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Tuesday, September 16, 2014

2012 Game Thread: Knicks @ Rockets

Elton John wrote a song called “Rocket Man,” and a song called “Saturday Night’s Alright.” Chew on that for a bit.

159 comments on “2012 Game Thread: Knicks @ Rockets

  1. Owen

    watching it on first row, someone here told me about it. Dont know any others though, not sure where it ranks. Working well for me though…

  2. Frank O.

    Man, if it wasn’t for the D, the offense right now would get them destroyed.
    Chandler was so open there, Amare!

  3. A Voice of Reason

    I can choose between a movie or this game, what should I choose, based on early observation?

  4. Frank O.

    In what world is it okay for Shump to toss up a shot with three teammates still on the other side of the court?

  5. Frank O.

    So Bibbi dribbles the clock down and then dumps to Shump on the elbow?
    I thought he had veterans IQ…
    Stupid play

  6. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    In what world is it okay for Shump to toss up a shot with three teammates still on the other side of the court?

    He really needs to realize who he is – he is not a lead scorer. He is taking some awful shots. I love his D, though.

  7. Nick C.

    OMG Jefferies with a three after making a driving basket earlier. I thought his lucky beans had run out.

  8. Michael Cline

    Shumpert may take questionable shots at times, but you can’t question his heart and defensive intensity. He’s Bruce Bowen with longer arms, more athleticism, and non-douchebag reputation

  9. Michael Cline

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin):
    Probably not, sadly. But yeah, awful shot.

    I like the A-Team, though. If they play like this and just add Melo to it? They should be good.

    Haha yeah, but they don’t play like this with any sort of consistency. We’ve seen the “A-Team w/ Melo”…it’s same garbage every game

  10. Michael Cline

    Amare with the best drive of the season and a powerful dunk to finish it off.

    I love Melo (well, I love/hate Melo), but should Amare’s success without Melo be compared to Bosh’s success without Wade? It’s eerily similar.

  11. d-mar

    Some of TD’s turnovers are mind boggling. Maybe his nickname should be Samuel Morse, (he telegraphs his passes.)

  12. Nick C.

    Damn how many times are we gonna see Chandler set a pick and go to the basket or be otherwise open, point up only to see the head down guard toss it to a guarded man in the corner. It happened on two of the last three possessions. Ugh

  13. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Haha yeah, but they don’t play like this with any sort of consistency. We’ve seen the “A-Team w/ Melo”…it’s same garbage every game

    True, but I can hope that he’ll learn to play in the system! Especially since he should do sooooo well in this system. Come on, Melo, playing in this system will make you better! Do it, please!

  14. Frank O.

    Even if they are trying to find Chandler, they seem to miss him consistently. That final time down the court chandler was virtually unguarded, no one between him and the hoop and TD didn’t see him. Instead he dished to a low percentage corner jumper from Shumpert. Our guards dribble with their heads down.
    On the other hand, Amare is back.

  15. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Damn how many times are we gonna see Chandler set a pick and go to the basket or be otherwise open, point up only to see the head down guard toss it to a guarded man in the corner. It happened on two of the last three possessions. Ugh

    Or that one alley-oop that Toney threw to him that was about two feet behind him? Imagine if Davis actually gets him the ball when Davis gets here? It’ll be awesome.

  16. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Knicks shot 38.3% that half after shooting 35.7% last night vs the Heat. Ball movement!!!!

    Again, the key is ball movement with Melo. They traded 127 players for him, so naturally they are going to be weak without him. However, if you plug Melo into this ball movement, they will score (in theory) because Melo is a good scorer.

  17. Frank O.

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): True, but I can hope that he’ll learn to play in the system! Especially since he should do sooooo well in this system. Come on, Melo, playing in this system will make you better! Do it, please!

    absolutely! Melo open, or Melo when they have no time to double is a frightening/exciting prospect. I’m convinced he’ll get it. I thing Davis will help him to see the possible.
    Btw, as much as I bitch about Shump’s O, he’s so effective on D. Mike d. Says he’s hurting so he isn’t as athletic, but his D is fantastic.
    TD is terrible

  18. Degree_Absolute

    Bench Douglas for a few days. Let him figure his $%$ out or rest his injuries. I thought it might be playing with Melo that was the issue, but he just sucks right now. Please, for the love of God, put anyone else in.

