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Friday, October 24, 2014

2012 Game Thread: Knicks @ Mavs

Let’s hope Cuban didn’t plant some kind of wrist melting lotion on Tyson’s Chip ring…

355 comments on “2012 Game Thread: Knicks @ Mavs

  1. jon abbey

    I hope the Knicks are as revved up for this one as I am, because if they are, look out Mavs.

  2. jon abbey

    and I don’t care what D’Antoni said between games, if Fields puts up another awful half, he had better not start the third quarter. twice in a row he has killed us then, at least against Cleveland we could come back.

  3. johnlocke

    Melo Melo! I think he’ll have a big game tonight after the headlines about him being ‘unclutch’

  4. llcoolbp

    Fields is a waste of space. Shump brings everything he does to the table, plus better D. Shump also gives us another good ballahandler when the pressure is turned up on Lin. Shump also has much more upside. Shump should be starting. With JR, Novak, and B-diddy first 3 off the bench. Whatever minutes that are left over, go to Jeffries and Fields.

  5. llcoolbp

    Melo needs a breakout monster game. I’m all for team. But melo needs one of those monster 38 point, 14-26, 8 boards, 4 dimes, kind of game. He needs it for himself, and the knicks need it to get back on track.

  6. ephus

    Really nice ceremony by Dallas for Chandler. Glad that he is getting the cheers he deserves.

    Now, stuff the ball back down Dirk’s throat!

  7. johnlocke

    Who do we want losing the game more Boston in 7th place or Atlanta in sixth place…oddly and against my normal senses I’m rooting for Atlanta…b/c of Boston’s brutal upcoming road schedule

  8. BigBlueAL

    Knicks need to change the starting lineup because these horrible starts to games are becoming tiresome.

  9. llcoolbp

    BigBlueAL:
    Knicks need to change the starting lineup because these horrible starts to games are becoming tiresome.

    they need another good ballhandler out there at the start. Shump or JR. They have no choice. With the way teams will be gunning for Lin.

  10. johnlocke

    Scratch Melo’s big game….Melo looks like he still hasn’t regained his shooting touch (worrisome). No one on the Knicks is playing well right now ….no one

  11. art vandelay

    this is going exactly as I expected, meaning horrendously…jeez I swear I don’t know if this team will ever get out of its own way…unbelievably frustrating as a fan….I have backed d’antoni through thick and thin but for first time I am starting to wonder why they come out so lackluster constantly…poor preparation.

  12. johnlocke

    bad shot selection…and bad shooting mostly… only person that can find his outside shot right now is Novak…yet they all keep shooting

  13. joengai

    false, jeremy’s name in chinese is Lin Shu-How, and the character in your avatar is the last character, “How”. In chinese, the last name is written first.

    Robert Silverman: It’s “Lin” in Chinese

  14. Bruno Almeida

    thyrdrail:
    gee lin has the most points at 4. why arent the $15+ million superstars scoring?

    because they aren’t really 18 million stars

  15. llcoolbp

    simply pathetic. Blame has to be placed on melo, STAT, and Dantoni. The stars need to step the F up. The coach needs to make better decisions. Like starting Shump.

  16. jon abbey

    joengai:
    false, jeremy’s name in chinese is Lin Shu-How, and the character in your avatar is the last character, “How”. In chinese, the last name is written first.

    hehe, the good news is that Robert didn’t get a tattoo of it at least. :)

  17. jon abbey

    llcoolbp:
    simply pathetic. Blame has to be placed on melo, STAT, and Dantoni. The stars need to step the F up. The coach needs to make better decisions. Like starting Shump.

    yes/yes/yes. Melo was terrible in the first, no excuse.

  18. llcoolbp

    oh well, looks like we will fight for the 8 seed again this year. With a first round sweep at the hands of the heat. That should be fun. Watching Lebron and wade throw full court lobs for 4 games.

  19. joe

    bad passes and bricking……………..melo…………..stat jr smith even novak…………..if things would just slow down and move the ball safely…… and not rush things we would be ok……………………

  20. johnlocke

    LOL. Read the score column wrong, thought they were playing each other.

    art vandelay:
    I think the answer is that we want Atlanta and Boston to both lose.

  21. llcoolbp

    what sucks about this is the carrot we all got for 2 weeks with Linsanity. Then melo and STAT came back and the entire thing has fallen apart. What a cruel world we live in. The Mets are about to start the season. I want to crawl under a rock and cry.

  22. johnlocke

    He is actually doing a very good job. Give the dude credit when due..

    llcoolbp:
    watching stat try to guard dirk is comical. Even though he is 1/5.

  23. KnicksFanInVA

    Coming back from the dead. Starts with Lin’s aggressiveness. Screw Melo and Stat. Unleash Lin!

  24. BT.Knicks

    Hey finally here… not a great start =(

    but that D by Stat was a pleasant surprise to see. and SHUMP w/ a 3!

  25. llcoolbp

    johnlocke:
    He is actually doing a very good job. Give the dude credit when due..

    you are right. Just very negative right now. I hate dantoni so much its spills over to everyone.

  26. art vandelay

    STAT showed more life and spring on that dunk than I have seen from him almost all season….looking a bit more spry tonight….maybe there is hope after all!

  27. Thomas B.

    jon abbey:
    I hope the Knicks are as revved up for this one as I am, because if they are, look out Mavs.

    I think they are not as revved as you are.

  28. johnlocke

    Still mad at him from last game too…and for starting Fields…but he’s not the one turning the ball over and taking and missing bad shots…. would be nice if he yelled at someone else besides Shump in a game ….(um STAT!)

    llcoolbp: you are right. Just very negative right now. I hate dantoni so much its spills over to everyone.

  29. BT.Knicks

    hey had to WORK for that… jeez. I think each of them had 3 touches before we got 2 points.

  30. Mulligan

    Some promising stuff now. Gotta get Novak or JR on the floor and we can make a serious run.

  31. Mulligan

    Game looking a bit ragged on both sides. That’s gotta favor us in the second half with our depth

  32. Mulligan

    Down 6 at the half. That’s much better than I thought it’d be judging by the start of the 2nd.

  33. hotdamn

    So lucky they’re only down by 6. Melo looks soft…but picked it up in the last minute. STAT is playing his best of late. I wondered in the beginning if he had any legs but he had a few nice jams. Lin isn’t playing well…but at least he plays hard. Also, nice to see Harrelson as an option.

  34. llcoolbp

    well down by 6 after another staggeringly inept half offensively. Also giving up way to many open 3’s. If this team defends the 3 ball better and somehow becomes a middle of the pack offensive team they can be a 4-6 seed. But with dantoni’s mind boggling in game decisions I’m not sure how that is possible.

  35. jon abbey

    Fields with a couple of big boards towards the end there, credit where credit is due (although 2 of his 5 boards were worthless, as they were uncontested with two other Knicks there).

    nice half by Amare, on both ends (!!!).

  36. jon abbey

    also that inbounds throwaway by Melo was exactly what I was talking about in the previous thread. the top players in the league simply never do things like that, ever.

  37. johnlocke

    I’ve noticed he has a trend of battling Tyson and Amare for rebounds…. and a few times it has led to turnovers

    jon abbey:
    Fields with a couple of big boards towards the end there, credit where credit is due (although 2 of his 5 boards were worthless, as they were uncontested with two other Knicks there).

    nice half by Amare, on both ends (!!!).

  38. Mulligan

    jon abbey:
    Fields with a couple of big boards towards the end there, credit where credit is due (although 2 of his 5 boards were worthless, as they were uncontested with two other Knicks there).

    nice half by Amare, on both ends (!!!).

    Btw, am I wrong in saying that Amar’e is the master of the worthless board? No one disputes this, right?

