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Saturday, August 23, 2014

232 comments on “2012 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Heat

  1. The Infamous Cdiggy

    the D is spry right now, save for a couple missed interior plays on D and a misfortunate on a scramble/fumbled steal attempt.

    Wade with two fallaway bankers… tough that guy is.

  2. Doug

    llcoolbp:
    Everyone who would rather play the heat over the bulls please take note.

    Every time I feel like the Knicks would just KILL the Bulls if they rebounded better, even though it’s easier said than done against the Bulls.

  3. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Well, that could’ve gone a lot worse. Wade and LeBum hit some tough shots that opening quarter. Good to see Melo taking it to the hole and drawing fouls.

  4. d-mar

    I think we’ve all seen enough NBA games to know that 1st quarters usually mean nothing, unless you get yourself in 20 point hole. Just want it to be close at halftime.

  5. gjknick

    Doug: Every time I feel like the Knicks would just KILL the Bulls if they rebounded better, even though it’s easier said than done against the Bulls.

    I think a number of teams think that. But like you said, easier to say than do!

  6. BigBlueAL

    I thought there was way too much soft double-teaming and switching on defense in the 1st quarter.

  7. The Infamous Cdiggy

    but they’ve clamped on D. I’m starting to kinda see what people are saying about the Heat’s halfcourt offense being somewhat ordinary…

  8. d-mar

    The Infamous Cdiggy: but they’ve clamped on D. I’m starting to kinda see what people are saying about the Heat’s halfcourt offense being somewhat ordinary…

    Just thinking the same thing. The key to beating them is not turning the ball over (hear that Landry?)

  9. llcoolbp

    Novak has to release just a little quicker then usual do to the quick closeouts by the heat. That’s the difference. That’s why they are such a great defensive team. You reallly need shot makers like jr and melo against a team like this when you dont have a point guard.

  10. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Miami’s collecting fouls on the offensive end. Knicks need to knock down some shots to make them pay… like that Novakaine 3

  11. The Infamous Cdiggy

    So Wade can’t D Melo… fairly logical, but still why do I take some comfort in that?

  12. Mulligan

    Who set the screen for Novak on that last 3? Was it Chandler? Novak needs some hella hard screens now that people are covering him so close.

  13. Mulligan

    Wade also has 2 fouls and no one covered behind him (like Chandler does for Melo), so…yeah.

  14. llcoolbp

    Mulligan:
    Who set the screen for Novak on that last 3? Was it Chandler? Novak needs some hella hard screens now that people are covering him so close.

    Don’t understand why they don’t set more screens for Novak.

  15. Mulligan

    Mulligan:
    Wade also has 2 fouls and no one covered behind him (like Chandler does for Melo), so…yeah.

    Sorry, meant Shump, not Melo.

  16. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Owen:
    Nice behind the back from Wade there…

    He and LeBum are good interior passers.

    But our boys are sticking with ‘em. Good to see Shump-Shump stick that open 3.

  17. Mulligan

    To borrow from David Thorpe, looks like Smith’s really been benefiting from all the confidence Woodson’s been giving him. Much better decision making and focus (for the most part) this game.

  18. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    d-mar:
    Pretty obvious Melo isn’t an elite player, huh?

    Pretty obvious that people can choose the data they think best suits their thesis.

    Same goes for Baron Davis, who will chuck up balls like he’s paid by volume, sink his team in the process, and then pull out a “gutsy” performance every so often to instill the idea that he can still play.

    His TS% is still .515.

  19. BigBlueAL

    Love the replay showing Melo smiling his ass off when he was posting up Wade before passing to Chandler for the dunk.

  20. The Infamous Cdiggy

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: Pretty obvious that people can choose the data they think best suits their thesis.

    Same goes for Baron Davis, who will chuck up balls like he’s paid by volume, sink his team in the process, and then pull out a “gutsy” performance every so often to instill the idea that he can still play.

    His TS% is still .515.