  19. d-mar

    BigBlueAL:
    Knicks shot 38.3% that half after shooting 35.7% last night vs the Heat.Ball movement!!!!

    Yeah, the Rockets were really moving the ball around when Scola posted up and pounded the ball into the ground for 10 seconds. But it was successful, if not pretty.

  20. Michael Cline

    Degree_Absolute:
    Bench Douglas for a few days.Let him figure his $%$ out or rest his injuries.I thought it might be playing with Melo that was the issue, but he just sucks right now.Please, for the love of God, put anyone else in.

    I’d rather see Lin. It’s that bad right now

  21. Michael Cline

    For halftime entertainment, check out the video feed on the right side of the page. Nate’s crossover!!!! OH MY

  22. BigBlueAL

    Im not mocking the ball movement stuff because it is true. But no amount of ball movement will help the offense unless the guys start making their shots.

    Last year even after the trade the offense was great because besides having Billups and his near 60% TS% TD shot 40% from 3pt range while leading the NBA in 3pt makes and Fields was still pretty good despite his 2nd half slump. Amar’e wasnt anywhere near as bad as he is playing right now. They also had Extra E shooting close to 40% from 3pt range too (along with Bill Walker).

    The role players have to hit their shots plain and simple. Like D’Antoni likes to say this is a make or miss league and right now its all misses for the Knicks.

  23. Degree_Absolute

    Michael Cline: I’d rather see Lin. It’s that bad right now

    At least Lin’s first instinct is to drive and kick.

    I honestly have no idea what Douglas is doing and I don’t think he has a plan out there. I really like TD, but, Christ, you’d think D’Antoni wants to get fired. Anyone with eyes can see TD isn’t right for this team right now.

  24. Michael Cline

    If we’re going to shot 30 three’s a game, you think we would put Novak in. I just don’t get it. It’s Daintoni’s system, but he doesn’t ever seem to know who to play

  25. Michael Cline

    You think when Chandler hit TD with that perfect pass as he was cutting that he looked at him as if to say: “Maybe try to do this every once in awhile!?”

  26. BigBlueAL

    Michael Cline:
    If we’re going to shot 30 three’s a game, you think we would put Novak in. I just don’t get it. It’s Daintoni’s system, but he doesn’t ever seem to know who to play

    Novak played alot and was 2 for 8 last night. He came in the 1st quarter tonight and bricked his 2 3pt attempts.

  27. d-mar

    Hard to figure where we’re going to get offense from tonight. Either someone catches fire from 3, or we’re talking blowout.

  28. Michael Cline

    BigBlueAL: Novak played alot and was 2 for 8 last night.He came in the 1st quarter tonight and bricked his 2 3pt attempts.

    I understand. But if our options are playing a guy who is somewhat struggling but has hit 40% of his three’s in his career, and playing a couple guys who have never had his sharpshooting stats, what would you choose?

  29. BigBlueAL

    Michael Cline: I understand. But if our options are playing a guy who is somewhat struggling but has hit 40% of his three’s in his career, and playing a couple guys who have never had his sharpshooting stats, what would you choose?

    Problem is Novak has to try to guard somebody lol

  30. Michael Cline

    Announcer: “Lin is in really early. Perhaps Dantoni is trying to send a message to some of his players.”

    Yet, Douglas is still in, is he not?

  31. Sugarjesus

    Do you think Lin (Harvard) and Fields (Stanford) sit around and smile at each other – like hey once the Knicks thing blows up, we can go run Google or something?

    Among the Knicks many problems is that they have too many nerds.

  32. Michael Cline

    Well, Lin certainly isn’t afraid to drive, that’s for sure. He is out of control every time, but at least he’s not settling for contested 3′s.

  33. Michael Cline

    EB:
    any word on how davis looks in practice?

    Not good enough to be playing. THat’s all I need to know

  34. Richmond County

    @68 Mike D’s line was that he doesn’t have that “pop” yet. In other words, he’s really rusty.

