a significant one.

    But this team is going to get absolutely buried after tonight. Don’t think that gets lost on guys.

  71. jon abbey

    DRed:
    For the 76ers thread, the opening shump shump was done thusly:

    SHUMP SHUMP!!!

    Since then, we have had not one all-caps-triple-exclamation-point shump shump.We also have not won a game.

    QED

    I agree with this, obviously he woke up too late in this one and it’s clearly due to the lack of exclamation points at opening tip. people keep saying he shoots too much, I wish he shot more given the rest of the options, or at least had the ball in his hands a lot more. they send him to stand in the corner too often, give him the damn ball.

    anyway, very positive signs for Shump Shump and Fields especially, was I the only one who noticed our guys getting whacked in the head repeatedly on drives down the stretch?

    also, Jared Jeffries played his ass off on D in the first half, he guarded both Nash and Gortat successfully one on one within a minute or so, the list of guys in the league who can do that is very short.

    so good game for the supporting cast, but Melo looks hurt and Amare still doesn’t have his normal lift. and the switching as people said is ridiculous, so predictable. there aren’t many legit post threats like Howard and Gortat around, but still, tough to watch.

  72. ruruland

    LMNYKFAN4LIFE: i didnt have time to watch he game but just an assumption you guys think the starters are overworked and we need real quality bench players as in trade melo for some quality bench players watcha think

    Sound idea. I’m sure the Melo/Amar’e hate will commence as never before. Just remember to stick with it when this starts going the other way on you.

  73. mura2337

    ruruland:
    It would be unwise for fans to bury this team, not with the respective competitive fires of Chandler, Amar’e and Melo. Right now the Knicks are the embarrassment of the league. Amar’e took a chance to sign here. This is Melo’s hometown. Chandler put his name on the line to play alongside those two.

    There is much more than a season on the line. These guys’ legacies will come under question as the losses pile up.

    Oftentimes, it’s a great recipe for a late-season run. When things to start to click, and they will, I think it gives the team a chance to make a deep playoff run.

    Now we get to see

    there is precedent with the 99 squad. Pride is a helluva motivator for normal people, doubly so for pro athletes. Realistically its still early. Granted its a short season but we are in the east. A solid 1, shump with more experience, and everybody else in rhythm and we can make noise.

  74. bobneptune

    ROUGH:
    MSG comment: “Steve Nash may be able to get more than what the Knicks will be able to offer through the mid-level exception.” Well, take a 3 milliions away from overpaid Stat, 3 away from overpaid Melo, 2 away from overpaid Chandler, and you have enough salary cap space to bring Nash on anybody else. Melo, Stat, and Chandler are not the problem. They are good players. The problem is that they are being paid like superstars. And this creates a very-very disbalanced, and, at the end, BAD BAD team.

    the knicks have 53 million tied up next year with amar’e, chandler and melo. add shumpert’s 1.68 million and 8 cap holds and they are at the cap.

    best of luck getting those 3 to give back 10 million or so next season for nash.

  75. ruruland

    jon abbey: I agree with this, obviously he woke up too late in this one and it’s clearly due to the lack of exclamation points at opening tip. people keep saying he shoots too much, I wish he shot more given the rest of the options, or at least had the ball in his hands a lot more. they send him to stand in the corner too often, give him the damn ball. anyway, very positive signs for Shump Shump and Fields especially, was I the only one who noticed our guys getting whacked in the head repeatedly on drives down the stretch? also, Jared Jeffries played his ass off on D in the first half, he guarded both Nash and Gortat successfully one on one within a minute or so, the list of guys in the league who can do that is very short. so good game for the supporting cast, but Melo looks hurt and Amare still doesn’t have his normal lift. and the switching as people said is ridiculous, so predictable. there aren’t many legit post threats like Howard and Gortat around, but still, tough to watch.

    The switching is counter-intuitive but there is clearly a method to it that’s creating fantastic outcomes, for the most part.

    it often puts the honus on guys unaccustomed to creating their own shot to make individual plays, make decisions with the ball in their hands. It’s deceptively effective, luring teams into doing things they aren’t good at.

  76. BigBlueAL

    Fields was much more aggressive tonight and that was nice to see. But he still cant make a 3pter to save his life and he barely hit rim on some of his FT’s (0 for 4 3pt, 5 for 9 FT).

    But I will take tonight’s Fields every day. Gotta hope/assume he will start hitting some 3pters in the future.

  77. Juany8

    Defensive switching isn’t a terrible strategy when you have Chandler out on the perimeter, or even someone like Jeffries, or Jorts, guys who can keep up with perimeter players. When you end up with Amar’e on Nash though…. you need to rethink your strategy

  78. ruruland

    mura2337: there is precedent with the 99 squad. Pride is a helluva motivator for normal people, doubly so for pro athletes. Realistically its still early. Granted its a short season but we are in the east. A solid 1, shump with more experience, and everybody else in rhythm and we can make noise.

    That’s what the 2008 Nuggets did. When things finally came together, after what was really an ugly, frustrating start to the season, they had another gear that other teams, good teams, couldn’t match.

    basketball is unique in that way.

    You can see it in the frenetic desperation they played with tonight….And the looks on their faces after the game.

    I think it’s quite natural for any person or group of people, who, once they’ve survived a situation with their backs to the wall, become infused with adrenaline….

