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Wednesday, August 27, 2014

2012 Game Thread: Knicks v. Pistons

Your in-game thoughts here.

160 comments on “2012 Game Thread: Knicks v. Pistons

  1. Jim Cavan (@JPCavan)

    Hey y’all. Doing something different for the recap tonight. Basically, I’ll be incorporating one outside tweet per player into the report card. So if you’re into the whole Twitter thing, holla at me with your thoughts. The funnier the better. Within reason, of course.

    Let’s do this.

  2. Robert Silverman (@BobSaietta)

    Jim Cavan (@JPCavan):
    Hey y’all. Doing something different for the recap tonight. Basically, I’ll be incorporating one outside tweet per player into the report card. So if you’re into the whole Twitter thing, holla at me with your thoughts. The funnier the better. Within reason, of course.

    Let’s do this.

    Running out of ways to write, “The Knicks are bad”? Right there with ya, homes.

    FYI – If y’all haven’t read this (and I’m pretty sure it was in a prior thread) it’s definitely worth the effort: http://basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2039

  3. mura2337

    I’m pulling for not just Detroit, but for everybody we play against. Take a top 5 pick. Might be someone with talent. Might even be someone who plays a position of need. I know, I know…sounds crazy, right? Well, so does the prospect of us winning a chip in the next 2 years. I’ll take the youth.

  4. Nick C.

    Beautiful. Melo goes iso with his back to the basket, defended so he passed out to Fields who hits the three.

  5. max fisher-cohen

    Effort is there, and they definitely are focusing on getting the ball to Chandler at the rim. That means they haven’t tuned MDA out. Let’s see if we can play a complete game.

  6. ruruland

    Nick C.: Beautiful. Melo goes iso with his back to the basket, defended so he passed out to Fields who hits the three.

    He’s been doing that all year. Just hit the shot/

  7. Nick C.

    ruruland: He’s been doing that all year. Just hit the shot/

    I wasn’t goofing on Melo. The post up he just did on Stuckey was the play they seemed to run over and over in the NCAAs when SU needed it.

  8. cgreene

    can we not have one of those nights where the offense starts to click but the defense reverts back to 2007. thanks

  9. ruruland

    Nick C.: Melo to Fields again for three!

    He’s been making that pass to Fields and others all year. Melo has 5 assists tonight in the first quarter, making about the same amount of passes he typically makes.

    Is he hijacking the offense?

  10. Richmond County

    Is it nice to see the inside-out game clicking for a change or what? Collapse the D and kick it out. Look at all those open looks.

  11. BigBlueAL

    cgreene:
    melo just killed his TS% w that half court heave.Take note, THCJ. (:

    I think its safe to say Melo will never be accused of purposely not taking tough shots to not hurt his FG%.

  12. ruruland

    Richmond County: Is it nice to see the inside-out game clicking for a change or what? Collapse the D and kick it out. Look at all those open looks.

    they have been getting those kinds of looks all year .

  13. d-mar

    Wow, I referee high school basketball, and I’ve never seen a more blatant travel than what Walker just did. Amazing.

  14. ruruland

    Nick C.: Just enjoy the game and stop trying to instigate arguments.

    Mind yourself. There is rarely a voice to make for a two-sided argument. Besides, these are facts.

    Knicks have had these kind of open shots all year long. Making a few tonight.

  15. BigBlueAL

    Mike D’Antoni any day now is going to strangle Bill Walker. The opposite of Spree and Carlisemo.

  16. Richmond County

    ruruland: Mind yourself. There is rarely a voice to make for a two-sided argument. Besides, these are facts.

    Knicks have had these kind of open shots all year long. Making a few tonight.

    Read my whole post. “inside-out game clicking FOR A CHANGE.” I agreed with you and you’re still arguing. This is a nice showing so far. Let’s just enjoy the game.

  17. Sugarjesus

    Before I get elated, I need to remind myself, Melo has had almost a week off, the Knicks have had 2 days. We have a ridiculous 3 game back to back stretch coming up. That’s a test.

  18. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Adding to your downerism, Sugarjesus, it is kind of depressing to see how bad Detroit is and then realize, “Wow, the Knicks have just three more wins than this awful team, and one of those wins came…against this awful team.”

  19. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Damn auto correct s/b Clyde

    I was truly confused as to what you were trying to say. I was desperately trying to work the game of Clue into a conversation about puns. I got nowhere, so I am pleased that it was a typo.

  20. Nick C.

    I don’t think anyone can complain about the offense so far. I will chalk it up to the Knicks rather than the weak opposition.

