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Friday, December 19, 2014

107 comments on “2012 Game Thread: Knicks @ Magic

  1. yellowboy90

    One thing about last year when STAT was out is that the 3 was unable to take advantage of his mismatch because most teams put there 3 on Melo which left fields with the opposing team’s 4. SO far Brewer has been cutting and hitting his open shots and tonight he might be guarded by big baby who they need to score alot. So he needs to make him work.

  2. Brian Cronin

    The team definitely does look a lot different when the threes are not dropping. I mean, they’ll still win this one easily, but if Orlando was a better team, I’d be a bit worried.

  3. yellowboy90

    Brian Cronin:
    The team definitely does look a lot different when the threes are not dropping.

    It’s early and they looked the same last game after the lay off.

  4. Juany8

    I actually have a bad feeling about this game, I think the Knicks pull it out but nobody is happy with the performance….

  5. yellowboy90

    they’re playing good offense they just need to step up on D. Mainly box out and help the helper.

  6. Juany8

    I also have to point out that if JR can keep playing close to this level throughout the season (I’m sure the shooting drops off, I’m mostly talking about effort and mindset) Then him and Brewer are the best value at the wing in the league, not counting rookies. Can’t believe Chicago just let Brewer go for the minimum (as well as the rest of the league), even if he wasn’t a good fit next to Deng and Rose.

  7. yellowboy90

    I liked Brewer attacking Davis off the dribble and will love to see What Smith will do if Big baby is guarding him.

  8. Brian Cronin

    Can’t believe Chicago just let Brewer go for the minimum (as well as the rest of the league), even if he wasn’t a good fit next to Deng and Rose.

    Chicago’s offseason was outrageous. Hurting their team just to avoid paying luxury tax. Such bullshit. The Knicks are so lucky that so many other teams are also cheap, so Brewer was available so cheaply.

    But yeah, Smith and Brewer are playing amazing so far this year.

  9. yellowboy90

    Sheed was the first big in again. I think thye might come out with Sheed. Camby, and Novak to start the 3rd

  10. Juany8

    Interesting counterpoint to everyone correctly pointing out that some of the Knicks shooting will cool off: Novak hasn’t shot that well. If he starts shooting as well as he did last year, that will make up for a good bit of the loss

  11. Juany8

    jon abbey:
    Chicago’s option on Brewer was for $4.37M, not the minimum.

    nice to see Prigioni shooting!

    Could they not decline the option and bring him back at a lower price? I’m honestly not sure about this, and it doesn’t explain why nobody went for him at that price.

  12. nicos

    I have to say the bloom is off the rose for me a bit with Rasheed- he is so slooooow. His rotations have been two steps late.

  13. jon abbey

    nicos:
    I have to say the bloom is off the rose for me a bit with Rasheed- he is so slooooow.His rotations have been two steps late.

    he’s way too quick to shoot 3s, that’s what pissed off Boston fans about him in his last year in the league.

  14. Brian Cronin

    trap game?

    Clearly. Except I would note that the term often means a loss, and I don’t think that the Knicks are going to lose this game. I’d be quite shocked if they don’t pull it out.

  15. domiknick

    where was Camby once Chandler went out with the 3 fouls? Would have liked to see him out there to run some pnr rather than going small and trying to match Orlando.

  16. Glew

    Yeah he seems to be dogging it tonight, looking like he really doesn’t want to play or is pissed off at something

  17. jon abbey

    JK47:
    Ray Felton shoots too much.

    it’s not too much, it’s too quickly. shoot as much as you want in the last 8 seconds or so of the shot clock, try to get your teammates a good look before that.

  18. thenoblefacehumper

    Somehow I think we all knew that this game wouldn’t be nearly as easy as it should be. I guess it’s the Knicks fan sense.

  19. art vandelay

    Chandler looks a bit discombobulated out there, especially defensively, surprisingly. Off night for him…

  20. Juany8

    So did Melo sleep with a ref’s wife or something? There is not way he wasn’t fouled at some point (or every point…)

  21. Brian Cronin

    My only fear with Sheed was that he’d get too many minutes because of his rep. This game this seems like that is happening. Sheed was a great player back in his day, but he’s not that guy anymore.

  22. yellowboy90

    Who else love Kidd and the team play good bball to close out the game. Maybe Orlando should have kept the kids in.

  23. ruruland

    yellowboy90:
    Ruru is going nuts somewhere.lol.

    Nah. I’ve seen it happen to him too many times. It was pretty egregious tonight but whatever.

    This is what great teams do. Stick around, have a little lead and then win the last 10 minutes.

    You can’t play 82 games with more energy than your opponent, cetainly not for 48 minutes each game.

    Pretty low effort ugly basketball early, and the team was out of whack with the insane lak of whistles imo

  24. ruruland

    yellowboy90: Yup and Kidd started the run.

    Kidd’s been great and his statistical production is low.

    Melo creating consistent open looks in half-court.

    JR playing great. Will be nice to add Amar’e and Shump to this.

  25. yellowboy90

    Felton really shot 23 shots. There where some early jumpers and some missed layups but wow. I don’t know how I feel about that.

  26. jock cowles

    Unbelievable…the Raptors have scored FIVE (5) POINTS through the first 11:55 of the 4th quarter.

    Still up by 2 on the Pacers with 5 seconds left.

