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Friday, August 1, 2014

378 comments on “2012 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Heat

  1. Will the Thrill

    Eh not really feeling Davis at all in this one. I know Lin hasn’t been good either but he just seems more in control.

  2. GoKnicksGo

    Will the Thrill:
    Eh not really feeling Davis at all in this one. I know Lin hasn’t been good either but he just seems more in control.

    I’m impressed by our defense, the Knicks have a chance if we can keep this up, the key will be the endurance factor though…they have a better starting 5, but we have a better bench.

  3. TheXman

    Davis is horrible, why is he shooting, give the ball up to JR who can create at a higher % than fat ass Bdiddy. Lin may be overwhelmed here.

  4. daaarn

    Owen:
    I feel like we are down 20…

    Seriously. I’m worried about the pacing of this game. I’m glad for our depth, but I’m little anxious about having so many players still needing to be fully-integrated and/or getting back into the flow of the game.

  5. jon abbey

    Will the Thrill:
    Eh not really feeling Davis at all in this one. I know Lin hasn’t been good either but he just seems more in control.

    apples and oranges, Baron may be super rusty still, but no one took the ball away from him in the backcourt for an easy layup at least.

  6. limpidgimp

    The officiating seems to have favored the Heat in general.
    And it’s the first time I’ve seen a double technical foul called. That seemed overly punitive. Especially since Chandler did seem to have been fouled going up.

  7. jon abbey

    GoKnicksGo: I’m impressed by our defense, the Knicks have a chance if we can keep this up, the key will be the endurance factor though…they have a better starting 5, but we have a better bench.

    they have a pretty damn good bench too, best team in the league right now pretty handily.

  8. Owen Post author

    I think now is the moment to mention that Novak’s three point fg% is higher than Melo’s fg percentage….

  9. ess-dog

    daaarn:
    Am I the only one who holds their breath whenever Jeffries goes up for a shot?

    I know, but I think he’s actually getting better!

  10. TheXman

    DRed:
    Amare is having a very nice game for a man I advocated trading 2 hours ago.

    Standard plays like snatching that rebound I’m not happy for. Not sure if I’ve lowered expectations that much. Novak has just been fucking great, who can outwhite the other vs. wannabee Mike Miller.

  11. Will the Thrill

    It seems like it either goes in, or barely grazes the rim when he shoots his jumpers.

    daaarn:
    Am I the only one who holds their breath whenever Jeffries goes up for a shot?

  12. Doug

    daaarn:
    Am I the only one who holds their breath whenever Jeffries goes up for a shot?

    What was your reaction last season? Panic attacks?

  13. GoKnicksGo

    We are out rebounding the Heat. Its not pretty basketball but this is how you have to beat a team like the heat. Play good D, if they make tough shots then so be it, but limit their possessions to one. Stay close, then Lin and Melo can go off in the 4th and have a shootout. We gotta stop trying for the home run plays.

  14. Sugarjesus

    look, let’s be honest – Stat is a shadow of himself last season, but taking the contact from Bosh and dunking on him – that is straight up prison inmate sh!t. Bosh just got punked. He is probably putting on lipstick right now.

  15. GoKnicksGo

    People gotta start believing…these Knicks are for real. They came to play…not to mention they just got done with a game yesterday.

  16. Owen Post author

    Jeremy is unfortunately being exposed as a college shooting guard tonight…..

    Still, he wouldn’t be the first guard to struggle against this defense….

  17. TheXman

    AMARE BACK, why do i get nervous when Lin brings the ball up. Looks like he’s going to cough it up each time. Sad to say this, but they might be better with Baron out there, as long as Baron doesn’t shoot. Lin may be overwhelmed right now.

  18. jon abbey

    D’Antoni needs to pair Smith with Lin more in this one, they can’t swarm Lin nearly as much if Smith is out there instead of Fields.

  19. daaarn

    ess-dog: They are really gunning for him, you can tell.

    Yeah, I just keep telling myself that he’s still basically a rookie in terms of the number of games he’s played so far.

  20. TheXman

    jon abbey:
    D’Antoni needs to pair Smith with Lin more in this one, they can’t swarm Lin nearly as much if Smith is out there instead of Fields.

    True there smith is a better ball handler.

  21. Bruno Almeida

    Miami simply outworking us now, this is pathetic, we should be the ones trying harder to prove ourselves

  22. Bruno Almeida

    jon abbey:
    Lin looks terrible, get Baron back in there for the last 3:30.

    and sit Melo, for god’s sake, at least Novak hits threes consistently.

  23. jon abbey

    so, Melo and Lin have done nothing combined and somehow we’re right in this. this team really has incredible potential if they ever fire on all cylinders.

  24. Will the Thrill

    Probably both. Miami is all about stopping Lin, but it doesn’t matter if we keep this defense up.

    ess-dog:
    Is Lin being exposed or is he just tired?

  25. Doug

    It’s cool, guys. Lin will go though his halftime ritual of WATCHING SOME FILM and come out a house of fire.

  26. Gamecockerbocker

    So that Jeffries pin on the backboard was definitely a goaltend to the refs but they don’t even look at the Anthony pin?

  27. TheXman

    Lin looks just totally out of it, I guess he’s due for a bad game. But wow, I hope he doesn’t lose confidence after this jeezus.

  28. daaarn

    Bruno Almeida:
    Miami simply outworking us now, this is pathetic, we should be the ones trying harder to prove ourselves

    I know I’m being petty, but it’s sad that it takes a team that’s barely played altogether this season to make the Heat try this hard from the get go.

  29. Bruno Almeida

    ess-dog:
    Is Lin being exposed or is he just tired?

    he’s facing an absolutely incredible defense trying their absolute hardest to murder him.

    he has been doing an adequate job, imo, _______ would have already crapped his pants by now with this kind of pressure.

  30. llcoolbp

    Lin is going to have to weather this test. They came out to really bully him tonight. Only down by one. Davis should play. Let Lin rest till the second half. We’ll still need him today. Looking at wade and lebron, I marvel at them. How they didn’t win last year is a miracle.

  31. steveoh

    Every time Lin plays, he learns something. We’ve been lucky in that he’s been able to learn on the fly, in game, and been spectacular.

    This one might not work like that. It’ll make him a better player, and he’ll be better prepared next time, but sheesh. We should have expected this. They shut down good players even when they’re not targeting like this.

  32. Will the Thrill

    Is there a reason Amare doesn’t post up? It seems like when he does he always gets a basket.

  33. Bruno Almeida

    how in hell was that not a tech for hanging on the rim, and Chandler got t’d up for much less?

  34. jon abbey

    Bruno Almeida:
    how in hell was that not a tech for hanging on the rim, and Chandler got t’d up for much less?

    they stopped calling that idiocy about a year ago, thankfully.

  35. daaarn

    Bruno Almeida:
    how in hell was that not a tech for hanging on the rim, and Chandler got t’d up for much less?

    I was actually about to ask about that. He was fricking rocking back and forth on that. I know you can hang to avoid people below but that was just showboating.

  36. Degree_Absolute

    Also, Marv Albert and Reggie Miller are horrible. The way they are going on and on about the Heat, you would think they are up 20.

  37. Bruno Almeida

    Degree_Absolute:
    Also, Marv Albert and Reggie Miller are horrible.The way they are going on and on about the Heat, you would think they are up 20.

    they are pathetic, that’s for sure.

    Amare’s defense has been much better today, that I have to admit.

  38. ess-dog

    Really the Heat are just ungodly. How do they not win it all this year? Wade looks better than ever and LBJ can really just do anything he wants out there.

  39. Thomas B.

    Stat reminds me of Ash’s Charizard. Remember how Charizard would never try his best until he thought he faced a worthy challenge? Stat is playing this game like it is worthy of his best.

    Now if only Lin would stop playing like a level 5 Jigglypuff.

  40. Degree_Absolute

    The Heat are amazing and the Knicks are “fortunate”? Eff this. Thank Jebus for the mute button.

  41. Bruno Almeida

    ess-dog:
    Really the Heat are just ungodly.How do they not win it all this year?Wade looks better than ever and LBJ can really just do anything he wants out there.

    I have the same feeling, they seem to be far and away the best team, the only way they lose is if James is indeed a choker who can’t win.

  42. Gamecockerbocker

    Thomas B.:
    Stat reminds me of Ash’s Charizard.Remember how Charizard would never try his best until he thought he faced a worthy challenge? Stat is playing this game like it is worthy of his best.