  39. Bruno Almeida

    Owen:
    I am excited to see what Ruruland says about that little sequence by Melo….

    really, really terrible basketball…

  40. jon abbey

    Doug:
    I just got out of night class and from reading the thread I’d swear we were down 25.

    well, we were down 17 with zero players playing well, so it’s not so out of line tonight.

  41. Bruno Almeida

    jon abbey:
    also that inbounds throwaway by Melo was exactly what I was talking about in the previous thread. the top players in the league simply never do things like that, ever.

    agreed… I’m losing hope for a Carmelo turnaround very, very quickly.

    he just doesn’t seem to have the mindset to do it, I don’t think he’s humble enough to realize his shortcomings and understand that he might be a better basketball player if he had a different attitude.

    you look at guys like Durant or Chris Paul, they just “get” the game, they understand the nuances, they truly are critical of themselves and know where they can improve… Carmelo just seems oblivious, with that Kobe-like attitude “I’m doing what I do and everybody should shut the f. up because I’m a star”…

  42. Gamecockerbocker

    Just got home and checked out the stats. Looks like Amare isn’t fading away on wide open jumpers at the elbow tonight!

  43. outoftowner

    If it makes anyone feel better I remember turnovers being the big issue for the Knicks during the ’99 regular season too. Just saying…

  44. Mulligan

    I don’t know if because of Lin’s inexperience, but the games lately seem so much more dependent on adjustments at the half – either the other team adjusts to Lin and we fall apart or Lin adjusts to them and we make a sweet comeback. Seems like we were on our way to figuring out Dallas in the 2nd quarter. Let’s see if they throw something new at us in the 3rd.

  45. jon abbey

    outoftowner:
    If it makes anyone feel better I remember turnovers being the big issue for the Knicks during the ’99 regular season too.Just saying…

    there were no Miamis and Chicagos in ’99, that Miami team was not built for the playoffs.

  46. daJudge

    Down by 6—I’ll take it and will stay up a little longer. Nice to see Jorts back. Some life from Stat.

  47. Mulligan

    Bruno Almeida: agreed… I’m losing hope for a Carmelo turnaround very, very quickly.

    he just doesn’t seem to have the mindset to do it, I don’t think he’s humble enough to realize his shortcomings and understand that he might be a better basketball player if he had a different attitude.

    you look at guys like Durant or Chris Paul, they just “get” the game, they understand the nuances, they truly are critical of themselves and know where they can improve… Carmelo just seems oblivious, with that Kobe-like attitude “I’m doing what I do and everybody should shut the f. up because I’m a star”…

    I don’t think most people who have watched the last few games with Melo would agree with that. He’s obviously making a serious effort to play within the team. The unending Melo iso’s of the first 1/3rd of the season are all but gone. He iso’s occasionally, but it doesn’t suffocate the offense. He’s not having a good game, but he’s playing with the team.

  48. Jake S.

    Do we think Anthony might be hurt? You can’t slide a newspaper under his feet when he goes up.

  49. jon abbey

    I would love to know if anyone on the coaching staff even says anything to Melo about that in-bounds pass. it really seems like we could use a hard-ass coach like Skiles or Pop.

  50. johnlocke

    I don’t agree with your Kobe comparison, although I agree with what you say about Melo….Kobe has added to his game every single season and is a ridiculously hard worker. He has the arrogance of a star but the work ethic of a 12th man

    Bruno Almeida: agreed… I’m losing hope for a Carmelo turnaround very, very quickly.

    he just doesn’t seem to have the mindset to do it, I don’t think he’s humble enough to realize his shortcomings and understand that he might be a better basketball player if he had a different attitude.

    you look at guys like Durant or Chris Paul, they just “get” the game, they understand the nuances, they truly are critical of themselves and know where they can improve… Carmelo just seems oblivious, with that Kobe-like attitude “I’m doing what I do and everybody should shut the f. up because I’m a star”…

  51. Doug

    jon abbey:
    I would love to know if anyone on the coaching staff even says anything to Melo about that in-bounds pass. it really seems like we could use a hard-ass coach like Skiles or Pop.

    Pop, sure. Skiles, LOL NO.

  52. d-mar

    Mulligan: Btw, am I wrong in saying that Amar’e is the master of the worthless board? No one disputes this, right?

    Give the guy a freakin’ break one time, he was the best player on the floor for the Knicks in the first half

  53. Gamecockerbocker

    When was the last time STAT finished a dunk in traffic? Last year before the back injury?

  54. jon abbey

    I like the way Amare is playing tonight, Melo on the other hand is just killing us.

    Jeffries out for the second half, wonderful. Chandler also is not the same with his bad wrist.

  55. art vandelay

    Our starting back court of Lin and Fields may be worst in the nba defensively at following and seeing defenders through screens.

  56. David Crockett

    Seriously,

    somebody needs to put one of these defenders on the floor. Lin is getting savaged.

  57. Gamecockerbocker

    If Landry Fields could do anything besides grab rebounds he might deserve to start for someone… like the Bobcats maybe.

  58. jon abbey

    Owen:
    I don’t know how Lin is going to survive a tough playoff series….

    hopefully he’ll be coming off the bench by then.

  59. David Crockett

    Owen:
    I don’t know how Lin is going to survive a tough playoff series….

    Well, if NY isn’t gonna hit back people will keep taking shots at the kid. D’Antoni just picked up a T he should have picked up a week and a half ago.

    I have not seen a single opponent hit the ground the way Lin has.

  60. jon abbey

    David Crockett:

    I have not seen a single opponent hit the ground the way Lin has.

    because he falls over if you breathe on him. Dallas clubbed him a few times, but a lot of these games, it’s been routine contact.

  61. jon abbey

    hoolahoop:
    Either, the knicks talent is very over rated, or the coach sucks.

    they haven’t had much time together, but the coach does suck.

  62. Owen

    My wife says.

    “The magic is gone. I don’t know why Carmelo shoots it all the time. Stop thinking about your own stats and play like you are on a team. Ever since he showed up they look terrible. No one plays well. They stink. He stinks.”

    Surprised I married her?

    And, apparently Yi Jianlian has a really big adam’s apple….

  63. Gamecockerbocker

    Seriously, what does Fields, at a starter-level, do besides rebound? Case and point grabs a rebound on on end misses a wide open layup on the other.

  64. Gamecockerbocker

    So Novak fouled Li, but Chandler gets hacked and there’s no call. If I were D’Antoni I probably would’ve took a chair to every one of those refs and bid my career farewell.

  65. Thomas B.

    hoolahoop:
    Either, the knicks talent is very over rated, or the coach sucks.

    I disagree.
    Clearly the coach is over rated and the the Knicks talent sucks.
    :-)

  66. TheXman

    this team absolutely sucks balls, jr is sucking, melo is sucking. ugh, since melo’s return, have they actually beaten anyone good? I miss the Lin, Chandler, Jeffries, Shump and Novak team.

  67. DRed

    Carmelo is making 18 million dollars and he’s 2 for fucking 11 and you’re all bitching about Landry Fields?

    (that being said, I’d like shump to be playing more)

  68. Gamecockerbocker

    DRed:
    Carmelo is making 18 million dollars and he’s 2 for fucking 11 and you’re all bitching about Landry Fields?

    (that being said, I’d like shump to be playing more)
    I’m not really bitching about him… I think he should see a decent amount of minutes every game. I’m bitching at the fact that he’s a starter for an NBA basketball team that I just so happened to root for. So I guess I’m bitching at D’Antoni?

  69. Doug

    DRed:
    Carmelo is making 18 million dollars and he’s 2 for fucking 11 and you’re all bitching about Landry Fields?

    (that being said, I’d like shump to be playing more)

    I’m not going to bitch at Melo for taking open shots.

