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Tuesday, November 25, 2014

401 comments on “2012 Game Thread: Knicks @ Timberwolves

  1. Gamecockerbocker

    Man the way this game is going when I heard that whistle against Fields I thought they were gonna call a charge.

  2. Owen

    “Jeffries must not realize Love is a great three-point shooter.”

    I mean, he’s no Carmelo Anthony….

  3. Frank O.

    Okay, all these folks who say little can’t shoot, they need to watch this kid. The cross over back step jumper was ankle breaking devastating. He’s heating up.

  4. SSS

    Real sluggish start. Unforgivable to allow Love such open looks. Though they certainly haven’t been helped by some, uh, inconsistent refereeing so far. Signs of life though at least. And Lin still looks good.

    Really think this is the type of game that Shump can make an impact in.

  5. Nick C.

    Lin with a floater in the lane. It seems every game there’s something new. Something old as well the pass to Novak for a three.

  6. Gamecockerbocker

    These refs are determined to make sure everyone in attendance falls asleep in their seats tonight.

  7. Frank O.

    Opposing guards keep simplistically trying to deny his hand and they keep fouling. Last four games, they all think he has a weak hand and it’s backfiring.
    Everyone playing them so far are getting into the penalty quickly

  8. SSS

    I think D’Antoni needs to institute a rule – Shump can only take wide open spot-up 3-pointers. All other shots must be at the rim.

  9. SSS

    so is that the end of the obligatory Bibby cameo?

    Even if its not – I’d appreciate it if someone lied to me and told me it was.

  10. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Awful without Lin and Chandler. D-League bad.

    Great play by Shump, though. (Wish I could watch in HD, Dolan.)

  11. Brian Cronin

    This game is a mix between

    A. Frustratingly painful calls and the Wolves getting lucky bounces

    and

    B. Impressive play by the Knicks to still be in the game with the existence of A.

  12. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    I want them to bring Jordan in to put the hack on Kevin Love. If Chandler ends up with a 3rd foul in the 2nd quarter, I’d say you have to do it. The Novak/Jeffries frontcourt stands no chance.

  13. Gamecockerbocker

    I mean whoever that bum was guarding Novak was practically taking a nap on Novak’s shoulder, but it’s cool.

  14. SSS

    Brian Cronin:
    Shump is so good at defense. He just doesn’t make strong decisions on offense.

    In other words, exactly his scouting report coming out of school. Gives me hope though, you’d think that this is teachable.

    NOW, why is Bibby still in? I’m going to need answers.

    In other news – refereeing has gotten a bit less awful.

  15. TheXman

    Just imagine if Lin got cut, this would’ve been the team for the past week. Dear abomination of god.

  16. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    I want to make a shirt with a picture of Chandler slamming home a putback dunk that says:

    I MAKE MY OWN SHOTS

  17. SSS

    Think second half will finally be Toney Douglas time again? At least for a few minutes? He can’t be worse than Bibby or Walker, can he? Or am I just forgetting?

  18. TheXman

    BILLY WALKER NO BASKETBALL IQ, CAN LIN TEACH HIM SOMETHING, seriously Lin is the real deal when you see how terrible the team is when he’s sitting. This disaster was occurring in the beginning of the 4th last night.

  19. Brian Cronin

    Shump is good on defense and is good at driving on offense, but he continues to take bad shots. Walker is a mess on offense and defense. Novak is a mess on defense. Bibby is a mess on offense and defense. Such a bad lineup.

  20. DRed

    Balkman is better than Walker. I know he does stupid shit and he can’t shoot, but he’s not this terrible.

  21. SSS

    Frank O.:
    What the hell is Shumpert doing?
    Dribble too much, take ridiculous shot. The. Foul someone

    I actually think that may have been a horrible alley-oop pass.

  22. TheXman

    daer god team can only sustain so long with scrubs, landry just awful turnover, shump chucking, billy walker…well nevermind. dear god, i at least like novak he doesn’t do anything majorly stupid. he’ll shoot when he’s open, passes when he’s not.