    Agree with B.Diddy, but they’re running the majority of the offense thru Melo today and it’s working.

  21. d-mar

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: Pretty obvious that people can choose the data they think best suits their thesis.Same goes for Baron Davis, who will chuck up balls like he’s paid by volume, sink his team in the process, and then pull out a “gutsy” performance every so often to instill the idea that he can still play. His TS% is still .515.

    If “every so often” means the last 10-12 games, then yeah, I guess you’re right. I give up.

  22. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Melo’s beastin… gotta give him props.

    no excuse to not collect that FT rebound though

  23. Gamecockerbocker

    Landry fields sucks. And he’s not going to get less than a C in the recap later either.

  24. The Infamous Cdiggy

    f.l.o.:
    is melo high or why is he laughing all the time ?

    If you believe ruruland, the smiles and laughter are his way of releasing his emotions and frustration. But I think he’s relishing a game like this.

  25. llcoolbp

    They should have left Novak out there longer. Even when he misses the defense is so keyed up on him it opens things up. Baron Davis is turrible. Melo brings the ball up so much. Davis should just be part of the second unit when stat comes back.

  26. f.l.o.

    The Infamous Cdiggy: If you believe ruruland, the smiles and laughter are his way of releasing his emotions and frustration.But I think he’s relishing a game like this.

    he should be laughing when they manage to win… i guess he’s just enjoying his numbers…

  27. ruruland

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: Pretty obvious that people can choose the data they think best suits their thesis.

    Same goes for Baron Davis, who will chuck up balls like he’s paid by volume, sink his team in the process, and then pull out a “gutsy” performance every so often to instill the idea that he can still play.

    His TS% is still .515.

    Why even post today if that’s your angle? Obviously the only chance of you changing your mind is if something dramatic happens statistically the next 100 games or so. What’s the point of you being here?

  28. ruruland

    f.l.o.: he should be laughing when they manage to win… i guess he’s just enjoying his numbers…

    Yeah. Numbers, it’s all about the numbers for Melo. You want Melo to be in this state of mind. I don’t understand why people even talk about it.

  29. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    ruruland: Why even post today if that’s your angle? Obviously the only chance of you changing your mind is if something dramatic happens statistically the next 100 games or so. What’s the point of you being here?

    I was responding to “Is Melo an elite player?” not “Is Melo playing amazingly today?”

  30. llcoolbp

    Melo smiles. People need to get over it. If he’s on, why shouldn’t he smile? We all like the guys that scowl like shump, but everybody can’t be the same. Melo seems like he wants to win, in my book that’s all that matters. His effort is definitely there. He can smile all he wants. Maybe he’s a smile in your face, stab you in the back kind of guy. If it gets us wins, I’m fine with it.

  31. ruruland

    Mulligan:
    To borrow from David Thorpe, looks like Smith’s really been benefiting from all the confidence Woodson’s been giving him. Much better decision making and focus (for the most part) this game.

    The “royal jelly” as it were.

  32. Doug

    f.l.o.: he should be laughing when they manage to win… i guess he’s just enjoying his numbers…

    lol WHO CARES. Welcome to KB, by the way, stick around.

  33. jon abbey

    llcoolbp:
    Landry is so overmatched against the heat, bulls and celtics. Like a deer in the headlights.

    yep, the bigger the game, the more invisible he is. 8th best player in the league, though.

  34. llcoolbp

    To be honest he’s got this team on his back right now and is singlehandedly keeping them in the game against the heatles. Big time performance so far.

  35. johnlocke

    Fields hurts the Knicks offensively and defensively….he is the main reason the Heat are a bad matchup for us…he ends up guarding either Lebron or Wade, gets killed…and on top of that, can’t close out properly on shooters.

  36. ruruland

    llcoolbp:
    Shump, Novak and JR all need to get some hoops in the second half. The heat will double team hard on melo in the second half.

    The Heat haven’t double-teamed anyone this year (for those who’ve watched them religiously).