    Now if only Lin would stop playing like a level 5 Jigglypuff.

    +infinity

  43. jon abbey

    ess-dog:
    Really the Heat are just ungodly.How do they not win it all this year?Wade looks better than ever and LBJ can really just do anything he wants out there.

    he seems to forget that in June sometimes, but otherwise, yeah.

  44. thyrdrail

    i think all this global media attention and all the stupid things about the racist remarks and all the pressure everyone relying on him has finally gotten to lin. it’s amazing he’s been able to withstand it this long.

  45. llcoolbp

    Degree_Absolute:
    Don’t you get a T for swinging around on the rim.Fuck Lebron.

    He is the chosen one. They won’t t him. Chandler is a lunch pale player. That is why I can’t stand the NBA sometimes. Stars get way too much leeway. Unless they are from ny, then the ny bias comes into play.

  46. Degree_Absolute

    Thomas B.:
    Stat reminds me of Ash’s Charizard.Remember how Charizard would never try his best until he thought he faced a worthy challenge? Stat is playing this game like it is worthy of his best.

    Now if only Lin would stop playing like a level 5 Jigglypuff.

    *shakes head* :)

  47. TheXman

    Chalmers is cocking Lin I’m sure. I just hope the Knicks win even if they stopped Linsanity, it’s the W that counts mother fucking Heat. I hope that team literally catches Heat and just burns to the ground, fuck them all.

    Amare has been great this game, glad to have you back!! Active hands and getting rebounds, big block. Ssad to say, I think we need Baron in there, he’s managing the game better.

  48. David Crockett

    Thomas B.:

    Now if only Lin would stop playing like a level 5 Jigglypuff.

    Hard to imagine he wouldn’t struggle against this defense. Part of the issue with the turnovers, frankly, is that he’s not ball strong — at least not as ball strong as he will be.

    This is the kind of game where we really need Baron and JR to be right, along with Lin.

    And that’s no insult. This Miami team is about as likely as any to win a ring this year.

  49. Bruno Almeida

    Doug: Reggie Miller should says he’s “fortunate” too, but he’s Reggie Miller so he won’t.

    yeah, Miller is the worst, he does the same thing every time, keep singing Miami’s praises and screaming stupidly at every LBJ dunk, it’s irritating, specially when we’re spoiled by Breen and Clyde’s awesomeness.

  50. GoKnicksGo

    Considering how many turnovers we have and being only down 3 points, it not “fortune”, it’s not luck, we are playing really good defense on the best team in the NBA. As long as different guys step up, the Knicks can win. Everyone has the Jordan syndrome were everyone is obsessed about one player whether it’s Lin or Melo or Stat. One person is not going win or lose this game. They all need to continue to play defense and they all to hit shots.

  51. Z

    Damn, this game is being played right now.. Do me a favor. Someone write WATCH THIS GAME in 45 minutes if it’s worth scrounging around for for a TV with TNT. Got it? Good. See you in 45…

  52. Bruno Almeida

    Matt Park:
    Is it just me or are the Knicks not running a lot of pick-and-rolls with Lin and Stoudemire?

    Miami is by far the best pick and roll defense in the NBA, it’s pretty impossible to keep working the p’n'r 50% of the time Lin is in the court, which had been our average so far.

  53. jon abbey

    no one gets Td for hanging on the rim anymore, thankfully. that was blatant, but still, if you don’t like it, don’t let the other team dunk.

  54. jon abbey

    JR Smith with only one shot in 13 minutes, it’s stunning that I’m saying this but he needs to be more selfish.

  55. TheXman

    We just need to hang around and hang around, and hope for a final push. It’s absorbing the blows, then hopefully surprising them when the Heat choke in the final minutes.

  56. Bruno Almeida

    jon abbey:
    JR Smith with only one shot in 13 minutes, it’s stunning that I’m saying this but he needs to be more selfish.

    Smith is a much better fit for this game than Fields, we need the spacing he provides, he should play all crunch time minutes.

  57. GoKnicksGo

    Actually the refs are pretty consistent and if anything, favoring Knicks(6PF)<Heat(12). Yeah they got some home cooking fouls like the tech against Changler but at least it wasnt like the Nets game.

  58. EB

    I think Lin looks markedly worse on the end of back to backs. I think that is part of the reason he’s struggling tonight, that and the miami defense is too quick for him.

  59. gregor.samsa

    When Novak’s shooting well I’d like to see him on the court as long as there’s someone he can reasonably guard on the other end (e.g. Miller or Battier).

    Even when he’s not taking shots the spacing he provides is valuable.

  60. TheXman

    EB:
    I think Lin looks markedly worse on the end of back to backs. I think that is part of the reason he’s struggling tonight, that and the miami defense is too quick for him.

    When was the last time he played a back to back? Against the Nets after the Mavs? Lin also had to go back in and play the 4th quarter last night.

  61. TheXman

    GoKnicksGo:
    Actually the refs are pretty consistent and if anything, favoring Knicks(6PF)<Heat(12).Yeah they got some home cooking fouls like the tech against Changler but at least it wasnt like the Nets game.

    DWade, Bosh and Chalmers have 2 fouls a piece. Need to get them in foul trouble.

  62. Bruno Almeida

    gregor.samsa:
    When Novak’s shooting well I’d like to see him on the court as long as there’s someone he can reasonably guard on the other end (e.g. Miller or Battier).

    Even when he’s not taking shots the spacing he provides is valuable.

    we can hide him on Joel Anthony if we play him at PF

  63. DaniD

    Can’t believe they are with this team with Lin non-existant and all of the TOs. Melos shot is starting to come back. Stat is actually playing D. Novak should shoot every time he touches the ball.

  64. limpidgimp

    Not just food porn at half time – it’s a long ad for that amusement park.

    Lin looks shaken up by the turnovers. Unlike previous games, he has frequently stopped his dribble, as if afraid to lose the ball. After which, he looks lost out there waiting to find someone to pass it off to.

  65. GoKnicksGo

    Lin needs understand when he has Novak and JR, spreading the floor, then he can penetrate and pass to the interior. If they’re not out, then he has to kick it out and not try to force it in. I’d say 75% of his mistakes are forcing it inside and either it gets picked off or the bigs get stripped right after. 25% the guards on Miami are just brutal and there’s nothing you can do about get your pockets picked from the blindside.

  66. ruruland

    Bruno Almeida: Smith is a much better fit for this game than Fields, we need the spacing he provides, he should play all crunch time minutes.

    He’s a better defensive match-up. Fields has missed 3-4 chippies so far, could be having a really good game.

    melo was fouled on his first two drives and his numbers would look a lot different if the early whistle wasn’t so bad.

    Hope people understand that this is clearly the most difficult test the Knicks will face all year.. The Heat are playing this game with a playoff-level vendetta, great energy up from everyone on that team.. The Heat are the rested team, one that’s been together many more months than this current Knicks version (which hasn’t even practiced together yet)

    Just staying in this game would be quite the statement for the Knicks potential.

  67. jon abbey

    Lin will be fine, he just picked the wrong game to have his first dud of the year, and there’s still another half to go.

  68. EB

    TheXman: When was the last time he played a back to back? Against the Nets after the Mavs? Lin also had to go back in and play the 4th quarter last night.

    Against Jersey and against Minnesota he struggled. The other back to back ended against Sacramento when he scored only 10 points, albeit efficiently, though we did just blow them out

  69. llcoolbp

    Guys Lin is rattled. It happens to 23 year olds with only 10 starts against the best team in the NBA with the best defense. He’ll step up in the second half.

  70. ruruland

    jon abbey: Lin will be fine, he just picked the wrong game to have his first dud of the year, and there’s still another half to go.

    Dud? It’s ball pressure he’s never seen in his life before. anthony plays the screen game as well as anyone. Chalmers is a great defensive pg.

    It’s new territory.

  71. Will the Thrill

    He’s definitely having a dud game.

    ruruland: Dud? It’s ball pressure he’s never seen in his life before. anthony plays the screen game as well as anyone. Chalmers is a great defensive pg.

    It’s new territory.

  72. Gamecockerbocker

    I think the no call on possible charge/blocks pisses me off more than anything in the nba. If there’s contact it’s a foul. One way ore the other…

  73. jon abbey

    ruruland: Dud? It’s ball pressure he’s never seen in his life before. anthony plays the screen game as well as anyone. Chalmers is a great defensive pg.

