2012-2013 Game Thread: Knicks v. Heat
November 2nd, 2012 by Thomas B. | Comments | Permalink |
Let’s get this season started. Feel free to do whatever you’d like with the first post. I promise I won’t complain. GO NY GO NY GO!!
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Lets go NYK!!! Time to start the season off properly
Let’s do this thing
Shump’s flat top is so ridiculous
Knicks Win! Book it. My bookie is still under water.
Bad call!! That’s no charge.
Own goal for Kidd
Say what you will about Ray Felton, he gets the ball past the Heat pressure far better than Lin could.
Kidd can still pass, apparently. Nice ballmovement so far. Felton looks good
Man this looks good so far. Felton looks really quick- is going to be a big problem for someone like Ray Allen to defend. And GREAT spacing on offense so far.
It all looks good when the shots go down.
Halfway through the first and no Carmelo Anthony isolation plays. Beautiful.
Knicks offense looks better than it was at any point last season. Either Kidd was a great pickup or continuity does matter. Even THCJ might start paying lip service to things like chemistry if the Nuggets keep playing like the worst team in the league lol
Also, Melo just shut down Wade. Anyone who says Melo is a straight up bad defender this season no longer has credibility. Still hoping he’ll do it every game.
These sets are stupid
They would still say it, perception is reality.
Any offensive set which ends in a Felton iso is so stupid.
Whoa!
GTFOOH
Haha Melo
great start. No settling for midrange jumpshots. Physical on both ends of the floor. A little help from the hot outside shooting and Miami missing a few open threes.
This may be the high point of the season, but it’s been fun to watch.
That’s a good start
Love what I see, but as we all know, first quarters mean almost nothing in an NBA game. Good to be on the plus side though.
Say what you want about Melo but when he’s shooting like this its fun to watch!
Apparently Melo thinks he’s in Nigeria.
lol melo
Eddy Curry waived. Should New York…?
Dont. Just Don’t.
JR and his long step-back twos.
There it.is the first JR patented step back jumper. Hey at least it came with 5 on the clock.
Gotta say, this game shows why you pick up veterans. The ball movement is worlds better than it was at any point last season, and Thomas and Kidd are playing a big part in that. Know who else is? JR and Melo, who seem to be paying attention to guys like Kidd more than they ever would have to Lin. Felton also looks pretty nice so far, he won’t be a bad 4th option.
In the words of the once-great Amare……THE KNICKS ARE BACK! On TV, anyway.
Play obviously broke down. The selfish thing to do at that point would be passing it off to let someone else jack up a harder shot. You can’t run a pick and roll with 5 seconds on the clock…
I think Jeff Van Gundy may have just referred to JR Smith as a smart player!?!
I liked him better when he stepped into the shot a drew fouls.
I think woodsons training camp and our pg situation makes our offense better. The 3p% is fools gold but the ball movement is wonderful
&1
Pretty much every time Anthony drives to the rim he either gets a basket or someone gets the offensive rebound. It’s awesome to watch, he’s matching up perfectly against Lebron. Gotta say I almost wouldn’t mind if Amar’e took a while to come back, why deal with the crappy defense, rebounding, and passing? Does this game not prove that a team that moves the ball well and does the little things right can match right up with Miami (if they have a DPOY in the middle to stabilize the defense lol)
Love that the Celts are getting their ass kicked at home by the Bucks
I’d like to see them pick up the pressure in the last 2 min of the half and keep Miami from regaining their balance.
And Melo grinds it all to a halt… Kidd needs to come back in
Take note of the change in ball movement when Kidd is on the bench.
Now bad Melo…
Lebron and Wade are just throwing the ball up at the basket and making shots. Heat offense is doing terrible, they’ve been completely shut down by the Knicks
Yes good news!
Oh oh, Melo when asked why the offense is clicking saids, “we got veterans, we got guys, who know how to play basketball” (shots fired to u know who)
At this rate Melo will attempt 38 shots, which is not a recipe for success. I do like how he’s getting after it on D though.
19 shots for Melo in the first half. He is playing hard on both ends, but someone else has to take some offense for us to win. Hopefully good J.R. will show up soon and felton can get some easy dump offs to Chandler. He us doing a good job so far of penetrating
They stopped passing and let them back in, but overall a great first half. I hope Felton doesn’t get a free pass to chuck. Between Kidd and Prig they can keep getting better shots if Felton can’t help himself.