  35. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    wow they suk today only good thing is amare is playing better t chandler is playing his game but were is fields??????

  36. d-mar

    Richmond County:
    @68 Mike D’s line was that he doesn’t have that “pop” yet.In other words, he’s really rusty.

    I’ll take a rusty Baron over a healthy TD any day of the week

  37. Michael Cline

    Contested long 2 after contested long 2. Just terrible.

    Someone please remind Shumpert that he is freaky athletic. Not sure why he has stopped driving

  38. d-mar

    Michael Cline:
    Contested long 2 after contested long 2. Just terrible.

    Someone please remind Shumpert that he is freaky athletic. Not sure why he has stopped driving

    I think we all suffered from premature Shump-adulation earlier this season

  39. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    what is MDA thinking did you look who was playing at the end of the 3rd; bibby, lin, jeffries, shumpert, chandler, who the hell is gonna shoot lin?????????????????? wow does he not know how to use his team smh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  40. Frank O.

    Lin is not used to the athleticism. Once the game slows down for him he’ll be fine.
    Chandler can’t buy a call

  41. Kikuchiyo

    Wow. Tell me how the Isiah Era teams were actually worse than this one. The Bibby-Chandler “please don’t make me shoot” exchange at the end of the quarter was priceless. I do love Chandler’s play this year, but, sheesh, he has no intention of shooting even at ten feet and no defense. He makes Jeffries look like a ball hog.

  42. Michael Cline

    I’m done. Switching to the UFC main event.

    This team is a joke right now. Even with Melo and Davis, I just don’t see us being higher than a 7 seed this year.

  43. Nick C.

    Gotta like Balkman and Lin throwing ahead to each other after rebounds. Now if only they could convert.

  44. SeeWhyDee77

    ..it’s beginning to look like the guys r checking out. Maybe I’m panickin an readin 2 much into it, but dare I say it seems as if D’Antoni has lost the team? So..hypothetically if this is true, who would be the interim? Woodson’s the likely choice..but would he do much better? I hope I’m readin too much into it becuz if there is any chance at all ORL would accept Chandler and Stat for D12 an cap filler- and it happens- I think the offense would be much more effective without losing anything on defense. Again..I really hope I’m reading too much into it and this game is really showing the effects of a tough game at Miami and a late flight to Houston.

  45. Kikuchiyo

    Houston announcer after two consecutive Balkman three-point attempts:

    “This is not a very good team.”

  46. Michael Cline

    I don’t see any way D’antoni keeps his job. Sure, the guys are missing open shots every night. I get that. But he’s the offensive guru. Woodson has them playing solid D. Now D’antoni can’t figure it out. Like I’ve said many times, it’s the players’ faults — but if the coach can’t get it through their head to stop taking certain shots — then he has lost the team and he has to go.

    Has this team watched other teams run an offense? Do they realize how terrible they look?

  47. BigBlueAL

    Michael Cline:
    I don’t see any way D’antoni keeps his job. Sure, the guys are missing open shots every night. I get that. But he’s the offensive guru. Woodson has them playing solid D. Now D’antoni can’t figure it out. Like I’ve said many times, it’s the players’ faults — but if the coach can’t get it through their head to stop taking certain shots — then he has lost the team and he has to go.

    Has this team watched other teams run an offense? Do they realize how terrible they look?

    Hopefully Davis and Melo play on Tuesday. Next week Knicks play Detroit at home before playing their back-to-back-to-back at home vs Chicago, at Boston then home again vs the Nets. By end of next week we should really have a good outlook on what this team really is and could be. That is hoping BD and Melo play all next week though.

  48. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Balkman definitely earning more playing time tonight.

    I think this game is a good example of the bad rap Balkman gets. He did some goofy things but he played well overall. His positives outweigh his negatives, but because his negatives are so obvious, it seems worse than it is [EDITED TO ADD: And I wrote that before he hit that three, even]. Meanwhile, what does Jerome Jordan need to do to get some playing time?