  21. Degree_Absolute

    I wish I could watch this game thinking that we have broken out of it, but playing Detroit is fool’s gold.

  22. BigBlueAL

    Hoping Knicks put this game away in the 3rd quarter.

    Somehow winning 2 of 3 to end this week would be freaking great.

  23. cgreene

    I have a mildly good feeling that this is the beginning of something that I did not have in Charlotte. Even though Detroit is terrible. Fields has had a very nice 5-7 game stretch and is starting to get chemistry with Melo. Melo is getting healthy and moving the ball. Tyson is Tyson. Now if we could just get Amare going and Baron plays like an avg PG and we move Shump over this team could be ok. Then maybe add a JR Smith or KMart… of course we COULD lose to the Pistons w a terrible second half.

  24. Z-man

    From an aesthetic point of view, by far our best half of the season. Detroit has made a bunch of tough shots to keep this one close.

    Nice to see Fields look like an NBA player for a change.

  25. Degree_Absolute

    Z-man: Nice to see Fields look like an NBA player for a change.

    I think Fields has been much better over the last 5 games.

  26. Ben R

    That was some of the best ball movement I’ve seen all year. Melo is moving the ball a lot quicker. It should be catch the ball, then within two seconds you should post, drive or pass. Melo is really embracing that this game. Maybe the rest and a day of practice helped.

    If Melo keeps this up our offense will start to click. Decent balance too, Melo 10 shots, Fields, Amare 6 shots, Shumpert, Chandler 4 shots.

    It’s good to see ball movement without relying on the PG to start everything. 13 assists only 2 from PGs. Keep movin the ball and this game is easy.

  27. Bruno Almeida

    well, I’m glad the team looks so much better, even if Detroit is incredibly bad.

    at least they do have NBA players, unlike the Bobcats.

    let’s hope this is the start of something, at last.

  28. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    all i ask is they stay consistent with there play and it looks like d’antoni is doing better with his rotations i dont know anybody have any ideas about that

  29. Z-man

    I call ‘em like I see ‘em. It’s only because the Knicks are so thin that he isn’t buried on the bench by now, as he would be on most teams based on his play this year. He’s having a great game tonight, in fact his 4 3-ptrs are equal to our lead. Does that make up for the 11-49 he put up from 3 prior to this or the 65% he’s been shooting from the line? Sorry, not yet.

  30. Ben R

    Degree_Absolute: I think Fields has been much better over the last 5 games.

    Actually for the last 7 games. In fact including this game Fields has scored over 10 points in 7 of the last 8, shot 50% or better in 7 of 8 and has scored over 15 4 of the last 8.

  31. daJudge

    How can Fields look so awesome in one game and so crappy in another? Was he a bit out of shape or what? I do think the Knicks are buying into the ball movement/trust notion. I have been very, very critical of the coach, but the statements regarding Coach today by players were significant to me. They are sticking with him and buying into his mantra. Like football, it’s easy to talk, but we will see if there is a commitment (to passing/ball movement) against a better team. Apologize for not being clear, but, by analogy, it is like sticking to the run, even when you get stuffed a number of times. The crowd hates it, but you need to continue your game plan/strategy. When you bust a blitz with a draw for 20, everyone is happy. When the Knicks play a better team, they still need to move the ball, even if it doesn’t work at first blush. No hero ball before you need a hero. The caveat, minimally, is that our guards need to, have to, hit the open J to constitute a threat and open the court. Rant over.

  32. BigBlueAL

    Melo looking like he is moving a little gingerly now. Remember he said his thumb and wrist arent the problem anymore (you can tell with his shooting tonight) but his ankle was still giving him trouble.

    Hopefully my pre-game wish of a blowout and no Melo in the 4th quarter comes true.

  33. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    see this is were MDA sux he should be at least be putting jeremy lin and jerome jordan to play with his hot people and put his defensive juggernauts on the bench

  34. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    wow even though he was fouled t chandler still got the ball to the outlet and hes shooting free throws

  35. Richmond County

    @86 I think he’s leaving the starters together to help build chemistry. I’d like to see Lin, too, but this is basically a scrimmage for the starters against the practice squad right now, which is priceless in a lockout shortened season. We need the starters to work well with each other before we get too caught up developing players.

  36. llcoolbp

    well, this is a refreshing change. They still need to close this out. Hopefully the reserves see a lot of action in the 4th. we have our 3 game straight stretch coming up.

