2012 Game Thread: Knicks vs. 76ers

January 11th, 2012 by | @JPCavan | Comments | Permalink |

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289 Responses to “2012 Game Thread: Knicks vs. 76ers”

  1. 1
    art vandelay says:

    SHUMP SHUMP!!!

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    llcoolbp says:

    let’s see what we got tonight. This will be a good barometer game. Just want to see the ball move, and effort on D. Is that asking for too much? let’s go knicks!

  4. 4
    mura2337 says:

    This should be a good barometer if the team. Philly’s hot.

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    xcat01 says:

    No Hawes tonight so if the Knicks can get Brand in foul trouble they might be able to put Philly on the ropes. Be agressive guys!! Let’s go Knicks

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    jon abbey says:

    if we lose, it’s because of the exclamation points.

  7. 7
    llcoolbp says:

    fields needs to sit, after just one shot!

  8. 8
    llcoolbp says:

    fields needs to sit!!!! (3 exclamation points)

  9. 9
    llcoolbp says:

    shumpenstein is so strong. Can mix it up with brand

  10. 10
    mura2337 says:

    I’m giving fields a chance to look bad instead of inept. So that’s progress.

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    llcoolbp says:

    shumpty damn do!

  12. 12
    kingnate18 says:

    Pretty move by STAT

  13. 13
    dogrufus says:

    Is it just me or does Melo look LOCKED IN tonight.

    I think he’s going for a huge game.

    Was that a post move we saw from Fields? Can’t throw it in the ocean when he’s wide open, so nice to see at least one high percentage shot.

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    art vandelay says:

    I will acknowledge full culpability for the loss due to the 3 exclamation points if we lose…then again, if we win…3 exclamation points forever!!!!!!!! SHUMPITY SHUMP SHUMP!

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    Degree_Absolute says:

    Jorts!

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    Degree_Absolute says:

    John Andriese thinks Jorts has a bright future.

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    DReDD says:

    Jorts!

  18. 18
    DReDD says:

    lookin good so far

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    mura2337 says:

    Don’t get nanners Jorts.

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    llcoolbp says:

    melo is able to physically overpower AI, and he is strong.

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    Nice ball movement. Solid D. Looking good so far (knock wood)

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    tenebrous says:

    Don’t know. Is it hot in here? Should I open the window? Is it cold in here? Should I close the window? Why can’t I just watch the game and enjoy?

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    Mulligan says:

    Too much passing in that last sequence. Somebody other than Melo has to shoot sometimes, dudes

  24. 24

    Love it when Melo/Chandler run the pick and roll together, I think that could be a killer combo.

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    Spree8 says:

    It’s just a matter of sooner or later for the Knicks.

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    xcat01 says:

    I think that Jorts could turn into a poor man’s Bill Laimbeer. He has the shot (sometimes). He is aggressive and dives on the floor for loose balls. He just needs to develop a mean streak and knock a couple PGs down when they drive to the basket.

  27. 27
    Mulligan says:

    Jorts jorts

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    Mulligan says:

    So are the 76er’s gassed or are we much improved? Lil bit o both?

  29. 29
    Degree_Absolute says:

    The bench a.k.a Jorts has already scored more than last game.

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    Mulligan says:

    They sure look like they’re playing their 3rd game in 3 nights…

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    DReDD says:

    xcat01:
    I think that Jorts could turn into a poor man’s Bill Laimbeer.He has the shot (sometimes).He is aggressive and dives on the floor for loose balls.He just needs to develop a mean streak and knock a couple PGs down when they drive to the basket.

    I’m pretty sure he already has a mean streak

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg9QEtvxdq4

  32. 32
    art vandelay says:

    This was one of the best all-around quarters I have seen from Melo on both ends of court since joining NYK.

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    rrude says:

    So MSG is doing something to blur out players tattoos, right? Noticed first on Bibby a few games back and thought maybe he hwas having one removed but now I see it on Shumpert, too. Not a huge tat fan, but that’s a bit weird.

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    BigBlueAL says:

    Start of 2nd quarter with I assume both Melo and Chandler on the bench will be key. Usually doesnt go well for Knicks.

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    dogrufus says:

    Best quarter of the season. Melo with a dream quarter. 9 pts, 2 reb, 3 ast, 2 stl… larry bird style numbers.

    If Melo keeps up this level of individual play he’s made the leap to MVP caliber.

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    BigBlueAL says:

    Mulligan:
    They sure look like they’re playing their 3rd game in 3 nights…

    Teams playing their 3rd in a row are like 6-1 so far this season (or 6-2 by now, I know first 6 teams all won their 3rd in a row).

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    art vandelay:
    This was one of the best all-around quarters I have seen from Melo on both ends of court since joining NYK.

    Ditto

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    BigBlueAL says:

    For being a “guard” Fields shouldnt be allowed to dribble the ball. Ever. lol

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    Mulligan says:

    BigBlueAL: Teams playing their 3rd in a row are like 6-1 so far this season (or 6-2 by now, I know first 6 teams all won their 3rd in a row).

    Ha! What a crazy season..

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    llcoolbp says:

    fields is just turrible with his handle. We need a breakout game from TD.

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    tenebrous says:

    We’re not in the same league as Philly in D.

  42. 42
    tenebrous says:

    Maybe it’s a matter of conditioning?

  43. 43
    BigBlueAL says:

    Just as I feared, offense has become absolute crap with this lineup to start the 2nd quarter.

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    Degree_Absolute says:

    Hearing the fans call for Shumpert on the radio.

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    JamesHA says:

    That lineup was the worst- STAT, TD, Jorts, Fields, Walker

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    Mulligan says:

    Oookay. Stat and Toney should not be playing together..

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    llcoolbp says:

    OK, Bibby please.

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    dogrufus says:

    Fields is a SF playing out of position

    We can’t have a unnit out there with just stat and d-leaguers, d’antoni

    He’s trying to squander our lead with a quickness

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    xcat01 says:

    Can’t wait for BDiddy to be healthy then the Knicks will have 2 guards to run the offense.