  23. Frank O.

    They’re tired. They guys aren’t moving well away from the ball. Passes are lazy and settling for jumpers.
    Those are fatigue issues

  24. SSS

    While I’m also a bit worried about how our starting 5 will gel together, this team is going to be massively improved when Melo and Stat come back (and hopefully JR signs) just by creating depth. I’m really interested to see how D’Antoni handles his rotations going forward.

  25. max fisher-cohen

    Knicks have forced 13 turnovers. Maybe they aren’t forcing misses, but the defense hasn’t been bad.

  26. Nick C.

    Lin was a one man show on that possession. Out to Shump, miss, grab rebound, find Hedgerows underneath, fumble, pick it up and “f it I might as well do it myself” Layup.

  27. TheXman

    Lin uncharacteristically risked it with the 24 seconds left, basically allowing the wolves to get 4 more points. Though terrible foul by Shump, Lin thought he had a higher % play by rushing allowed rubio to drive back, ugh. Wolves run the fast break pretty well.

  28. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    i like that Lin was pissed after the half slammed the towel. lets see how he does from behind cause hes led since hes started playing. i think hes done great. the Knicks need to step it up not Lin. lets go guys and mda put novak in leave walker on the bench. put shumpert when they go small on the sf!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  29. Gamecockerbocker

    Spree8nyk8:
    Hey gamecockerbocker, we need to hang out for a game sometime, I live in Columbia!

    I’m down. My roommates are big Knicks fans too.

  30. Brian Cronin

    Lin uncharacteristically risked it with the 24 seconds left, basically allowing the wolves to get 4 more points. Though terrible foul by Shump, Lin thought he had a higher % play by rushing allowed rubio to drive back, ugh. Wolves run the fast break pretty well.

    Good point. When even Lin is making dumb decisions, then you know things are going bad. Still, eight point deficit is not impossible to overcome.

  31. TheXman

    none of these guys besides novak can get hot behind the 3, so we really need novak to win this game really, because it’s going be tough to stop them. We’re going to need a flurry of 3’s, maybe Bibsanity?!

  32. llcoolbp

    the knicks will come out strong in the second half. A game like this is good for Lin. Matching up against another young phenom (rubio). The anger Lin showed at the end of the half shows how much he cares. Let’s hope he channels it in the right direction in the second half. Having said that, I can’t wait to have STAT back. I’m getting tired of seeing Walker throw up ugly shot after ugly shot.

  33. max fisher-cohen

    Brian Cronin: Good point. When even Lin is making dumb decisions, then you know things are going bad. Still, eight point deficit is not impossible to overcome.

    Yeah, this game seemed on the verge of getting out of hand a couple times, so 8 point deficit doesn’t sound that bad to me.

  34. Gamecockerbocker

    Bill Walker, for the love of God please don’t take a contested three the first time you get the ball.

  35. Gamecockerbocker

    These refs really, really suck. No way around it. This is disgusting. How the hell does Minnesota have the ball?

  36. daJudge

    I really like Rubio’s game. Brian, you are right. The lineup at this time is awful. I am usually so negative during the games, my wife asks (demands) me to leave the room. I usually do and read Science Fiction, which this is anyway. We do have a couple of pretty good guys on the mend and will be back soon. Also, I thought Minnesota has played great. Keep the faith and, if the Knicks lose, the G Men lost to the Skins twice. I was major bummed, but you know what happened. Learn from it and move on. Right? In Lin we trust.

  37. Gamecockerbocker

    THESE REFS???????? WHAT IN GOD’S NAME ARE THEY DOING? DID THEY SMOKE A POUND OF WEED BEFORE THE GAME STARTED? That’s two possessions the Knicks have been screwed out of in this quarter.

  38. Gamecockerbocker

    Surprised Lin wasn’t called for a charge and kicked out of the game on that drive the way this game is being officiated.

  39. iserp

    Lin should take it easy now. I would like Landry to ask more for the ball, he is playing really well today

  40. xcat01

    So the way to slow JLin down is to run 2 PGs out at the same time. Hmmm, don’t think that will work when Stat and Melo come back. Also, not too many teams have 3 quality PGs on their rosters.