  27. jon abbey

    Smith was great, but Kidd turned the game around for good again, and Melo with some big shots as always. the double figure win streak and keeping teams under 90 streak continue, at least temporarily.

  28. DRed

    That was a terrible, terrible performance by a team that one by double digits for the 5th time in a row. I guess that’s a good sign.

  29. jon abbey

    yellowboy90:
    Run coaches run under 13 TOs

    yep, NY far and away leading the league in turnover differential at 6.7 and a +11 (20 to 9) to add to that tonight.

  30. yellowboy90

    Just think how JR would be under another coach when he was so upset about not being a starter. I have to give Smith hos due to. I have always been a fan and its nice to see him playing so well.

    Also, I always though Kidd was playing possum in the pre-season and I am glad I was right. What a great stabilizer.

  31. JK47

    JR Smith sure is playing his ass off this season. Man is he deadly when he gets it going.

    The Knicks didn’t play great in this game, but they kept their own turnovers under control (only 9) and forced quite a few (20). They’re doing what it takes to get W’s. I’m starting to believe.

  32. Gideon Zaga

    This was a good practice game for Thursdays game, the ball movement and backdoor passes by the Magic were crisp. Expect the spurs to play the same way with better personnel.

  33. BigBlueAL

    Didnt see the game since I just got home but judging from the comments and box score it might be time for Camby to start getting Sheed’s minutes huh.

  34. jon abbey

    Sheed would be a lot more helpful if he’d mostly stay in the post on offense, he is probably the best big man offensive post player we’ve got (not counting Melo as a big man). but teams have been trying to get him to do that for years, he loves to float outside and shoot bushels of threes.

  35. yellowboy90

    BigBlueAL:
    Didnt see the game since I just got home but judging from the comments and box score it might be time for Camby to start getting Sheed’s minutes huh.

    Not quite Camby didn’t look that good. None off the bigs looked that good.

    Also, Did having Smith at the 3 take Affalo off of Melo. I have no reason why they played Davis on Melo.

  36. massive

    JK47:
    JR Smith sure is playing his ass off this season.Man is he deadly when he gets it going.

    The Knicks didn’t play great in this game, but they kept their own turnovers under control (only 9) and forced quite a few (20).They’re doing what it takes to get W’s.I’m starting to believe.

    How do you feel about Raymond Felton so far? I know you hated the move in the offseason.

  37. Brian Cronin

    Felton really shot 23 shots. There where some early jumpers and some missed layups but wow. I don’t know how I feel about that.

    On a regular basis you don’t want it, but now and then it’s not a big deal.

  38. johnlocke

    Just caught up on DVR… I wanted to reach into the TV and choke Rasheed…horrible defense, I mean HORRIBLE and too many threes.

    JR Smith and JCrawford are the two 6th men of the year candidates at this point.

    Kudos to Woody for putting JR in for Brewer 1 min into the 3rd quarter. I’m starting to not like the Sheed over Kurt Thomas move. Kurt plays solid D, good help D and plays within himself. Cut down Sheed’s minutes, play Camby a little more and get Kurt in the game.

    Good defense in the 4th.

  39. jon abbey

    Brewer had some knee soreness, he said he’ll be fine for Thursday but that’s not cool.

    Spurs/Lakers just started on NBA-TV…

  40. johnlocke

    Brew played well in the 1st half, but JR is playing out of his mind right now. Playing near-All-Star level and all around basketball…and consistency (*so far)…very impressed with JR

    jon abbey:
    Brewer had some knee soreness, he said he’ll be fine for Thursday but that’s not cool.

    Spurs/Lakers just started on NBA-TV…

  41. johnlocke

    By the way on a diff topic, Kobeast Bryant is averaging his highest FG%, highest 3pt % and highest FT% in his CAREER so far over seven games….and right behind Melo in PPG in the NBA at 2nd

  42. jon abbey

    Knicks the first team ever to hold their first five opponents of the year all to 40 points or less in the second half.

  43. JC Knickfan

    Yes Knicks won, but should Felton really taking 23 shots? He shooting whooping 0.481 TS% coming into this game and about get even lower.

  44. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, JC, but that’s the deal with this team. Yes, Felton is not a good shooter and he shouldn’t shoot so much (and he really hasn’t in the other games – this is an outlier), but the Knick guard position was so bad last year that Felton is still a big upgrade. It is like back in 2010-11 when Felton was replacing Duhon. He just has to be decent and the team is improved a lot.

  45. BigBlueAL

    Felton is who he is. His TS% will hover around 50% all year, what he needs to continue to do is keep his TO’s down, his asts per game at around 7 and not take many shots which before tonight he had been doing (averaging 12 FGA/g). Also keep up the solid D he has been playing for the most part.

    Hey Lin so far this season has a TS% of .493!!

  46. thenoblefacehumper

    JC Knickfan:
    Yes Knicks won, but should Felton really taking 23 shots? He shooting whooping 0.481 TS% coming into this game and about get even lower.

    It’s not the ideal roadmap to victory, but tonight he did hit some big shots. So long as he knows this isn’t the norm, it’ll be fine.

  47. Kurt

    Regarding Felton, also keep in mind that a lot of his jump shots came because his man went under the screen. You have to make them pay for that. He also had some nice layups. Also, he had to create the offense when it wasn’t flowing.

  48. BigBlueAL

    It is nice to be complaining a bit about a game the Knicks won by 10 which improved their record to 5-0 :-)

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