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    llcoolbp says:

    i wish we could just drop bill walker. What is he good for? what does he provide? He is just useless. No D, can’t shoot, seems to have lost his hops. utter crap.

  51. 51
    Tony Pena says:

    Fuck it, let’s see some Lin

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    Frank O. says:

    Shump being out there changes everything

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    SeeWhyDee77 says:

    Dutch pants playin really well on defense tonite. I hope we can play with this type of focus on the defensive end for the rest of the season. 1 complaint tho..I think Chandler needs to learn how to block shots. Sounds crazy I know, but all the greats blocked shots an kept the ball in play. Chandler swipes at alot of shots instead of goin up with the intent to block, and the thought that it could land him in foul trouble bothers me. The good thing about it is teams know the big man is protecting that paint, so my complaint is a small issue.
    Watchin Douglas tonite, I think his biggest issue (other than the shoulder) is he seems to be thinking too much. I don’t kno…it jus seems like he’s makin more dumb plays than he did last season. That usually happens when ur thinking too much. After all, being the starting PG on this team is a tough job and he may be feeling too much pressure to perform

  54. 54

    First kelp reference from Clyde

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    xcat01 says:

    Shump even makes Fields better.

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    JK47 says:

    Toney’s minutes probably need to go to Bibby.

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    mura2337 says:

    Great tenacity amare

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    llcoolbp says:

    i just love Jorts out there. He does the little things too. just now when shump kicked to him, he quickly swung it back to shump so he he could then hit the now open STAT in the post. Very high Bball IQ in Jorts.

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    DReDD says:

    Jorts looked pretty good on that drive… shame it didn’t go in

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    DRed says:

    What does Balkman have to do to get PT over Billy Walker? Walker has been pretty useless this year.

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    ess-dog says:

    DRed:
    What does Balkman have to do to get PT over Billy Walker?Walker has been pretty useless this year.

    Agreed.

    This is a good, chippy game we got goin here.

  62. 62
    JamesHA says:

    Aside from Balkman, what did Novak do to get eliminated from existence? Dantoni just hates Balkman i think.

  63. 63

    DRed:
    What does Balkman have to do to get PT over Billy Walker?Walker has been pretty useless this year.

    Balk’s not a shooting guard

  64. 64
    dogrufus says:

    DRed:
    What does Balkman have to do to get PT over Billy Walker?Walker has been pretty useless this year.

    Moar threes

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    tenebrous says:

    rrude:
    So MSG is doing something to blur out players tattoos, right? Noticed first on Bibby a few games back and thought maybe he hwas having one removed but now I see it on Shumpert, too. Not a huge tat fan, but that’s a bit weird.

    Pretty crazy idea if its true.

  66. 66
    d-mar says:

    Spiro is no Breen, but what an improvement over that moron Mike Crispino. I just had him on the radio in the car, and he didn’t give the score for like 10 minutes.

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    dogrufus says:

    JamesHA:
    Aside from Balkman, what did Novak do to get eliminated from existence? Dantoni just hates Balkman i think.

    He’s a good shooter but so one-dimensional he makes Shawne Williams look like Pippen

  68. 68
    tenebrous says:

    llcoolbp:
    i wish we could just drop bill walker. What is he good for? what does he provide? He is just useless. No D, can’t shoot, seems to have lost his hops. utter crap.

    Ur bugging. But now he might b traded.

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    DRed says:

    tenebrous: Pretty crazy idea if its true.

    Seriously? I’d check myself, but well . . .

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    Never thought I’d say this but Melo needs to get a bit more selfish

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    JamesHA says:

    dogrufus: He’s a good shooter but so one-dimensional he makes Shawne Williams look like Pippen

    Yeah, I just ‘heard’ he was good at hitting the 3… I missed a couple of games, but saw him like twice.

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    DRed says:

    Amare has taken 10 shots this half, all from about 10′ or closer. He’s 6-10. Keep it up, big fella. (and maybe get more than 2 rebounds next half)

  73. 73
    JamesHA says:

    Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta): Never thought I’d say this but Melo needs to get a bit more selfish

    I hate that I root for Melo ISOs

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    mura2337 says:

    Is Clyde involved with the team in any way other than calling the games? If not, why not? One of, if not the, best knicks of all time with a clear understanding of the game…

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    DRed says:

    mura2337:
    Is Clyde involved with the team in any way other than calling the games? If not, why not? One of, if not the, best knicks of all time with a clear understanding of the game…

    We’re owned by James Dolan.

  76. 76
    KnickInSeattle says:

    Philly color commentary guy (used to play for the Knicks, not sure who he is) keeps saying he prefers it when Melo is on the floor because the ball stops with him.

    A) Not true tonight as much as some times.
    B) A bit goofy given Melo’s scoring abilities.
    C) Reminds me of this board commentary.

  77. 77
    tenebrous says:

    I think u guys r right: melo doesnt know how to give it up to the hot hand. Aka stat tonight.

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    BigBlueAL says:

    Yeah so Shump’s offense kind of sucked balls at the end of the half.

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    BigBlueAL says:

    KnickInSeattle:
    Philly color commentary guy (used to play for the Knicks, not sure who he is) keeps saying he prefers it when Melo is on the floor because the ball stops with him.

    A) Not true tonight as much as some times.
    B) A bit goofy given Melo’s scoring abilities.
    C) Reminds me of this board commentary.

    Malik Rose

  80. 80
    ruruland says:

    tenebrous: I think u guys r right: melo doesnt know how to give it up to the hot hand. Aka stat tonight.

    youcan’t be serious

  81. 81
    dogrufus says:

    JamesHA: I hate that I root for Melo ISOs

    Noo, I like this unselfish, defense playing Melo better!

  82. 82
    art vandelay says:

    Is Bibby hurt? Is that why he didn’t get any burn whatsoever?

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    ruruland says:

    BigBlueAL: Malik Rose

    Knicks have looked fantastic with ball in non-Melo hands.