  41. Gamecockerbocker

    xcat01:
    So the way to slow JLin down is to run 2 PGs out at the same time.Hmmm, don’t think that will work when Stat and Melo come back.Also, not too many teams have 3 quality PGs on their rosters.

    The way to slow Lin down is to perform inception on D’Antoni the night before a game and convince him to give Walker extended playing time.

  42. SSS

    The Knicks have to be absolutely thrilled to have stayed this close despite all the bad calls and bad decisions.

    And, while I’m still impressed with Lin, he does appear a bit sluggish compared to the last few games. Must be exhausted.

  43. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    ok the wolves r just lucky today: they get every great call for them, the balls bouncing there way, and then the knicks are missing all their free throws.

  44. Nick C.

    That was a sweet pass by Fields. The announcers are asleep on Pekovic, he’s been putting up,maybe not 20-10, since he started 4-5 James ago, nut not far from it.

  45. d-mar

    Gorky:
    Is Pekovic’s tonight’s “scrub who has a career game against us”?

    He’s picking up a ton of garbage buckets, and Chandler frankly looks a little spent. He of all people is entitled to an off game.

  46. DRed

    Due to injuries, zombification, being Toney Douglas and coach’s rotation policy, we’ve been effectively playing all week with just 8 guys. That’s going to catch up with you.

  47. Gamecockerbocker

    DRed:
    Due to injuries, zombification, being Toney Douglas and coach’s rotation policy, we’ve been effectively playing all week with just 8 guys.That’s going to catch up with you.

    #FreeBalkman

  48. Gamecockerbocker

    Brian Cronin: I love that your South Carolina bias means that I don’t have to be the “play Balkman” guy anymore. ;)

    I went to the ‘Cats Knicks game in Charlotte and went insane when he finally got into the game in garbage time. People thought I was crazy.

  49. DRed

    Balkman could miss every shot Bibby and Walker do, while also getting some rebounds and maybe a couple tip ins.

  50. TheXman

    Lin just going to play the whole 2nd half? jeezus, he needs some rest. then watching bibsanity, maybe we can’t afford it if we want to win.

  51. SSS

    I feel like this is just one of those days where we get approximately none of the calls. Don’t think we’re going to be able to overcome it given how tired we look.

  52. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    if the refs would not call all of these bullshit calls this would be a fun game to watch. so far this has been nothing but stressful. were playing 6 against 8. 5 players and three refs. this game has definitely been bought by Vegas

  53. SSS

    Gamecockerbocker:
    Not sure how D’Antoni hasn’t exploded on a ref tonight.

    Agreed. D’Antoni needs to get tossed tonight. Make a statement, fire up your guys, etc. And if he can throw a chair, all the better.

  54. Gamecockerbocker

    GIVEMEAFUCKINGBREAKTHATWASAFOULONTHEOTHERENDANDCHANDLERDIDNOTFOULTHATBUMMICHAELBEASLEYI’MABOUTTOEXPLODEONSOMEONE

  55. SSS

    Lin is gassed. He needs to go into pure distributor mode for the rest of the game. I want to see Shump drives and Novak 3s. And, apparently, whatever Jeffries wants to do, because he’s apparently an offensive threat now.

  56. Brian Cronin

    I swear I said to my wife on the possession before that three that I thought that with the offense being so bad that Novak should just take deep threes from now on.

  57. SSS

    LMNYKFAN4LIFE:
    yeah lins exhuasted let shump run the point out in jeffries for lin

    How soon we forget. Shump really can’t run the point. I endorse keeping Lin in, he just needs to be smart and realize he’s running on fumes.

  58. Jake S.

    Is there anyone on Knickerblogger that DOESN’T think Brian Cronin would be a step up from Herb Williams?

  59. SSS

    Defense really tightened up this quarter, huh? Wolves also haven’t gotten the same lucky rolls and bail-out calls. Though, as I write that, there’s a horrendous loose ball foul call on Shumpert.

  60. SSS

    Jake S.:
    Is there anyone on Knickerblogger that DOESN’T think Brian Cronin would be a step up from Herb Williams?