  37. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    daJudge:
    How can Fields look so awesome in one game and so crappy in another?Was he a bit out of shape or what?I do think the Knicks are buying into the ball movement/trust notion. I have been very, very critical of the coach, but the statements regarding Coach today by players were significant to me.They are sticking with him and buying into his mantra.Like football,it’s easy to talk, but we will see if there is a commitment (to passing/ball movement) against a better team.Apologize for not being clear, but, by analogy, it is like sticking to the run, even when you get stuffed a number of times.The crowd hates it, but you need to continue your game plan/strategy.When you bust a blitz with a draw for 20, everyone is happy.When the Knicks play a better team, they still need to move the ball, even if it doesn’t work at first blush.No hero ball before you need a hero.The caveat, minimally, is that our guards need to, have to, hit the open J to constitute a threat and open the court. Rant over.

    just to let you know for the past week these have been his numbers offensively but defensively the sun shines on a dogs a$$ at least once a day

  38. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    Richmond County:
    @86 I think he’s leaving the starters together to help build chemistry.I’d like to see Lin, too, but this is basically a scrimmage for the starters against the practice squad right now, which is priceless in a lockout shortened season.We need the starters to work well with each other before we get too caught up developing players.

    while i agree the b players need to learn to mesh with the starters that’s just my perspective its a long season and we have 3 straight coming up so that means if we are winning by twenty you try to incorporate players you normally don’t use to see if they mesh

  39. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    Z-man:
    He ain’t taking any chances after losing 9 of 10.

    this is a game that the knicks should not be able to lose cause Detroit doesn’t have a defense so this the perfect time to see what kinda bench you have not just give them garbage time

  40. Doug

    Just checked into the game after my night class… wawa wee wah!

    Landry is back to his Landrying ways with a vengeance!

  41. Caleb

    Just tuned in…

    I think as long as we stick with this strategy – playing the Pistons every night – our team will be fine.

  42. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    Nick C.: I hope you mean Balkman. :-)
    Lin is in as well.

    i did and lin looked kinda good not so good with the starters but great with the b team

  43. 2010

    great win-good effort on d and they made the effort to pass. it looks like they used their practice to go over getting out on the break and pushing the ball.

    anyone else ready to see more lin and balkman and less walker and douglas?

  44. llcoolbp

    jeremy lin looks more like a point guard in 3 minutes then TD has all season. TD should be out of the rotation. Bibby should be dropped. When baron davis comes back, shump to the bench. With Jeremy Lin backing him up. TD should be the 12th man at that point.

  45. Jake S.

    llcoolbp:
    jeremy lin looks more like a point guard in 3 minutes then TD has all season. TD should be out of the rotation. Bibby should be dropped. When baron davis comes back, shump to the bench. With Jeremy Lin backing him up. TD should be the 12th man at that point.

    Inclined to agree.

  46. Bruno Almeida

    Caleb:
    Just tuned in…

    I think as long as we stick with this strategy – playing the Pistons every night – our team will be fine.

    yeah, as long as we play the bobcats and pistons all season long, it’s gonna be fine.

    until we play well against a good team, I’m a non-believer… we have the Bulls and Celtics coming up, that’s when I want to see improvement.

  47. taggart4800

    Hyper genius asian guy and a guy named renaldo with dreads, don’t have to be THCJ to know where that chemistry came from… Dooobs

  48. llcoolbp

    I don’t care how “nice of kid” TD is. How “hard he works”. He is infuriatingly bad. He just runs in circles. Never hits the open cutter. Can’t hit the 3. His defense is atrocious, and consists of many bone headed fouls far from the hoop, where the offensive player is not even a threat. Him and balkman have the lowest basketball IQ’s in the nba.

  49. d-mar

    In a way I’m glad we’re playing a top team Thurs., because if we were playing another bad team like the Pistons, I could see easily see the Knicks taking them lightly and laying another home court egg.

  50. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    lin: 1 reb, 6 pts, 1 steal, 4 assists, o turnovers in six minutes……..
    Jerome Jordan: 1 reb 2 points in 6 minutes……………..
    Balkman: 1 steal, 1 offensive rebound, 6 points, in 6 minutes………
    They deserve minutes plain and simple

  51. Jake S.

    llcoolbp:
    I don’t care how “nice of kid” TD is. How “hard he works”. He is infuriatingly bad. He just runs in circles. Never hits the open cutter. Can’t hit the 3. His defense is atrocious, and consists of many bone headed fouls far from the hoop, where the offensive player is not even a threat. Him and balkman have the lowest basketball IQ’s in the nba.