  84. 84

    I like the fact that they actually called the 20 second timeout. I hate when teams don’t do that before the half.

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    BigBlueAL says:

    Knicks were in a great rhythm to start the game but one starters went to bench the offense went to crap (except for Stat) and starters couldnt get it back when they re-entered the game.

    Still great 1st half, if Knicks can start 3rd quarter like they did 1st quarter could end this game early with Philly maybe just content to rest players rest of the game if game gets a bit out of hand.

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    Good h alf, but they have to adjust. Doubling Melo is working

  87. 87
    d-mar says:

    Love that Syracuse has a star named Fab Melo

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    llcoolbp says:

    good first half defensively. But i’m starting to agree with the melo critics on this blog. It’s frustrating, if he shares just a little more, he can be so great, and make everyone so much better. He is so skilled offensively and so dangerous, that he really needs to be a decoy more often. STAT needed more touches at the end of the half. It’s shump and melo’s job to get him the ball. Overall though a great first half. But, for the knicks to join the elite, melo is going to have to change his game. After 8 years in the league, i’m not sure he can.

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    JamesHA says:

    dogrufus: Noo, I like this unselfish, defense playing Melo better!

    I know, I know…I just cant stand the useless perimeter passing with no one who can really create (STAT, Shump, exempted) and then dribbling off their foot or some other creative turnover. I’m just kinda saying I take comfort in knowing that at least 1 player knows exactly what he is good at.

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    JamesHA says:

    Oh, but glad Malik got a good job. I hated that he had to suffer as a Knick.

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    Mulligan says:

    Time to get Chandler more involved. Lobham City (who coined that? Jim?) in the 3rd quarter to crack this sucka open

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    d-mar says:

    I hope everyone is noticing that even the much maligned STAT is showing some defensive intensity tonight. Maybe Chandler is creating a team defense mindset like we hoped he would.

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    SeeWhyDee77 says:

    I remember a couple of years agom I clamored for the Knicks to draft Tyreke Evans on this site..if he were available. Watchin Shump…I think he’s everything I thought Evans could be in NY. Maybe even better for the team. They’ve got the same body type, but Shump’s using his length and quickness on D very well. I thought Evans would be that type of player for us. Also, Shump looks very natural as a PG on both ends of the floor. I think he’ll eventually max out as a 2 guard so I hope he can adjust playing Defense when he does play the 2 full time. Guarding 2′s is way different than guarding 1′s. Alot more screens and such and less ballhandling and penetration. But boy does he look great out there. His shot isn’t falling but he sure is a confident and heady kid. Whereas Tyreke Evans seems to have a much lower bball IQ. Looks like the draft went really well for the Knicks, no? Especially with the way Jorts has been playin.

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    Frank O. says:

    Melo gets another assist

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    Caleb says:

    was about to say something nice about his mid-range game, finding good shots, but then he did that stupid thing.

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    latke says:

    BigBlueAL: Knicks were in a great rhythm to start the game but one starters went to bench the offense went to crap (except for Stat) and starters couldnt get it back when they re-entered the game.

    I think a big part was Philly raised the defensive intensity. They weren’t running out on shooters much early on, and they weren’t trapping Carmelo so hard.

    Re: melo ISOs. They were double teaming him 30 feet from the basket, so I don’t think he could shoot. The ball just has to move more. Guys can’t hesitate when they get open shots. It allows the defense to recover, leading to these late in the shot clock chucks.

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    villainx says:

    art vandelay:
    Is Bibby hurt? Is that why he didn’t get any burn whatsoever?

    Last game TV voices said something was bothering Bibby.

  98. 98
    DReDD says:

    I noticed a few times now on defense Melo at the top of the key put his hands up by his ears and wiggled his hands, and Shump did the same at least once. Anybody have an idea of what that means?

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    Frank O. says:

    DReDD:
    I noticed a few times now on defense Melo at the top of the key put his hands up by his ears and wiggled his hands, and Shump did the same at least once. Anybody have an idea of what that means?

    it’s a technical thing. It means, “nanny, nanny boo boo.”
    Lol

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    DRed says:

    DReDD:
    I noticed a few times now on defense Melo at the top of the key put his hands up by his ears and wiggled his hands, and Shump did the same at least once. Anybody have an idea of what that means?

    No idea, extra D

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    Frank O. says:

    Can we buy Iggy?

  102. 102
    Frank O. says:

    You knew Iggy and Melo were going to get into it.
    I told my wife in then1st they would have words before the night ended

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    Gorky says:

    Did Clyde just say “the crowd is getting aroused now”?

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    tenebrous says:

    At least u can’t call this team soft any longer.

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    DReDD says:

    Frank O.: it’s a technical thing. It means, “nanny, nanny boo boo.”
    Lol

    LoL

  106. 106
    Frank O. says:

    This is a great game

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    Tony Pena says:

    poor shump, Mike only knows how to scream at rooks

  108. 108
    scogg888 says:

    ay de mi

  109. 109

    This is the game. Right here. Either they reclaim the
    Ed or they’re in serious trouble

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    Frank O. says:

    Not a good sequence here

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    tenebrous says:

    Bran just boxed out both chan and amare.

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    DRed says:

    And here we go with the long jump shots again.

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    Frank O. says:

    Both teams playing tough on D, but Knicks lack sixers’ depth

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    Frank O. says:

    Melo!!!!

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    DRed says:

    Billy Walker got this.

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    Tony Pena says:

    Please, one shot at Lin

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    Frank O. says:

    TD picks up dribble again, gets in trouble, shits pants, throws ball away. How many years do we have to see that?

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    DRed says:

    Frank O.:
    Both teams playing tough on D, but Knicks lack sixers’ depth

    Especially when we refuse to even play Balkman, Bibby or Jordan.

  119. 119
    llcoolbp says:

    anthony to the rescue. AI is a really physical defender. Those are tough shots.