  70. Gamecockerbocker

    Hey… Amare… if you could, uh… you know… do whatever it was you were doing in the first half… that’d be cool.

  71. Z

    Thomas B.:
    I say he should change his name to Landry “1-8 from the” Fields.

    That’s good. (Even if Fields is 2-5 :)

    (This site has missed Thomas B. jokes lately!)

  72. Nick C.

    jon abbey:
    if anyone was hitting, we’d be right in this. Melo, JR, Baron, Lin, 8-31 combined.

    Jon I think you broke the first law of the internet by pointing out when your faves are not doing well.

  73. Mulligan

    Seriously. How could anyone think we’d be down 3 at this point? I’m not even particularly into this game… but I suppose it’s awesome?

  74. hoolahoop

    CAn you imagine the knciks winning this game?
    I can’t.
    Dirk will come back in and they’ll call a dozen fouls for the knicks blowing on him

  75. BT.Knicks

    wow… where did this come from?

    freaking BENCH! They need a name.

    I’m becoming a believer that Lin should play with this bench – he’ll do better and they’ll do better. WOW.

    Shump with the steals, Stat with actual D on Dirk and freaking Novakaine!!

  76. Doug

    Z:
    Wow, this is a weird game. How are we suddenly only down 3?

    Novakaine. And the Shumpband.

    When their powers combine…

  77. Will the Thrill

    Shumpert and Novak have pretty much been the only Knicks who have been playing well these past couple games. Melo has lost all confidence, and Baron/Lin have been nothing special (or downright bad). The defense has been incredible though in the 4th!!! Baron just needs to stop shooting.

  78. d-mar

    BigBlueAL:
    All this is gonna be is another heartbreaking loss isnt it.Waste of a comeback.

    Yup, Dirk with the dagger with a minute left, bank on it.

  79. art vandelay

    whoever said this comeback would be stifled by a nowitzki parade to the line was spot on!!!

  80. thenamestsam

    Whatever happens this game it does remind you why we shouldn’t give up on this year. Every team is flawed. This mavs team is arguably top 5 in the league and they’re just not that great. The lockout made for a lot of inconsistent streaky teams, and we have as much talent as almost any of them. A few breaks and we have a shot.

  81. Owen

    ‘After this game, how can anyone think we should be starting ‘Melo ahead of Novak?”

    I think I have been on the record saying that for a while…

  82. jon abbey

    Novak giveth and Novak taketh away.

    this loss is one hundred percent on Melo. 100 percent.

  83. art vandelay

    so typical….I could have written the script…seen it a million times….well, I think we can say goodbye to .500 for a while

  84. Will the Thrill

    I really hope we can just avoid the Heat in the playoffs. I wouldn’t mind the Bulls, because I know this team is pretty pitiful right now.

  85. Brian Cronin

    Novak giveth and Novak taketh away.

    Ha! I was just about to write that exact same thing. How weird was that that he was the key to the comeback (on the offensive end – clearly Shump was the key on the defensive end) and then nearly singlehandedly ruined it once they got there.

  86. TheXman

    Lin/Melo/Stat can’t play together. It’s just bad. Melo can’t play team ball, bottomline. D’Antoni better figure it out or they’ll be out of the playoffs.

  87. jon abbey

    DRed:
    After this game, how can anyone think we should be starting ‘Melo ahead of Novak?

    Novak has been horrendous on D, they go right at him pretty much every time.

  88. David Crockett

    Every starter except STAT… you sucked tonight. Donate your game check to a member of the 2nd unit.

  89. Brian Cronin

    dunno what the hell is wrong with JR Smith also, but he better wake up soon.

    Yeah, when Smith is getting outplayed by Fields (or should I say “Smith out-poorly played Fields”), you know there is something wrong with JR. I especially hated when he looked off an open Novak to take (and brick) a contested three. Grrr…

  90. Owen

    Man, Carmelo is not doing himself any favors. Every time the camera cuts to him he is laughing and joking about something….

  91. TheXman

    Will the Thrill:
    I really hope we can just avoid the Heat in the playoffs.I wouldn’t mind the Bulls, because I know this team is pretty pitiful right now.

    LOL PLAYOFFS! YOU TALKING PLAYOFFS!!! YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME, WE MAY NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS

  92. jon abbey

    on top of everything, the main reason we may be fucked is that Chandler seems incapable of catching the ball anymore.

  93. DRed

    jon abbey: Novak has been horrendous on D, they go right at him pretty much every time.

    I was mostly joking. But serioulsy, Melo was awful tonight.

  94. Kikuchiyo

    Brian Cronin: you know there is something wrong with JR. I especially hated when he looked off an open Novak to take (and brick) a contested three. Grrr…

    (Quote)

    Actually, I think it was a contested long TWO. Horrible.

  95. Will the Thrill

    haha well IF we make the playoffs, I hope we don’t draw Miami (I hope the Bulls get the 1 seed).

    TheXman: LOL PLAYOFFS! YOU TALKING PLAYOFFS!!! YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME, WE MAY NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS

  96. themark

    Melo was a no show. I guess marion still got it as a defensive player. But I’m just mad we didn’t look like we had as much heart to win this game than the mavs who had a tough loss last night. And the dumb techs. SMH

  97. hoolahoop

    Owen:
    Man, Carmelo is not doing himself any favors. Every time the camera cuts to him he is laughing and joking about something….

    Yeah, he’s a real winner.

  98. TheXman

    I mean seriously, why does the team look great without Melo and Amare on the court. It’s utterly hilarious, why did they win 7 in a row without Melo and Amare? What’s the issue here? There was no “adjustment” period or whatever when they had that great run. Where was the fucking adjustment period? All those guys were playing great team ball, combined with the fact that Lin was playing out of his ass.

  99. Owen

    “on top of everything, the main reason we may be fucked is that Chandler seems incapable of catching the ball anymore.”

    Yeah. The bone bruise seems to making him much less of a weapon on the pnr.

  100. David Crockett

    Owen:
    Man, Carmelo is not doing himself any favors. Every time the camera cuts to him he is laughing and joking about something….

    Of course if he were screwfaced the story would be that he’s pouting because he’s not on the floor.

    He stunk tonight. I don’t see where the story needs any more embellishment.

  101. Brian Cronin

    Marion is still an excellent defense player.

    Actually, I think it was a contested long TWO.

    Was it? Ugh.

    Don’t get me wrong, Novak took a couple of ridiculous shots himself. Like the looooooooong three with the Knicks down three? Ugh.

  102. Doug

    d-mar:
    We split 2 games with the NBA champions, let’s not all jump off a cliff

    This is perfect time to jump off a cliff!!! Bench everyone, then fire them and murder them in cold blood! Run Carmelo through with a rusty pike and leave his body in the gutter for the dogs to eat! Saw Amare in half! Bury Fields alive!

  103. tenebrous

    Not sure where I saw a poll but I responded that the Knicks will end up the third seed in the east. It now looks like we’ll be lucky if we even make the playoffs. Needless to say. Life vest in hand.

  104. Juany8

    The Knicks might give away the most dumb points of any team in the league. Melo can’t shoot, they give away technicals every quarter, they can’t hit free throws, they have bone-headed, d-league level turnovers every few minutes….

    Oh and can no one on this team catch a freaking ball? Seriously, if this team was simply able to hold on to the ball on rebounds and entry passes we’d probably be 2-3 points per game better. If D’Antoni can’t teach his players to play attention to a single important detail why the hell is he still a coach.

  105. art vandelay

    Absolute only positive was that STAT showed signs of life…and actually D’d up a bit….JR Smith takes some of the worst contested long 2’s I have seen….and there never seems to be anyone even near the basket for a potential rebound when he launches…

    I wouldn’t even say Marion was so impressive defensively…Melo just looked completely uninterested in the game…total lethargy was what I saw….I usually defend him, but his performance tonight was completely indefensible….just had zero fire whatsoever…first time I have to wonder if there is something going on with him mentally…is he really ticked off at linsanity after all?