    Pretty amazing to think that some slightly above average offensive player could garner such defensive attention from the league’s best wing defenders, allowing great offensive players like Chandler easy opportunities.

    Something wrong with that strategy.

  37. johnlocke

    They will. Both Novak and Smith missed make-able shots, so hopefully they shoot it better. If I see Fields shoot another pull up jumper I’m going to jump out the window of my 20th floor apt. Ankle doesn’t seem to be bothering Shump too much, but he doesn’t seem to have his same aggressiveness out there. Baron needs to take it to the whole more, and look for his shot…and by shot I mean drive in the lane and not contested pull up or long 3.

    llcoolbp:
    Shump, Novak and JR all need to get some hoops in the second half. The heat will double team hard on melo in the second half.

  38. BigBlueAL

    ruruland: The Heat haven’t double-teamed anyone this year (for those who’ve watched them religiously).

    Pretty amazing to think that some slightly above average offensive player could garner such defensive attention from the league’s best wing defenders, allowing great offensive players like Chandler easy opportunities.

    Something wrong with that strategy.

    Pat Riley hardley ever double-teamed when he was coach and Spo obviously learned from him. Its true you hardly ever see the Heat double team.

    Thats one thing JVG did differently from Riley with the Knicks, he would double team alot.

  39. The Infamous Cdiggy

    I hear what JVG is saying about flopping, but LeBum bowled Davis over just there.

  40. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    I love the fact that Melo smiles. It shows me that he’s naturally gifted and comfortable in what he does, a true sign of “flow.”

    I also really do think that LeBron’s nail biting is an indication that he’s far too aware of LEBRON JAMES the celebrity instead of LeBron James the basketball player. I think David Foster Wallace’s “How Tracy Austin Broke My Heart,” which I reread yesterday, suggests that the best athletes may be, in those moments of genius and power, completely blank in the mind. I’m guessing, from my limited perspective, that Melo is so ridiculously comfortable at the game of basketball that he is able to simply “be.” That’s pretty awesome.

    Still, he’s not as efficient as y’all might make him out to be. As a person, I’d much rather have him than LeBron. He’s a wholly unlikeable person — at least the image of the person that we’ve received from media.

  41. d-mar

    johnlocke: +1

    I’ll take the blame for bringing the term “elite” into the thread. I guess most players are capable of carrying a team on their back for 2 weeks with 2 starters out in the most critical time of the season.

  42. ABG

    I really don’t know what to make of the Baron-on-Lebron move. What does everyone else think?

  43. The Infamous Cdiggy

    d-mar: I’ll take the blame forbringing the term “elite” into the thread. I guess most players are capable of carrying a team on their back for 2 weeks with 2 starters out in the most critical time of the season.

    I’ll +1 this

  44. BigBlueAL

    I know Lin played horrible against the Heat earlier this season but man do the Knicks need him right now.

  45. JK47

    Fields is just bad. He’s not adequate, he’s not so-so, he’s not passable. He’s BAD. I hope he’s not on the team next year.

  46. The Infamous Cdiggy

    On that 3rd replay of Shump’s offensive foul, I can see JVG’s point. that “shove” was rather slight.

  47. BigBlueAL

    Melo hasnt taken a shot in awhile. Not a coincidence Knicks havent scored in like an hour.

  48. The Infamous Cdiggy

    BigBlueAL:
    Knicks better be careful before this game gets away from them.

    Exactly. Woodson needs to call a TO and calm guys (Shump, JR) down.

  49. The Infamous Cdiggy

    rebounding is atrocious… it’s like LeBum/Wade are outjumping our wings and they aren’t being boxed out properly

  50. JK47

    d-mar:
    Question: name one positive thing Landry Fields has done in this game?

    I’m the worst basketball player ever, and when I’m in a game I play just like Landry– I stand around the perimeter and nobody guards me, and when I get the ball I either put up a brick or pass the thing to the first guy I see.