No, I don’t? Just sounds like a complement to the team.
What do you guys think about the pace?
Sidenote from the Rockets game: Toney Douglas is still awful at basketball. That is all
Wilbon called the game “Boston Miami.” Should we be insulted or proud?
I’m not sure if Felton looks exceptionally fast out there or I’m just too used to seeing Douglas and Bibby dribble it up the floor.
Also relevant: Atlanta is nowhere near as good as the Knicks lol, they can’t defend shit, Josh Smith and Al Horford can’t be EVERYWHERE
Am I the only one having that feeling that the MIA duck fastbreak offense will be unleashed 2nd half
Half Times are shorter too. You go David Stern.
Now too much ball movement
Melo not getting the calls, getting frustrated
Half time in half the time. Maybe we should call it “quarter time”?
Lin couldn’t dribble up against Miami either. I gotta say, I am very bummed that we didn’t keep Dragic instead of going for Lin. Lin has a higher upside, but Dragic is just better right now. Atlanta is simply taking the ball out of Harden’s hands and it’s killing the offense.
VETERAN LEADERSHIP AND SMARTS!!! :)
Why you would ever leave Kidd open behind the arc is beyond me. He take 15 yrs to get the shot off, but it has become deadly these past few seasons.
Love Brewer’s role on this team!
Holy crap. It’s basketball season. So not ready yet.
I was dotting the i’s on a paper and just turned it on for the start of the 3rd quarter.
Niiiice. I really think I’m gonna love having JKidd on this team.
:)
Dr. JR and Mr. Hyde.
Looks like we got Hyde tonight.
I don’t know why JR doesn’t drive more when things aren’t falling. It’s like he forgets how good he is at slashing.
Did anybody else catch KT’s 1st mean screen?
+1 on J Kidd. The guy just knows how to play basketball – he makes smart decisions and is a pest on D. Great pickup.
Cant watch, working a late game…is this lead as comfortable as it seems?
I love this game.
It’s the Heat, so the lead will never be comfortable. But for now, the Knicks seem to have things working well. Still plenty of ball to be played.
This is freaking incredible.
So it’s fair to say that 52 wins is very realistic for this team. The veteran pickups were freaking brilliant!
Normally I’d be skeptical about our ability down the road to win games with this insane 3 point shooting, but these are good open looks by good shooters as the result of penetration and great ball movement.
Glen Grunwald has some really bad hair.
Come on Glen.
My buddy (Laker fan) says even if you took away some of those threes the Knicks are scoring so well they’d still have scored on some of those possessions.
The big question offensively is, other than ‘Melo can anyone post if you need it?
I love Jason Kidd on this team. Brings so much to the table…
I was skeptical in the off season but I have to admit I’m loving this team.
Me too…but only for this game. :)
How long before the “bench Amare” press starts up?
The passing for the most part tonight by the Knicks has been phenomenal. They are shooting lights out but the majority of them have been wide open looks off great ball movement.
It looks like that 18-6 team from last year is for real. This is going to be a beautiful season.
Good God JR Smith is dumb.
Refs are really trying to keep this close. Lots of ticky tack stuff.
Game starting to feel like 70′s and 90′s. Too many fouls and much physicality. Yes.
Even playing 8 on 5, the Knicks just blew out the defending champs. Couldn’t ask for a better start to the season.
LeBron is beat up. There’s our Knicks.
JR Smith in the corner throwing his hands up as soon as Novak touches the ball. Novak is that good!
Yes that team was real… and this team is a lot better. Try to get your mind around that possibility for a second
I would say this is a satisfactory start to the season
The Heat has never really been in this game.
Our guards look really good. Novak’s release is quicker.
Love Prigioni’s game.
Something is wrong. This game was too easy
Cigar is the only role I’m eager to see Sheed play.
James Harden is playing out of his mind…and body…possibly even his soul.
Im still sticking with 48 and 3rd seed. Remember AmareS as Magic Johnson said is not back haha Amar’es
I don’t know what kind of line he has but I’ve liked Brewer. Kidd, of course, is great. He made the Nets relevant and rootable ffs.