  49. Michael Cline

    Frank O.:
    You know, down by 12 with 1:08? one would think they would play with urgency…

    The score is going to make people who didn’t watch this game think it was much closer than it was. This was yet another downright painful offensive performance for NY. I would rather them lose by 30 and be forced to make some big changes.

  50. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    Amare: 23 points + 3 steals + 2 blocks + 8 rebounds + 50% from the field + 1 loss. Smh at least hes playing better.

  51. KnickfaninNJ

    Couldn’t see game, but I have two comments based on reading the posts.

    One, I lay the blame for this team at the foot of ownership. It’s what they have done for over a decade. They think having a star or stars is better than having a well constructed team. The Knicks don’t have a bench and don’t have competent guards. D’Antoni doesn’t have a chance to do great with that. Especially with a brutal season, limited practice time and so many new bodies.

    Two, I hate remembering this, but “lack of pop” is exactly what D’Antoni said when he was asked how Azubuike was doing in practice.

  52. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Exactly. THough let’s be honest, they are “getting us back into the game” against the other teams’ C squad

    Oh yeah, sorry, I don’t mean to tout these guys too much. It is not like “they should start Jerome Jordan!” but just, hey, maybe Jerome Jordan and Renaldo Balkman can get in a real game? Maybe?

  53. nicos

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): And once again, the players who made the score closer will not play again the next game.

    Why do people take anything that happens during garbage time seriously- Lin was awful against Houston’s regular rotation guys and Balkman did nothing that suggests he should get more burn- he’s no improvement over Jeffries.

  54. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    The brutal schedule is a major concern for a team with as little depth as the Knicks have. Like I was saying during the game, you have the A-Team and the B-Team and right now the B-Team is goddawful. The problem when Melo and Baron are out is that the A-Team is mediocre at best itself.

    If the Knicks do well at all this season it will because they ride the A-Team hard, which is something that is scary when you look at how the schedule is set up.

  55. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    If i ever here that its not the coaches fault i will come hunt you down!!!!!!!!! The Rockets, yes the Rockets, with no known star, the best player that kinda puts up 20 pts a game is hurt, have officially smashed the Knicks with a new head coach and a totally different team!!!!!!!! No more excuses MDA must go!!!!!!!! For pete’s sake Kevin Mchale was coaching the Rockets with a team who does not even have a twenty point scorer on their player’s active list for the game!!!!!!! arrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Ripping my hair out).

  56. Melo to the Gallos

    Now that we’re in the wake of the A-bomb-thony, nothing is recoverable, and everyone on the roster is basically radioactive from a trade perspective.

    It’s clear that Melo not only destroyed everyone’s confidence but he’s crushed their competitive spirits as well.

  57. Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin)

    Lin was better than Douglas and Bibby. Which is a sad statement about the Knick point guard play. Lin, though, while he played poorly overall, did a lot of things that made you at least think, “Hey, they could work with that.” Like his ability to attack the middle.

  58. Melo to the Gallos

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): The brutal schedule is a major concern for a team with as little depth as the Knicks have. Like I was saying during the game, you have the A-Team and the B-Team and right now the B-Team is goddawful. The problem when Melo and Baron are out is that the A-Team is mediocre at best itself. If the Knicks do well at all this season it will because they ride the A-Team hard, which is something that is scary when you look at how the schedule is set up.

    It’s true.

  59. njasdjdh

    LMNYKFAN4LIFE:
    If i ever here that its not the coaches fault i will come hunt you down!!!!!!!!! The Rockets, yes the Rockets, with no known star, the best player that kinda puts up 20 pts a game is hurt, have officially smashed the Knicks with a new head coach and a totally different team!!!!!!!! No more excuses MDA must go!!!!!!!! For pete’s sake Kevin Mchale was coaching the Rockets with a team who does not even have a twenty point scorer on their player’s active list for the game!!!!!!! arrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Ripping my hair out).

    Sounds exactly like the type of thinking that lead to us trading everyone for proven 25 point scoring star Carmelo Anthony.

  60. Degree_Absolute

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin):
    Lin was better than Douglas and Bibby. Which is a sad statement about the Knick point guard play. Lin, though, while he played poorly overall, did a lot of things that made you at least think, “Hey, they could work with that.” Like his ability to attack the middle.