  51. BigBlueAL

    Knicks getting outrebounded by 11 right now despite the Heat shooting a lower percentage.

  52. Gideon Zaga

    Rebounds win Championships, if only we can rebound we can beat both the heat/bulls man

  53. Gideon Zaga

    JVG knows the game, we should keep going through Melo draw the double, get the rotation off and get open shots for Novak and open lanes for Fields

  54. The Infamous Cdiggy

    BigBlueAL:
    Oakley is turning in his grave seeing that flagrant foul call.

    I was just thinking that was a ’93 Oakley “NO LAYUP FOR YOU” hard foul

  55. BigBlueAL

    Yeah no open lanes for Fields cause I doubt he sees the court again today and rightfully so.

  56. ABG

    BigBlueAL:
    Oakley is turning in his grave seeing that flagrant foul call.

    If that foul on Tyson was a flagrant in the 90s the Knicks would’ve averaged 7.5 possessions per game

  57. jon abbey

    great end to the third, Melo is going to need to get 45+ to win this one, maybe 50.

    the entire Knicks team besides Melo and Smith has 19 points.

  58. JK47

    No defender stands within 10 feet of Landry Fields when he’s out on the perimeter. It’s 4-on-5 on offense when he’s in the game.

  59. f.l.o.

    Doug: lol WHO CARES. Welcome to KB, by the way, stick around.

    i kinda do but yeah…i guess it shouldn’t matter as long as he does his thing.

    thx – i’ve actually enjoyed kb for quite some time

  60. ruruland

    Wow Shump, Melo and JR and some doses of Chandler and Novak taking on this great Heat team. Pretty amazing to think we’re even competing right now.

  61. BigBlueAL

    Bosh is dominating today, the same Bosh that even the Heat media have been mocking recently for his poor play and for averaging less than 8 rebs per game for the season.

  62. formido

    Re: flops

    JVG is absolutely right and it it’s frustrating that Breen lets the NBA off the hook (reffing flops is hard, let’s go shopping!). The NBA has been edging toward the disgrace that is soccer for years. Anyone who watched the international refs rob team USA of it’s victory over Italy during the World Cup before last knows what I’m talking about.

    It’s true flops are hard to evaluate in real time. But there’s zero reason why teams couldn’t submit a handful of potential flop plays to be reviewed after each game and players be penalized for it later. This is not some intractable problem.

  63. The Infamous Cdiggy

    BigBlueAL:
    Bosh is dominating today, the same Bosh that even the Heat media have been mocking recently for his poor play and for averaging less than 8 rebs per game for the season.

    I know right? smh

  64. d-mar

    BigBlueAL: Bosh is dominating today, the same Bosh that even the Heat media have been mocking recently for his poor play and for averaging less than 8 rebs per game for the season.

    Little easier to dominate when you don’t have a PF to play against on the other end

  65. The Infamous Cdiggy

    You know what I see?

    This Heat team are great athletes and Wade is a lethal shotmaker.

    But with really sound offensive execution and rebounding, they can be had, as the Mavs showed us.

    Can we ever get to that level?

  66. BigBlueAL

    Knicks have to be the worst 4th quarter defensive rebounding team in the league. Horrible.

    Game over.

  67. The Infamous Cdiggy

    JK47:
    Dumb shots by Melo and Smith at the end there.Gotta be more patient.

    they (esp Melo) gotta keep getting into the paint and quit chucking from the outside.

  68. JK47

    Melo has had a great game but he’s taking stupid, ill-advised shots every possession here at the end of this. Lame.

  69. Gideon Zaga

    Come on Melo its crunch time, got to do it now or all you’ve done already won’t matter

  70. The Infamous Cdiggy

    d-mar:
    That was a horrendous call, Davis got shoved into Jones. Awful.

    Davis was a bit out of control on that drive… but he did get hit from behind.

  71. formido

    Shumpert’s D was dominating, and then they take him out? Anthony is scoring at will and they stop feeding him for most of the quarter?