    At this point, there are only three people in the Knicks organization that I wouldn’t trade for Cronin: Lin, Chandler and Jeffries.

  61. Gamecockerbocker

    That bogus loose ball foul gave Minn the game. Forget the turnovers, the bad offense… those two K Love free throws did it and they were gifted to him by a horrible call.

  62. SSS

    For all of our complaining, we got bailed out there in the biggest of moments. Easily could have been a moving screen on Chandler, and easily could have been a no-call on Lin’s drive.

  63. Gamecockerbocker

    These TWolves fans really are pissing me off. They’ve gotten every call and bitch about a pretty obvious hackjob in the lane on Lin.

  64. Gamecockerbocker

    Something tells me Minnesota will be on the free-throw line on the other end. Maybe it’s the short history of HORRIBLE calls against the Knicks in this game.

  65. Nick C.

    I was getting ready to cursrcthe screen for a no call. Instead the poor gassed Lin misses one of two. Still a lead is a lead.

    SSS:
    For all of our complaining, we got bailed out there in the biggest of moments.Easily could have been a moving screen on Chandler, and easily could have been a no-call on Lin’s drive.

  66. Gamecockerbocker

    Bill Walker’s gonna foul the jump shooter. I can feel it. Please tell me I’m wrong. For the love of god.

  67. Jake S.

    SSS:
    Isn’t the strategy there to have Walker miss it so time runs off as they battle for the rebound?

    D’Antoni, or his staff, is bad in these situations.

  68. Nick C.

    Exhale. Woohoo. Spirit Dedes and Clyde summed it up perfectly. “The Knicks have stolen one.” “Inexplicable. “

  69. jon abbey

    huge huge huge win. amazing that this collection of players have saved our season, they’re like a mid-conference NCAA team playing against Kentucky or UNC in every game.

  70. BigBlueAL

    If Knicks dont screw around next week by late Friday night they should be over .500 and on an 8 game winning streak. Amazing.

  71. alsep73

    Wow. We had NO business winning that game. Love killed us as always, that center was a freaking brute and Lin had no legs at all, but we hung around, hung around, and then Shump Shump and Novak somehow brought us back.

    Some nights, ya gotta win ugly. I’ll take it.

  72. jon abbey

    and my man Shump Shump was awesome, credited with 4 steals but certainly had more (if you deflect the ball off Barea as he’s driving and he regains it out of bounds, that should be a steal), and some huge shots when they had no one to step up on offense.

    wow.

  73. d-mar

    I was ready for the post-mortem: “Good effort, they looked tired, Lin had an off night, not a bad loss, we’re on the right track” but WE WON THE GAME. Just unbelievable.

  74. BigBlueAL

    For those wondering, Knicks next 3 games are @ Tor on Tue, home vs Sac on Wed and home vs the Hornets on Fri.

  75. DS

    BigBlueAL: f Knicks dont screw around next week by late Friday night they should be over .500 and on an 8 game winning streak. Amazing.

    If the playoffs started before tonight’s Milwaukee/Orlando game ended, the Knicks would be in.

  76. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    i only got say one thing lin has done what Amare and Melo havnt been able to do all year………………. help the Knicks win 5 in a row baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! go new york go new york goooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  77. Brian Cronin

    Wow. We had NO business winning that game. Love killed us as always, that center was a freaking brute and Lin had no legs at all, but we hung around, hung around, and then Shump Shump and Novak somehow brought us back.

    Some nights, ya gotta win ugly. I’ll take it.

    Can you even recall the last time that the Knicks won a game that they had no right to win? So awesome.

  78. The Sominator

    Happy for the win and wished we played more than 8 players. Everyone look so tired. Can’t wait for Amare’s return.

  79. anubav

    BigBlueAL:
    If Knicks dont screw around next week by late Friday night they should be over .500 and on an 8 game winning streak.Amazing.

    If the playoffs started tonight, we’d be in. Now, time to start fighting for that six spot, so we can get Phi/Atl in the first round, rather than Mia/Chi… This week should help.