  106. hoolahoop

    Owen:
    “on top of everything, the main reason we may be fucked is that Chandler seems incapable of catching the ball anymore.”

    Yeah. The bone bruise seems to making him much less of a weapon on the pnr.

    Hands of stone.

  107. TheXman

    Just seems like forever ago when I was enjoying and giggling watching Chandler, Jeffries, Fields, Shump, and Lin with Novak and Walker. Where are all those great PnRs?

  108. GoKnicksGo

    My god what a bunch of fairweather fans. Melo is good trade Stat. Stat is good…trade melo. Get Jr, waive Jr. Novak is the best…Novak just cost us the game. Baron should start…Baron needs to go to the bench NOW!. Do you know not understand, you need everyone on the team to play well. Doesn’t matter if it’s Tony Douglas or Carmelo Anthony. Right now, Lin is playing not to lose as in, “Im going to try to get 18 points and 8 assists and no turnovers”. He’s trying too hard to not make mistakes and playing passive on offense. I think everyone needs to shut up and just let them play. The biggest problem is guys are just jacking up shots now, which means they’re playing small-minded like this board.

  109. Brian Cronin

    mean seriously, why does the team look great without Melo and Amare on the court. It’s utterly hilarious, why did they win 7 in a row without Melo and Amare?

    They won 7 in a row playing one good team (and Melo and Amar’e were each around for at least one game of the streak). Don’t get me wrong, I think that there is something to be said for the argument that Melo and Amar’e are not only not complimentary players but actually…what’s the opposite of complimentary players? Insulting players? But as fun as that streak was, let’s not make it into something that it wasn’t.

  110. TheXman

    Brian Cronin: if he were screwfaced the story would be that he’s pouting because he’s not on the floor.

    Better than any other joker on this team taking the 3. Would you rather have Baron shooting it? Melo shooting the 3 is laughable, him and Odom were battling for who can outshit the other.

  111. Brian Cronin

    Better than any other joker on this team taking the 3. Would you rather have Baron shooting it? Melo shooting the 3 is laughable, him and Odom were battling for who can outshit the other.

    I presume you meant to quote my Novak comment, right?

    If so, come on, you can’t defend that shot. It was a bad shot. They didn’t have to take a three there. That was a problem they had a lot during the game. They seemed to think that they needed a three every possession. Looked at how much better things went when Baron Davis stopped trying to shoot threes. Meanwhile, Harrelson trying a fadeaway three? Yikes.

  112. nicos

    Well, something has to give in the starting line-up. No chemistry at all. Fields wasn’t awful tonight but that’s really the only place you can make a switch- you can’t keep getting off to such poor starts in the third quarter. Davis was just terrible- not only poor shot selection but he took forever to get the offense started just about every time down the floor. 3 more techs, more bad free throw shooting- those little things have to start getting taken care of right now.

  113. Owen

    “I think everyone needs to shut up and just let them play”

    So sorry man. Didn’t realize my comments were undermining the team’s confidence.

    My bad….

  114. GoKnicksGo

    For those of you thinking starting Baron. Baron has two modes. Circus pass mode and Circus score mode. Take you pick. Lin needs to run the offense…not focus on one or two guys, or on not making mistakes. If he’s thinking, I’m only going to do what the defense gives me…then he’s not going to get much. He needs to get back to attacking mode. If he needs to turn into Russell Westbrook…then so be it.

  115. TheXman

    GoKnicksGo: needs to shut up and just let them play. The biggest problem is guys are just jacking up shots now,

    It could be, he’s deferring to Melo. But now that Melo is not delivering, THEY ARE LOSING. Melo and Amare are like blackholes, they aren’t complimentary players who can play solid team ball. They just go into lapses, go behind and then try a comeback but then it’s too late. Fucking happened with the Celtics and now the Mavs. Tomorrow is a guaranteed loss. We need to buckle down and somehow beat the Blazers and the Bucks. But I have a feeling Felton is going to light us up.

  116. ircorona

    Doug: This is perfect time to jump off a cliff!!! Bench everyone, then fire them and murder them in cold blood! Run Carmelo through with a rusty pike and leave his body in the gutter for the dogs to eat! Saw Amare in half! Bury Fields alive!

    Lmfao.. i think this is the best comment so far… hahaha..
    I believe that..people are correct at the perspective that amare and melo out of the game lead to us 7 wins straight…but. i dont believe thats a reason to count them out.. this team has amazing potential… at this point i dont believe lin, landry, or stat should be starting….but thats just me.. suck up the loss.. look forward to tomm! lets go knicks!

  117. Juany8

    art vandelay:
    Absolute only positive was that STAT showed signs of life…and actually D’d up a bit….JR Smith takes some of the worst contested long 2?s I have seen….and there never seems to be anyone even near the basket for a potential rebound when he launches…

    I wouldn’t even say Marion was so impressive defensively…Melo just looked completely uninterested in the game…total lethargy was what I saw….I usually defend him, but his performance tonight was completely indefensible….just had zero fire whatsoever…first time I have to wonder if there is something going on with him mentally…is he really ticked off at linsanity after all?

    I’m starting to think that Melo is wondering why Lin and Novak get to take absolutely idiotic shots constantly and get no crap for it but he can’t take an open jumper without it being condemned. Maybe he’s not disgruntled, but he’s probably thinking about every offensive move he makes.

    Also, it’s starting to look like Lin is nothing more than a competent rookie point guard after all. I know everyone wanted him to continue playing like a star, but that’s what happens when teams start gunning for you every night. I’m hoping Baron is able to get into some kind of decent game shape before the playoffs, because regardless of what Carmelo does we will be slaughtered running this offense with Lin against Miami or Chicago. D’Antoni is pretending Lin is Steve Nash and letting him run everything even when he plays like crap.

  118. BigBlueAL

    Now that the game is over and the frustration of watching the game is done can we all realize the Knicks just lost back-to-back games on the road against 2 pretty good teams while having the lead in the 4th quarter in both games?? Nothing to really get too worked up about.

  119. GoKnicksGo

    Owen:
    “I think everyone needs to shut up and just let them play”

    So sorry man. Didn’t realize my comments were undermining the team’s confidence.

    My bad….

    I don’t think they can hear your bandwagon support when they’re winning either.

  120. thenamestsam

    Positives: 1. Amare. First game Ina while where he looked like himself. Very important for him to follow it up tomorrow with another solid game.
    2. The bench. Shump was great. Novak was a missed bag and he can’t keep up that shooting forever but it’s fun to watch right now. Baron shot too much but mostly ran the team well.
    3. Heart. Didn’t pull it off in either game but both of the last two it looked like they were on their way to 25 pt losses and they reeled it back in both times.
    Negatives:1. Melo. Awful game but not too worried long term. He took one horrid shot that I remember but other than that they were reasonable. Hell make shots eventually.
    2. Lin: much bigger long term concern. Another bad game and he doesn’t seem to know how to fit in when he’s not the focal point. His confidence is starting to look a little shaky too.
    3. The freaking coach. This team is so undisciplined and they have no idea how to reverse momentum when the other team is on a great run. Thats a coaching issue. And start Shump already for gods sake.
    4. Chandler. Not the same player since he got hurt. I’d say rest him for a few games if the team could afford it. Ultimately they may have to do it anyway and hope to keep their heads above water until he gets back.

  121. thyrdrail

    lin played well – 14pts, 7 assists, and only 2 to’s. he’s got the same game stats as kidd tonight. and lin is a rookie while kidd is 40 years old. so how is that bad? chillout. he’s learning.