    It’s new territory.

    um, 1-6 with 6 turnovers and 2 assists in a half is a dud, no matter the circumstances. let’s see how he does this half, but that first one was brutal.

  74. llcoolbp

    DaniD:
    I Hope Chandler puts an unnoticed elbow right to Lebrons face, wipe that dumb ass smile right off

    Actually if this was the old school NBA he already would have been put the floor for his swinging on the rim stunt in the first half. The pistons used to beat up jordan back in the day. The stars are pampered bitches now.

  75. ruruland

    Will the Thrill: He’s definitely having a dud game.

    To me dud implies underperformance relative to a known standard.

    This is unlike anything Lin’s seen before, thus we can’t look at it from the reference point of his previous games.

    So many great players, young players, first and second year guys, the biggest hurdle into superstardom is figuring out how to beat the elite defenses (or defensive match-ups).

    It’s a huge adjustment on many levels. Lin is a really smart guy who will figure it out. It’s a mental and physical adjustment,

  76. ruruland

    Nick C.: Geez it seems like every time Miami gets a steal for a break it turns into a run.

    Best defense to offense team in NBA history.

  77. Will the Thrill

    Yes I know he’s been great and will continue to be a good player after this game. It doesn’t change his play in this game.

    ruruland: To me dud implies underperformance relative to a known standard.

    This is unlike anything Lin’s seen before, thus we can’t look at it from the reference point of his previous games.

    So many great players, young players, first and second year guys, the biggest hurdle into superstardom is figuring out how to beat the elite defenses (or defensive match-ups).

    It’s a huge adjustment on many levels. Lin is a really smart guy who will figure it out. It’s a mental and physical adjustment,

  78. Bruno Almeida

    llcoolbp:
    This game might get out of hand here. Heat smell blood.

    yeah, getting the 6th seed is definitely a must, we’d get swept easily on a 7-game series against Miami.

  79. EB

    Bruno Almeida: yeah, getting the 6th seed is definitely a must, we’d get swept easily on a 7-game series against Miami.

    Are you watching the same game as I am? The Knicks are losing, but not by much.

  80. ruruland

    Bruno Almeida: yeah, getting the 6th seed is definitely a must, we’d get swept easily on a 7-game series against Miami.

    It’s amazing how prone to hyperbole people are on this board.

  81. EB

    ruruland: (Quote)

    I know after NJ its the end of the world trade everybody. After Hawks its we are playing for a championship. Losing by 9 to MIA we are clearly going to get swept by them in a playoff series.

  82. ruruland

    EB: I know after NJ its the end of the world trade everybody. After Hawks its we are playing for a championship. Losing by 9 to MIA we are clearly going to get swept by them in a playoff series.

    It’s a joke man.

  83. David Crockett

    ess-dog:
    Man, how do you defend that shot???

    If you’re talking about Wade’s post up — don’t foul and make it worse. (Though I didn’t see any contact myself.)

  84. TheXman

    ruruland:
    Stay within 6-8 pts heading into 4th quarter and you got a shot.

    This is what they need to do, just hang around and u never know what’s going to happen. They need to be Rocky. Chandler has been horrible on D vs. Bosh, sad to say.

  85. GoKnicksGo

    I think we can overtake the hawks. The key is that back to back we play them. If we win both, that will be an automatic, two game gain.

  86. Bruno Almeida

    ruruland: It’s amazing how prone to hyperbole people are on this board.

    we played Boston closely last year in the regular season and got swept anyway in the playoffs.

    why is it so absurd to say that a team that’s considerably better could do the same to us, even if we too are better?

  87. ruruland

    Miami overplays everything. Melo’s had 4-5 backdoor cuts where he was wide open. There have been others open too.

    The Knicks can make the Heat pay for being so aggressive the more reps they get against them.. Oh, and a few practices together might help too, though I know most of you don’t buy that practices matter.

  88. ruruland

    Bruno Almeida: we played Boston closely last year in the regular season and got swept anyway in the playoffs.why is it so absurd to say that a team that’s considerably better could do the same to us, even if we too are better?

    Jesus Christ man. Let’s watch game for now

  89. EB

    Bruno Almeida: we played Boston closely last year in the regular season and got swept anyway in the playoffs.

    why is it so absurd to say that a team that’s considerably better could do the same to us, even if we too are better?

    They’ve been playing together for a year and a half, us… like a week. Give it some time

  90. Bruno Almeida

    why do we even play Jeffries tonight?

    he’s not a good matchup defensively with anyone on the Heat and he’s a major liability on offense.

  91. jon abbey

    DaniD:
    Wow, it’s like they are just giving this game to the heat

    you mean the team who has been blowing out everyone they play lately? not so much.

  92. ess-dog

    The key for us now is the three bomb the Heat. They aren’t great from three and we could climb back in this. It’s our only shot.

  93. DaniD

    jon abbey: you mean the team who has been blowing out everyone they play lately? not so much.

    The Knicks can play with this team. They are giving them 2nd and 3rd opportunities at the basket. Thats unacceptable.

  94. jon abbey

    good D by Fields on LeBron there.

    and Fields on the other end, Baron creates so much space for his teammates when he’s on.

  95. ruruland

    No one is going to talk about the job Melo, Fields and JR have done in half court against Lebron, but he’s having one ofhis worst games of the year.

  96. jon abbey

    DaniD: The Knicks can play with this team. They are giving them 2nd and 3rd opportunities at the basket. Thats unacceptable.

    I’ve been a little disappointed with Chandler’s defensive rebounding this year, at least some of that is on him.

  97. jon abbey

    ruruland:
    No one is going to talk about the job Melo, Fields and JR have done in half court against Lebron, but he’s having one ofhis worst games of the year.

    heh, and he still has an outside shot at a quadruple double, 5 steals so far.

  98. DaniD

    jon abbey: I’ve been a little disappointed with Chandler’s defensive rebounding this year, at least some of that is on him.

    It looks like they are swatting at the ball instead of grabbing it. Or just trying to dribble it automatically if it hits the floor first. Its so annoying. Grab the ball, gather yourself and continue. Chandler is such a beast when he wants to be. There is no way this team should get a 3rd look at the basket.

  99. ess-dog

    jon abbey: heh, and he still has an outside shot at a quadruple double, 5 steals so far.

    I was just about to post that! He’s filling up the stat sheet.

  100. ruruland

    jon abbey: heh, and he still has an outside shot at a quadruple double, 5 steals so far.

    Right, it’s Lebron.

    Almost all of his damage has been in full-court off turnovers. Knicks have forced him into very difficult looks in half court.

    A lot of positives for me from the first three quarters.

  101. ruruland

    DaniD: It looks like they are swatting at the ball instead of grabbing it. Or just trying to dribble it automatically if it hits the floor first. Its so annoying. Grab the ball, gather yourself and continue. Chandler is such a beast when he wants to be. There is no way this team should get a 3rd look at the basket.

    Any sharp will tell you that the winning percentage for teams on b2b is around 25 percent.

    The energy deficit has a lot to do with the current score, it’s espeically clear with Chanlder and Fields, perhaps Lin as well.

  102. Bruno Almeida

    ruruland: Please tell me you’re joking.

    dude, you’re the one who’s joking if you think we realistically have a chance to beat this team in a 7-game series.

    they are on a totally different level, and you know why?

    you’ve been talking about the awesome job we’re doing at stopping LeBron, and yet he’s got 16 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 5 steals, 2 blocks and only 2 turnovers.

    why? because he plays like a true max superstar, and Wade is the same thing.

    on the other end, when the guy who gets paid the less money on our team struggles, we can’t win, because our two presumed superstars can’t carry this team.

  103. jon abbey

    ruruland: Any sharp will tell you that the winning percentage for teams on b2b is around 25 percent.

    I don’t think that’s true this year.

  104. ruruland

    Bruno Almeida: dude, you’re the one who’s joking if you think we realistically have a chance to beat this team in a 7-game series.they are on a totally different level, and you know why?you’ve been talking about the awesome job we’re doing at stopping LeBron, and yet he’s got 16 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 5 steals, 2 blocks and only 2 turnovers.why? because he plays like a true max superstar, and Wade is the same thing.on the other end, when the guy who gets paid the less money on our team struggles, we can’t win, because our two presumed superstars can’t carry this team.

    I have absolutely no respect for your opinion if you believe practice doesn’t matter. I already know Melo matches up individually with Lebron as well as anyone. Stat is coming back.