    I actually think Douglas is injured, which makes D’Antoni’s insistence on playing him that much more infuriating.

  52. Jake S.

    LMNYKFAN4LIFE:
    lin: 1 reb, 6 pts, 1 steal, 4 assists, o turnovers in six minutes……..
    Jerome Jordan: 1 reb 2 points in 6 minutes……………..
    Balkman: 1 steal, 1 offensive rebound, 6 points, in 6 minutes………
    They deserve minutes plain and simple

    I’m all in favor of the Knicks giving Lin a closer look, but it’s tough to extrapolate much from garbage time. Those last six minutes looked like the last pick-up game of the night at the Greenpoint Y.

  53. Z-man

    Jake S.: I’m all in favor of the Knicks giving Lin a closer look, but it’s tough to extrapolate much from garbage time. Those last six minutes looked like the last pick-up game of the night at the Greenpoint Y.

    Yeah but how much risk is there in replacing a guy with a single-digit per and a negative WS48? He might even be better if he had Melo and STAT to pass to.

  54. Jake S.

    Z-man: Yeah but how much risk is there in replacing a guy with a single-digit per and a negative WS48? He might even be better if he had Melo and STAT to pass to.

    Oh, you don’t have to sell me on benching Toney. I’d like to see Lin emerge as their back-up point guard. Not sure about handing rotation minutes to Jerome Jordan just yet.

  55. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Yeah but how much risk is there in replacing a guy with a single-digit per and a negative WS48? He might even be better if he had Melo and STAT to pass to.

    Exactly. No one is saying Lin will be amazing, just that with the other points being so bad and him playing so well in the minutes he is given, what is the harm in seeing what he can do with the starters?

  56. Kikuchiyo

    How about not hoisting a thousand threes? THAT was the key to tonight’s game. “Only” 18 threes tonight, which is at least something closer to sanity.

  57. DRed

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): Exactly. No one is saying Lin will be amazing, just that with the other points being so bad and him playing so well in the minutes he is given, what is the harm in seeing what he can do with the starters?

    Exactly. There are probably some players out there with one arm who could play basketball better than Toney Douglas is right now.

  58. BigBlueAL

    NJ and Cleveland arent the problem. Knicks will/should eventually blow by those teams. Problem is Milwaukee and Boston. Knicks have to pass one of them to make the playoffs. Still assume/hope the Bucks w/o Bogut will fall apart like they did last season.

  59. BigBlueAL

    Gallo nowhere to be seen in the 4th quarter and OT tonight. Shot 1 for 10 but did have 8 pts thanks to being 6 for 6 from ft line.

    I had to check the box score to see why he wasnt playing since I only watched the 4th quarter and OT. I assume he didnt get hurt but not sure.

  60. llcoolbp

    It will be interesting to see how shump D’s up on D-Rose on thursday. The Friday boston game might feature the return of knicks killer Rajon Rondo. If he’s out the knicks have a shot in that game. Obviously the Nets should be a gimme on saturday, but the 3rd game in a row, that will be tough as well. I’m hoping for 2-1 over the 3 game stretch, but 1-2 is probably more realistic. Going 0-3 is not out of the question.

  61. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Gallo nowhere to be seen in the 4th quarter and OT tonight. Shot 1 for 10 but did have 8 pts thanks to being 6 for 6 from ft line.

    I had to check the box score to see why he wasnt playing since I only watched the 4th quarter and OT. I assume he didnt get hurt but not sure.

    Yeah, I almost hope he was hurt (well, not hurt bad, but hurt enough to not finish the game) to explain why they didn’t use him instead of the Miller/Snuggles show that was quite embarrassing at the end of the game and during the overtime.

  62. ruruland

    Denver outscored by 12 in last 9 minutes of regulation.

    Denver blows a 4 pt OT lead. Goes 0-4 with 2 turnovers in final stretch (close game down the stretch, where guys who can create their own shot are at premium)

    Their late-game identity this year is Andre Miller and Al Harrington.

    Good luck with that formula.

  63. daJudge

    Agreed Brain regarding ass kicking. Loved it, but please play bench more during a blow out. Risk and depth issues. Isn’t this very basic? Rotation makes no sense at all in this situation. E.g., they were up by 25 before even Balkman got burn. So what, worst case scenario, they would have won by 10? Look, if he is having off court issues, get him help or cut him. Makes no sense to me, particularly considering the rest of this week. Don’t mean to be negative and I’m certainly glad they won.