  80. BigBlueAL

    Wolves scored 11 points in 4th quarter on 3 for 17 shooting.

    Brian, Im sure you will be watching the Magic-Bucks game for rest of the night. Magic win means Knicks back in 8th seed :-)

  81. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    alsep73:
    Wow. We had NO business winning that game. Love killed us as always, that center was a freaking brute and Lin had no legs at all, but we hung around, hung around, and then Shump Shump and Novak somehow brought us back.

    Some nights, ya gotta win ugly. I’ll take it.

    and the refs only gave us one good call all game

  82. xduckshoex

    BigBlueAL:
    For those wondering, Knicks next 3 games are @ Tor on Tue, home vs Sac on Wed and home vs the Hornets on Fri.

    I can see the Sac game being a loss.

    When do Amare and Melo return?

  83. Brian Cronin

    Brian, Im sure you will be watching the Magic-Bucks game for rest of the night. Magic win means Knicks back in 8th seed :-)

    You know it! I love that Cleveland lost.

  84. Nick C.

    *sorry for the double posts apparently the phone was excited. Now to get the man’s name correct Spiro Dedes (the spelling may still be off).
    What a win! This was a game the old Knicks would always find a way to lose. Seeing Novak interviews he said that was a play usually run for Melo but he thought he would try it. It wasn’t too long ago we were groaning about Novak taking a final sho.

  85. TheXman

    I think Lin played the whole damn half, jeezus. Rubio outplayed him bad on the defensive end, makes me worry if he can bring it if they make the playoffs and the physicality increases. HOW DID THEY WIN? Great play out of the timeout for Novak 3. HAHA YESSSS SOUL CRUSH THOSE TWOLVES, SORRY KLOVE GO STEP ON MORE FACES DOUCHEBAG

  86. art vandelay

    Probaby the 2 games against Miami last year, especially the one at MSG in which we trailed by about 9 going into 4th quarter, were last games I can recall NYK winning in which it had no business….but they weren’t clearly outright highway robbery affairs like this theft tonight!!!

    go ny go ny go!!!

    Lin’s inspirational impact on this team is probably his most amazing gift!

  87. art vandelay

    More amazingly, I can’t remember last time knicks had executed brilliantly offensively out of a timeout in a crucial endgame situation like tonight on the Novak 3!!!

  88. MKinLA

    Awesome game.

    Question: Why are we still switching every pick and roll? With a point guard like Rubio on the floor, you’re just basically giving him the option to take Chandler to the hole on every possession or dish to that beast Pecovic with a guard on him down low.

    There a decent defenders on this team now (particularly Shump Shump). Why not just hedge, have the pg fight over the screen, and recover?

  89. ess-dog

    This Knicks season is starting to resemble the Giants season.
    Bumbling start, mid-season turn-around, going from jinxed looking to lucky all of a sudden, break out star victor cruz = jeremy lin… eh?

    Well, whatever. This sh*t is so fun to watch. I’m in heaven.

  90. Brian Cronin

    More amazingly, I can’t remember last time knicks had executed brilliantly offensively out of a timeout in a crucial endgame situation like tonight on the Novak 3!!!

    And back-to-back amazing defensive stands out of timeouts, as well!!

  91. BigBlueAL

    Brian Cronin: I don’t get it, Dan, why rip on Melo now?

    Knicks couldve used some ISO Melo in the 4th quarter tonight.

    Actually Lin’s stat line tonight looks very similar to many of Melo’s stats lines this season lol

  92. DS

    Brian Cronin: I don’t get it, Dan, why rip on Melo now?

    Because I couldn’t keep that pun to myself. In reality, I’m foolishly hopeful that Amar’e will fit right in when he gets back and later when ‘Melo returns, he will make some tweaks to enhance and not disrupt the offensive flow the Knicks have been showing.

  93. jon abbey

    catching Boston would be awesome, they have a stretch of 14 of 19 on the road starting Thursday in Chicago.

