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Saturday, August 30, 2014

2012 Game Thread: Knicks @ Cavs

New York (7-10) visits Cleveland (6-10).
New York coming off a great game in Charlotte looks to keep things moving on the road in Cleveland.

Have at it!

161 comments on “2012 Game Thread: Knicks @ Cavs

  1. BigBlueAL

    Until Amar’e starts hitting that 15-20 open jumper consistently again he will continue to suck like tonight. All his shots cant be dunks and layups.

  2. Melo to the Gallos

    BigBlueAL: Until Amar’e starts hitting that 15-20 open jumper consistently again he will continue to suck like tonight. All his shots cant be dunks and layups.

    There is no rhythm to his shots. All flat-footed.

  3. Will the Thrill

    I really don’t think Amar’e is “sucking” tonight. Just can’t hit his jumper yet.

    BigBlueAL:
    Until Amar’e starts hitting that 15-20 open jumper consistently again he will continue to suck like tonight.All his shots cant be dunks and layups.

  4. Michael Cline

    Ugly ugly ball being played out there.
    The only thing more ugly than NY’s point guard platoon might be Cleveland’s offense. Anderson Varejao might be their best player.

    But our defense certainly helps the cause. When we have Shump out front, and Jeffries and Tyson in the middle, we are a top 5 NBA unit. No joke.

  5. Owen

    Wizards are making our win last night look really good, they are blowing the Bobcats out by 20 in the first half.

    Wait….

    It’s really frustrating not to be able to watch the games. The Dolan’s and Time Warner are turning me into that guy in his mother’s basement watching the game on a spreadsheet….

  6. BigBlueAL

    With all the charges called that half I will say at least when Jeffries draws them they are obvious as hell. A couple of charges called on the Knicks were iffy to say the least. I love it when Van Gundy rants about everything being called a charge now lol

  7. Sugarjesus

    Word is Gallinari is going to pay Melo 10percent as his agent. The Nuggets and Danilo Gallinari have reached an agreement on a four-year, $42 million contract extension. Best thing to ever happen to Gallo was Melo. He owes Melo money!

  8. Juany8

    Wow the team is -14.7 points worse with Anthony on the bench. I knew the team was embarrassing without him, but damn… Our team has a +5.5 efficiency differential per 100 possesions with Carmelo on the floor. That’s not bad

  9. Will the Thrill

    The number of charges called in todays game is really too much. Nearly every time a defender falls down dramatically backwards it is called a charging foul, unless they are inside the semi-circle. The refs need to focus more on the movement of the defenders because now that it is being called so frequently in games, everyone and their mothers run under the basket and fall over backwards.

    BigBlueAL:
    With all the charges called that half I will say at least when Jeffries draws them they are obvious as hell.A couple of charges called on the Knicks were iffy to say the least.I love it when Van Gundy rants about everything being called a charge now lol

  10. Nick C.

    BigBlueAL:
    With all the charges called that half I will say at least when Jeffries draws them they are obvious as hell.A couple of charges called on the Knicks were iffy to say the least.I love it when Van Gundy rants about everything being called a charge now lol

    at least I’m not the only person who thought there were a ton of charges called. It seemed like every other possession for a while. How many of the Knocks turnovers were charges? Not that a point guard wouldn’t help mind you.

  11. Melo to the Gallos

    Sugarjesus: Word is Gallinari is going to pay Melo 10percent as his agent. The Nuggets and Danilo Gallinari have reached an agreement on a four-year, $42 million contract extension. Best thing to ever happen to Gallo was Melo. He owes Melo money!

    Haha

  12. d-mar

    This really seems like a winnable game to me, the Cavs have no interior scorers and if we just stay at home on their 3 point shooters, it should be difficult for them to score in the 2nd half. Just a matter of us making shots on the other end.

  13. Sugarjesus

    JK47: Amar’e is playing like a steaming pile of crap in this game.

    So is Shump. Why doesn’t Coach D coach this kid? Tell him when to shoot, why to shoot, where to shoot?

  14. hoolahoop

    No link working for me to watch. You guys are my eyes to the game.
    Please, every time melo forces one up against a double team and misses, say “great pass!”

  15. latke

    I usually don’t get irritated by broadcast guys, but the Cavs guys’ deep affection for clichés is making me a bit irritated. That and the fact that we continue with the unforced turnovers.