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    art vandelay says:

    Hard to believe but Melo hasn’t been to the line once tonight so far!

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    llcoolbp says:

    bibby must be hurting. TD, fields, and bill walker, the 3 most brutal bench regulars in the NBA, bar none!

  122. 122
    Frank O. says:

    They’re not a 3 pt team anymore.
    8 pt lead again, Robert. Answered the challenge

  123. 123
    Mulligan says:

    wow, can’t believe we just absorbed that run and took it back up to 8. I woulda guessed we’d fold

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    triplewgf says:

    What the hell was that, Melo O_O

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    Frank O. says:

    JORTS

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    DReDD says:

    llcoolbp:
    bibby must be hurting. TD, fields, and bill walker, the 3 most brutal bench regulars in the NBA, bar none!

    I believe Bibby hurt his knee

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    Mulligan says:

    Just when I’m like “okay Melo, enough ISO” he skips it across court to Jorts for the 3!!

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    llcoolbp says:

    thats what i’m talking about melo!

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    Frank O. says:

    By 11.
    Yeah baby

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    DReDD: I believe Bibby hurt his knee

    I heard it was his foot.

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    Great close out to the half. Really impressive. (though some forced shots by Philly didn’t hurt)

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    KnickInSeattle says:

    Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta):
    Jorts. That is all…

    Awww yeah baby.

  134. 134
    KnickInSeattle says:

    Also, Malik, stfu.

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    KnickFanInCelticLand: I heard it was his foot.

    I heard it was his Bibby

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    DRed says:

    What this site needs to start selling are some Jorts jorts.

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    Frank O. says:

    Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta):
    Great close out to the half. Really impressive. (though some forced shots by Philly didn’t hurt)

    Can’t take that away from Knicks tho.

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    Mulligan says:

    whoa, coulda sworn that security guard standing in front of the refs was Jimmy Dolan

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    BigBlueAL says:

    Lets see how long D’Antoni keeps Melo on the bench.

  140. 140
    Frank O. says:

    Tddwtdd, turnovers that is…

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    triplewgf says:

    WALKER!!!

  142. 142
    llcoolbp says:

    if TD is going to telgraph his passes like that, jeremy lin has to play.

  143. 143
    Mulligan says:

    oh my god get Tony out of the game before he gives the lead away

  144. 144
    Frank O. says:

    Walker is our Forest Gump

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    llcoolbp says:

    STAT is very aggressive today.

  146. 146
    Frank O. says:

    Honestly, I cringed when TD got that break away. It’s gotten that bad…

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    Frank O. says:

    Man, Stat was giving Turner some shit.

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    llcoolbp says:

    shump and stat must have fun in the weight room, trying to out do each other with the bench press.

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    KnickInSeattle says:

    Impressive play.

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    BigBlueAL says:

    Gotta give this unit credit, they are actually extending the lead. Hell they might be putting this game away!!

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    ess-dog says:

    Hot damn Shump!

  152. 152
    Frank O. says:

    SHUMP steals then threads dish to Stat!!!

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    llcoolbp says:

    love the bench showing love to shump after that pass to stat.

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    DRed says:

    I like this Amar’e. Throw it down, big fella!

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    BigBlueAL says:

    Melo was one of the first guys off the bench fired up as hell greeting the players coming to the bench.

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    Gorky says:

    SHUMP SHUMP

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    DReDD says:

    nice steal, awesome pass by shump shump

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    Frank O. says:

    SHUMP has played some very quick small guards very tough. His strength has become and issue for the points he’s guarding

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    Mulligan says:

    Man, Shump’s the real deal, isn’t he?

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    The Infamous Cdiggy says:

    I think we have ourselves a guard!

    …and of course he dribbles into getting his cookies taken.. oh well. still like him alot.

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    ess-dog says:

    Walker needs to stop fading to the side on his shot.

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    Frank O. says:

    Sixes have at least one more surge left. If Knicks can make a stand, it’s going to be over. But they can’t let sixes back in. They will burn a lot of energy to close

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    DRed says:

    Shump is still a chucker, but he’s definitely got a ton of potential. Just needs to work on his shot selection (and his shot), but that’s hopefully fixable.

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    Frank O. says:

    Good time out

  165. 165
    The Infamous Cdiggy says:

    Frank O you are a prophet (unfortunately)

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    BigBlueAL says:

    Shump needs to stop shooting 3′s unless he is WIDE OPEN.

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    tenebrous says:

    I didn’t know Philly was nbas hottest team?

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    Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta): I heard it was his Bibby

    You bet your sweet bibby it was!

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    llcoolbp says:

    melo getting hosed now.

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    chrisk06811 says:

    I just got home and saw the score. Did someone say SHUMP SHUMP yet?

  171. 171
    Frank O. says:

    Chandler with 12 boards
    Anthony with 8 boards
    Stat with 7 boards

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    Caleb says:

    rookie move

  173. 173
    Frank O. says:

    SHUMP shooting a little too much? He’s 5-15

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    JK47 says:

    Amar’e's defense is just the worst.

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    llcoolbp says:

    this philly team is tough. 3 games in 3 nights, and they still have tremendous defensive intensity. You can tell they are running on fumes.

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    Caleb says:

    and again.

    but you can see why Philly is good, really good. This group, plus Spencer Hawes who’s been putting up 17 and 10. They’re just stacked at the 1-2-3, and all young guys.

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    Frank O. says:

    Caleb:
    and again.

    but you can see why Philly is good, really good. This group, plus Spencer Hawes who’s been putting up 17 and 10. They’re just stacked at the 1-2-3, and all young guys.

    And they have Iggy

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    Mulligan says:

    feel like this game is just going to slog back and forth between teams shooting foul shots

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    Frank O. says:

    Both teams in the penalty. There’s gonna be a lot of scoring with the clock stopped. Not good

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    llcoolbp says:

    how great would AI look next to shump. absolutely would be a killer backcourt defensively.

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    Frank O. says:

    Great D!!!