    I’m not saying they’ll beat the Heat in a series. it’s quite another to say they’ll easily get blown out in all four games.

    Frankly I’m done responding to you.

  105. Doug

    Bruno Almeida: dude, you’re the one who’s joking if you think we realistically have a chance to beat this team in a 7-game series.

    they are on a totally different level, and you know why?

    you’ve been talking about the awesome job we’re doing at stopping LeBron, and yet he’s got 16 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 5 steals, 2 blocks and only 2 turnovers.

    why? because he plays like a true max superstar, and Wade is the same thing.

    on the other end, when the guy who gets paid the less money on our team struggles, we can’t win, because our two presumed superstars can’t carry this team.

    Sunk cost, bro.

  106. DaniD

    JR Smith playing with some heart right now. He wants this bad. Wish everyone would be on that level. The last heat possession I watched Chandler as he watched the heat grab 2 offensive boards from underneath the basket. What is up with him? Wish he would be more aggressive.

  107. Bruno Almeida

    ruruland: I have absolutely no respect for your opinion if you believe practice doesn’t matter. I already know Melo matches up individually with Lebron as well as anyone. Stat is coming back.

    I’m not saying they’ll beat the Heat in a series. it’s quite another to say they’ll easily get blown out in all four games.

    Frankly I’m done responding to you.

    where have I said practice doesn’t matters?

    it does matter, all I’m saying is I don’t believe any amount of practice would make us better than the Heat, it’s simple, because they have two superstars that get paid LESS than our two superstars and yet, are substantially better players.

    it’s my opinion, teams with 2nd or 3rd tier superstars can’t win titles unless something really, REALLY bizarre happens.

  108. ruruland

    jon abbey: I don’t think that’s true this year.

    Right, because there are many more b2bs and team that aren’t coming into b2b still dealing with tough schedule.

    This is a classic 4 games in 5 nights b2b against relatively rested team (on homestand).

    Win percentage in those scenarios is extremely low and has been forever.

  109. ruruland

    Bruno Almeida: where have I said practice doesn’t matters?it does matter, all I’m saying is I don’t believe any amount of practice would make us better than the Heat, it’s simple, because they have two superstars that get paid LESS than our two superstars and yet, are substantially better players.it’s my opinion, teams with 2nd or 3rd tier superstars can’t win titles unless something really, REALLY bizarre happens.

    Then it looks like it’s time to stop posting and become a Heat fan.

  110. art vandelay

    miami just wants this more and is quicker to the ball tonight….knicks look really tired….chandler looks absolutely shot.

  111. Gamecockerbocker

    Somethig tells me chandlers still gonna get an A+ in the recap even though he’s let Bosh maul him on offense and given up way too many rebounds.

  112. ruruland

    DaniD: JR Smith playing with some heart right now. He wants this bad. Wish everyone would be on that level. The last heat possession I watched Chandler as he watched the heat grab 2 offensive boards from underneath the basket. What is up with him? Wish he would be more aggressive.

    Have you guys watched a full 82-game season before?

  113. Bruno Almeida

    ruruland: Then it looks like it’s time to stop posting and become a Heat fan.

    oh, that’s awesome, but weren’t you a Nuggets fan who switched to the Knicks? nice.

    can’t I cheer for a team and still notice it has flaws?

    I’m a Mets fan, so should I think they’ll win the world series with a pathetic roster, just because I’m a fan and I should root no matter what?

    I root no matter what for the Knicks, but why can’t I cheer and be critical at the same time? Obviously I hope this team wins a championship, I just don’t see it happening when I think objectively.

  114. David Crockett

    Gamecockerbocker:
    Somethig tells me chandlers still gonna get an A+ in the recap even though he’s let Bosh maul him on offense and given up way too many rebounds.

    Why give our recap guys snark?

  115. Business Socks

    There’s a lid on the basket for Lin tonight. He can’t buy a bucket. The Heat defense has also sapped all of his confidence.

  116. ruruland

    Bruno Almeida: oh, that’s awesome, but weren’t you a Nuggets fan who switched to the Knicks? nice.can’t I cheer for a team and still notice it has flaws?I’m a Mets fan, so should I think they’ll win the world series with a pathetic roster, just because I’m a fan and I should root no matter what?I root no matter what for the Knicks, but why can’t I cheer and be critical at the same time? Obviously I hope this team wins a championship, I just don’t see it happening when I think objectively.

    I wouldn’t say I switched as much as gotten as far away from fans like yourself as I can.

    I have ridiculous amount of history as a fan with the Nuggets but I’m not just a laundry-worshipper, either.

  117. xcat01

    I was so excited for this game but the Heat have too much for the Knicks tonight. A combination of tired legs and JLin being a little overwhelmed. It will be good for JLin to have a game like this so he can learn before the Knicks start the push right after the all-star break.

  118. DaniD

    TheXman: Lin looking scared picking up his dribble, then not looking for the open man

    Usually Lin is very good at keeping his dribble. I dont know whats up with him tonight. He continually picks his dribble up especially when they are about to trap him. He def looks scared tonight. Once he gets across half court he passes almost immediately.

  119. ruruland

    jon abbey: in a thread with a lot of dumb posts, you win the award for the dumbest, kudos.

    Agreed, at least in it being a dumb comment. A lot of encouraging things from BD again tonight. End result not quite there though.

  120. Will the Thrill

    Tell me one thing Baron brought to the game tonight that Duhon couldn’t bring.

    jon abbey: in a thread with a lot of dumb posts, you win the award for the dumbest, kudos.

  121. BigBlueAL

    I think its safe to say tonight is not a good time to make a fair judgement on what this Knick team is capable of doing for the rest of this season.

  122. David Crockett

    One thing to remember…

    The Heat have hit a LOT of their mid-range jumpers tonight. They don’t do that every night regardless of opponent.

  123. ruruland

    xcat01: I was so excited for this game but the Heat have too much for the Knicks tonight. A combination of tired legs and JLin being a little overwhelmed. It will be good for JLin to have a game like this so he can learn before the Knicks start the push right after the all-star break.

    My biggest concern from tonight was his extremely poor floor visison.

    They flustered him and he’s played blind.

  124. Bruno Almeida

    ruruland: I wouldn’t say I switched as much as gotten as far away from fans like yourself as I can.

    I have ridiculous amount of history as a fan with the Nuggets but I’m not just a laundry-worshipper, either.

    well, the nicest thing about this blog is that people who post here are critical thinkers, that’s why the focus is on advanced stats… if the idea was for everybody to be blind fans who keep repeating the same mantras over and over again, then why bother?

    you have an opinion, I definitely disagree, what’s wrong with that?

    so everybody that disagrees with you should leave and “become a Heat fan”?

  125. jon abbey

    Bruno Almeida:
    so everybody that disagrees with you should leave and “become a Heat fan”?

    no, but talking about playoff sweeps is idiotic. there’s a long long way to go until then.

  126. EB

    Bruno Almeida: people who post here are critical thinkers, that’s why the focus is on advanced stats…

    Yes and all to basketball is those advanced stats, there is nothing else that can happen in a basketball game that can change those statistics. We might as well give up right now against any team that has better advanced stats than we do.

  127. themark

    good try knicks. the heat definitely are the better team right now but hopefully the knicks can get some reps together during the break. we looked pretty lost out there and muscle memory was not enough.

  128. Bruno Almeida

    jon abbey: no, but talking about playoff sweeps is idiotic. there’s a long long way to go until then.

    and to keep repeating Landry Fields should be out of the rotation when he’s playing really well lately is what?

  129. art vandelay

    so amare took 8 shots last night and only 7 tonight (I think maybe 1 in the 2nd half)…..I think there may be something wrong with our shot distribution and allocation of touches.

  130. ruruland

    Bruno Almeida: well, the nicest thing about this blog is that people who post here are critical thinkers, that’s why the focus is on advanced stats… if the idea was for everybody to be blind fans who keep repeating the same mantras over and over again, then why bother?you have an opinion, I definitely disagree, what’s wrong with that?so everybody that disagrees with you should leave and “become a Heat fan”?

    Not even close. Nothing you presented was anything close to semi-intilligent. Yes, you essentially said practice is inconsequential.

    This is going to turn into another week of we need to trade Melo and Amar’e and Lin and Chandler blah blah blah.

    Anything you said about the difference in stars could have been said before the game, and it’s truly the mantra of the insufferable on this board.

    Done with you.