  72. jon abbey

    Melo is exhausted.

    if they lose, this loss is largely on Chandler IMO, only 5 boards is absolutely unacceptable.

  73. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Yeah… Wade is more important to the Heat’s title hopes than LeBum. This game proves it.

  74. The Infamous Cdiggy

    jon abbey:
    Melo is exhausted.

    if they lose, this loss is largely on Chandler IMO, only 5 boards is absolutely unacceptable.

    Only FIVE???? I thought he was out of position on some of those Heat offensive boards.

  75. BigBlueAL

    Oh well, it was a fun game for awhile. Unfortunately the reality is the Knicks would be lucky to avoid a sweep vs the Heat in the playoffs unless Amar’e comes back healthy and somehow makes a positive impact for the Knicks.

  76. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Doug:
    If only we had more than 1.5 reliable scorers on the floor.

    indeed… Stoudamire would’ve helped immensely.

  77. d-mar

    Not a loss to get too crazy about, we didn’t play that badly, and Melo just ran out of gas. Heat brought it today.

  78. formido

    Wade is a winner. Wade doesn’t choke at the end of games. No way Lebron closes out championship games.

  79. jon abbey

    ABG:
    I really can’t explain why Baron is out there. First time I think Woodson cost is a game.

    who should be out there instead? I guess you could make an argument for Novak, but it’s not like anyone is doing anything positive except Melo/Chandler/Smith/Shumpie.

  80. The Infamous Cdiggy

    BigBlueAL:
    Oh well, it was a fun game for awhile.Unfortunately the reality is the Knicks would be lucky to avoid a sweep vs the Heat in the playoffs unless Amar’e comes back healthy and somehow makes a positive impact for the Knicks.

    True, except after watching this game, I really feel that the Heat can be had, man. I don’t think we’re that far off from them. Then again, will we have a shot at them at full strength should we meet them in the playoffs? Unlikely.

  81. jon abbey

    the very rare game this year that we lost because Chandler didn’t do his job well enough. he needs 15 boards if we’re going to compete against a team that good, not 5.

  82. DRed

    Big 3 beats big 1. Not a terrible game-the heat are better than us and we just don’t have enough healthy bodies.

  83. The Infamous Cdiggy

    BigBlueAL: Lin is the player the Knicks are really missing, not Amar’e.

    You can def make that argument… I was just thinking that a 16 and 8 game from Amare today could’ve gone a long way. But yes, Lin’s ballhandling and driving were missed too.

  84. BigBlueAL

    The Infamous Cdiggy: True, except after watching this game, I really feel that the Heat can be had, man.I don’t think we’re that far off from them.Then again, will we have a shot at them at full strength should we meet them in the playoffs? Unlikely.

    Yeah the Heat are definitely vulnerable but not against this current Knicks team unfortunately. Sucks not being able to play against them at full strength.

  85. er

    Dude he basically played the whole game I’m sure he’s exhausted…let it go

    JK47:
    Melo has had a great game but he’s taking stupid, ill-advised shots every possession here at the end of this.Lame.

  86. The Infamous Cdiggy

    BigBlueAL: Yeah the Heat are definitely vulnerable but not against this current Knicks team unfortunately.Sucks not being able to play against them at full strength.

    Indeed. Hate to go all Brooklyn Dodgers, but wait til next year??

  87. BigBlueAL

    The Infamous Cdiggy: You can def make that argument… I was just thinking that a 16 and 8 game from Amare today could’ve gone a long way.But yes, Lin’s ballhandling and driving were missed too.

    Oh of course the Knicks could use Amar’e too. A healthy Amar’e playing well could mean the Knicks win a couple of games vs the Heat if they play in the 1st round but for them to really compete and have a legitimate shot they need Lin.

  88. JLam

    Heat doesnt seem to be playing as well last time the Knicks played them prior to All-Star break. I’m encouraged that we will have a competitive series if we meet them in gthe playoffs.