Odd to see ‘Sheed as the human victory cigar.
He didn’t look too thrilled to play that role, or am I reading into that face too much?
You have to wonder how long he will be satisfied with playing 5-8 minutes a night, especially considering this is with Amare out even.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a shooter like Novak. Literally, the team celebrates before that shot has left his finger tips.
Van Gundy is right Rasheed Wallace is one of the rarest commodities in the NBA. Would be the perfect Centre next to Amar’e
No arguing to be had here tomorrow. This is as good as it gets. And sure my boy Lin had 21/10/7 tonight but I think Ray Felton played great tonight. 14/3/9 with only 3 TOs against this team is a great performance.
Man Harden with 45 on 19 shots. Yowza.
Love 2 clips: Chandler coaching D like crazy from the bench and Woodson asking Sheed if he wants to play in garbage time. Nice.
Oh please Felton would have smoked ATL too, lets see him do it against the Heat.
She’d hits a 3!
There are few things more satisfying than blowing out Miami. Amazing win!
I know lol. The guys over at the Wages of Wins site have the Knicks being the #1 team in the Eastern Conference, and their numbers don’t account for Carmelo having a great season by their standards (they think he’ll have a WS/48 of .190, though). I can’t believe that we can actually have New York basketball in May.
That was impressive
Thoughts on the game:
Felton, Kidd, and Prignoini and light years better than our PG rotation last year, even when Lin was playing.
Brewer is going to do a fine job of filling in for Shumpert
Novak improved on offense and defense.
JR and Melo are playing very hard and passing often, but they are the only scorers on this team and need to make better decisions early in the clock. A long two late in the clock from them is fine, and this is Miami’s defense we’re talking about.
Our defense is a lot better than Boston’s this year. Everyone seems to ignore that when the Knicks go “small” they have Tyson Chandler gobbling up rebounds. Is Dirk really more of a PF than Melo? The Knicks are one of two teams with the speed to keep up with the Heat and the size to outrebound them (Bulls are the other, and I like Melo to score against Lebron more than Rose)
Regardless of what goes on from here, we can all be happy when we think back to this night. God it feels good to beat the tar out of the Heat. I love how physical this win was! They will remember this the next time we play and come with more energy, but we’ll be ready! We can only hope Rasheed knocks someone out! lol
Ok im going to church. still can’t believe the knicks PASSING? will be back for the write up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loF_zd6Ij0k
basically knicks killed the heat in the 1st 3rd and 4th good job fellas
I still dunno how many wins this Knicks team will get in the regular season due to their age and potential injuries but they sure look like they will be one helluva tough out come playoff time.
Very very true, regular season record ‘somewhat’ irrelevant as long as all 15 bodies are healthy in May. Very impressive and composed performance.
Lol Atlanta and Brooklyn are considered better teams than the Knicks. That is exceptionally funny after watching the Hawks play “defense” tonight
Please Knicks don’t destroy all this good feeling with a clunker against Philly Sunday (although it would be typical)
I will be interested to see how thisteam measures statistically over the course of the season, advanced rather than the glaringly obvious. similarly, Woodsons rotations and rest days will be interesting also. Much to look forward to:)
I don’t take early season hoops too seriously, but that was nice to see. totally happy to have Melo jacking up shots as much as he wants when he’s playing alongside Felton/Kidd/Brewer/Chandler, I still think the model for this team is the Iverson Sixers at their peak, hopefully with more offensive weapons but the same smothering D.
Miami didn’t look too interested, though, let’s be honest. Wade said beforehand they shouldn’t be playing, and they mostly looked like that. we’ll take it, though!
Is there any chance we can trade for Jordan Hill? I would love to have him back in New York.
Heat didn’t really show up tonight but ill enjoy the win, when shump comes back and if amare comes off the bench and jr plays a little smarter holy fucking shit we in serious contention…loved the passing, sheed hitting the three, trying to post up, Melo hacking Lebron, Novak pumped up, Chandler smash! Finally after all the reading of blogs and nba2k13 I’m stoked we got to watch an actual game…shump shump motherfuckers!
Exactly.
Just finished the game on DVR…awesome win…but definitely thought this a few times myself. He did play hard…..not sure I can say “both teams played hard”
You think the gift win to NY because of Hurricane Sandy?