    Beyond that, confidence….I have a sense this team will be front-running squads out of MSG in March.

  79. BigBlueAL

    Looking at the box score only 1 reason Knicks lost plain and simple, they couldnt shoot. Horrible 3pt (4 for 15) and FT shooting (20 for 30). Cost them the game.

  80. jon abbey

    I don’t mind a fair amount of switching, just don’t be so predictable about it. When the other offense can rub their guy off 25 feet from the basket early in the shot clock over and over, something is wrong.

  81. ruruland

    Juany8: Defensive switching isn’t a terrible strategy when you have Chandler out on the perimeter, or even someone like Jeffries, or Jorts, guys who can keep up with perimeter players. When you end up with Amar’e on Nash though…. you need to rethink your strategy

    Nash is going to have the ball in his hands anyway. The idea is that you’d rather have your big trying to contest his shot than stop the roller on the impeccable Nash pass.

    Unless you have great PNR defense, it’s a great strategy IMO. Chandler, Amar’e and jeffries should be good enough laterally to force guards into cluttering up the spacing inside. Guys like Melo, as you saw tonight, are strong enough to take-on bigs inside. Shumpert, with his length, is quite versatile in that sense as well.

  82. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    im sorry, but to be honest i still dont think its the team. its the team concept. we have the key players, we have key bench players. and that only leaves one solution; we need to fire mda and give the reigns to coach woodson. trust me when i tell you this team will win. two main reasons, the team is better defensively this year because of him, second he knows how to get the most out of all his players. mda doesnt know how to use a bench. he always had a 9 man rotation. they need to rest the starters. mda is not a chess player. he is still playing flying kings, coach woodson at least knows the fundamentals of chess and thats all thats needed to win in a short seaon with this team ask the clippers

  83. BigBlueAL

    ruruland: That’s what the 2008 Nuggets did. When things finally came together, after what was really an ugly, frustrating start to the season, they had another gear that other teams, good teams, couldn’t match.

    basketball is unique in that way.

    You can see it in the frenetic desperation they played with tonight….And the looks on their faces after the game.

    I think it’s quite natural for any person or group of people, who, once they’ve survived a situation with their backs to the wall, become infused with adrenaline….

    Beyond that, confidence….I have a sense this team will be front-running squads out of MSG in March.

    I used to be this optimistic but honestly I just cant be anymore because it is totally irrational to do so.

    Right now all Im looking at is a team who will at best be a 7th or 8th seed who can hopefully avoid the Bulls or Heat in the 1st round so they could maybe win a couple of games and have a competitive series.

  84. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    BigBlueAL:
    Fields was much more aggressive tonight and that was nice to see.But he still cant make a 3pter to save his life and he barely hit rim on some of his FT’s (0 for 4 3pt, 5 for 9 FT).

    But I will take tonight’s Fields every day.Gotta hope/assume he will start hitting some 3pters in the future.

    I think his problem is not that they need him to hit 3 pointers. They need him to play his game. What is his game? Use his head hustle grab rebounds, drive to the basket that is his game.

  85. nicos

    ruruland: The switching is counter-intuitive but there is clearly a method to it that’s creating fantastic outcomes, for the most part.

    Nash did almost all of his damage off of switches- took open jumpers when Chandler switched on him and just drove right past Amar’e when he switched. Shumpert was actually really good when switched on the big- Morris drew a shooting foul but every other time he either stripped the big or really challenged the shot and forced a miss. I’d agree that the only other real option would have been to trap the p n r but Nash is as tough to trap as anyone in the league. Still, the Knicks surrender that switch way too easily- rather than trying to get over the pick and only switching as a last resort the Knicks are just switching right away- that’s fine if it’s a two and three, or even two/four or one/three but you shouldn’t switch one/five without a fight no matter who your five is.

  86. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    ruruland: Sound idea. I’m sure the Melo/Amar’e hate will commence as never before. Just remember to stick with it when this starts going the other way on you.

    Ruru I’m just saying this is disgraceful. Did you see the minutes, 40 for Shump a rookie, 38 melo a man with half a body working, tyson chandler 38 a man that’s accident prone not to mention 38 for amare and 37 for fields. That’s nuts, and what did the bench score i don’t know less than 10, come on be real they need to use their bench. That’s what I’m saying

  87. ruruland

    BigBlueAL: I used to be this optimistic but honestly I just cant be anymore because it is totally irrational to do so. Right now all Im looking at is a team who will at best be a 7th or 8th seed who can hopefully avoid the Bulls or Heat in the 1st round so they could maybe win a couple of games and have a competitive series.

    understandeable……But I think you need to recongize that this team is playing as bad as it possibly can on offense…

  88. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    Jim Cavan (@JPCavan):
    http://knickerblogger.net/quick-reaction-suns-91-knicks-88/

    Spew away, gang.

    This is so true I’m just so disgusted really but not with the players. Nope I’m disgusted with the coaches. Even regular people like ourselves see what is wrong with the Knicks and the Coach cant see didly. Is he watching the same game as us smh. Ive always been a big Knicks fan but this is disgraceful the knicks in 2008 were better, at least they had heart and where fun to watch. This team is playing tired and all i hear is excuses. I dont hear Amare Saying wake up. I dont Hear melo Saying we need to practice by ourselves That way our shots go down. No i hear we cant hit the ocean. Come on no heart just collecting paychecks smh

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