  94. Frank O.

    Look, all this kind of anti-Amare and anti-Melo commentary (not too much, but enough to address) really is silly.
    If Amare and Melo is out there, the spacing gets amazing. You may have been noticing Minni collapsing on Lin with sometimes three guys tonight. That happened because For a time our guys couldn’t hit the ocean. Also, Lin went from not playing to being the guy and doing 40 minutes a night. He’s exhausted.
    Amare and Melo are going to face so much single coverage and wide open dishes, they are going to get 30 each on like 12 shots.
    The idea that Jeffries and Walker is a better combo than Amare Melo is literally nuts.
    Amare and Melo are literally salivating knowing they have a Pg who can pass and score.
    I had a feeling if they hung around they’d find a way to steal it.

  95. SSS

    Brian Cronin: And back-to-back amazing defensive stands out of timeouts, as well!!

    To be fair, Rubio dribbled one off his foot and the other really wasn’t a bad look from Love, though he wasn’t close.

  96. jkhar

    Two games in a row, the refs take away a possession or points from us. That technical foul call that resulted in one shot free throw,(and no possession) was a horrible call.

  97. BigBlueAL

    I dont know how people can question or be apprehensive about Melo returning when Bill Walker is playing as much as he is and as horrible as he is taking mainly Melo’s minutes.

    I cant freaking wait to see this team with Amar’e and Melo back and hopefully in Melo’s case 100% healthy.

  98. Frank O.

    SSS: To be fair, Rubio dribbled one off his foot and the other really wasn’t a bad look from Love, though he wasn’t close.

    Actually, to be fair, pressure made rubio dribble off is foot as he saw a 6’10 guy flying to cut off his angle and the on ball defender was in his face.
    And Love did not have a good look. He was defended and his shot because of time and pressure was more like a prayer.

  99. BigBlueAL

    SSS: To be fair, Rubio dribbled one off his foot and the other really wasn’t a bad look from Love, though he wasn’t close.

    Rubio dribbled it off his foot mainly because of the excellent job by Jeffries.

  100. Robert Silverman

    Frank O.:
    Look, all this kind of anti-Amare and anti-Melo commentary (not too much, but enough to address) really is silly.
    If Amare and Melo is out there, the spacing gets amazing. You may have been noticing Minni collapsing on Lin with sometimes three guys tonight. That happened because For a time our guys couldn’t hit the ocean. Also, Lin went from not playing to being the guy and doing 40 minutes a night. He’s exhausted.
    Amare and Melo are going to face so much single coverage and wide open dishes, they are going to get 30 each on like 12 shots.
    The idea that Jeffries and Walker is a better combo than Amare Melo is literally nuts.
    Amare and Melo are literally salivating knowing they have a Pg who can pass and score.
    I had a feeling if they hung around they’d find a way to steal it.

    I agree. The only thing I’d say is that Jeffries is a FAR superior defender to Amar’e. The Knicks defense has seriously improved in Stoudemire’s absence.

  101. jon abbey

    hoolahoop: I think there are big lessons to be learned.

    one is that there’s no way this would last over time, reinforcements are very very welcome and thankfully coming soon.

  102. BigBlueAL

    Looks like Knicks will remain in 9th place after tonight. Magic completely melting down in the 4th quarter.

  103. d-mar

    BigBlueAL:
    I dont know how people can question or be apprehensive about Melo returning when Bill Walker is playing as much as he is and as horrible as he is taking mainly Melo’s minutes.

    I cant freaking wait to see this team with Amar’e and Melo back and hopefully in Melo’s case 100% healthy.

    I’m sure all that Amare and Melo are thinking is that they can’t wait to get back on the court and dominate the offense, winning streak be damned. You know they’re all about personal stats and couldn’t care less about wins and losses. They wish Lin had never shown up, it means less shots for them.

  104. KnickInSeattle

    JJ with 8 on 3 of 5 shooting. Not bad. Lin helps everyone contribute…and the camaraderie they’ve built brings everyone’s confidence and effort up. I love it!

  105. SSS

    Frank O.: Actually, to be fair, pressure made rubio dribble off is foot as he saw a 6’10 guy flying to cut off his angle and the on ball defender was in his face.
    And Love did not have a good look. He was defended and his shot because of time and pressure was more like a prayer.