Just to chime in—based on my recent posts, whatever I think or say, seriously consider the opposite. Wow, great game by our boys. I told my wife that I thought the game was either fixed or I was in a another strange universe. Either way, an unexpected good good night. I loved seeing the team boxing out, playing tough defense and executing. Is it possible that the Heat are becoming arrogant and complacent? That would be so cool I’m already getting cold.
I wouldn’t go quite that far, but I do think it was a factor in both directions. I was going to make a bad joke about welcoming future hurricanes if it meant more Ws against Miami, but even I am not that tasteless. :)
Woodson seems like he’s doing a great job. He really settled Melo and JR down when they took bad shots. He’s been preaching ball movement and it shows. Speaking of ball movement, I’m pinching myself that JKidd is on the team. Everyone says we’re old but the only old guy who played major minutes was Kidd and he only played 23.
Great defense. Heat only scored 84!
heh, come on, it’s 6-7 months until games that really matter for them, and also they methodically dismantled Boston who has been much more of a legitimate threat to them in the past.
this one had a bit of a tinge of feeling bad for your little brother because he’d been through a tough time and you know he’d never beat you when it mattered. again, though, I don’t really care, I’ll take the W thankfully.
Yeah, I agree completely. You can toss out stuff like “fluky” or “inspired by the tragedy,” but none of it matters when the win is as nice as this one was. What an awesome win. You know what win it reminded me of? That game in D’Antoni’s first year against Golden State when the Knicks scored 150 gajillion points. Only this time, it was against the defending champs on opening night after a freaking hurricane! What an incredible start to the season.
Did we really shoot 35% on 2 point shots and still blew out the Heat? WOW. Hope those 3s aren’t fool’s gold.
it will take a few months, when the Knicks are (knock-on-wood injuries) first in the Eastern Conference and pacing for around 60 wins, for many folks to credit them for a win tonight (as opposed to a Miami concession).
But very simple: Very good defense, low turnovers, play hard.
There’s enough talent offensively, enough diversity, to get it done. There will certainly be better nights on that end.
104 points against a top 3 defense you take every single time.
This is going to be fun.
The Knicks would have won shooting 33% from 3 tonight without getting to the line, either.
That is the power of low tunovers.
AGain folks, 11th last year in shooting efficiency despite the pg position shooting a collective .471TS, only better than the Bobcats and Wizards.
But far moe importantly,every single Knicks acquisition has a lower career % rate then the player he’s replacing.
turnovers were far and away the biggest weakness on last year’s team.
You don’t even have to improve shooting efficiency for this team togo into mid-50s win wins relative to last year’s roster.
The jerk-offs on ESPN’s halftime show are awkwardly pretending to laugh at each other’s lame jokes about the Knicks/Heat:
“Wow I wish I was out partying in NY with the Heat last night.”
“If you look closely you can see the fumes coming off Miami’s uniforms from that club they were at all night (whatever that means).”
Hopefully these Knicks turn out to be one of those New York teams that feeds off doubters.
Every new player has a lower career turnover rate than the player he’s replacing.
If these morons were in NYC, they’d realize that most of the clubs are not hopping and esp not on Thursday post-storm
Not quite he Piazza 9-11 homerun game, but a tremendous feel good game nonetheless.
When healthy we’ll hang with anyone this year.
Novak actually got shots off against the Heat. Reason? We have real point guards now.
Rasheed played 3 minutes but you can tell the dude knows how to play and will help us.
Damn the Clippers look good.
This. I know the disrespect card is cliche, but it’s also true.
Incredibly similar to ’08 Denver team and of course a lot of teams over the years.
It’s a perfect situation.
It’s only one game and all, but shitty teams don’t blow the best team in the NBA out like that.
Thank you
In other NBA news, Chris Paul has 15 assists and one turnover. That’s pretty ridiculous. And anyone who said that Oklahoma did okay in the Harden deal is going to look really stupid at the end of the season unless he gets hurt.
JR had some knucklehead shots, but did have 6 assists against one turnover. If we pass the balls hat way and can limit turnovers, our defense is going to keep us in a lot of games.
Love how excited the team gets when Novak hits a three.
MIA never gave up 19 3s in a game before, wow.