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    xduckshoex says:

    Ive only caught the 4th quarter so far but Shump’s defense on Holiday has looked great. I like the kid more every day.

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    tenebrous says:

    It’s a good game for the Knicks to win.

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    Frank O. says:

    Our shot selection kind of sucks, but the sixers are probably the best D they have seen

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    Jeebus. Does either team want to win this?

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    llcoolbp says:

    just ugly ball right now. But you have to win these ugly games. Especially in this lockout shortened season.

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    Frank O. says:

    Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta):
    Jeebus. Does either team want to win this?

    Both Ds are very tough

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    BigBlueAL says:

    The lockout really has fucked up the quality of play in the NBA so far this season.

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    The Infamous Cdiggy says:

    i think I understand the Melo-iso offense a bit: if he hits a few tough shots or gets to the line a few times, he can draw a double or triple-team and he can kick out. The problem with it tonight is:
    A. Iguodala can harass Melo
    B. Melo can pass some, but he’s not THAT good enough a passer to make the right decision each time.
    C. His shot selection sometimes is.. well.. ehh.

    I guess it might have to do though a bit until Davis is healthy. I really think this team can do some big things with consistently good ball movement.

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    llcoolbp says:

    AI is just awesome defensively, and anthony hero ball is just getting old.

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    Mulligan says:

    Oh god…

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    The Infamous Cdiggy says:

    Knicks D (plus Philly’s bricking) is saving them, but mannnnn they need to make a shot.

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    Frank O. says:

    Oh shit. 4 pt game

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    Caleb says:

    nice D from Landry, anticipating that screen which basically broke up the play. ANd CHandler is all over it.

    OF course the offense then breaks down entirely thanks to Shump.

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    Frank O. says:

    Getting to predictable. ISo Anthony, and whole team collapses on him and he doesn’t find his teammates

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    BigBlueAL says:

    How the hell was that not a foul??

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    The Infamous Cdiggy says:

    I know Philly’s D is good, but we’ve forgotten how to pass. Literally. Even Shump-Shump is overdribbling.

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    Mulligan says:

    Why do they stop running anything resembling a play? Whyyyy?!?

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    xduckshoex says:

    Bah.

    Shumpert clearly thought that was supposed to be a pick and roll but it looked like Anthony called an audible to go one on one. What a bad idea.

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    Caleb says:

    Great D, Philly. Not a bad move from Carmelo, although you could argue he shouldn’t have gotten himself boxed into the corner there.

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    BigBlueAL says:

    Frank O.:
    Getting to predictable. ISo Anthony, and whole team collapses on him and he doesn’t find his teammates

    Shump handling the ball has been just as disastrous unfortunately. This is a perfect example of the Knicks needing a real PG.

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    ess-dog says:

    Frank O.:
    Getting to predictable. ISo Anthony, and whole team collapses on him and he doesn’t find his teammates

    The play there called for the kick out to Shump but he’s 0-6 from three tonight. Tough call for Melo.

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    Nick C. says:

    Shump is really gonna be something special once he gets a bit more experience. In a Clydeism Melo was tenacious and sagacious.

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    Mulligan says:

    Wait, STAT was not open?

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    ess-dog says:

    Gotta hand it to Philly. They are a tough, smart defensive team.

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    Frank O. says:

    Gut check time

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    Gorky says:

    AAAAAAAARRRRGH

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    Caleb says:

    now that was lame.

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    Frank O. says:

    Sixers are putting a defensive clinic down the stretch. Amare has disappeared

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    Mulligan says:

    Frank O.:
    Gut check time

    :(

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    llcoolbp says:

    if we hang on to this we should consider ourselves lucky.

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    Frank O. says:

    Need to ice this game now, Melo

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    Mulligan says:

    Okee doke, c’mon Melo

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    Caleb says:

    a stop here would virtually ice it.

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    BigBlueAL says:

    This is a Jeff Van Gundy era type win. lol

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    llcoolbp says:

    melo to ice this, but ugly game.

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    Mulligan says:

    It’s a bit of a bummer because we have played quite well at points in this game and in the last Bobcats game, but it gets kind of lost in the 4th quarter collapse

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    No one on either team has made a basket for six mins. Unreal

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    tenebrous says:

    Knicks were just toying with them. That’s what it looked like.

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    Frank O. says:

    llcoolbp:
    if we hang on to this we should consider ourselves lucky.

    Respectfully, this is a great win against the hottest team in the NBA.
    And teams that play their third straight seem to win an inordinate amount of games. I think they do because they’re in sync.
    But this is a very good team they have lead for three straight periods. This sixers

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    scogg888 says:

    i’ll take it…lots of things to improve on

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    tenebrous says:

    That’s not right.

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    Frank O. says:

    This Sixers team has a win differential that is by far the best in the nba. I recall people noting the Knicks differential was far worse.
    A tough win, at home against a quality team.
    Very pleassed

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    Mulligan says:

    tenebrous:
    Knicks were just toying with them. That’s what it looked like.

    You’re joking right? Unless by “toying” you mean completely failing to execute on offense for half of the quarter (11 turnovers) and allowing the 76er’s to come within 2 possessions of winning it .

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    Caleb says:

    @220 I wouldn’t go that far, playing 3rd in a row is a huge disadvantage. But Philly is good, and Knicks win, so kudos.

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    ess-dog says:

    Sixers missed Hawes tonight but we played some gritty D.

    We’re a defensive team now!

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    BigBlueAL says:

    D’Antoni looked like he aged 20 years leaving the court lol

    Hey Philly is considered to be the hottest team in the NBA, the Knicks underachievers and guess what, Knicks 1 game back of them in the standings right now.

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    llcoolbp says:

    knicks stop running their offensive the last 5 minutes of the game. The go into melo “hero” ball mode. They need to just keep running their offense.

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    Nick C. says:

    A bit ugly at the end but a nice win.. In effect this game dowas won in the first quarter.