    You guys are generous. I find it hard to call that Rubio turnover a forced one. I’m not saying they didn’t play well though – given their tired legs and the awful calls against them, its a minor miracle they hung close enough to steal one.

  106. Frank O.

    Robert Silverman: I agree. The only thing I’d say is that Jeffries is a FAR superior defender to Amar’e. The Knicks defense has seriously improved in Stoudemire’s absence.

    Yeah. Jeffries won’t lose minutes, tho, when those guys return. I believe Mike D. Will run him at the 5, 4, and 3.
    Sorry about my verbs. Talking to my son and typing isn’t the smartest writing technique. Lol
    One other good thing: this stretch has so helped our bench and its confidence. Bobby and walker are only going to get few minutes, but Novak has moved up the depth chart. Shump is really taking to the two, and Jeffries has become more competent on offense. We found valuable pieces with these guys gone. Otherwise with hardly any practices, our subs suffered

  107. hoolahoop

    Frank O.:
    Look, all this kind of anti-Amare and anti-Melo commentary (not too much, but enough to address) really is silly.
    If Amare and Melo is out there, the spacing gets amazing. You may have been noticing Minni collapsing on Lin with sometimes three guys tonight. That happened because For a time our guys couldn’t hit the ocean. Also, Lin went from not playing to being the guy and doing 40 minutes a night. He’s exhausted.
    Amare and Melo are going to face so much single coverage and wide open dishes, they are going to get 30 each on like 12 shots.
    The idea that Jeffries and Walker is a better combo than Amare Melo is literally nuts.
    Amare and Melo are literally salivating knowing they have a Pg who can pass and score.
    I had a feeling if they hung around they’d find a way to steal it.

    You’re right about Amare. I’m sure he can’t wait to run with these guys. He’ll fit right in.
    Then, Melo gets back . . . and the party’s over. Sorry, but I don’t think he can change his game.

  108. Frank O.

    jon abbey: one is that there’s no way this would last over time, reinforcements are very very welcome and thankfully coming soon.

    So right. Lin carried the team offensively, with Chandler, but they can’t keep that up. You can’t have a small forward going 0 for the night, and your back up point one for four games. And then there is Jeffries.
    No, a few big guns coming back is nice.

  109. Frank O.

    hoolahoop: You’re right about Amare. I’m sure he can’t wait to run with these guys. He’ll fit right in.
    Then, Melo gets back . . . and the party’s over. Sorry, but I don’t think he can change his game.

    He already had. Far fewer shots, more assists. Him playing his normal role will just be sweet. Trust came, man. Melo is going to be a 50%’shooter with Lin creating and the space he’ll have. You’ll be a convert.

  110. hoolahoop

    jon abbey: one is that there’s no way this would last over time, reinforcements are very very welcome and thankfully coming soon.

    That’s not the biggest lesson I got.
    Team chemistry, trust, ball movement, selflessness, enthusiasm are more important than talent, but combine the two and you have a great team.
    Selfish, iso, hero-ball is a perfect formula for ugly.

  111. BigBlueAL

    Now that the Knicks are in the 8th seed despite still being under .500 (for now) does D’Antoni get a contract extension like Isiah got?? lol

  112. Frank O.

    I’ve been saying this all along, but Mike D. Hasn’t been the problem. He’s been amazingly patient and adaptive. He believed in Jeffries and this team would not be winning like this without him. The work he did against the lakers frnt line was eye-opening. And he and Chandler kept so many alls alive for the Knicks tonight, I would say they won the game in the end.
    Lin is showing how beautiful Mike D.’s system is.

  113. hoolahoop

    Frank O.: He already had. Far fewer shots, more assists. Him playing his normal role will just be sweet. Trust came, man. Melo is going to be a 50%’shooter with Lin creating and the space he’ll have. You’ll be a convert.

    I hope you’re right. But, two games is not what I call a changed man.

  114. Frank O.

    BigBlueAL:
    I dont know how people can question or be apprehensive about Melo returning when Bill Walker is playing as much as he is and as horrible as he is taking mainly Melo’s minutes.