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8585630/carmelo-anthony-wins-november-game-fail-may
Ian O’connor in mid season hit piece mode…gotta love nyc basketball
If the playoffs started today, the Knicks would have the 2 seed. ;-)
I think the only regular season win that could be sweeter than blowing out Miami (even if they weren’t completely interested) would be going into Boston and destroying the Celtics by 45.
Apologies for the lack of a recap y’all. Having some issues with the recap generator / HTML / general lack of computer knowledge. We’ll get something up by tomorrow.
In the mean time, WOW NOT BAD RIGHT?
Looking forward to his humiliation, like many others. Of all columns to write canned. Can’t get worse than that.
O’Connor’s piece reminds me of that Stephen A. Smith that came out the other day. They were both ridiculously foolish rambling pieces that meandered all over the point while stretching themselves thin to try to prove the point that they had already determined had been proven before they wrote the article. Very disappointing.
I’m a big James Harden fan, but seriously, what in the fuck does James Harden’s performance tonight have to do with Melo’s? The answer to that question is “not a bloody thing.”
As an aside, what’s up with the Knick announcer now calling him “Melo Anthony”? I presume that’s something Melo asked for. “Melo Anthony” sounds silly. “Melo” sounds cool, but it has to be a solo thing, you can’t pair “Melo” with “Anthony” and sound cool.
I actually cringed Brian. We need to start a petition, its either Melo or his full government name.
Anything Mike Walczewski says sounds cool!! I heard Melo after the game say he was surprised with the Melo Anthony name and said he might ask for them to just say Melo so I guess he agrees with you lol
fascinated to see how long Harden can keep this up, no one has ever scored more in the first two games of the year except Wilt a few times and Jordan once (!!!).
yeah, the Melo stuff is ridiculous, I read that he is also listed like that on the scoreboard now. at least he doesn’t want to be called “World Peace”, I guess… :)
So I watched some of the Denver game and I’m starting to wonder when all the stat geeks are going to start writing excuses when they end up as the 6th seed and are a quick out in the first round again. Hint: If you can’t defend Orlando worth shit, you’re not a contender. They could score at the number 1 efficiency in the league from now on and it wouldn’t change the fact that having 1 good perimeter defender in this league isn’t enough to seriously bump up your defense. Even Dwight Howard hasn’t been able to prop up the Lakers lol, but at least he’s been out for months with an injury and could still be recovering physically. Denver was supposed to be number 2 in the west! Even the Lakers aren’t losing to mediocre teams dealing with injuries, they have injury concerns themselves…
If he didn’t even ask for it then it is beyond bizarre! So they just abruptly decided that they were going to start calling him Melo Anthony, even (as Jon notes) on the scoreboard without even checking with Melo himself? That is so weird! During the player intros, my wife and I thought that the sound had shorted out for a second or something like that!
“He’s very motivated right now,” said Tyson Chandler. “I’ve only been with him for two years but this is the most motivated I’ve seen him. He’s doing so much, and not only what you saw in display tonight. But in the film room and walk throughs. He’s changed. He’s getting in early, putting up shots from everywhere, pulling guys aside to give them advice. He’s being a great teammate.”
that’s a quote on Anthony… if he’s “changed”, that means he didn’t do those things before, right?
why is McGee only playing 11 minutes behind Koufos? they need him to step up this year, I think that’s one of the main reasons why people were high on Denver.
Thought it was kind of strange that LeBron was smiling and laughing after the game. I know it’s the 2nd game of their season and not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but I can’t imagine a Jordan or a Bird with a hint of a smile after being blown out in MSG.
Also, interesting that ESPN darlings Boston and Denver both off to 0-2 starts.
because George Karl is a horrible coach.
LeBron doesn’t have the sociopathic need to win that those guys did, for better and worse. and this game was very special circumstances because of Sandy, as stated above.
Obviously I feel terrible for amare but maybe this injury was the best thing that could happen to this team. As others have said here, it gives Woodson cover to move him to the 2nd unit where he wold play very well alongside either Kurt Thomas or Rasheed- both of whom can guard the more dangerous opposing PF/C and can hit a mid-long range jumper if left open. A second unit of Kidd/Prigioni, JR, Shumpert/Novak, amare, and Rasheed/Thomas would probably be the best second unit in the league.
don’t forget Camby! he could be a major impact role player, even in 12-15 minutes a night.