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    The Infamous Cdiggy says:

    tenebrous:
    Knicks were just toying with them. That’s what it looked like.

    dude, did you see the lack of ball movement and turnovers in that 4th quarter? i have to disagree there, but it’s still a good win.

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    Mulligan says:

    That said, I’m glad they held on to win it. There were stretches where the offense and defense both looked excellent (the defense more than the offense). The 76ers are a hot team right now and we definitely held them in check.

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    xduckshoex says:

    I’ll take the win but I’m still holding off on saying this team is for real because there was no Spencer Hawes. The Sixers were hot coming into this game, but starting Tony Battie will cool off any team.

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    Z-man says:

    Not pretty but we’ll take it.

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    Mulligan says:

    Yeah, I think it’s early to say we’re “for real” yet. Definitely a work in progress, but when things are clicking they show flashes of real potential.

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    JK47 says:

    Not a great game in terms of offensive efficiency but the Sixers are a really tough defensive team even without Hawes. The Knicks’ improvement on the defensive end has been a refreshing change. They’re still not a great defensive team but they’re definitely improving.

    D’Antoni rode the starting five very hard tonight; I hope they have something left for Memphis. Memphis has been dreadful on offense this year so hopefully the Knicks can keep up the good work on D.

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    The Infamous Cdiggy says:

    let’s give it up to Josh Harrelson, our best three-pt shooter tonight!

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    KnickInSeattle says:

    TD leads the team in +- for this game…?

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    tenebrous says:

    Mulligan: 225
    Caleb
    January 11, 2012 at 10:03 pm
    @220 I wouldn’t go that far, playing 3rd in a row is a huge disadvantage. But Philly is good, and Knicks win, so kudos.

      

    (Quote)

    They toyed with us past few years. Y not return the respect.

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    Frank O. says:

    Last four games Knicks yielded 79, 87, 80, and 96.
    Pretty damn good D

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    DReDD says:

    Frank O.:
    Last four games Knicks yielded 79, 87, 80, and 96.
    Pretty damn good D

    This is what I’m most happy about

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    BigBlueAL says:

    This Knicks team wont be for real until Baron Davis comes back and is hopefully healthy for rest of the season.

    PG play is KILLING this team. Shump has improved the team’s defense dramatically with his defense on PG’s but he is still nowhere near being a decent PG on offense. We cant have Melo bringing the ball up the floor all the time especially with somone like Iggy pressing him in the backcourt down the stretch.

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    Juany8 says:

    This game desperately showed why we need a real point guard. Before Melo tried to go one on five, Shumpert was getting destroyed by ball pressure and everyone was coughing up the ball at every opportunity. Couple that with refs being a little more friendly to the Sixers near the end and you have the recipe for a huge collapse. We really don’t need some world beater PG, just someone who knows how to handle ball pressure and run an offense smoothly. I really, really think Baron can be that guy, and that once he’s here and we can bench Landry, we’ll have one of the best starting 5 in the league (SHUMP SHUMP should be considered for All defensive teams, he’s an absolute monster on that end). Our bench will still be a nightmare, but Jorts, Landry, and Douglas have the capacity to be solid rotation players once they settle into their proper roles (Toney Douglas can’t even dribble against ball pressure, much less run a pick and roll)

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    Caleb says:

    I think the main problem down the stretch is that Shumpert had the ball in his hands and was awful – overdribbling, ugly turnovers, stupid shots, you name it. If hero-ball with Melo is bad, hero-ball with Shumpert is something else. Of course it’s like his 5th game as a pro so we can hope for better.

    Knicks are obviously playing better the last few games – partly Shump, partly just rounding into form. I know the bench has been brutal, but seriously – it won’t be this bad forever. Douglas and Walker each have a couple of years of solid play under their belt, and Fields was actualyl good last year. Odds are very that one or two of those guys will end up having a solid season.

    I know D’Antoni is too inflexible to really play Balkman, which is one of his major problems as a coach – he plays favorites and holds grudges – since about 95 percent of NBA coaching is putting your best players on the floor, D’Antoni condemns himself to mediocrity in the coaching profession.

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    tenebrous says:

    This team has a lot more weapons and they need to b utilized more. Use more players. Make two three teams within the team. We got some sharp shooters. Stop just playing the starters. Let the starters rest as well. Earn ur money u say. Hey, a win is a win.

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    tenebrous says:

    DReDD: This is what I’m most happy about

    Absolutely, beautifully done.

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    nicos says:

    I wasn’t crazy about the Baron Davis signing initially, but this team really needs someone who will actually run a play in the 4th quarter. Fields played very well defensively, hopefully he can build on that and make some kind of an impact on offense- it seems he and Walker have made a non-shooting pact. A couple of silly fouls aside, I thought TD was much better on D tonight as well, unfortunately he also threw a couple of the worst entry passes I’ve ever seen. Shumpert struggled as well- he never be taking heat check threes as he did twice after making a couple of 15 footers- I thought he was unusually passive on D early but then picked it up.

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    JK47 says:

    Melo leads the team in assists pretty much every game and seems to be the primary ballhandler for the team. To say that we need a real PG is an understatement.

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    jaylamerique says:

    Caleb:
    I think the main problem down the stretch is that Shumpert had the ball in his hands and was awful – overdribbling, ugly turnovers, stupid shots, you name it. If hero-ball with Melo is bad, hero-ball with Shumpert is something else. Of course it’s like his 5th game as a pro so we can hope for better.

    Knicks are obviously playing better the last few games – partly Shump, partly just rounding into form. I know the bench has been brutal, but seriously – it won’t be this bad forever. Douglas and Walker each have a couple of years of solid play under their belt, and Fields was actualyl good last year. Odds are very that one or two of those guys will end up having a solid season.

    I know D’Antoni is too inflexible to really play Balkman, which is one of his major problems as a coach – he plays favorites and holds grudges – since about 95 percent of NBA coaching is putting your best players on the floor, D’Antoni condemns himself to mediocrity in the coaching profession.

    who should balkman play over?

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    d-mar says:

    Frank O.: .