  64. ruruland

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): Yeah, I almost hope he was hurt (well, not hurt bad, but hurt enough to not finish the game) to explain why they didn’t use him instead of the Miller/Snuggles show that was quite embarrassing at the end of the game and during the overtime.

    Use him for what?

    You’re not getting leak-outs or open three situations in the 4th quarter.

  65. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Agreed Brain regarding ass kicking. Loved it, but please play bench more during a blow out. Risk and depth issues. Isn’t this very basic? Rotation makes no sense at all in this situation. E.g., they were up by 25 before even Balkman got burn. So what, worst case scenario, they would have won by 10? Look, if he is having off court issues, get him help or cut him. Makes no sense to me, particularly considering the rest of this week. Don’t mean to be negative and I’m certainly glad they won.

    Generally agreed, but as others have said, it is reasonable to let the main guys get basically some practice time together.

  66. The Infamous Cdiggy

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin):
    Good trade for this lineup. Would Utah go for it, though?

    hmmm… aren’t they in rebuilding mode? do they have the type of ball-movement system (historically they have but I dunno these days) that can get Amare the ball in good spots/situations? couldn’t they use a little “star power” to help them through their rebuilding?

  67. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    hmmm… aren’t they in rebuilding mode? do they have the type of ball-movement system (historically they have but I dunno these days) that can get Amare the ball in good spots/situations? couldn’t they use a little “star power” to help them through their rebuilding?

    First off, they are 12-7, so I don’t know if they even do want to mess with their roster, but even if they would, the keys to their rebuilding effort is likely their two young big men, Kanter and Favors, so I don’t think Amar’e would be too appealing to them. Plus, Millsap is killing it this year, so they should be able to get some good young prospects and/or draft picks for him.

  68. Bruno Almeida

    The Infamous Cdiggy: hmmm… aren’t they in rebuilding mode?do they have the type of ball-movement system (historically they have but I dunno these days) that can get Amare the ball in good spots/situations?couldn’t they use a little “star power” to help them through their rebuilding?

    they are, but a HUGE parte in their rebuilding is precisely getting minutes to both Favors and Kanter, something which has been hard with Millsap playing like an all-star and Jefferson playing pretty well too…

    I think they’ll eventually trade one of them, but not for another PF, specially one that has 3 more years of a max contract, which would further complicate Kanter / Favors development.

    my dream trade, now that we’re talking speculation, would be this one:
    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7pmwwuo

  69. ruruland

    Milsap doesn’t need a pg to score and score efficiently. He’s a more versatile offensive player than Amar’e (ambidextrous and crafty around the rim) and one of the better offensive rebounders in the game.

    There’s not a chance the Jazz would pull the trigger on that, even if you included Shump.

  70. ruruland

    The Infamous Cdiggy: hmmm… aren’t they in rebuilding mode?do they have the type of ball-movement system (historically they have but I dunno these days) that can get Amare the ball in good spots/situations?couldn’t they use a little “star power” to help them through their rebuilding?

    No, they move the ball, but they don’t play flex anymore (which was a big part of Deron and Boozer’s success there).

    Amar’e is radioactive right now. That may change when Baron comes back. But Baron and JR Smith will significantly improve the offense anyway.

    Then you re-asses depending on your ability to sign Nash.

  71. Z

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin):
    New Jersey and Cleveland both lost, too. Good for the standings!

    This post should be framed. It works on so many levels. I think it deserves its own thread. I laughed. I cried. I started watching the Real Housewives of Atlanta.

  72. Bruno Almeida

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): Ouch, so they’re going from getting Pau for those guys to getting Amar’e? Brutal.

    yeah, I know, it’s not a very likely trade, but it could happen if Amare somehow revives himself before the trade deadline and Houston is desperate for any star player… besides, Scola has been pretty bad this year (still, I know it’s highly unlikely).

  73. ruruland

    Z: This post should be framed. It works on so many levels. I think it deserves its own thread. I laughed. I cried. I started watching the Real Housewives of Atlanta.

    No hope after tonight, really?

  74. ruruland

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): They’re not trading Ricky Rubio for Carmelo Anthony. Never going to happen. It might even be a good move for them, but they wouldn’t do it.

    Haha. I can see Knicks fans wanting to move Melo to Minny for peanuts, just out of spite.

    Rubio is promising, poor man’s Nash kind of cieling.

  75. ruruland

    xduckshoex:
    Rubio is not “peanuts”.His value is considerably higher than Melo’s right now.

    Considerably higher? I’m assuming you’re referring to the salary the trade would presumably open up, not Rubio’s cieling or his on-court value.

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