  122. Brian Cronin

    lin played well – 14pts, 7 assists, and only 2 to’s. he’s got the same game stats as kidd tonight. and lin is a rookie while kidd is 40 years old. so how is that bad? chillout. he’s learning.

    He shot 4 for 13 and only made 5 out of 8 from the line. And he was burned on defense repeatedly. That is a bad night. Not a horrendous night, but a bad night.

  123. TheXman

    BigBlueAL:
    Now that the game is over and the frustration of watching the game is done can we all realize the Knicks just lost back-to-back games on the road against 2 pretty good teams while having the lead in the 4th quarter in both games??Nothing to really get too worked up about.

    Which means, we will get slaughtered by an actual ELITE team tomorrow. Tony parker will likely go for 45 points.

  124. thyrdrail

    2. Lin: much bigger long term concern. Another bad game and he doesn’t seem to know how to fit in when he’s not the focal point. His confidence is starting to look a little shaky too.

    how did lin play a bad game when he got 2nd most points among knicks players?

  125. ircorona

    Juany8: I’m starting to think that Melo is wondering why Lin and Novak get to take absolutely idiotic shots constantly and get no crap for it but he can’t take an open jumper without it being condemned. Maybe he’s not disgruntled, but he’s probably thinking about every offensive move he makes.

    Also, it’s starting to look like Lin is nothing more than a competent rookie point guard after all. I know everyone wanted him to continue playing like a star, but that’s what happens when teams start gunning for you every night. I’m hoping Baron is able to get into some kind of decent game shape before the playoffs, because regardless of what Carmelo does we will be slaughtered running this offense with Lin against Miami or Chicago. D’Antoni is pretending Lin is Steve Nash and letting him run everything even when he plays like crap.

    I agree..

  126. Owen

    The opposite of compimentary might be duplicative, that’s always the word I use when discussing Melo and Stat.

    Maybe contradictory?

  127. Will the Thrill

    How many “idiotic shots” has Novak taken this year? 1. And he was hot from 3 all game. Even though Carmelo isn’t taking as many idiotic shots as he used to, I would much rather have Novak shooting than Melo at this point. Doesn’t it seem like when Melo drives he has absolutely no lift? I mean he’s getting blocked at an alarming rate.

    Juany8: I’m starting to think that Melo is wondering why Lin and Novak get to take absolutely idiotic shots constantly and get no crap for it but he can’t take an open jumper without it being condemned. Maybe he’s not disgruntled, but he’s probably thinking about every offensive move he makes.

    Also, it’s starting to look like Lin is nothing more than a competent rookie point guard after all. I know everyone wanted him to continue playing like a star, but that’s what happens when teams start gunning for you every night. I’m hoping Baron is able to get into some kind of decent game shape before the playoffs, because regardless of what Carmelo does we will be slaughtered running this offense with Lin against Miami or Chicago. D’Antoni is pretending Lin is Steve Nash and letting him run everything even when he plays like crap.

  128. art vandelay

    boy if they lose to milwaukee friday night (you can already write down in pen an L for tomorrow night’s game, folks) the calls for Sr. Pringles’ job may come out of the woodwork again….look for a steven a. smith piece saturday morning…hahaha! it might be perfect symmetry, though…they seemed to bottom out in that milwaukee game at home earlier in the year….to me that game was the absolute nadir of the season…of course I hope we right the ship, asap, though….but I fear horrendously!

  129. thyrdrail

    Brian Cronin: He shot 4 for 13 and only made 5 out of 8 from the line. And he was burned on defense repeatedly. That is a bad night. Not a horrendous night, but a bad night.

    but kidd got only 4 of 9. did he play horribly? and who on knicks team play defense? they’re not known for playing defense cuz d’antoni doesnt stress it.

  130. Brian Cronin

    The opposite of compimentary might be duplicative, that’s always the word I use when discussing Melo and Stat.

    Maybe contradictory?

    I still like insulting!

    But yeah, contradictory is probably the best (although duplicative works, too. As would redundant).

  131. hoolahoop

    Juany8: I’m starting to think that Melo is wondering why Lin and Novak get to take absolutely idiotic shots constantly and get no crap for it but he can’t take an open jumper without it being condemned. Maybe he’s not disgruntled, but he’s probably thinking about every offensive move he makes.

    Also, it’s starting to look like Lin is nothing more than a competent rookie point guard after all. I know everyone wanted him to continue playing like a star, but that’s what happens when teams start gunning for you every night. I’m hoping Baron is able to get into some kind of decent game shape before the playoffs, because regardless of what Carmelo does we will be slaughtered running this offense with Lin against Miami or Chicago. D’Antoni is pretending Lin is Steve Nash and letting him run everything even when he plays like crap.

    Well said.

  132. nicos

    Hard to believe Harrellson is as effective as he is on defense- I’d forgotten just how slow he is, I mean slooooow. Gets it done somehow, though. It’ll be interesting how the second unit will look if Jeffries misses more time as he was actually playing well in the pnr and I don’t think Harrellson moves well enough to be the main roll guy- maybe more Amar’e and less JR?

  133. hoolahoop

    thyrdrail:
    lin played well – 14pts, 7 assists, and only 2 to’s. he’s got the same game stats as kidd tonight. and lin is a rookie while kidd is 40 years old. so how is that bad? chillout. he’s learning.

    Lin played like crap.

  134. Juany8

    Will the Thrill:
    How many “idiotic shots” has Novak taken this year? 1.And he was hot from 3 all game.Even though Carmelo isn’t taking as many idiotic shots as he used to, I would much rather have Novak shooting than Melo at this point.Doesn’t it seem like when Melo drives he has absolutely no lift? I mean he’s getting blocked at an alarming rate.

    He’s not getting some of the foul calls he’s used to, but he’s just been missing open jump shots and put backs right now. Whatever you want to say about Melo, his issue has generally been his tendency to force some bad shots, he’s actually been a good player when you break down his other shooting categories. This year he hasn’t been making anything since he started getting injured, and now the team never gives him the ball to create, even when Jeremy Lin is dribbling aimlessly around the 3 point line because NBA players are taking him seriously now.

  135. outoftowner

    Owen:
    The opposite of compimentary might be duplicative, that’s always the word I use when discussing Melo and Stat.

    Maybe contradictory?

    I don’t even think its that they’re not complementary, its that they’re just not good. I thought they were both mildly overrated coming into this season but they’ve just fallen off a cliff.

  136. art vandelay

    I think Lin’s defense is a major issue…he grabs a few steals and is decent in man-to-man, but opposing PG’s are still lighting us up…Kidd had more FG attempts tonight than in any game all season, apparently….Lin goes under every screen and leaves the opposing PG WIDE open for a 3….just imagine how many 3-pt FGs Jennings is going to attempt on friday….I just hope they go clang! As I said earlier, defensively we have a starting back court that has no idea how to run through screens and follow their man…we gave up a TON of uncontested outside 3’s tonight.

  137. limpidgimp

    Brian Cronin: what’s the opposite of complimentary players? Insulting players?

    Let’s not confuse the word ‘complementary’ with ‘complimentary’ — they mean different things!

  138. formido

    thyrdrail:
    lin played well – 14pts, 7 assists, and only 2 to’s. he’s got the same game stats as kidd tonight. and lin is a rookie while kidd is 40 years old. so how is that bad? chillout. he’s learning.

    Because people are really dumb and aren’t able to see how their expectations affect their “analysis”.

    The fact is, Lin’s finishers used to be Chandler (highest shooting percentage in league) and Novak (3 point killer). Now his finishers are Amare and Melo and neither of them are doing their jobs particularly well. Couple that with the fact that people have been bitching and moaning about turnovers, when turnovers were never a freaking problem (total team turnovers have not gone up since Lin took over), and there you go. Instead of playing aggressive, winning basketball with competent finishers, they’re doing what they’re doing.