    +1

    Totally agree with you here. I am not even remotely saying that Lin is a savior, but he currently looks like the best PG option until a healthy Davis comes back. I don’t care what TD is telling the medical staff – he is hurt. This is not the same player we saw last year.

  61. cgreene

    I would like to suggest that everyone watch Back To The Future on HBO right now if you have it. Take your mind off this epic disaster for a while. Thank you.

  62. Spree8nyk8

    Melo to the Gallos:
    Now that we’re in the wake of the A-bomb-thony, nothing is recoverable, and everyone on the roster is basically radioactive from a trade perspective.

    It’s clear that Melo not only destroyed everyone’s confidence but he’s crushed their competitive spirits as well.

    And the award for dramatic performance in a basketball blog goes to……

    Nah seriously though, you don’t think that is just a little dramatic? Melo destroyed their spirit? C’mon. Can’t they just play bad bc their playing bad? Do we ALWAYS need a scapegoat? Amar’e was dribbling into strips before Melo got there. Only difference this year from last year is that he is also missing his jump shot now. We made a trade for a really good player this year and it’s just backfired. They really didn’t count on Billups being missed like he has been. On top of that it seems like we don’t have a single player that worked on their games in the offseason. If you stop blaming this guy because of what that guy is doing you’ll be happier. If I start screwing up at my job bc someone else brought down my morale they would fire me and bring in someone with a friggin backbone. Every player needs to account for themselves. So sick of the blamegame.

  63. Melo to the Gallos

    Spree8nyk8: And the award for dramatic performance in a basketball blog goes to……Nah seriously though, you don’t think that is just a little dramatic? Melo destroyed their spirit? C’mon. Can’t they just play bad bc their playing bad? Do we ALWAYS need a scapegoat? Amar’e was dribbling into strips before Melo got there. Only difference this year from last year is that he is also missing his jump shot now. We made a trade for a really good player this year and it’s just backfired. They really didn’t count on Billups being missed like he has been. On top of that it seems like we don’t have a single player that worked on their games in the offseason. If you stop blaming this guy because of what that guy is doing you’ll be happier. If I start screwing up at my job bc someone else brought down my morale they would fire me and bring in someone with a friggin backbone. Every player needs to account for themselves. So sick of the blamegame.

    Name one player that hasn’t had a significant drop-off in play since C-Ant brought his no passing, horrible shooting, can’t jump, can’t run no defense, lazy movement double wide backside to this town……..

    it’s clear that he is the reason guys are playing like they are right now and probably will for the rest of their careers. I think the fallout is that bad.

  64. Degree_Absolute

    Spree8nyk8: We made a trade for a really good player this year and it’s just backfired.

    That really good player could have had a good supporting cast, but, surprising no one and staying true to his on court habits, he thought he could do it himself and used the media to force our idiot owner’s hand.

    By any measure, that trade and this season have been disasters.

  65. KnicksFanInVA

    Spree8nyk8:

    If I start screwing up at my job bc someone else brought down my morale they would fire me and bring in someone with a friggin backbone.Every player needs to account for themselves.So sick of the blamegame.

    At the same time, if that said new employee brought down everyone else’s work performance and the entire department/company suffered the worse for it, then guess who gets the boot?

  66. Melo to the Gallos

    Degree_Absolute: That really good player could have had a good supporting cast, but, surprising no one and staying true to his on court habits, he thought he could do it himself and used the media to force our idiot owner’s hand. By any measure, that trade and this season have been disasters.

    Thank you, oh, and as any of the half intilligent posters on this board would confirm, C-Ant is not a good basketball player by any stretch of the imagination.