  131. DaniD

    They looked like a different team in the second half. A lot of open looks were missed. Novak didnt get enough touches. Lin couldnt buy a basket but I think he’ll learn a lot from this game.

  132. jon abbey

    Bruno Almeida: and to keep repeating Landry Fields should be out of the rotation when he’s playing really well lately is what?

    common sense once Shumpert’s back.

  133. ruruland

    art vandelay: so amare took 8 shots last night and only 7 tonight (I think maybe 1 in the 2nd half)…..I think there may be something wrong with our shot distribution and allocation of touches.

    The problem was floor visison from Lin. Amar’e was open quite a few times. So far, it’s quite the anamoly.

  134. Shad0wF0x

    How can anyone be sad after this game? The Heat are just amazing. It’s losses to the Bobcats and the Nets that make me wanna shoot things.

  135. TheXman

    It was going from bad to worse, Lin just made one bad decision after another. He was shooting when he shouldn’t, he didn’t pass then shot. I hope this doesn’t shatter his confidence. He started the game great, 2 assists on the first 2 possessions, then just got fucked up.

    Also can’t place all the blame on Lin, Melo was fucking awful shooting. 7/20 from our SUPERSTAR, how is that acceptable?

  136. jon abbey

    Fields is 4-23 from 3 point range in his last 13 games, it’s a lot easier to doubleteam the point when the SG is incapable of burning you from 3. a few slashes per game does not constitute “playing really well”, and I’d like to know how many of his boards are off his own misses (I think 3 tonight).

  137. Bruno Almeida

    ruruland: Not even close. Nothing you presented was anything close to semi-intilligent. Yes, you essentially said practice is inconsequential.

    This is going to turn into another week of we need to trade Melo and Amar’e and Lin and Chandler blah blah blah.

    Anything you said about the difference in stars could have been said before the game, and it’s truly the mantra of the insufferable on this board.

    Done with you.

    all right, you’re a genius, I’m stupid, and this team will surely win a title.

    thank you for allowing us to read your incredibly smart opinions.

  138. GoKnicksGo

    If we are going to beat the knicks, Melo, Stat and Lin are going to be at their best. We play the bulls three more times and the Heat once more. We lost the game in the third quarter…and it wasnt a blowout…you can tell they just couldnt sustain intensity needed to play shutdown defense and breakthough Miami’s offense. Lot of positives and a lot of room for improvement. Two weeks ago nobody could have seen this team competing with the Heat. This was a realistic, albeit disappointing start…but remember what matters is the playoffs.

  139. jon abbey

    plenty of blame to go around, but a great few weeks. looking forward to seeing this team after they get some practices in before the next game…

  140. Brian Cronin

    End of the day, whatever, dudes had terrible games. It’s just one game, though. Lin and Davis were awful. Melo didn’t have a great game. Chandler and Jeffries were disappointing. Smith was good. Novak was great. Fields was mediocre. STAT needed the ball more. This was not a microcosm of the Knicks season.

  141. The Infamous Cdiggy

    EB: I know after NJ its the end of the world trade everybody. After Hawks its we are playing for a championship. Losing by 9 to MIA we are clearly going to get swept by them in a playoff series.

    Some people just need to have a Coke and a smile and chill out. Knicks are FAR from a finished product. Miami looks quite cohesive and GOOD LORD are they quick! Someone said we were out-rebounding Miami in the first half but I’ve seen too many 2nd-chance points in the 2nd half.

    As far as Lin goes, it’s a dud-game, but you definitely need to qualify it by saying this is the best (and quickest) perimeter defense the Knicks have played BY FAR, and they were gunning for regardless of whatever Spoelstra says. Hell, even Knick-hater Barkley says he’s giving Lin a pass… think about that.

    Speaking of TNT’s halftime report, they way they showed all pro-Miami highlights, you’da thought they were up by 12 or 15, not just 4.

  142. TheXman

    GoKnicksGo:
    If we are going to beat the knicks, Melo, Stat and Lin are going to be at their best.We play the bulls three more times and the Heat once more.We lost the game in the third quarter…and it wasnt a blowout…you can tell they just couldnt sustain intensity needed to play shutdown defense and breakthough Miami’s offense.Lot of positives and a lot of room for improvement.Two weeks ago nobody could have seen this team competing with the Heat.This was a realistic, albeit disappointing start…but remember what matters is the playoffs.

    Need to make the playoffs first by the way, that’s not even guaranteed

  143. Bruno Almeida

    jon abbey:
    Fields is 4-23 from 3 point range in his last 13 games, it’s a lot easier to doubleteam the point when the SG is incapable of burning you from 3. a few slashes per game does not constitute “playing really well”, and I’d like to know how many of his boards are off his own misses (I think 3 tonight).

    I don’t love Fields either and I’ve been very critical of him, but he has been playing better lately (even though his 3 pt shooting is wretched and I agree with you that that’s a problem)… and we have to consider the fact that he has a very low salary and could easily be resigned, which can’t be said about J.R Smith.

    Smith is much better than Fields imo, but I don’t think it’s likely we can keep him, and we can resign Fields easily.

  144. ess-dog

    I think a day’s rest, a healthy Shump and another 6 games together, and we’ll see a much closer game between these teams.

    I mean the Heat shot 50%. 50 pts in the paint. They were playing full throttle and we were a bit shorthanded and still integrating Stat and Melo. Lin’s play was disconcerting but getting Baron some reps will help him.

    A few other good things:

    - Eddy Curry didn’t play
    - Bill Walker didn’t play again (I think he’s done)
    - Stat’s looking a bit looser, even though he still can’t shoot

  145. GoKnicksGo

    Bosh plays more like a small forward. Chandler is not comfortable defending outside the paint. need either Amare or fields on bosh. Hopefully D’antoni realizes this from the tape. I think he was the one guy that we couldnt defend well. We keep Lebron and Wade in check all night. Sure they had the occasional fast breaks, but neither dropped 30 on us.

  146. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Brian Cronin:
    End of the day, whatever, dudes had terrible games. It’s just one game, though. Lin and Davis were awful. Melo didn’t have a great game. Chandler and Jeffries were disappointing. Smith was good. Novak was great. Fields was mediocre. STAT needed the ball more. This was not a microcosm of the Knicks season.

    cosign. let the guys get some rest and a few practices in during the break and load up for the 2nd half of the season.

  147. ruruland

    TheXman: It was going from bad to worse, Lin just made one bad decision after another. He was shooting when he shouldn’t, he didn’t pass then shot. I hope this doesn’t shatter his confidence. He started the game great, 2 assists on the first 2 possessions, then just got fucked up. Also can’t place all the blame on Lin, Melo was fucking awful shooting. 7/20 from our SUPERSTAR, how is that acceptable?

    Can’t have it both ways. I thought he was nowhere near a superstar, a guy who will play like this the rest of his Knicks career and needs to be traded for expiring contracts as soon as possible……

    You can’t get mad when he plays like this, extenuating circumstances be damned because he’s not even a good player.

    LEt the let’s trade everyone-talk commence on the high-falutent board.

  148. jon abbey

    Bruno Almeida: I don’t love Fields either and I’ve been very critical of him, but he has been playing better lately (even though his 3 pt shooting is wretched and I agree with you that that’s a problem)… and we have to consider the fact that he has a very low salary and could easily be resigned, which can’t be said about J.R Smith.

    Smith is much better than Fields imo, but I don’t think it’s likely we can keep him, and we can resign Fields easily.

    whether or not this is true, it doesn’t matter. this team needs to play to win this season, this is not a long-term building project right now.

  149. Juany8

    Fields hasn’t been playing that well lately. Occasionally having a good drive to the rim is nice, but the Knicks need a shooting guard who can play defense and shoot 3′s and Fields can’t do either. Him passing up open 3′s is worse than Shumpert or Smith missing open ones. So is he getting continuously lost on defense. He’s been decent, but we have enough players to certainly consider benching him in a tight rotation, he’s not better than Shumpert, Davis (give his shot a few games), JR or Novak.

  150. TheXman

    It’s just disconcerting to see Lin be so good, then be so bad. I thought he would never get rattled or shaken, but wow he just looked really lost and scared out there. I wished he just kept attacking and play his game, and not worry about making mistakes. That’s what he’s been doing the past 2 weeks, hope he doesn’t lose the confidence.

    Beat the Cavs next week please.