  16. Nick C.

    The entire team has looked lifeless so far this half. Standing on offense and watching Sideshow Bob grab offensive rebounds.

  17. Kikuchiyo

    Burgundy, sickly blue, and mustard yellow? The only thing worse than these unis would be a pink sash over the top.

  18. JK47

    If I wasn’t a fan of this team I would still tune in just to see how bad one man (Toney Douglas) can play basketball. It’s really remarkable.

  19. BigBlueAL

    If Knicks lose this game they will end the week at 7-13 most likely. They have to win this freaking game.

  20. cgreene

    I agree that MDA’s read and react style is very hard on young players especially a guy like Shump who is playing out of position. You can just feel Shump wondering what to do and MDA telling him “you use the screen and then you have these 4 options and blah blah blah” when all the kid needs is a little more structure. He seems like a high IQ player.

  21. d-mar

    Getting killed by the 3 pt. shot just like against the Magic. Varejao never ever shoots the ball; how are guys so wide open when we’re not doubling anybody?

  22. Doug

    Seriously how terrible is TD at the point

    Most of our possessions end with him handing the ball off to Chandler at the top of the key or Melo 20 feet out.

  23. Nick C.

    That shot chart for Amare was painful to see. About half a dozen makes under the basket and 1-7 or 8 elsewhere.

  24. JK47

    TD shouldn’t be in any game unless it’s garbage time. The guy has a negative win share score and we’re almost a third of the way through the season.

    He doesn’t deserve the playing time. He’s playing at below replacement level. Give his minutes to Lin already.

  25. Z

    Will the Thrill:
    The number of charges called in todays game is really too much…

    Any game the big Brazilian plays in has too many charges called. That guy would flop if Mugsy Bogues touched him…

  26. cgreene

    JK47:
    Melo with the contested 20-footer early in the clock.Good times.

    Let me qualify this statement. I have been somewhat of a dove when it comes to Melo. I have no idea why he sucks right now. Maybe it’s injuries. Maybe it’s mental. I don’t really care. He stinks. BUT… please observe the game properly. Melo gave his man (a much smaller defender) a jab step fake that the defender totally bit on leaving Melo a solid 3 feet of wide open space between him and the defense and he launched a set shot in rhythm off the fake. If you are going to criticize please observe the game properly.

  27. cgreene

    Douglas simply has to be benched. How can you keep putting this guy in the game? Jeremy Lin cannot be worse.

  28. Doug

    Nick C.:
    That shot chart for Amare was painful to see. About half a dozen makes under the basket and 1-7 or 8 elsewhere.

    It’s very ugly but it probably has something to do with TD only getting him the ball in motion once in a blue moon.

  29. Melo to the Gallos

    Melo’s ball-hogging in the third quarter clearly has this team in shambles in the 4th.

  30. JK47

    @89

    Okay, fair enough… I’m watching on a crappy internet feed and switching back and forth a lot because the game and team is unwatchable. So my bad on that one.

  31. cgreene

    JK47:
    @89

    Okay, fair enough… I’m watching on a crappy internet feed and switching back and forth a lot because the game and team is unwatchable.So my bad on that one.

    I’m watching internet feed too. I couldn’t take this in HD. Appreciate the acknowledgement. (:

  32. Nick C.

    Doug: It’s very ugly but it probably has something to do with TD only getting him the ball in motion once in a blue moon.

    I think his first few shots after they put it up were proof of that.

  33. BigBlueAL

    Its gonna be real ugly this weekend. If the Knicks lose either game by less than 20 points it will be a miracle.

  34. JK47

    Good to see Toney Douglas out there here at the end of the game. That means I don’t have to bother watching.

  35. d-mar

    JK47:
    Good to see Toney Douglas out there here at the end of the game.That means I don’t have to bother watching.

    Pick your poison between 2 “point guards” who can’t shoot worth crap and a 3rd who’s 48 years old.

  36. Nick C.

    d-mar: Pick your poison between 2 “point guards” who can’t shoot worth crap and a 3rd who’s 48 years old.

    man if Baron Davis can’t knit this mess together this will be a painful season.

  37. BigBlueAL

    Knicks lost this game with 3 1/2 minutes left in the 1st half. They went up 40-31 only to have to score the final 4 points of the half just to be tied at half-time.

  38. d-mar

    Well, c’mon we were on the 2nd night of a back to back….oh, wait, the Cavs played in Miami last night.