  67. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    njasdjdh: Sounds exactly like the type of thinking that lead to us trading everyone for proven 25 point scoring star Carmelo Anthony.

    nope MDA sux plain and simple they didnt have kyle lowery their 3rd best shooter their best assist man their starting point guard and their best scorer in kevin martin. they have a brand new team in a new system with a rookie Coach who knows the game and how to get the best outta their players. on the other hand the Knicks have no bench but can you explain how your best bench player only played 22 minutes while your starting 2 guard played just 14!!!!!!!! i’ll tell you how bone head coaching. can you tell me how you put lin bibby shumpert j jeffries with tyson chandler for most of the 3rd quarter together when we were lacking scoring punch? i’ll tell you bad coaching!!!!!! MDA must go no more excuses and i actually thought he was a good coach but its totally obvious he has no idea what hes doing!!!!!!!!!

  68. bobneptune

    BigBlueAL:
    Balkman definitely earning more playing time tonight.

    i’m just curious about exactly what is is that balkman did in garbage time that “earned him more pt?

    was it the 1-3 from the floor, or the 2 boards or the one turnover, or blowing a fast break when he first stepped on the floor.

    just curious…..

  69. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    i will be honest balkman did not play a good game but i think the guy was being sarcastic in his defense big al

  70. Spree8nyk8

    Melo to the Gallos: Name one player that hasn’t had a significant drop-off in play since C-Ant brought his no passing, horrible shooting, can’t jump, can’t run no defense, lazy movement double wide backside to this town……..

    it’s clear that he is the reason guys are playing like they are right now and probably will for the rest of their careers. I think the fallout is that bad.

    I really hate when someone says that something that isn’t clear is “clear”. Melo is not the reason why none of these guys can hit three’s. He’s not the reason that we don’t have a pg other than Lin who doesn’t play that can get into the zipcode of the rim. Melo is not the reason that power forwards are lighting this team up on a nightly basis, he’s not the reason why our other guards miss cutter after cutter after cutter. These are fundamental flaws that are happening because THOSE PLAYERS are not playing well. I am not saying that Melo has no isolated too much, and I am not saying that Melo has played well. But he is not the reason the rest of these players are playing like shit. Even the amazing stupendous 2 games over .500 team that all of you miss from last year had TWO 6 game losing streaks BEFORE Melo arrived. They started out 3-8 and the whole world said Amar’e was a bust. Now you have all these players that don’t even play well when Melo isn’t there and you put all of this blame on one guy? Wake up man. They are playing bad right now because they are either bad players or they are good players playing poorly. You don’t get to play bad and then blame it on that guy or this guy. This is SUCHHH a knick fan thing to say, it’s always MDA’s fault or melo’s fault. It can never ever ever be that each player has their own share of the blame. Because that would be no fun. They were a bad team for 7 years and they didn’t manage to become a…

  71. Melo to the Gallos

    KnicksFanInVA: At the same time, if that said new employee brought down everyone else’s work performance and the entire department/company suffered the worse for it, then guess who gets the boot?

    I think a more appropriate analogy would be war crimes. You don’t go after the minions who took orders and were simply trying to survive an awful situation, the eroding of character and humanity are indirect casualties … I agree, too many of us are ignoring the great evil here.

  72. Spree8nyk8

    Degree_Absolute: That really good player could have had a good supporting cast, but, surprising no one and staying true to his on court habits, he thought he could do it himself and used the media to force our idiot owner’s hand.

    By any measure, that trade and this season have been disasters.

    I was actually talking about the chandler trade backfiring, not the melo trade. Nobody remembers the post trade melo team last year that finished the season winning 7 in a row going into the playoffs hot before injuries killed them in the playoffs. They let go of billups thinking they could plug their biggest hole at center and that they would get enough pg play to not hurt the team overall. That has “clearly” not worked out the way they hoped.

  73. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    Spree i agree but we did give to much for him period you cant argue that. the reason we dont have a bench was cause he saw dollar signs during a year when their might be a lock out and he might not get his max contract. come on lets be real that is the god honest truth. if he would have come on this year our team would be unstoppable. we would have had cp3, cause we would have had tradeable assets and this season would have been a much different situation. imagine cp3 with amare roney turiaf a quality back up center out the market we would have had gallo or wilson chandler and definitely anthony randolph and some pix this year. case closed.

  74. Spree8nyk8

    Melo to the Gallos: I think a more appropriate analogy would be war crimes. You don’t go after the minions who took orders and were simply trying to survive an awful situation, the eroding of character and humanity are indirect casualties … I agree, too many of us are ignoring the great evil here.