  151. er

    Ok but the pg can’t have 3 assists and 8 tos

    TheXman:
    It was going from bad to worse, Lin just made one bad decision after another.He was shooting when he shouldn’t, he didn’t pass then shot.I hope this doesn’t shatter his confidence.He started the game great, 2 assists on the first 2 possessions, then just got fucked up.

    Also can’t place all the blame on Lin, Melo was fucking awful shooting.7/20 from our SUPERSTAR, how is that acceptable?

  152. ruruland

    The Infamous Cdiggy: cosign. let the guys get some rest and a few practices in during the break and load up for the 2nd half of the season.

    What are you talking about? There’s a clear trajectory established after this game and the Knicks will be lucky to make the postseason

  153. The Infamous Cdiggy

    TheXman: Need to make the playoffs first by the way, that’s not even guaranteed

    Yes, but let’s not be too pessimistic. Currently seeded 7th, with Atlanta and Philly(4th seed) within shouting distance.

  154. ruruland

    er: Ok but the pg can’t have 3 assists and 8 tos

    And go 1-11….You can’t blame Lin you can only give him all the credit. Never forget how this works.

  155. BigBlueAL

    jon abbey: whether or not this is true, it doesn’t matter. this team needs to play to win this season, this is not a long-term building project right now.

    The Knicks have a 3 year window left after this season with Melo/Amar’e/Chandler all signed for that amount of time. Lin/Fields/Shump are very young players. Heck throw in guys like Jorts and TD too. The Knicks best days I hope/assume will be in the next 3 seasons not this season. To me the future is pretty bright right now.

  156. Bruno Almeida

    jon abbey: whether or not this is true, it doesn’t matter. this team needs to play to win this season, this is not a long-term building project right now.

    I agree, but how can a team that has been scrambled together fit during this particular season?

    if all we need is practice, and yet we need to be on “win now” mode, we’re screwed in a lockout season anyway.

  157. er

    He didn’t really play in the second half tho..I wonder y?

    Brian Cronin: True, but come on. Lin and Melo were bricking jumper after jumper when they should have been getting the ball to Amar’e.

  158. Juany8

    One positive thing to take away about this game is that before the 4th quarter, our half court defense on the heat was incredible. They were getting everything off second chance points and fast break points, pretty much everything they were shooting were contested jump shots until late in the 4th.

  159. ruruland

    Brian Cronin: True, but come on. Lin and Melo were bricking jumper after jumper when they should have been getting the ball to Amar’e.

    Melo/ Amar’e Pnr doesn;t work because Amar’e sets poor screens.

    I have no idea why Lin played blind tonight. He missed so many open guys it was actually kind of disturbing. The plays were there to be had.

  160. TheXman

    er:
    Ok but the pg can’t have 3 assists and 8 tos

    If it weren’t for him the past 2 weeks, this season would’ve been lost btw. Let’s put it in perspective, I just hope he comes back strong next week.

  161. GoKnicksGo

    Knicks…have to play a slightly different style against Miami. Still have plenty more matchups until June so…looking forward to how the Knicks become. They need to be more versatile offensively.

  162. BigBlueAL

    Brian Cronin: True, but come on. Lin and Melo were bricking jumper after jumper when they should have been getting the ball to Amar’e.

    True, but in fairness I dont think many of Lin’s and Melo’s shots were bad. Melo late in the game took a couple of forced jumpers and Lin shot a couple of ugly floaters that seemed unnecessary but for the most part I thought their shots came in the flow of the offense. Granted it was a pretty ugly flow lol

  163. The Infamous Cdiggy

    TheXman:
    It’s just disconcerting to see Lin be so good, then be so bad.I thought he would never get rattled or shaken, but wow he just looked really lost and scared out there.I wished he just kept attacking and play his game, and not worry about making mistakes.That’s what he’s been doing the past 2 weeks, hope he doesn’t lose the confidence…

    Heat have the two PREMIERE perimeter defenders in Wade and LeBron, plus a good defensive PG in Chalmers. Someone also said the Heat defend the pick-n-roll really well. It’ll be a learning experience for Lin… Let’s chill out a bit.

    P.S. Lin should def tighten that handle during the offseason.

  164. ruruland

    Juany8: One positive thing to take away about this game is that before the 4th quarter, our half court defense on the heat was incredible. They were getting everything off second chance points and fast break points, pretty much everything they were shooting were contested jump shots until late in the 4th.

    Give me a break man the HEat dominated every facet of the game.

  165. Brian Cronin

    One positive thing to take away about this game is that before the 4th quarter, our half court defense on the heat was incredible. They were getting everything off second chance points and fast break points, pretty much everything they were shooting were contested jump shots until late in the 4th.

    Yeah, as others mentioned, the triumverate of Smith/Fields/Melo did a good job making James and Wade really work for their baskets. Another reason that Lin and Melo really should not have been taking so many jumpers was that their bricks were coming right back for fast breaks points, which was where they really killed the Knicks.

  166. ephus

    Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose, sometimes it rains. Just chalk this one up to experience and move on to the second half of the season.

    I am still so excited for the prospects for this team. I think that the Knicks finish in the top 6 in the East and then win a first round series. Probably too much to expect a win over the Bulls or the Heat, but hope springs eternal.

  167. TheXman

    ruruland: and fast break points, pretty much everything they were shooting were contested jump shots until late in t

    Yea this was disturbing, ugh. Why was this going on? Where were all those crisp passes we were accustomed to? Even if his shot was off, he should still have the court vision.

  168. Frank O.

    I was excited for this game. But as time went on you could see this team is still not in sync.
    They haven’t practiced and over time that’s shows.
    Not going to make more of this than needed. Heat are in a different place. A lot of new pieces in the Knicks front nine.
    Six practices ahead. Watch out East.

  169. ruruland

    BigBlueAL: The Knicks have a 3 year window left after this season with Melo/Amar’e/Chandler all signed for that amount of time. Lin/Fields/Shump are very young players. Heck throw in guys like Jorts and TD too. The Knicks best days I hope/assume will be in the next 3 seasons not this season. To me the future is pretty bright right now.

    JR SMith is they key to having a chance to beat the HEat in that time frame. Have to get super-creative, likely outside of the CBA framework.

  170. d-mar

    I think STAT should have been guarding Bosh from the beginning. Not saying it would have changed the outcome, but Bosh got near the basket maybe once the whole game. It was all jumpers that were pretty wide open, maybe some of them were from LBJ penetrating and dishing, but Chandler on Bosh wasn’t working the whole game.

  171. GoKnicksGo

    ruruland: Melo/ Amar’e Pnr doesn;t work because Amar’e sets poor screens.

    I have no idea why Lin played blind tonight. He missed so many open guys it was actually kind of disturbing. The plays were there to be had.

    Juany8:
    One positive thing to take away about this game is that before the 4th quarter, our half court defense on the heat was incredible. They were getting everything off second chance points and fast break points, pretty much everything they were shooting were contested jump shots until late in the 4th.

    Juany8:
    One positive thing to take away about this game is that before the 4th quarter, our half court defense on the heat was incredible. They were getting everything off second chance points and fast break points, pretty much everything they were shooting were contested jump shots until late in the 4th.

    Yes, the defense was better than our offense tonight. Which is actually good going forward. It’s no surprise that the team struggled against that defense, but to contain wade and lebron like they did…it could of been a lot uglier.

  172. ruruland

    TheXman: Yea this was disturbing, ugh. Why was this going on? Where were all those crisp passes we were accustomed to? Even if his shot was off, he should still have the court vision.

    Flustered mentally. It happens. He’s a smart kid who needed this experience.

    But there were a lot of points, or rather, great looks left out on the floor.

    Playing crisp and cohesive in those circumstances demands a continuity and trust only cultivated out of hundreds of reps together.

  173. matte sideburns

    As much as we would have liked to win tonight, I’m pretty happy to have had the opportunity to assess ourselves against the best team in the NBA before the break. This should be a great learning experience, especially for Lin but also for the group as a whole. Now that we finally have the chance to get some practice time together, being able to do it armed with the knowledge of how we measure up to the best is surely a valuable thing.
    With our situation going into this game, it would have taken a few miracles to get everything to fall into place for us to win. I prefer the reality check that we can use going forward.

  174. EB

    Well except for some of us I think we can agree that the team is very talented and can compete with miami once we get enough time together. We lost because our TO’s led to easy points, but thats exactly whats most likely to improve if our team plays together more. Also we can expect Baron to only get better as the season goes on, hopefully when we really need him he won’t be shooting 0 for 7 anymore.