    Nevertheless, griping about Amare and Melo is silly. The Knick’s second team cannot go deep in the playoffs. If the Knicks are going to do anything significant, they will have to figure out how to make the offense run smoothly with everyone involved. And guess what? They will! When they’re clicking, it’s a thing of beauty. We’ve seen glimpses of it.

    I remember last season when Miami was playing .500 ball. I remember when they had a 5 game losing streak and had a team meeting where players cried. I remember much wailing and gnashing of teeth. Everyone had strong opinions about every player and what kind of trades needed to be made and blah blah blah. I also remember they eventually figured out how they all fit together and tore the league up. And a year on, they’re even better. Because getting reps together matters. No matter how much you wish it didn’t.

    Remember when it seemed like 8-15 was the end of the world? And then it wasn’t? Losing a few games right now is NOT going to be the end of the world, nor…

  139. thyrdrail

    hoolahoop: Lin played like crap.

    maybe you’re one of those who thinks he’s some miracle worker which he’s not. well, he performed a miracle in that he single handledly saved the knicks’ season and d’antoni’s job. without him, would anyone be here moping this badly about a knicks’ loss to an nba championship team compared to when everyone expected the knicks to lose prior to him joining?

  140. TheXman

    d-mar: back and

    Lol there is no fucking way we will beat the Spurs. Maybe we’ll keep it close, then end up losing by 10 in the 4th. We look fucking great against the Cavs and Kings, but against legit teams, we need to fluke our way.

  141. Brian Cronin

    Lordy, why is is so hard to just concede when a player has a shitty game? It doesn’t matter in the long run. It’s not like a bad game means the death penalty. Like Melo had a shitty game. It’s not like they’re going to ask him for his salary back. It just means he had a bad game. Same with Lin.

  142. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    I just have to say this was the worst game ever!!!!!…… from a knicks fans perspective. i can get pissed about losing and getting blown out by a team, but how do you even fathom losing 2 games not cause the other team played better or our team played worse, but because the refs and Las Vegas bought the game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i am irate!!!!!!! it was clear that Lin was getting mugged every time he went to the basket; and in the 3rd quarter the only reason it was called was cause it was flagrant; and even then they only called a regular foul!!!!! he was head hunted by three different players in one play how is that possible!!!!!! how do you not call 4 different technical’s!!!!!??????? the fourth to the coach for telling the team to do that when he gets in the lane!!!!!!!!! the knicks lost this game but I’m proud to be a knicks fan since it seams that the only way teams can beat us is by cheating!!!!!!! and any knicks fan who has seen these last two games and doesn’t admit that should not be a knicks fan. it was evident that No-wits-key walked. the tricky thing is that the refs were not about to call the t on the coach because he had a tech. no they call it on chandler who was only agreeing with him and was not even half as irate as MDA. the bad thing there is that a coach wont sit out after a certian amount of techs just players!!!!! smh the refs Vegas and the NBA are against the Knicks and i as a true Knicks fan says

    LET THEM WE WILL STILL COME UP AS THE BEAST IN THE EAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  143. hoolahoop

    hoolahoop: Lin played like crap.

    I’ll revise that. Lin didn’t play like crap. But, he did not play well.
    When they attack him with a double team (every play) he struggles to not lose the ball and can’t see his wide ope bigs. He needs to get rid of the ball quicker.

  144. TheXman

    formido: made and blah blah blah. I also remember they eventually figured out how they all fit together and tore the league up. And a year on, they’re even better. Because getting reps together matters. No matter how much you wish it didn’t.

    Remember when it s

    Melo and Amare are not D-Wade and Lebron, so yeah big difference. So that’s a fail for comparison. I doubt we’ll be much better after the so-called “adjustment” period, matter of fact we don’t have elite all-stars on this team. Amare and Melo are above average players at best, right now they’re below average and hurting the team with inefficiency.

    Now if we had someone like Dwight Howard who is an actually legit superstar and we were losing, then yeah I’d be optimistic we’ll figure it out. But Melo overnight isn’t going to start shooting 50% from the field and get 6 assists a game, sorry.

  145. Brian Cronin

    I remember last season when Miami was playing .500 ball.

    When they were 9-8? Before they won 12 straight games? And then never got within even 10 games of .500 the rest of the season? Like their five game losing streak that dropped their record to 43-21?

    Last year’s Heat team has no similarities to this year’s Knicks team. Except the Heat had a mediocre start while the Knicks had a terrible start. I guess that is sort of kind of similar?

  146. formido

    hoolahoop: Lin played like crap.

    Isaih Thomas got Rookie of the Month for averaging worse than that. And how many passes have to go through receiver’s hands before people recognize that the Knicks as a team just suck at holding onto the ball. There’s a reason both of the Knick’s PGs had 6 TOs against Boston. One person gets credit for the turnovers, but it’s often not all one person’s fault. I lost count of how many Lin assists went through people’s hands.

  147. TheXman

    Why do people say Lin played like crap, he just had a bad shooting night. He went to the line 8 times, only Lin on this team forces fouls and gets to the line. He had 2 TOs and 7 assists, probably could have had more assists if others could finish.

    He just didn’t have a great shooting night, he’s not going to light it up for 38 points every game.

  148. art vandelay

    Yeah, last year’s Heat team won 21 out of 22 at one point….when was the last time a Knicks team even sniffed that….I believe I recall a 15-game winning streak in 1993-94 that ended with a loss in Miami, coincidentally.

  149. art vandelay

    2 players played well tonight: STAT and Shump…novak was slightly above average only because he had some boneheaded plays…the rest were all meh to atrocious.

  150. Owen

    Lin didn’t have a great game. But it wasn’t a disaster. And there were quite a number of fumbled passes.

    Outoftowner – Obviously I agree on Melo and Stat being overrated…

  151. ruruland

    art vandelay:
    Where is ruruland?

    Figure I’d be trolled tonight. Melo was as bad as I’ve seen him in a long, long time.

    No excuse for such an abysmal performance.

    Have it at, nothings ever stopped you before. Go to town, tonight he definitely deserves.

  152. Brian Cronin

    Lin didn’t have a great game. But it wasn’t a disaster. And there were quite a number of fumbled passes.

    Agreed. He didn’t have an awful game, but he had a bad game. Shot poorly and got torched on defense. I’m sure he’ll bounce back tomorrow night, especially against a defense that has not seen him yet.

  153. art vandelay

    I wasn’t ranking on you, ruruland…I just wanted to see, honestly, if maybe you could put his performance into greater perspective….you really provide some great analysis historically on his past tendencies, and I get the sense you seem to know his game better than just about anyone.

  154. thyrdrail

    hoolahoop: I’ll revise that. Lin didn’t play like crap. But, he did not play well.
    When they attack him with a double team (every play) he struggles to not lose the ball and can’t see his wide ope bigs. He needs to get rid of the ball quicker.

    umm….that’s the whole point of a double team – putting pressure on the pg and making him lose the ball or not pass to others or force him to make a to on a pass?? the issue is lin not playing well against a double team but the opps running a great defense?? which is something you should fault the knicks and d’antoni on – bad defense!

  155. hoolahoop

    Brian Cronin:
    Lordy, why is is so hard to just concede when a player has a shitty game? It doesn’t matter in the long run. It’s not like a bad game means the death penalty. Like Melo had a shitty game. It’s not like they’re going to ask him for his salary back. It just means he had a bad game. Same with Lin.

    Funny, how personal people take it. Some even get nasty and personally attack the commenter. Small, insecure people.

  156. limpidgimp

    The starting unit needs to be coached better to handle pick and rolls run against it. Lin often does not recover in time after getting screened, and often seems to not have the peripheral vision to anticipate being screened. So many times I see him colliding hard against the screener.