  39. Spree8nyk8

    This is super petty, and I’m not saying it makes a difference in this game, but I saw the exact same shit last year against cleveland and said it last year here. How come the clock keeps running after made baskets? 3 times that I’ve noticed on seperate occasions the clock ticks off like 5 or 6 seconds while the ball is not in play. I definitely noticed it at the 8:30ish mark and again after the Varejo slam. And while it doesn’t effect this game, if the Knicks would have fought back into this game they would have been up against a clock that isn’t being kept right.

    Two years in a row against the same team.

  40. Nick C.

    BigBlueAL:
    Knicks lost this game with 3 1/2 minutes left in the 1st half.They went up 40-31 only to have to score the final 4 points of the half just to be tied at half-time.

    I think you called it or someone did back when it happened.

  41. Juany8

    How many d-leaguers can be worse than TD? The man is the worst basketball player in he league at this point, and somehow Mike Bibby is our only other option. I mean if Toney Douglas could simply run down the floor without puking all over the floor it would be a massive upgrade a this point.

  42. ROUGH

    One so called “good” game against a really bad team such as Charlotte says nothing. AT THIS POINT, Knicks are competing with Detroit, Washington, and Charlotte for the WORST team title in the NBA. This is how bad they have been playing.

  43. BigBlueAL

    At least the Knicks picked up TD’s option today guaranteeing another year of TD on the Knicks.

  44. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    So hard… to not troll… idiots who think… this team will be… better with… 32-year-old… Baron “51 career TS%” Davis… trying so hard… must exit interwebs…

  45. Juany8

    So hard… to not insult… idiot who thinks Davis isn’t an upgrade… over Shumpert and Douglas at PG….

    Now if anyone is expecting 2007 Davis to come back then they are in for a disappointment…

  46. d-mar

    Nets ahead of Philly in OT, if they win they’re only 1 1/2 games behind our beloved Knicks. Yes, it’s that bad.

  47. Z

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    So hard… to not troll… idiots who think… this team will be… better with… 32-year-old… Baron “51 career TS%” Davis… trying so hard… must exit interwebs…

    If you weren’t right all the time I’d argue this.

    But I’m definitely one of the idiots. He can’t make them worse, can he? CAN HE???

  48. nicos

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    So hard… to not troll… idiots who think… this team will be… better with… 32-year-old… Baron “51 career TS%” Davis… trying so hard… must exit interwebs…

    The Knicks’ point guards shot 6 of 21 tonight with 5 assists and 6 turnovers. Neither of those guys has a TS% close to 51 at this point and neither is an effective playmaker- How could Davis not help them??

  49. ess-dog

    nicos: The Knicks’ point guards shot 6 of 21 tonight with 5 assists and 6 turnovers.Neither of those guys has a TS% close to 51 at this point and neither is an effective playmaker- How could Davis not help them??

    A couple of months ago, he didn’t think he’d ever play again. That’s a little unsettling.

  50. bobneptune

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    So hard… to not troll… idiots who think… this team will be… better with… 32-year-old… Baron “51 career TS%” Davis… trying so hard… must exit interwebs…

    speaking of trolling :-)

    you trolled me last night over the wonderfully efficiency of chandler’s 9 for 10 . and i responded he’d regress back to who he actually is tonight. i realize he scored 11 versus the 8 that i predicted, but his stat line tonight shows the inherent weakness of basing one’s entire opinion on stats.

    although he played “efficiently” tonight from a statistical perspective scoring 11 points on 6 shots, grabbing 9 boards (and even blocked a single shot in the 46th minute), he totally sucked eggs and was completely pwned by vareajo tonight, not exactly looking like the 7th most valuable player in the league by your exalted stats.

    against a team with no big man, our 7’1″ offensive stat juggernaut couldn’t do diddly offensively. of course, that is because as everyone knows other than statisticians…. he has no offensive game of any sort outside of 2 feet.

    as a matter of fact watching him get pwned on the defensive end by offensive non entities at crunch time in the 4th quarter by varejao and alonzo gee and vareajo again, i imagine chandler was wandering the locker room asking where he should go to get his jock strap back after the game?