    Nevermind, this statement is “clearly” more dramatic.

    War crimes? Are you friggin serious? You think the play of Carmelo Anthony is equivalent to a war crime? Wow. So you think that the dropoff in play has NOTHING to do with the lack of a point guard? I mean it’s just all Melo? Nothing more nothing less? Just melo? If that is true my response to that is beyond trolling so I”ll just digress. I feel sorry for you though.

  75. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    wow spree you crack me up we filled a need and we were gambling we came up like we thought we would. t chandler will not be a disappointment. i would even go as far as saying he has exceeded his expectations without a point guard to give him the ball (amare). the disappointment has been melo and amare coexisting and MDA horrible offensive coaching. point blank period dot dot!!!!!!!!!!!!

  76. Melo to the Gallos

    Spree8nyk8: Nevermind, this statement is “clearly” more dramatic.War crimes? Are you friggin serious? You think the play of Carmelo Anthony is equivalent to a war crime? Wow. So you think that the dropoff in play has NOTHING to do with the lack of a point guard? I mean it’s just all Melo? Nothing more nothing less? Just melo? If that is true my response to that is beyond trolling so I”ll just digress. I feel sorry for you though.

    I speak for fans who are willing to see the truth.

  77. Degree_Absolute

    Spree8nyk8: Melo is not the reason why none of these guys can hit three’s. He’s not the reason that we don’t have a pg other than Lin who doesn’t play that can get into the zipcode of the rim. Melo is not the reason that power forwards are lighting this team up on a nightly basis, he’s not the reason why our other guards miss cutter after cutter after cutter. These are fundamental flaws that are happening because THOSE PLAYERS are not playing well.

    Hey, wait… Didn’t we trade the players that could hit threes for Melo? Didn’t we trade the PG that drove to the rim for Melo?

    It is somewhat disingenuous to neglect that when you try to defend him.

    Melo to the Gallos: Thank you, oh, and as any of the half intilligent posters on this board would confirm, C-Ant is not a good basketball player by any stretch of the imagination.

    Not willing to go that far as I have seen him do unbelievably amazing things with the basketball that I have never seen any other Knickerbocker do, but I do agree that his ego, lack of introspection, and inability or unwillingness to change his game to compliment the rest of the team are major, major issues.

    Yeah, we still might make the playoffs, but, until we get some solid guard play and Melo addresses his issues, this team is a shit sandwich.

  78. Spree8nyk8

    LMNYKFAN4LIFE:
    Spree i agree but we did give to much for him period you cant argue that. the reason we dont have a bench was cause he saw dollar signs during a year when their might be a lock out and he might not get his max contract. come on lets be real that is the god honest truth. if he would have come on this year our team would be unstoppable. we would have had cp3, cause we would have had tradeable assets and this season would have been a much different situation. imagine cp3 with amare roney turiaf a quality back up center out the market we would have had gallo or wilson chandler and definitely anthony randolph and some pix this year. case closed.

    We would have had to renounce wilson chandler to sign melo, there would not have been any exception money as we would have been under the cap prior to signing him. The assets part I can’t argue we would have had assets, but that wouldn’t have mattered because he was never going to make it to free agency. Once again this is a case where people blame players for something management did. Melo didn’t trade himself here. The brass did. They caved to a denver team that had no leverage. If the price was too high, it’s on them…not melo. Since everyone likes analogies so much here. This is just like most of the people that bitch about healthcare reform. The second they start their argument they talk about all the people on welfare needing to get jobs. This is NOT an argument about healthcare reform. This is an argument for WELFARE reform. If you want to be mad at the knicks management for botching some moves, go ahead. At least for a change you’d be angry at the right guy.

  79. Spree8nyk8

    LMNYKFAN4LIFE:
    wow spree you crack me up we filled a need and we were gambling we came up like we thought we would. t chandler will not be a disappointment. i would even go as far as saying he has exceeded his expectations without a point guard to give him the ball (amare). the disappointment has been melo and amare coexisting and MDA horrible offensive coaching. point blank period dot dot!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Dude i’m not saying Chandler is not playing well, I think he’s playing pretty well honestly. But the team overall has been hugely hurt by not having a pg. I mean we just never seem to get into a reasonable flow.