  89. er

    I agree he had numerous put backs by his man

    jon abbey:
    the very rare game this year that we lost because Chandler didn’t do his job well enough. he needs 15 boards if we’re going to compete against a team that good, not 5.

  90. jon abbey

    JLam:
    LeBron is not known to be clutch. Wade is .

    there is some truth here, but also a good chunk of media bullshit. I love that no one remembers the Eastern Conference Finals, where he shut down Rose and won the series. he has led the league in WS in the postseason 3 of the past 5 years, we’re not talking about Charles Smith herte.

  91. BigBlueAL

    Just read this tweet:

    Starters Davis, Shumpert & Fields were a combined 4-for-18 for the Knicks.

  92. johnlocke

    Reasons we lost:

    1) We can’t defend Bosh – he has killed us in all three games if memory serves me right

    2) We didn’t hit free throws…we missed 10? Not a good trend…and that will bite us in the ass in close playoff games

    3) No reliable 2nd scorer

    4) Fields was ATROCIOUS…just the worst plays at the worst run-killing times. Completely undependable.

  93. ABG

    jon abbey: who should be out there instead? I guess you could make an argument for Novak, but it’s not like anyone is doing anything positive except Melo/Chandler/Smith/Shumpie.

    Honestly, Fields or Jeffries takes less off the table than Baron. Either wouldve been ok by me.

  94. david

    1. People trashing LeBron should check themselves a bit…Not his best game, but he was 29/10 and +18. He’s really good and a mess of a matchup for us.

    2. The Heat are just an awful match up for us. The best way to beat them is with a good pg (or even a decent one, like JJ Barea) who can take people off the dribble and a good pick and pop game (see Sebastian Pruti’s column on Grantland.) Neither of those are our strengths — our bigs are much more comfortable “rolling” than popping and without Lin, our pgs, well, let’s not talk about it. I would much, much rather see the Bulls — who I think we match up with pretty well, enough to give us a puncher’s chance (10-15%) to beat — or the Pacers, who I think we are better than.

    3. THat said, I liked the way we played. Melo was great until he went a little shot crazy in the end, Shump was great, and we got the outside shooting we need. The next game is a huge one — if we can beat Boston, I think we have a pretty good chance of catching the cratering Magic and moving into the 6, which would be fantastic.

  95. ruruland

    You can’t beat that team without much better balance. This was the game I figured we’d lose. Boston will be tough, but much more do-able.

    you have to be able to match shots with Miami at the end of games. And you can expect Melo to match Wade and Lebron by himself. He’s beaten both of those guys pretty consistently when they weren’t paired up.

  96. johnlocke

    Also…we made 2…that’s right TWO free throws outside of Carmelo Anthony the ENTIRE game. Baron Davis 1-4 and Tyson Chandler 1-4

  97. Doug

    jon abbey: there is some truth here, but also a good chunk of media bullshit. I love that no one remembers the Eastern Conference Finals, where he shut down Rose and won the series. he has led the league in WS in the postseason 3 of the past 5 years, we’re not talking about Charles Smith herte.

    I agree a lot of it is narrative. I remember how everyone was anointing him after the Detroit three-pointer.

  98. johnlocke

    Fields? You can’t be serious

    ABG: Honestly, Fields or Jeffries takes less off the table than Baron. Either wouldve been ok by me.

  99. jon abbey

    ABG: Honestly, Fields or Jeffries takes less off the table than Baron. Either wouldve been ok by me.

    neither of those guys gives you anything offensively, Baron can at times.

  100. ruruland

    jon abbey: neither of those guys gives you anything offensively, Baron can at times.

    Baron is also solid defensively when he wants to be. He did a nice job on Lebron at times. Jeffries is not a great individual defender, and Bosh hurt him.