  51. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    HAHAHAHA

    BOB NEPTUNE

    YET AGAIN

    YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT

    HAHAHA YOUR EYE TEST PROVES NOTHING

    A FEW BAD PLAYS AGAINST AN “INFERIOR” PLAYER AND HE’S “REGRESSED”

    YOU ARE TRULY DELUDED, MY FRIEND

    AND I WILL NOT STOP POSTING IN THIS MANNER UNTIL YOU REALIZE HOW VALUABLE 11 POINTS WITH ONLY 6 REGISTERED FIELD GOAL ATTEMPTS IS

    YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

  52. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Spree8nyk8: Please go buy a gun…don’t forget bullets.

    No, actually, Baron Davis would probably improve the team right now. Toney Douglas is terrible and Bibby isn’t much better. But if improving to mediocrity is the goal of this team, we have about as much chance of seeing the Knicks make the 2nd round of the playoffs than we do seeing Spree anything but banned after this violent, uncalled for, and insensitive comment.

    Seriously, if a poster tells me to shoot myself and doesn’t get banned, there should be no rules whatsoever about posting.

  53. Owen

    Man, this FrontRow Sports is pretty awesome….

    Ricky Rubio, also awesome. Can’t hit the broad side of a barn, but awesome….

    Scary that’s it’s better to be Wolves fan than a Knicks fan. How does that work.

  54. daJudge

    Really tough game to watch. Believe me, I get it too. But really, can we at least go 10 more games before this site becomes a veritable Animal Farm? Sometimes reading this stuff is worse than watching the freaking game. I know, don’t tell me, I don’t have to read it.

  55. Spree8nyk8

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: No, actually, Baron Davis would probably improve the team right now. Toney Douglas is terrible and Bibby isn’t much better. But if improving to mediocrity is the goal of this team, we have about as much chance of seeing the Knicks make the 2nd round of the playoffs than we do seeing Spree anything but banned after this violent, uncalled for, and insensitive comment.

    Seriously, if a poster tells me to shoot myself and doesn’t get banned, there should be no rules whatsoever about posting.

    Never said anything about shooting yourself.

  56. hoolahoop

    Juany8:
    So hard… to not insult… idiot who thinks Davis isn’t an upgrade… over Shumpert and Douglas at PG….

    Do you mean, a very very rusty BD who hasn’t played in three months with a bad back that’s a shoot first PG ?????? Do you mean that Davis?

  57. hoolahoop

    daJudge:
    Really tough game to watch. Believe me, I get it too.But really, can we at leastgo 10 more games before this site becomes a veritable Animal Farm?Sometimes reading this stuff is worse than watching the freakinggame. I know, don’t tell me, I don’t have to read it.

    I kinda think the in-fighting is entertaining.
    anyone who takes

  58. hoolahoop

    daJudge:
    Really tough game to watch. Believe me, I get it too.But really, can we at leastgo 10 more games before this site becomes a veritable Animal Farm?Sometimes reading this stuff is worse than watching the freakinggame. I know, don’t tell me, I don’t have to read it.

    I kinda think the in-fighting is entertaining.
    Anyone who takes the knicks, or any team, too seriously deserves abuse until they get a grip on reality. It’s friggin basketball. . . and we’re not even the ones playing.

  59. d-mar

    Really guys. this petty sniping is getting ridiculous. I consider this Knicks blog to be a cut above all the others, and even though I don’t agree with a lot that is said, I try to respect others opinions (and most posters on this blog do as well) .

    The all caps responses and nyah nyah nyah’s are just childish and unnecessary. And hoolahoop, I personally don’t find the infighting entertaining at all.

  60. Z-man

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: No, actually, Baron Davis would probably improve the team right now. Toney Douglas is terrible and Bibby isn’t much better. But if improving to mediocrity is the goal of this team, we have about as much chance of seeing the Knicks make the 2nd round of the playoffs than we do seeing Spree anything but banned after this violent, uncalled for, and insensitive comment.Seriously, if a poster tells me to shoot myself and doesn’t get banned, there should be no rules whatsoever about posting.

    Spree was over the top, but when you provoke people by calling them “idiots” your outrage at the reaction rings pretty hollow.

  61. Jim Cavan (@JPCavan)

    Good God, I can’t even see straight right now. 23 turnovers? Are you $#%@^&! kidding me?

    We needed both of these first two games, with Miami and Houston on the back end. Now we’re realistically looking at coming out of this road trip 7-13. Fair or unfair, I just don’t see how D’Antoni survives that.

    Of course, it wouldn’t surprised me in the least if we pulled off the upset against Miami — or even if we escaped with both wins. But this team just isn’t built well for a condensed season, and arguably any season.