  175. Frank O.

    Bad games sure bring out the obnoxious in some folks.
    Some just want to go negative. But the fact is, Shump is out and he’s important.
    Davis hasn’t played five on five in 10 months.
    Melo was out for two weeks.
    Smith just arrived on a plane from China last weekend.
    State’s big brother died two weeks ago.
    Chandler is playing with a bad wrist.
    And Lin is averaging like 38 minutes a game over the last 11 and looked exhausted.
    This was going to be a tough game. The Knicks played a strong first half, turnovers aside.
    There is every reason to believe that once they all know each other, this is going to be a damn dangerous squad.
    All this silly piling on crap is just that.

  176. joe

    we dont have a personnel problem at all i saw no effort at all baron was playing around stat didnt even try i mean i could go on and on with the exception of Novak Lin(the defense just smoothered him) and melo (he didnt come up big but he tried) we had no chance at all the turn overs the lack of defense. i hope the allstar break does something like gives us a chance to see if we can deal stat………………..but yea if this is the effort we are consistently going to give we have no chance…

  177. The Infamous Cdiggy

    art vandelay:
    so amare took 8 shots last night and only 7 tonight (I think maybe 1 in the 2nd half)…..I think there may be something wrong with our shot distribution and allocation of touches.

    i agree… hopefully the coaching staff will catch that over the all-star break.

  178. ruruland

    Brian Cronin: Yeah, as others mentioned, the triumverate of Smith/Fields/Melo did a good job making James and Wade really work for their baskets. Another reason that Lin and Melo really should not have been taking so many jumpers was that their bricks were coming right back for fast breaks points, which was where they really killed the Knicks.

    There were forays at the basket early from Melo with no whistle. Same with Lin to a lesser extent.

    Lin is going to be the mostly responsible for managing Amar’e looks. One of Melo’s biggest responsiibilities is to create his own when the offense gets bogged down, which it obviously was with anything Lin was trying in PnR.

    When Melo’s shots start to sink, it’s really goinng to fall. Seen it too many times. Very difficult to watch it take so long to happen.

  179. er

    I agree with last two weeks but what does that have to do with tonight he and baron could not run the offense that’s why we lost …plain and simple… There was no flow and his Tos directly resulted in heat points….the heat half court offense was not impressive it was mostly points off TO and fast break

    TheXman: If it weren’t for him the past 2 weeks, this season would’ve been lost btw.Let’s put it in perspective, I just hope he comes back strong next week.

  180. jon abbey

    Frank O.:
    Bad games sure bring out the obnoxious in some folks.Some just want to go negative. But the fact is, Shump is out and he’s important.
    Davis hasn’t played five on five in 10 months.Melo was out for two weeks.
    Smith just arrived on a plane from China last weekend.
    State’s big brother died two weeks ago.
    Chandler is playing with a bad wrist.
    And Lin is averaging like 38 minutes a game over the last 11 and looked exhausted.
    This was going to be a tough game. The Knicks played a strong first half, turnovers aside.
    There is every reason to believe that once they all know each other, this is going to be a damn dangerous squad.
    All this silly piling on crap is just that.

    this sums it up very well, really looking forward to the second half. MIA/OKC/CHI are still the class of the league, but if this team keeps getting better, even they will not want to face NY in the playoffs.

  181. The Infamous Cdiggy

    er:
    I agree with last two weeks but what does that have to do with tonight he and baron could not run the offense that’s why we lost …plain and simple… There was no flow and his Tos directly resulted in heat points….the heat half court offense was not impressive it was mostly points off TO and fast break

    ummm did you see how the Heat defended on the perimeter tonight???

  182. ruruland

    Frank O.: Bad games sure bring out the obnoxious in some folks.Some just want to go negative. But the fact is, Shump is out and he’s important.Davis hasn’t played five on five in 10 months.Melo was out for two weeks.Smith just arrived on a plane from China last weekend.State’s big brother died two weeks ago.Chandler is playing with a bad wrist.And Lin is averaging like 38 minutes a game over the last 11 and looked exhausted.This was going to be a tough game. The Knicks played a strong first half, turnovers aside.There is every reason to believe that once they all know each other, this is going to be a damn dangerous squad.All this silly piling on crap is just that.

    Anyone with an above-room-temp IQ can see that. Problem is that many of the people on this board are like the reporters covering the team. That’s the only way this thing doesn’t come together,the media perpetually dividing and conquering the locker room until it starts to split.

  183. Frank O.

    I’ll remind everyone that Lin’s break out game came against Deron Williams, who is one of the best in the game,but was outplayed and played poorly.
    Great guards have bad games. It happens.
    A lot of babies being tossed with the bath water here.
    The Davis criticism is so off base it’s laughable.

  184. GoKnicksGo

    Miami’s defense is not going to change, but the Knicks got a good look at it tonight. A simple way to look at this is, no matter good a scissor is…it’s not going to cut rock. They are going to look at the tape…and figure out what works and what doesnt. What works against the Hawks is not going to work against the Heat. I think Lin wanted to play a certain style against the Heat, and it wasn’t working and he couldnt adjust. They are going to have to learn to shoot more from the perimeter, cause Miami is so good defending around the rim. Novak shooting 4/4 is a testament of what works.

  185. nicos

    Tough night. One thing is I’d like to see Amar’e get more burn with BD- While they’ve played well, I’m not super crazy about that BD, Smith, Fields, Novak, Jeffries unit. I’d like to see BD play with Amar’e as his screener rather than Jeffries- might help get them both going.

  186. Frank O.

    ruruland: Anyone with an above-room-temp IQ can see that. Problem is that many of the people on this board are like the reporters covering the team. That’s the only way this thing doesn’t come together,the media perpetually dividing and conquering the locker room until it starts to split.

    It feels like some very youthful bipolar tendencies, frankly. That’s okay. When I was in my teens and 20s I had Highs and lows. It happens.

  187. formido

    I would love to see Miami try to destroy the opposing team’s PG every game. I wonder how some other PGs would handle being the sole focus of Miami’s HOF caliber athleticism, length, and speed.

  188. Frank O.

    And make no mistake, we have never seen a team that jumps passing lanes, break out in transition or defend quite like this Heat team. They are way more balanced an last year. They have scorers all over the court, and they bring pressure consistently.
    Add to it the two most freakish ballets in the NBA and that’s a pretty challenging cocktail early in a truncated season when a lot of teams are still trying to figure themselves out with virtually no practice time.
    But what the Heat are now is who they will be at the end of the season.
    They cannot say that about the Knicks. Once they learto maximize their talents, the Heat will have trouble. Too many weapons on the Knicks.

  189. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    So many excuses. If he’s not ready to play basketball, he shouldn’t be playing basketball. Players come back from injuries all the time. David West destroyed his knee last year and started the season an above-average player.

    abbey, you ride Shumpert and Davis so hard it’s getting a little creepy. You can argue all you want about Shumpert’s defense, but his offense is bad enough to warrant him sitting the bench until garbage time. .450 TS% is awful. Baron Davis may be getting his reps with the team, but he hasn’t been good since 2008, and it’s unlikely he’s going to have some kind of career resurgence at age 33 with ball-stopping stars like Carmelo and Amar’e running the show.

    When this window of “opportunity” passes, you and the other apologists on this board will make excuses, but you’ll never admit that the players simply are not good enough to win the East. It has nothing to do with talent: Carmelo Anthony is a “gifted” scorer; Amar’e can jump high enough to dunk; Baron Davis has “swagger” or whatever you want to call it. It has to do with the ability to be a good basketball player. We have a lot of average basketball players. Your unbridled optimism in Baron Davis seems fanboyism more than anything else.

  190. Juany8

    Cmon formido, neither Wade or Lebron was the primary defender on Lin, let’s just accept he had an awful game and hope he learns from it and comes back better in the future. Although let’s also end the discussion of him being an all star level PG, he still has a lot of holes to his game, but he works hard and should continue to improve and play well.

  191. ruruland

    formido: I would love to see Miami try to destroy the opposing team’s PG every game. I wonder how some other PGs would handle being the sole focus of Miami’s HOF caliber athleticism, length, and speed.

    They were clearly as amped for that game as any they’ve played, and I;ve watched them a lot this year .

    They play with that kind of energy against most teams on 4 game 5 night, it’s going to be over at halftime.