  101. jon abbey

    Doug: I agree a lot of it is narrative. I remember how everyone was anointing him after the Detroit three-pointer.

    he definitely has some issues in tight, big games in the last minute or two, but he also plays a ridiculous amount of minutes at maximum effort, which I don’t think is entirely unrelated.

  102. johnlocke

    Got burned a few times guarding Bosh chest to chest out at the three point line– a boneheaded “aggressive defense” move I’m used to seeing Amare make — but not one I expect from Jeffries

    ruruland: Baron is also solid defensively when he wants to be. He did a nice job on Lebron at times. Jeffries is not a great individual defender, and Bosh hurt him.

  103. jon abbey

    Jeffries, like Baron, is also playing hurt, he hasn’t been the same since he’s been back.

  104. 06261990

    Awesome game. Sucks how it ended, but an awesome game. The Heats hit a couple of redonkulous shots and got a couple of friendly whistles (and non-whistles). The Knicks missed too many free throws. Melo looked like a monster out there for most of the game. Shumpert looked like he’s a J short of an all-star.

    Five parts of me want the Knicks to get to the 6th seed so they can get Lin back, but one part of me wants to watch this team go to absolute war against this Heat team in the first round. Blood, bruises, etc.

    Also, god bless JVG for calling bullshit on flopping. Basketball ? soccer.

  105. johnlocke

    Don’t think we want any part of the Heat. Right now we’re in 8th behind Philly. The Philly versus Orlando outcome on Monday, will help in deciding whether we should be gunning for 6th. Division is out of the question, don’t know why Woody keeps saying that. Only complication is Bucks right behind us, so we can’t ‘tank’ to get 8th.

    06261990:
    Awesome game. Sucks how it ended, but an awesome game.The Heats hit a couple of redonkulous shots and got a couple of friendly whistles (and non-whistles). The Knicks missed too many free throws.Melo looked like a monster out there for most of the game. Shumpert looked like he’s a J short of an all-star.

    Five parts of me want the Knicks to get to the 6th seed so they can get Lin back, but one part of me wants to watch this team go to absolute war against this Heat team in the first round.Blood, bruises, etc.

    Also, god bless JVG for calling bullshit on flopping.Basketball ? soccer.

  106. jon abbey

    johnlocke:
    Division is out of the question, don’t know why Woody keeps saying that.

    I think he’s listening to Mike K. :)

    but yeah, the division went out the window with the OT loss to the Celtics a while back.

    also Shumpert needs to be more aggressive on offense, Melo and Smith can’t do it all themselves.

  107. StatsTeacher

    We need Lin and STAT clearly. I hope both are back for round one (please). The player who should lose most of his minutes is Fields. This talk of Melo rolling as a 4 is nonsense, against a real 4 today we got hammered on the boards. Our starting 5 today, I think, would have won this game. Even fully healthy (if that does happen again this season) we will have real trouble in Miami, as does everybody.

  108. 06261990

    Well, I wouldn’t bet that they’d win, but I think the Knicks would give the Heats as tough a fight in the first round as any team. And maybe I’m drunk on a Sunday afternoon (I am), but after how this season started, I’ll take a brutal, hard-fought first round exit if every game is as entertaining as this one.

    That said, I’d bet this team goes 5-1 down the stretch. So wherever that lands them.

    johnlocke:
    Don’t think we want any part of the Heat. Righ

    t now we’re in 8th behind Philly. The Philly versus Orlando outcome on Monday, will help in deciding whether we should be gunning for 6th. Division is out of the question, don’t know why Woody keeps saying that. Only complication is Bucks right behind us, so we can’t ‘tank’ to get 8th.

  109. Bruno Almeida

    jon abbey: neither of those guys gives you anything offensively, Baron can at times.

    how exactly?

    Baron has a .455 TS% so far, he’s murdering the Knicks offense.

    he can’t infiltrate, can’t finish at the rim, can’t draw fouls and shoot free throws… he does have some nice assist numbers, but that is skewed by some high numbers agaisnt terrible opponents… he’s had about 4 good games in 25 he played (that blowout against Portland, the first win against Orlando, the loss against Milwaukee and the Wizards game)

    he’s been well under average on all the other games, including pretty much all the important games.