    The score might not say so, but we got our asses kicked tonight.

  62. daJudge

    I certainly get your perspective hoolahoop and I really do not disagree. I don’t know you at all, but some of us deal with quite a bit of harsh reality on a daily basis. I know I do. Thank you for the advice, but respectfully, I don’t need to get a further grip on reality. I know that I watch and play basketball as a kind of escape. In that regard, I don’t find the in-fighting entertaining, but that’s just me. If you do, that’s cool. I agree strongly that everyone has the right to say what they want. Maybe I’m in the minority, but I just find some of the posts self-indulgent annoying BS.

  63. Jim Cavan (@JPCavan)

    daJudge: I certainly get your perspective hoolahoop and I really do not disagree. I don’t know you at all, but some of us deal with quite a bit of harsh reality on a daily basis. I know I do. Thank you for the advice, but respectfully, I don’t need to get a further grip on reality. I know that I watch and play basketball as a kind of escape. In that regard, I don’t find the in-fighting entertaining, but that’s just me. If you do, that’s cool. I agree strongly that everyone has the right to say what they want. Maybe I’m in the minority, but I just find some of the posts self-indulgent annoying BS.

    We need to come up with some kind of KnickerBlogger Humanitarian Award for this post.

  64. hoolahoop

    daJudge:
    I certainly get your perspective hoolahoop and I really do not disagree.I don’t know you at all, but some of us deal with quite a bit of harsh reality on a daily basis.I know I do.Thank you for the advice, but respectfully, I don’t need to get a further grip on reality. I know that I watch and play basketball as a kind of escape. In that regard, I don’t find the in-fighting entertaining, but that’s just me.If you do, that’s cool.I agree strongly that everyone has the right to say what they want.Maybe I’m in the minority, but I just find some of the posts self-indulgent annoying BS.

    It really wasn’t directed at you, and it certainly wasn’t intended maliciously at anyone. All said in humour,,,but, NO ONE should take this stuff too seriously for their own mental well being.
    No hard feelings.

  65. daJudge

    hoolahoop, I’m a Met fan too, so tread softly. No hard feelings whatsoever. Time to read Elmore Leonard—talk about escape!

  66. JK47

    “AND I WILL NOT STOP POSTING IN THIS MANNER UNTIL YOU REALIZE HOW VALUABLE 11 POINTS WITH ONLY 6 REGISTERED FIELD GOAL ATTEMPTS IS”

    Really? Is it really all that valuable? We couldn’t buy a goddamn basket at the end of this game. Why not give the ball to our awesomely efficient center? BECAUSE HE CAN’T SCORE. It’s great that he can throw down an occasional slam, get a tip-in every now and then and make some free throws, but if there’s a defender anywhere in his vicinity he’s not scoring.

    Chandler is very valuable because of his defense and rebounding, and isn’t a complete zero on offense because at least he doesn’t try to force shots he can’t make. But let’s not act like “11 POINTS WITH ONLY 6 REGISTERED FIELD GOAL ATTEMPTS” is awesomely valuable.

  67. bobneptune

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    HAHAHAHA

    BOB NEPTUNE

    YET AGAIN

    YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT

    HAHAHA YOUR EYE TEST PROVES NOTHING

    A FEW BAD PLAYS AGAINST AN “INFERIOR” PLAYER AND HE’S “REGRESSED”

    YOU ARE TRULY DELUDED, MY FRIEND

    AND I WILL NOT STOP POSTING IN THIS MANNER UNTIL YOU REALIZE HOW VALUABLE 11 POINTS WITH ONLY 6 REGISTERED FIELD GOAL ATTEMPTS IS

    YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT

    honorable cock,

    fwiw…..2 points:

    caps are lame and adds nothing to anything, and

    plz gain some reading comprehension or intellectual honesty, whichever is applicable.

    i didn’t say nor imply “a few bad plays and he regressed”, i said, “he’d regress back to who he actually is tonight” meaning he’d go back to his career averages. his 20 point outburst last night was an aberration, mostly fueled by plays like shumpert bricking 2 layups and a dunk and him getting chippy put-backs on such shots.

    tonight, when the offense was struggling to get points, chandler was totally useless, because he has no game on the offensive end , save 2 footers that he cannot ever generate himself.

    but to stat geeks, if you never watched a game, your think he was michael bleepin jordan.

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