    How many times tonight did we hear “wide open from 3″ or “so and so uncontested down the lane” like we heard over and over last year? Totally different defensive Knick team with Chandler out there, everyone’s helping, communicating. That steal by Anthony on Young at the end was the perfect example, not his man, but just playing great help defense.

    That’s 2 games in a row where our offense was shaky and we won anyway, a very good sign IMO.

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    Frank O. says:

    Dear friends on this board:
    I am amused when we win that folks are concerned that the Knicks’ execution under pressure from a very tough team was not perfect.
    Honestly, even great teams yield errors.
    The Knicks held this team to 79 points. Imagine you made love to your wife and succeeded in pleasing her five times. Applying this board’s logic, your wife would then note that you did not succeed SIX times.
    Yes, they struggled under pressure. But they also applied tremendous pressure. They are not just out scoring teams this year. Their defense has been imposing.
    Shump played a solid game, and as Caleb noted, the rook made some rookie errors. But despite these shortcomings, the Knicks triumphed because they got timely bench play, key defensive stops, and some toughness.

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    tenebrous says:

    jaylamerique: who should balkman play over?

    Harrlson

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    d-mar says:

    Frank O.:
    Last four games Knicks yielded 79, 87, 80, and 96.
    Pretty damn good D

    How many times tonight did we hear “wide open from 3? or “so and so uncontested down the lane” like we heard over and over last year? Totally different defensive Knick team with Chandler out there, everyone’s helping, communicating. That steal by Anthony on Young at the end was the perfect example, not his man, but just playing great help defense.

    That’s 2 games in a row where our offense was shaky and we won anyway, a very good sign IMO.

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    BigBlueAL says:

    I think Shump is having as great of an impact on the team defense as Chandler has had. Also Melo and Fields seem to be playing much, much better defense than they did last year. But again it helps when you have great defense on the opposing PG and a great backline defender like Chandler is.

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    Frank O. says:

    tenebrous: Harrlson

    George is dead…unless you mean harrelson…lol

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    Mulligan says:

    tenebrous: Harrlson

    Dude, your observations make no sense to me. Balk & Jorts don’t even play the same position.. It seems like English is possibly not your first language, but I don’t think that sufficiently accounts for your quixotic posts.

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    jon abbey says:

    clearly the power of SHUMP SHUMP transcends exclamation points, nice to see we have some leeway going forward.

    nice win, even with the Hawes and 3 games in 3 nights factors. Milwaukee may make a push, but basically the East has already divided into playoff and non-playoff teams, and once you’re in, how you play against bad teams doesn’t matter. 1-0 against eventual Eastern playoff teams, nice to see.

    only 23 assists combined for the two teams, that is some good D and some bad O.

    how much will NY jump in tomorrow’s Hollinger rankings? :)

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    d-mar says:

    Frank O.:
    Dear friends on this board:
    I am amused when we win that folks are concerned that the Knicks’ execution under pressure from a very tough team was not perfect.
    Honestly, even great teams yield errors.
    The Knicks held this team to 79 points. Imagine you made love to your wife and succeeded in pleasing her five times. Applying this board’s logic, your wife would then note that you did not succeed SIX times.
    Yes, they struggled under pressure. But they also applied tremendous pressure. They are not just out scoring teams this year. Their defense has been imposing.
    Shump played a solid game, and as Caleb noted, the rook made some rookie errors. But despite these shortcomings, the Knicks triumphed because they got timely bench play, key defensive stops, and some toughness.

    Frank, I think some on this board will only be happy if we beat Miami by 30 in Miami on the tail end of a back to back to back to back to back.

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    jaylamerique says:

    tenebrous: Harrlson

    Jorts is a good post defender and smart with team defensive concepts. He spreads the floor a bit. Also, jorts plays mins. with chandler. A pairing of chandler and balkman would be bad for spacing

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    Mulligan says:

    Frank O.:
    Dear friends on this board:
    I am amused when we win that folks are concerned that the Knicks’ execution under pressure from a very tough team was not perfect.
    Honestly, even great teams yield errors.
    The Knicks held this team to 79 points. Imagine you made love to your wife and succeeded in pleasing her five times. Applying this board’s logic, your wife would then note that you did not succeed SIX times.
    Yes, they struggled under pressure. But they also applied tremendous pressure. They are not just out scoring teams this year. Their defense has been imposing.
    Shump played a solid game, and as Caleb noted, the rook made some rookie errors. But despite these shortcomings, the Knicks triumphed because they got timely bench play, key defensive stops, and some toughness.

    C’mon Frank. That 4th quarter was in no way orgasmic. More like premature ejaculation iso, turnover, foul on the other end.

    Still they won it because of 3 quarters of excellent play and some quality defensive possessions in the 4th. Gotta give credit where it’s due.

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    llcoolbp says:

    great game in boston tonight, coming to the wire. Nowitzki is just money. He had garnett draped on him like a cheap suit, and converted a 3 point play.

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    daJudge says:

    Agree with Caleb’s observations almost entirely. Certainly Balkman could have gotten some burn tonight. His energy alone would have helped. I thought Shump’s D was awesome, but his PG skills were less than stellar. He did not react well to ball pressure at all and those studying film will no doubt recognize this issue. I thought TD showed some signs. Did Fields score? Melo got mauled a bit, but really played crappy in the fourth. The overall D was evident; however, we would have lost to a rested Philly team tonight.

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    llcoolbp says:

    Yessss, boston loses. 4-5. I will sleep well tonight.

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    jon abbey says:

    jaylamerique: who should balkman play over?

    there’s no need in most games in this gruelling schedule to only play eight guys, and Fields certainly does not need 35 minutes with the way that he’s playing. Novak should get a chance to shoot a few in the second quarter most nights too, and if he’s on, he can try again in the second half.

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    llcoolbp says:

    heat- clippers time on ESPN. let’s hope lob city can take down the heat.

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    llcoolbp says:

    is is just me, or dose CP3 look out of shape and chubby?