    They also need to find a way to exploit the defense when Lin is getting doubleteam trapped. Lin’s teammates often don’t put themselves in positions to receive a pass when he gets trapped.

  157. thyrdrail

    TheXman:
    Why do people say Lin played like crap, he just had a bad shooting night.He went to the line 8 times, only Lin on this team forces fouls and gets to the line.He had 2 TOs and 7 assists, probably could have had more assists if others could finish.

    He just didn’t have a great shooting night, he’s not going to light it up for 38 points every game.

    EXACTLY!! and he made several great passes but the others didnt finish.

  158. PC

    This roster just started playing together. Chill out. Sadly, the new Knicks are built for next year. Not this year. They’ll figure it out.

  159. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    TheXman: Melo and Amare are not D-Wade and Lebron, so yeah big difference.So that’s a fail for comparison.I doubt we’ll be much better after the so-called “adjustment” period, matter of fact we don’t have elite all-stars on this team.Amare and Melo are above average players at best, right now they’re below average and hurting the team with inefficiency.

    Now if we had someone like Dwight Howard who is an actually legit superstar and we were losing, then yeah I’d be optimistic we’ll figure it out.But Melo overnight isn’t going to start shooting 50% from the field and get 6 assists a game, sorry.

    U GUYZ CRACK ME UP ON PAPER WE HAVE THE BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE EVEN WITH AMARES AND MELOS SUBPAR SEASON. we have jeremy lin rated as a top ten pg, shump a very underrated rookie of the bench, fields the best sg in the league when it comes to movement without the ball and rebounding, jr smith a man that rivals Jamal Crawford as a six man, Jared Jeffries a defensive stopper in the class of Ben Wallace when it comes to intangibles and improved offensive skill this year, baron Davis coming off the bench, Tyson chandler best defensive center in the league and pic and roll center, with the best offensive and defensive coaches in the league on our sideline and you think we need a better superstar.!!!!!!! no what we need is more practice time in a regular season with the same team and the same players to surpass the level of play that Miami has done this year. THANK YOU AND GOOD NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!

  160. ruruland

    art vandelay:
    I wasn’t ranking on you, ruruland…I just wanted to see, honestly, if maybe you could put his performance into greater perspective….you really provide some great analysis historically on his past tendencies, and I get the sense you seem to know his game better than just about anyone.

    It was absolutely brutal, obviously. There’s no way around it.

    He’s had some bad games, obviously bad shooting games, but there is something else going on. His Twitter page has a picture of Ali slain with arrows. My personal opinion is that the media is in his head right now. He’s trying to please too many people, and as a result, he’s pleasing no one and tonight played just awful.

    I think Arod developed a bit of nuerosis in NY.

    Some of it was just missing shots, some of them really good looks. But to me, it looks as though he’s not sure how to assert himself offensively.

    Whenever he comes out of this he’ll be stronger, because frankly he’s never faced this sort of firestorm against him before.

    And when he does come out of it I think it will be something else.

    When that happens? I have no idea.

  161. hoolahoop

    thyrdrail: umm….that’s the whole point of a double team – putting pressure on the pg and making him lose the ball or not pass to others or force him to make a to on a pass?? the issue is lin not playing well against a double team but the opps running a great defense?? which is something you should fault the knicks and d’antoni on – bad defense!

    Wrong. It’s 100% Lin’s responsibility to overcome. He says so himself.
    He better learn how to handle the double teams. He’s going to have a steady diet of it.

  162. hoolahoop

    PC:
    This roster just started playing together. Chill out. Sadly, the new Knicks are built for next year. Not this year. They’ll figure it out.

    There is no next year. This squad is going to lose people.

  163. TheXman

    And people bemoan Melo for having a bad shooting night, but that’s his GODDAMN ROLE. That’s why he gets paid 20 MILLION MOTHER FUCKING DOLLARS A YEAR is to make open jump shots. I mean effing christ, we all know he can do that. If you can’t fill your role on the team, then you’re hurting the team. Lin’s role isn’t supposed to be shooting 20 shots a game and go for 40 points, he’s there to facilitate to people like Melo.

    Maybe Melo just can’t score in TEAM ball offense, he can probably do it better ball stopping, posting, going 1-on-1. But lately, now that’s just resulted in a disaster, he gets stuck in the paint, tries to force, either turns it over and hope he gets bailed out by a call. He did well in the 4th QTR against the C’s as he found some nice layups, he made one miracle shot to get the lead. Otherwise he had other hero shots that didn’t go in. His hero ball is low percentage and doesn’t win games.

  164. LMNYKFAN4LIFE

    art vandelay:
    Yeah, last year’s Heat team won 21 out of 22 at one point….when was the last time a Knicks team even sniffed that….I believe I recall a 15-game winning streak in 1993-94 that ended with a loss in Miami, coincidentally.

    YES AND THAT WAS IN A REGULAR SEASON, WITH REGULAR PRACTICES, WITH REGULAR REST BETWEEN GAMES, NUFF SAID!!!!!!

    YOU GUYS DON’T DESERVE TO BE KNICKS FANS. WE GOT HOSED TONITE; INCLUDING LIN GOING TO THE WHOLE GETTING MUGGED, AND FLAGRANT FOULS OUT THE BUTT WITHOUT THEM GETTING CALLED!!!!!!! SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE!!!!!!!! NOT TO MENTION AMARE NOT GETTING HIS FOULS AND MELO AND TYSON CHANDLER!!!!! DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY THEY ARE ALL GETTING TECHS AT A HIGH RATE THAT’S WHY!!!!!! CAUSE THEY ARE NOT GETTING THE CALLS THE OTHER TEAMS ARE GETTING, IN THE SAME GAME!!!!!!!!

  165. ruruland

    TheXman:
    And people bemoan Melo for having a bad shooting night, but that’s his GODDAMN ROLE.That’s why he gets paid 20 MILLION MOTHER FUCKING DOLLARS A YEAR is to make open jump shots.I mean effing christ, we all know he can do that.If you can’t fill your role on the team, then you’re hurting the team.Lin’s role isn’t supposed to be shooting 20 shots a game and go for 40 points, he’s there to facilitate to people like Melo.

    Maybe Melo just can’t score in TEAM ball offense, he can probably do it better ball stopping, posting, going 1-on-1.But lately, now that’s just resulted in a disaster, he gets stuck in the paint, tries to force, either turns it over and hope he gets bailed out by a call.He did well in the 4th QTR against the C’s as he found some nice layups, he made one miracle shot to get the lead.Otherwise he had other hero shots that didn’t go in.His hero ball is low percentage and doesn’t win games.

    His hero “ball” has never been this low percentage before. He can play within a team offense, I’m not sure if you’re forgetting the kinds of ways Melo scored before tonight with Lin.

    Whatever is going on is well beyond that, IMO.

  166. hoolahoop

    LMNYKFAN4LIFE: YES AND THAT WAS IN A REGULAR SEASON, WITH REGULAR PRACTICES, WITH REGULAR REST BETWEEN GAMES, NUFF SAID!!!!!!

    YOU GUYS DON’T DESERVE TO BE KNICKS FANS. WE GOT HOSED TONITE; INCLUDING LIN GOING TO THE WHOLE GETTING MUGGED, AND FLAGRANT FOULS OUT THE BUTT WITHOUT THEM GETTING CALLED!!!!!!! SHAME ON YOU PEOPLE!!!!!!!! NOT TO MENTION AMARE NOT GETTING HIS FOULS AND MELO AND TYSON CHANDLER!!!!! DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY THEY ARE ALL GETTING TECHS AT A HIGH RATE THAT’S WHY!!!!!! CAUSE THEY ARE NOT GETTING THE CALLS THE OTHER TEAMS ARE GETTING, IN THE SAME GAME!!!!!!!!