  80. Spree8nyk8

    Degree_Absolute: Hey, wait…Didn’t we trade the players that could hit threes for Melo?Didn’t we trade the PG that drove to the rim for Melo?

    It is somewhat disingenuous to neglect that when you try to defend him.

    Last year no player hit more three’s after the allstar break than Toney Douglas. Last time I checked he was still on the roster.

  81. bobneptune

    Brian Cronin (@Brian_Cronin): He’s (chandler) amazing. He won’t be, but he really should be an All-Star.

    just out of curiosity what did chandler bring to the table tonight that dalembert didn’t for half the price and half the length of contract?

    tc = 14 points (5-7 fg) 11 boards, 1 blk in 32 minutes

    sd = 7 points (3-6 fg) 14 boards , 4 blks in 22 minutes

    or

    jordan hill = 14 points (6-7) 11 boards in 22 minutes

  82. Degree_Absolute

    Spree8nyk8: I was actually talking about the chandler trade backfiring, not the melo trade.Nobody remembers the post trade melo team last year that finished the season winning 7 in a row going into the playoffs hot before injuries killed them in the playoffs.They let go of billups thinking they could plug their biggest hole at center and that they would get enough pg play to not hurt the team overall.That has “clearly” not worked out the way they hoped.

    I think that is a fair point, but to me Chandler has been the biggest bright spot on this team. It is hard for me to be critical of the trade that brought the only player who, to my mind, is meeting expectations.

  83. SangaD

    i luv TD always have always will. I’ll bet when we get rid of toney and he goes to a team like memphis a real team with a real coach who will play him according to his strengths were gonna wonder where this guy came from. Lay off TD, he is coming off surgery, shoulder surgery and no camp and we wonder where his shot is gone or why he cant do this or that. This is not a basketball team, this is a bunch of guys assembled to sell tickets. TD is a sixth man, streaky shooter who can play defense. u cant tell me he dont play defense. why is he saddled with being a starting pg, he just isnt that type of player. i hope u read this toney, ITS NOT NOW OR EVER YOUR FAULT. u still black toney to me, hes has the gun. Chew me out if u want but Douglas will be a good 6th man in this league after he leaves this god forsaken franchise.

  84. Spree8nyk8

    ok D_A, I wasn’t really clear with my initial point about that trade. I don’t mean that the trade was a bust. Chandler is definitely going to work out. I just don’t think they really foresaw how much the team was going to be hurt by the lack of a true pg. I think they expected to drop off some, just not to this point. Once they can fill that spot I would think that most things overall should start to rise. So even though later on that trade should work out, for the immediate future that trade definitely set them back. Kind of like the Melo trade, I think that set us back some initially. But as they fill in those holes that were left by those players eventually you will have a better team.

  85. Degree_Absolute

    Spree8nyk8: Last year no player hit more three’s after the allstar break than Toney Douglas. Last time I checked he was still on the roster.

    Either he is a shell of his former self at age 25 or his performance at hiding an injury is Razzie-worthy. I think most of western civilization is ready to end the ill-conceived TD PG experiment.

  86. Degree_Absolute

    Spree8nyk8:
    ok D_A, I wasn’t really clear with my initial point about that trade.I don’t mean that the trade was a bust.Chandler is definitely going to work out.I just don’t think they really foresaw how much the team was going to be hurt by the lack of a true pg.I think they expected to drop off some, just not to this point.Once they can fill that spot I would think that most things overall should start to rise.So even though later on that trade should work out, for the immediate future that trade definitely set them back.Kind of like the Melo trade, I think that set us back some initially.But as they fill in those holes that were left by those players eventually you will have a better team.

    Again, I think those are perfectly fair points, observations, and expectations. I want to agree with you that things will work out, but, as fate would have it, I am a Knicks/Mets fan and the eternal optimist in me died somewhere around Generation K or the Finger Roll.

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