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    xduckshoex says:

    Frank O.:
    Dear friends on this board:
    I am amused when we win that folks are concerned that the Knicks’ execution under pressure from a very tough team was not perfect.
    Honestly, even great teams yield errors.
    The Knicks held this team to 79 points. Imagine you made love to your wife and succeeded in pleasing her five times. Applying this board’s logic, your wife would then note that you did not succeed SIX times.
    Yes, they struggled under pressure. But they also applied tremendous pressure. They are not just out scoring teams this year. Their defense has been imposing.
    Shump played a solid game, and as Caleb noted, the rook made some rookie errors. But despite these shortcomings, the Knicks triumphed because they got timely bench play, key defensive stops, and some toughness.

    I was going to write an excuse to remain critical, but f*** it, you’re right. I’m just gonna enjoy the win and the fact that the Knicks are likely a top 10 defensive team in the NBA once the numbers from tonights games are calculated.

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    tenebrous says:

    I think this win was for mr. Know it all: sir Barkley

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    llcoolbp says:

    blake has really improved his game, has a midrange now, and it even looks like he has worked on the dribble as well.

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    Thomas B. says:

    Shump did not have great game.

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    tenebrous says:

    We have a pg his name is Lin. Right?

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    DReDD says:

    Knuggs w/ 32 asssists, 3rd period just ended. Gallo and Mozzie Bear looking good. Hell even Harrington is passing

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    Frank O. says:

    tenebrous:
    I think this win was for mr. Know it all: sir Barkley

    Charlesmhates the Knicks. I learned why tonight. The clip they showed of the Knicks pushing a broom across the floor after sweeping them. That would stick with anyone…lol

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    Mulligan says:

    jon abbey: there’s no need in most games in this gruelling schedule to only play eight guys, and Fields certainly does not need 35 minutes with the way that he’s playing. Novak should get a chance to shoot a few in the second quarter most nights too, and if he’s on, he can try again in the second half.

    Definitely agree with this and Caleb’s point above (although I disagree that he holds grudges). I think D’Antoni is a big proponent of using a smaller group of players to get into a rhythm with each other and it has yielded results in the past (i remember a lot of folks attributing our big winning streak last year to the implementation of a shortened rotation). I would imagine he’s probably trying to focus on getting a core group of guys on the same page before he brings in more guys off the bench. I’d expect them to get more burn once everything’s clicking a bit better.

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    d-mar says:

    Boston only had 45 shot attempts vs. Mavs. How is that even possible, that’s like one shot per minute. Just googled, it breaks the old record of 53 set in 1997. Unbelievable.

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    jaylamerique says:

    Mulligan: Definitely agree with this and Caleb’s point above (although I disagree that he holds grudges). I think D’Antoni is a big proponent of using a smaller group of players to get into a rhythm with each other and it has yielded results in the past (i remember a lot of folks attributing our big winning streak last year to the implementation of a shortened rotation). I would imagine he’s probably trying to focus on getting a core group of guys on the same page before he brings in more guys off the bench. I’d expect them to get more burn once everything’s clicking a bit better.

    yah, that whole grudges thing was ridiculous. The players who have accused MDA in the past are curry,marbury,hughes,robinson,AR. four of those players are cancers in the lockeroom and the other is an idiot on the floor

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    jaylamerique says:

    The knicks need a stretch 4. i think they miss S.Williams ability to open up the floor for the scores

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    BigBlueAL says:

    d-mar:
    Boston only had 45 shot attempts vs. Mavs. How is that even possible, that’s like one shot per minute. Just googled, it breaks the old record of 53 set in 1997. Unbelievable.

    Box score I just looked at had them with 64 FGA.

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    d-mar says:

    BigBlueAL: Box score I just looked at had them with 64 FGA.

    Doh! My bad, my ESPN feed wasn’t refreshing. 64 is pretty damn low though.

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    llcoolbp says:

    just watching the lakers/jazz game now. It’s funny how similar the lakers offense looks like the knicks in the fourth quarter with kobe playing “hero ball”

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    tenebrous says:

    Frank O.: Charlesmhates the Knicks. I learned why tonight. The clip they showed of the Knicks pushing a broom across the floor after sweeping them. That would stick with anyone…lol

    Yeah well those Knicks (if u can call them that) didn’t win the championship. So that was over. These Knicks r dif players and should b loved by chuck etc etc etc …

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    llcoolbp says:

    i love nba action, another great game out in utah. my wife is telling me to come to bed. I can’t stop watching. Might have been a big mistake getting nba league pass.

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    tenebrous says:

    d-mar:
    Boston only had 45 shot attempts vs. Mavs. How is that even possible, that’s like one shot per minute. Just googled, it breaks the old record of 53 set in 1997. Unbelievable.

    jaylamerique:
    The knicks need a stretch 4. i think they miss S.Williams ability to open up the floor for the scores

    They have harrilson and when fields and walker and Balkan r given the green … Well good solid shots should come about etc etc etc …

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    latke says:

    jaylamerique:
    The knicks need a stretch 4. i think they miss S.Williams ability to open up the floor for the scores

    Extra E is shooting 27% from the floor and 21% from three so far this season. The spread the floor big is Novak, but what we really miss is the old Toney Douglas… A guy who can create some offense when the bench is in.

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    llcoolbp says:

    damn raja bell has been around for a long time.

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    tenebrous says:

    latke: Extra E is shooting 27% from the floor and 21% from three so far this season. The spread the floor big is Novak, but what we really miss is the old Toney Douglas… A guy who can create some offense when the bench is in.

    Lin is way faster than td

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    llcoolbp says:

    kobe and melo are so similar. Even with his 5 rings, kobe could be so much greater if he put more trust in his teamates. He literally took every shot the last 4 minutes of the game. He missed the game winner, and now it’s going into OT. I’m also watching the Heat game, and players like lebron just have a different type of DNA, they trust their teammates (in lebron’s case maybe he is too passive in the past).

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