    NO MORE FUCKING EXCUSES!

  167. TheXman

    LMNYKFAN4LIFE: U GUYZ CRACK ME UP ON PAPER WE HAVE THE BEST TEAM IN THE LEAGUE EVEN WITH AMARES AND MELOS SUBPAR SEASON. we have jeremy lin rated as a top ten pg, shump a very underrated rookie of the bench, fields the best sg in the league when it comes to movement without the ball and rebounding, jr smith a man that rivals Jamal Crawford as a six man, Jared Jeffries a defensive stopper in the class of Ben Wallace when it comes to intangibles and improved offensive skill this year, baron Davis coming off the bench, Tyson chandler best defensive center in the league and pic and roll center, with the best offensive and defensive coaches in the league on our sideline and you think we need a better superstar.!!!!!!! no what we need is more practice time in a regular season with the same team and the same players to surpass the level of play that Miami has done this year. THANK YOU AND GOOD NIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!

    I never said we had the best team on paper. I’m just saying we don’t have elite true superstars on this team like D-Wade and Lebron. I’ve never seen Lebron or D-Wade go for 2-12, 6 points, have you? I mean we’ve seen a number of these stinkers by Melo this season. Elite stars can have bad games, but they still find a way to make a positive impact. If Melo doesn’t get his shot to fall, you pretty much put a fork in him.

    With Lebron and D-Wade, they will make their teammates better and play hard-nosed D to at least positively affect the outcome of the game. You won’t get anything from Amare or Melo outside of scoring.

  168. jon abbey

    people need to stop complaining about the lack of calls on Lin, he gets plenty of calls. his herky-jerky style means routine contact knocks him over, we’re not losing games because of the refs, not Boston and not tonight.

  169. nicos

    TheXman:
    Why do people say Lin played like crap, he just had a bad shooting night.He went to the line 8 times, only Lin on this team forces fouls and gets to the line.He had 2 TOs and 7 assists, probably could have had more assists if others could finish.

    He just didn’t have a great shooting night, he’s not going to light it up for 38 points every game.

    He was horrible on defense, especially early- he was jumping under screens that hadn’t even been set yet leading to wide open threes. The only way Kidd hurts you in the half-court is from three- if you need to go under a screen to stay in front of a 40 year old point guard, you can’t guard anyone. He couldn’t stay in front of Beaubois, though neither could Shumpert so that’s excusable. On offense, he looks very unsure of himself- it was easy when they were able to run the pnr with Chandler every time down the floor. Now teams have adjusted and the spacing has changed with Amar’e and Melo and he’s hasn’t figured out what to do yet. What few good looks Melo has gotten since coming back from injury have been more from weakside cuts with Fields delivering the pass than Lin. And it’s clear he prefers running the pnr with Chandler rather than Amar’e but given that Chandler is struggling to catch the ball, he might want to rethink that. Good point guards figure this stuff out and I think Lin will soon but he wasn’t good tonight.

  170. Brian Cronin

    Melo’s Nuggets teams were routinely among the best offenses in the league. So even if you wish to argue that that had to do with the other guys just as much as it did Melo, you can’t say he can’t play good team offense when his teams had, you know, good team offense.

  171. Brian Cronin

    nicos mentioned something that I’ve noticed, as well. Fields seemed to have finally developed a rapport with Melo before Melo got hurt. Then Fields certainly had a rapport with Lin while Melo was out. However, since the other two have been both playing together with Fields, he seems to have lost his rapport with both of them! It is so strange. It likely has to do with spacing, but it is still quite odd.

  172. Jake S.

    Howard Beck tweeting that Melo needed to be coaxed to talk to reporters after the game. What’s up with that? It’s disappointing that he’s not playing well, but dude seems like he’s been in a funk since the first week of the season. Didn’t he want to come here? Did he really have no idea that the city helped drive Stephon Marbury completely insane?

  173. Jake S.

    Brian Cronin:
    nicos mentioned something that I’ve noticed, as well. Fields seemed to have finally developed a rapport with Melo before Melo got hurt. Then Fields certainly had a rapport with Lin while Melo was out. However, since the other two have been both playing together with Fields, he seems to have lost his rapport with both of them! It is so strange. It likely has to do with spacing, but it is still quite odd.

    The Knicks rotation is professional sports’ most fragile ecosystem.

  174. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, while I certainly agree that the media has been unfair to him this season, did he seriously not realize that that was a strong possibility before he came here?

  175. Jake S.

    Finally grouchy thought of the night: I don’t remember Boston’s big three having such a difficult adjustment period. I know the Knicks didn’t have training camp, but is it so much to ask their two max guys to drag them to a record above .500? Damn it all.

  176. nicos

    I think tomorrow night could be a kind of bellwether game for Amar’e. Hopefully he can build on tonight’s game as he should be able to go around both Duncan and Blair if he’s anywhere near where he needs to be from an athletic standpoint. Still, if SA shoots well from outside it’ll probably be a lot like tonight with the Knicks hanging around but losing by double digits. If they don’t shoot well, they’re beatable, especially if we can figure out some way to have Shumpert guard both Manu and Parker.

  177. jon abbey

    Jake S.:
    Finally grouchy thought of the night: I don’t remember Boston’s big three having such a difficult adjustment period.

    they were a much better fit, Pierce had spent his whole career turning it on and off for stretches each game and Garnett had spent his whole career playing sick D for 4 quarters and good O for 3 quarters before disappearing on that end in the 4th, and Allen just shoots 3s all day long. also Garnett’s D helped Pierce and Allen both a ton on that end, and of course they had Rondo the whole time too. arguably four better players than anyone we have, especially with a hurting Chandler…

  178. Brian Cronin

    they were a much better fit, Pierce had spent his whole career turning it on and off for stretches each game and Garnett had spent his whole career playing sick D for 4 quarters and good O for 3 quarters before disappearing on that end in the 4th, and Allen just shoots 3s all day long. also Garnett’s D helped Pierce and Allen both a ton on that end, and of course they had Rondo the whole time too. arguably four better players than anyone we have, especially with a hurting Chandler…

    Yeah, the simplest answer that their players were just plain ol’ better. I mean, we talk about how much Pierce improved when he got Garnett and Allen, but Pierce was a great player already. He just got even better. Same with Garnett. And Allen, as we’ve seen with Novak, if you can shoot it that well from three on a consistent basis, there is room for you everywhere.

  179. thailandvc

    1) Melo was all around terrible not just his shots. Not paying attention. Passing to people’s feet.

    2) Not to defend Lin but people are too harsh on this defense. Some of the play he got “beat” on was in transition. I blame the shitty offense, jump shot oriented that leads to long rebound.

  180. hoolahoop

    nicos: He was horrible on defense, especially early- he was jumping under screens that hadn’t even been set yet leading to wide open threes.The only way Kidd hurts you in the half-court is from three- if you need to go under a screen to stay in front of a 40 year old point guard, you can’t guard anyone.He couldn’t stay in front of Beaubois, though neither could Shumpert so that’s excusable.On offense, he looks very unsure of himself- it was easy when they were able to run the pnr with Chandler every time down the floor.Now teams have adjusted and the spacing has changed with Amar’e and Melo and he’s hasn’t figured out what to do yet.What few good looks Melo has gotten sincecoming back from injury have been more from weakside cuts with Fields delivering the pass than Lin.And it’s clear he prefers running the pnr with Chandler rather than Amar’e but given that Chandler is struggling to catch the ball, he might want to rethink that.Good point guards figure this stuff out and I think Lin will soon but he wasn’t good tonight.

    Well observed.

  181. thyrdrail

    knicks entire team does not play defense, not just one person. d’antoni doesnt coach defense.

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