    With the many opportunities left on the floor and everything else we’ve talked about should say a lot.

  192. formido

    Well, this game will probably take his PER out of All-Star level, so you win there. As long as his PER was All-Star caliber, the talk was justified. If it reaches that level again, it will again be justified. Simple as that.

  193. d-mar

    If you turn the ball over against the Heat, you will lose 100% of the time, it’s just a matter of by how much. Every turnover is points at the other end. The only chance to beat them is to get into a half court game and protect the ball, which is easier said than done when Wade and LeBron are on the court.

    This game was not a referendum for either team, the Knicks lost to the best team in the NBA playing at their best.

  194. formido

    Lin definitely doesn’t have a crisp dribbling skills, though, which is a big problem. And there won’t be time to fix it during the season. I hope he makes that a huge point of emphasis in the off-season. He needs to do Nash’s drills.

  195. ruruland

    This year for Melo reminds me so much of ’08. Struggled with injuries, missed a bunch of games, shot poorly trying to figure out how he fit with new team and Billups

    He started figure it out in second half. He was the best player in the Western Conference playoffs that year, and if not for 6 horrible calls in the Lakers favor at hte end of games 1, 3, and 5, would have led it to Finals.

  196. EB

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: If he’s not ready to play basketball, he shouldn’t be playing basketball. Players come back from injuries all the time. David West destroyed his knee last year and started the season an above-average player.

    There is a difference between being back and being better than the rest of our pg’s in a wheel chair. Also the David West destroyed his knee is anecdotal and I’m sure we could point to plenty of people who either came back fine or came back horrendous.

  197. er

    Lol calm down one bad second half on the end of b2b …the team will be fine just need to keep jelling and growing together

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    So many excuses. If he’s not ready to play basketball, he shouldn’t be playing basketball. Players come back from injuries all the time. David West destroyed his knee last year and started the season an above-average player.

    abbey, you ride Shumpert and Davis so hard it’s getting a little creepy. You can argue all you want about Shumpert’s defense, but his offense is bad enough to warrant him sitting the bench until garbage time. .450 TS% is awful. Baron Davis may be getting his reps with the team, but he hasn’t been good since 2008, and it’s unlikely he’s going to have some kind of career resurgence at age 33 with ball-stopping stars like Carmelo and Amar’e running the show.

    When this window of “opportunity” passes, you and the other apologists on this board will make excuses, but you’ll never admit that the players simply are not good enough to win the East. It has nothing to do with talent: Carmelo Anthony is a “gifted” scorer; Amar’e can jump high enough to dunk; Baron Davis has “swagger” or whatever you want to call it. It has to do with the ability to be a good basketball player. We have a lot of average basketball players. Your unbridled optimism in Baron Davis seems fanboyism more than anything else.

  198. ruruland

    d-mar: If you turn the ball over against the Heat, you will lose 100% of the time, it’s just a matter of by how much. Every turnover is points at the other end. The only chance to beat them is to get into a half court game and protect the ball, which is easier said than done when Wade and LeBron are on the court.This game was not a referendum for either team, the Knicks lost to the best team in the NBA playing at their best.

    Absolutely.

  199. TheXman

    formido: ert’s defense, but his offense is bad enough to warrant him sitting the bench until garbage time. .450 TS% is awful. Baron Davis may be getting his reps with the team, but he hasn’t been good since 2008, and it’s unlikely he’s going to have some kind of career resurgenc

    Watching Westbrook handle the ball, yeah Lin does seem very sloppy with his ball handling. He loses control and just looks very out of his league surprisingly. I don’t know, makes me wonder how he was able to perform at such a high rate.

  200. art vandelay

    They can’t seem to get over .500….3 times during past week we reached .500 and then lost the next game to fall back under.

  201. ruruland

    art vandelay: They can’t seem to get over .500….3 times during past week we reached .500 and then lost the next game to fall back under.

    This team will be well over .500 by seasons end. 36 wins min. if they are healthy. I still have them for 40 on SportsBook..

  202. d-mar

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    So many excuses. If he’s not ready to play basketball, he shouldn’t be playing basketball. Players come back from injuries all the time. David West destroyed his knee last year and started the season an above-average player.

    abbey, you ride Shumpert and Davis so hard it’s getting a little creepy. You can argue all you want about Shumpert’s defense, but his offense is bad enough to warrant him sitting the bench until garbage time. .450 TS% is awful. Baron Davis may be getting his reps with the team, but he hasn’t been good since 2008, and it’s unlikely he’s going to have some kind of career resurgence at age 33 with ball-stopping stars like Carmelo and Amar’e running the show.

    When this window of “opportunity” passes, you and the other apologists on this board will make excuses, but you’ll never admit that the players simply are not good enough to win the East. It has nothing to do with talent: Carmelo Anthony is a “gifted” scorer; Amar’e can jump high enough to dunk; Baron Davis has “swagger” or whatever you want to call it. It has to do with the ability to be a good basketball player. We have a lot of average basketball players. Your unbridled optimism in Baron Davis seems fanboyism more than anything else.

    How about posting once in a while when the Knicks win?

  203. Frank O.

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    So many excuses. If he’s not ready to play basketball, he shouldn’t be playing basketball. Players come back from injuries all the time. David West destroyed his knee last year and started the season an above-average player.

    abbey, you ride Shumpert and Davis so hard it’s getting a little creepy. You can argue all you want about Shumpert’s defense, but his offense is bad enough to warrant him sitting the bench until garbage time. .450 TS% is awful. Baron Davis may be getting his reps with the team, but he hasn’t been good since 2008, and it’s unlikely he’s going to have some kind of career resurgence at age 33 with ball-stopping stars like Carmelo and Amar’e running the show.

    When this window of “opportunity” passes, you and the other apologists on this board will make excuses, but you’ll never admit that the players simply are not good enough to win the East.

    Cognitive dissonance. You insist on facts and accuracy, but then fail to take into account the fact that the Knicks have had few practices. The only place for Davis to BECOME ready is by playing. THat’s not an excuse it is factual perspective.
    But you appear intent on defending a point of view rather than seeking truth. Everybody is entitled to their opinions.
    I happen to think what has happened with a little competent guard play has been remarkable and points to tremendous potential. I wrote before what each player has been through. Those weren’t opinions, they were facts and they affect outcomes. Not to acknowledge those facts seems disengenuous.

  204. ruruland

    d-mar:

    THCJ is the ultimate troll. Done paying him any mind, too. Constantly changing his argument and moving the goalposts. Worst kind of opportunist.

  205. Will the Thrill

    If Baron turns it around, great. But for right now, he needs to focus on passing, and strictly passing.

  206. bobneptune

    a couple of things about the game:

    they were beaten by a better team that was waiting for them , so no disgrace in that.

    the heat beat them to every loose ball tonight.

    there is a structural flaw in the offense they were running tonight that even a moron like reggie miller correctly commented on.

    against a team as athletic as the heat where lin could neither turn the corner or split the trap on the pnr, he was screwed when he backed the double team out because he can’t throw the ball to the screener (chandler) who is wide open 15 feet from the basket because he is so incompetent offensively outside of 3 feet from the basket. he can/won’t shoot from there, can’t put the ball on the floor and isn’t exactly oscar robertson passing. that’s the quandary lin was in all night.

    they should have used amar’e or melo as the screener more often against a team as athletic and motivated as miami was tonight.

  207. jon abbey

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    you’ll never admit that the players simply are not good enough to win the East.

    they probably aren’t, but again if that’s your thesis, it has nothing to do with current personnel and everything to do with the botched 2009 draft and subsequent failure to land LeBron. everything since then has been largely irrelevant, since we don’t have LeBron, so as usual, I’m really not sure of your point. initially it was that we couldn’t possibly assemble a talented team around two underachieving max guys, but now that’s exactly what’s happened and much sooner than anyone had any right to expect. will you admit you were wrong about that at some point, and that Melo has some value in terms of recruiting other players?

    but yeah, coming into the season, it was almost certain that one of MIA/CHI/OKC would win the title, and nothing has changed there. NY certainly has a lot of talent though, we’ll see what they do with it.

    as for Shumpert and his TS%, only someone who trusts the stats as much as you do would think that this team isn’t better off with him taking Fields’ minutes.

  208. jon abbey

    also, there sure is a lot less talk about the Nuggets here recently as they sink out of the playoffs in the West. a lot of injuries, I know, but that shouldn’t affect a dynasty like the one I was told they’d built there.

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