And the curious case of Kenneth Faried!
you’re not looking for my response. Let’s see how much Knicks success you can deal with, troll.
for someone who has endured many long seasons of mediocrity, I guess I’ll handle the success just fine, if it comes, thank you.
you’re new to the Knicks, you’ll eventually get it.
I really don’t want to hear Wade bitch, btw. He was sitting in traffic when he tweeted. Well, that’s NYC even without the tropical storm. Thanks for the game check but still. Just go score some points. I’m sure LBJ was cynically trying to play into the “we didn’t try our hardest” narrative after the game as well. Gosh, I really don’t like those guys.
Meanwhile, we beat them and their healthy big three with only two of ours (and with one going 10-28)
One guy I really do still like is Jeremy Lin. He’s been overshadowed by Harden but has been very good. Ray had a great game and him and Jason Kidd will give us serviceable pg play but we will miss Lin, no doubt about it. Prigioni looked overmatched.
I’ve watched some of this game again, and I don’t think there’s any question the Heat didn’t really bring it like they should have last night. Some of it was our doing, and some was just pure effort.
Just watch Lebron on this Felton clip – have you ever seen him so lackadaisical on defense when actually trying?
http://www.nba.com/video/games/knicks/2012/11/02/0021200020-mia-nyk-play1.nba/index.html
Even on the alley-oop dunk LBJ had, he was basically jogging down the court. It wouldn’t surprise me if he just mailed it in this game — not giving it up, just lot giving 150% like he usually does at MSG — to give NYers something to rally around.
I will say this though- our defense was really really good. Miami wasn’t sharp, and the stats for LBJ/Wade/Bosh weren’t bad, but like Harvey Araton said on twitter, those were a little misleading – they didn’t score in the ways they want to. I’ve also never seen Lebron challenged quite this much as the rim when he got there.
Other thing – Miami’s backup PG situation is a real problem for them. Chalmers went out with 2 fouls and Felton and then JR just went to work on Ray Allen. Cole is an ok defender but is a terrible offensive player. Chalmers’s ballhawking is a big part of their D (remember what he did to Lin last year, and then to Baron/Bibby etc. in the playoffs?) and without him their D definitely lost some bite. Also, it looks like Joel Anthony doesn’t play at all anymore? He was such a good PNR defender, and very good on the offensive boards at least in the games he played against us.
Still a great win.
My impression of this win was that when the Knicks surged out to a 20 pt lead, e ahead wilted a bit. At the start of the second half they made runs, but the am nicks jUst pounded the, from three.
At some point, Wade and Lebron sort of decided not to play as hard.
But I believe if the Knicks had let up, Wade and Lebron would have stolen the game.
One thing is clear, the Knicks size and savvy gave the Heat trouble. This Knicks team will not get flustered.
Let’s be clear here, the Knicks are certainly not this much better than the Heat. There is no way a fully motivated Heat team gets blown out by 20 like this. That being said, the Knicks beat the Heat much by much more than the scoreboard indicated. Lebron and Wade kept jacking up terrible shots that went in because they happen to be great players. Those shots have never gone in consistently for them, so for them to have good stats while not being able to get any easy shots is more a matter of luck than skill. Simply put, the Knicks played like a dominant team, and even a half hearted Heat team is still better than a team like the Pistons. The Knicks were consistently moving the ball, playing hard, physical defense, and playing off the ball well, even when Melo was posting up (especially Kidd, Brewer, and Chandler, 3 guys who clearly know how to be role players in ways Fields and TD never would) I don’t even think the 3′s were fools gold, pretty much all of them were wide open, in rhythm shots that you would want players to take. Hell Novak missed some easy ones.
I don’t think the Knicks are suddenly the best team in the league (and they’re not winning 60 games lol) but I do think they have a great chance of making the ECF, and unless the Lakers get their shit together, a healthy Knicks team (with Amar’e on the bench lol) has more matchup advantages against the Heat than any other team in the league. Doesn’t mean they’ll win, they’ll need Shumpert to come back better than he was last year to realistically have a chance of that (or maybe JR will get super hot for a series lol)