  110. ruruland

    Bruno Almeida: how exactly?

    Baron has a .455 TS% so far, he’s murdering the Knicks offense.

    he can’t infiltrate, can’t finish at the rim, can’t draw fouls and shoot free throws… he does have some nice assist numbers, but that is skewed by some high numbers agaisnt terrible opponents… he’s had about 4 good games in 25 he played (that blowout against Portland, the first win against Orlando, the loss against Milwaukee and the Wizards game)

    he’s been well under average on all the other games, including pretty much all the important games.

    infiltrate… hmmm.

    The Knicks don’t have any options. Baron can at least initiate the offense at times. It’s really amazing the Knicks are doing what they’re doing

  111. d-mar

    If the Magic beat the Cavs tonight, you can forget any notion of moving up to the 6th seed.

  112. Bruno Almeida

    ruruland: infiltrate… hmmm.

    The Knicks don’t have any options. Baron can at least initiate the offense at times. It’s really amazing the Knicks are doing what they’re doing

    I’d still rather give the reins of the offense to J.R, Shumpert and Melo, have them initiate the offense and play Walker and Fields as the backup wings, as terrible as it might seem.

    Walker has, in his career, shown that he can be an at least adequate 3 pt shooter.

    another option would be, when Amare comes back, to play Novak more at the SF spot… giving us a rotation with Shump + Smith + Baron (very limited minutes) at the PG, Fields + Smith + Walker occasionally, Melo + Novak, Amare + Jeffries + Novak, and Chandler + Amare + Jeffries.

    Novak can’t guard small forwards, but he can’t guard good power forwards either, so that’s kind of a moot point.

  113. Shad0wF0x

    Just listened to Wilbon and Jon Barry talk about the Knicks-Heat game and immediately regretted it. Talk about the Bulls in anyway and Mike gets very defensive.

  114. ruruland

    d-mar:
    If the Magic beat the Cavs tonight, you can forget any notion of moving up to the 6th seed.

    What???

    6-1 should do it. meaning we’d have to go undefeated here on out –Boston, @ Atlanta, and CLippers are the tough games — all winnable.

    IF Orlando loses tonight, there’s a good chance they lose 30 games, which means the Knicks can afford to lose another game.

    Shoot, the Magic can win tonight and still lose 30 games with their schedule.

  115. Knickerbicker

    Is there not some way for Chandler to establish a low post offensive presence? Look what his 18 pts did for us against Milwaukee.

  116. Will the Thrill

    Fields and Baron were horrendous today. IMO – Shumpert/Smith should be getting all of the minutes at PG. Baron takes too many shots (80% of them stupid), and is too slow to play defense against opposing point guards. Also, his turnovers have been higher than his assists for a number of games during this run.

  117. formido

    I’m not trashing Lebron. He’s a phenomenal player. He’s “clutch” during the regular season. That’s not so much clutch as being that much better than everyone else. He’s clutch during the playoffs against lesser teams. Same thing.

    But eventually he comes up against a team in the playoffs who is good enough. And he has to play them every game. And they don’t let him physically overpower them. These are true clutch moments for him because he is no longer in 70 percent conversion scenarios, but more like 50 percent. These moments reveal whether a player is clutch or not. And if you watched the Celtics series and if you watched the Dallas series, there’s no way you can argue he’s clutch. He simply disappears. He looks scared. He hovers.

    Very good physical teams can shut Lebron down. He’s missing crcucial go to skills. A quick strong guard can absolutely cut off his drives. His turn around isn’t reliable.

    This isn’t true of Wade. He continues to make good plays throughout the game, even when hurt like last year. He can always penetrate because he’s smoother and trickier than Lebron. And he doesn’t get visibly scared.

    The media makes up a lot of bullshit story lines. This isn’t one of them.

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