    I cant freaking wait to see this team with Amar’e and Melo back and hopefully in Melo’s case 100% healthy.

    And both guys will have fresh legs!

  115. Spree8nyk8

    Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

    Jeremy Lin walking with a slight limp. Received treatment for his knees and ankles. “He’s old man,” Jared Jeffries said

    Are we beating this kid up too hard already? He’s playing a lot of mins which I think would come down some after Amar’e and Melo come back, but are we risking doing to this guy what we did to Amar’e?

  116. Frank O.

    I now the switching can be annoying and counterintuitive, but this D has been very solid. Woodson deserve a lot of credit as a complement to Mike D.

  117. xcat01

    @389, that is where Melo’s ISO game comes in. Right now when Lin goes to the bench the Knicks well suck. When Melo is back, Lin can rest and Melo can play hero ball all he wants and when Lin comes back in then Melo gets his easy jump shots from JLin passes.

  118. Frank O.

    Spree8nyk8:
    Frank Isola @FisolaNYDN

    Jeremy Lin walking with a slight limp. Received treatment for his knees and ankles. “He’s old man,” Jared Jeffries said

    Are we beating this kid up too hard already? He’s playing a lot of mins which I think would come down some after Amar’e and Melo come back, but are we risking doing to this guy what we did to Amar’e?

    Yeah, spree, I was going to say you should gear back on Lin a bit, but I figured you knew what you were doing…lol

  119. Frank O.

    The Knicks are good when all the players feel like they are in the game. When Melo and Amare go ISO, people stand around, they’re less engaged and they have trouble turning their energy up.
    The ball needs to move no matter if Lin is in or not.

  120. jxbeirne

    Um, I served with Herb Williams. I knew Herb Williams. With respect, Brian Cronin is no Herb Williams.
    When did you ever hear calls for “BRIAN” late in a hopeless game at the Garden?

    Never.

    Jake S.:
    Is there anyone on Knickerblogger that DOESN’T think Brian Cronin would be a step up from Herb Williams?

  121. jon abbey

    Spree8nyk8:
    Are we beating this kid up too hard already?

    yes, but there was no choice and he did manage to draw the foul at the end. all of those early season losses made every win now that much more important, and the #6 seed should be the goal, presumably missing MIA/CHI in the first round then.

    he has two days off now and a hopefully inspired Amare back, maybe even time for a practice on Monday. they do need to keep his minutes down, Baron still can’t get here soon enough.

  122. hoolahoop

    Frank O.:
    The Knicks are good when all the players feel like they are in the game. When Melo and Amare go ISO, people stand around, they’re less engaged and they have trouble turning their energy up.
    The ball needs to move no matter if Lin is in or not.

    Thank you

  123. KnickInSeattle

    Hoolahoop, I simply don’t believe that you want Melo to change his game.

    It’s clear from your tone and attitude that you’d rather be right (I don’t think you are) than for the team to adjust and to win.

  124. hoolahoop

    KnickInSeattle:
    Hoolahoop, I simply don’t believe that you want Melo to change his game.

    It’s clear from your tone and attitude that you’d rather be right (I don’t think you are) than for the team to adjust and to win.

    Number one, you’re 100% wrong. Number two, you make stupid comment after stupid comment showing how little you know about basketball, and I’ve never criticized you once.
    And here you are, another idiot telling someone what they really believe. Go dive in the Seattle ocean

  125. hoolahoop

    KnickInSeattle:
    Hoolahoop, I simply don’t believe that you want Melo to change his game.

    It’s clear from your tone and attitude that you’d rather be right (I don’t think you are) than for the team to adjust and to win.

    I understand you’re a Melo defender, but keep your criticisms to your own selfish self.

  126. KnickInSeattle

    1) I rarely comment at all.
    2) You spent much of last year criticizing me after I pointed out that you are often contentious and looking to cause strife.
    3) There is no ocean in Seattle.
    4) I’m not certain what’s selfish about what I did, which is simply state what I believe…that you’re more interested in snarky comments than results.

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