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Friday, December 19, 2014

2012-13 Knicks Game Thread: Knicks vs. Raptors

Toronto played last night and had a big upset victory over the shorthanded Denver Nuggets, so let’s hope that they’ve got that whole “winning” thing out of their system and the Knicks take care of this scrappy little team.

Melo is currently tied with Kevin Durant for the league lead in scoring. Can he take sole possession of the scoring title going into the All-Star Break? If the Knicks win tonight, it’ll be the most wins they’ve had going into the All-Star Break since 1996-97 (which I think is the last Knicks team that was better than this year’s squad).

Rudy Gay seems to always get up against the Knicks. Let’s hope he doesn’t do well tonight. Hopefully the Knicks go into the All-Star Break on a high note!

Let’s go Knicks!

116 comments on “2012-13 Knicks Game Thread: Knicks vs. Raptors

  1. maxwell_3g

    if Landry Fields plays well against us tonight, my remote may meet an early demise. after last year’s debacle, that would be too much to take, especially off of a loss where Jamaal Crawfish lit us up

  2. maxwell_3g

    for all those interested, they have a 30 for 30 short film, “Disdane the Mundane”, about one Walt Frazier on Grantland.com.

  3. BigBlueAL

    This starting lineup continues to be awful offensively and alot of that has to do with Kidd completely forgetting how to shoot.

  4. maxwell_3g

    got the raptor’s announcers tonight. they are claiming this is personal for landry fields because he felt disrespected by Carmelo Anthony. Booo-Hooooo

  5. maxwell_3g

    BigBlueAL:
    This starting lineup continues to be awful offensively and alot of that has to do with Kidd completely forgetting how to shoot.

    agreed 110%. his shot looks off as soon as it leaves his hand

  6. Nick C.

    Fields is doing a competent job defensively but is more useless than tits on a fish on offense. He had three touches and blew a coast to coast over Felton, dribbled aimlessly finally turning it over and then passed up a ten footer over Kidd leading to a shot clock violation.

  7. ephus

    This would seem to be exactly the sort of game where Novak would make a difference. There are lots of open three pointers, but nobody is making them.

    And there he is, checking into the game.

  8. Brian Cronin

    By the way, with Lebron’s recent historic pace, do you all think he actually will somehow actually win the MVP? It seems like he might pull a Barry Bonds 2005-type season, where the voters desperately did not want to give him the award but they just couldn’t avoid it (Durant would be Albert Pujols in this scenario).

  9. ephus

    Even though Novak got posterized, that was not his fault. Gay was not his man. I think Kidd abandoned him when the ball got deflected.

  10. Brian Cronin

    These two teams have combined for more missed open layups than I can recall seeing in an entire GAME, let alone four minutes into the second freakin’ quarter!

  11. lavor postell

    Yeah Novak’s really giving us nothing to be happy about. His 3 point percentage has been steadily climbing all season, but I fail to remember a game against any competent defensive team where he had any impact. He also is routinely getting lit up on the defensive end without much resistance.

  12. yellowboy90

    The second unit now is the worst lineup. They are losing leads and stretching deficits every game they are on the floor these pass few games. WOodson needs to change quick.

  13. ephus

    Novak has hit three 3s. His first three defensive series were rough, but the first one was not his fault. If he hits his shots, he makes the offense work for everyone.

  14. maxwell_3g

    yellowboy90:
    The second unit now is the worst lineup. They are losing leads and stretching deficits every game they are on the floor these pass few games. WOodson needs to change quick.

    clearly, amare cant play the 5 on defense for the second team. im not saying that we need to make a move now, because i dont want to. but we need a backup 5. come playoff time, we better either have a healthy camby, a healthy sheed, or a healthy third option (there is not a third option on our roster right now)

  15. lavor postell

    I take credit for this Novak explosion. Clearly Woodson must be patrolling the KB game thread constantly looking for sources of motivation.

  16. BigBlueAL

    Hopefully the Raptors dont figure out before this game is over that shooting 3pters is a good thing and constantly shooting 18 footers early in the shot clock is a bad thing lol.

  17. BigBlueAL

    All I can say is at least the Knicks are winning. At this point just win tonight no matter how ugly it is and head into the All-Star break at 33-17 with a much needed week off.

  18. maxwell_3g

    d-mar:
    When did Bargnani become a 7 minutes in a half bench player? He used to kill the Knicks.

    hes been hurt until about 3 games ago. they are easing him back in

  19. BigBlueAL

    This has to be the worst shooting game of the season for the Knicks. Never seen so many wide open bricks. Melo’s worst game in weeks.

  20. Will the Thrill

    If this isn’t a nightmare game, I don’t know what is.

    er:
    Lol @ mike breen ” Melo having a nightmare game” his distain for Melo is hilarious

  21. BigBlueAL

    Somebody tell the Knicks Anderson is kinda on fire right now and maybe just maybe they should put a hand up in his face when he is shooting.

  22. er

    Will the Thrill:
    If this isn’t a nightmare game, I don’t know what is.

    The guy is getting hacked continuously when down low….and he can’t hit the outside shot…..just a bad shooting game not a nightmare lol

  23. maxwell_3g

    is this where john lucas goes crazy off the bench in replace of lowery. remeber, lucas has not been fully immersed in the stench of this game yet. and then on que

  24. d-mar

    There’s ugly and there’s fugly, and neither of those words adequately describes this basketball abomination

  25. DRed

    Lol Breen is so biased he said we had a horrible quarter when we were only 4-21 from the field and missed 7 FTs lol.

  26. maxwell_3g

    ok. lets regroup here. melo, we do not need a hero. we just need to play good defense and hope some shots fall

  27. Will the Thrill

    Amar’e’s resurgence is looking like fool’s gold right about now. Defenses have adjusted.

  28. lavor postell

    I get that we want to establish STAT as a presence in the post but can we please run some fucking pick and roll with him when Bargnani is defending him?

  29. lavor postell

    Wow it’s so surprising that everytime we run pick and roll against Bargnani we get wide open dunks for Chandler.

  30. d-mar

    Switching over to the Celtic game, Heinsohn is just a complete joke. He literally yells about every single foul called on Boston, and then when the replay proves the ref right he just goes silent.

  31. Juany8

    The Knicks are essentially playing 7 guys, and most of those guys look like they could use a break. Can’t believe that earlier in the year it looked like the Knicks might have too many players. This game has been awful

  32. lavor postell

    You know for such a great offensive player it really is mind boggling to me he has no ability to finish with his left hand. It really can’t be that hard for somebody this great at scoring. Also he really is terrible in the open court.

  33. BigBlueAL

    After this game I cant bother trying to argue with people who think the Knicks arent really that good and will have a hard time getting out of the 1st round because after watching this game it will be hard to dispute that line of thinking. I think just like the Knicks I need a week off from basketball lol.

  34. DRed

    lavor postell:
    You know for such a great offensive player it really is mind boggling to me he has no ability to finish with his left hand.It really can’t be that hard for somebody this great at scoring.Also he really is terrible in the open court.

    Are you talking about JR? Because JR is neither a great offensive player nor a great scorer. He’s a great shooter who is so good he actually can hit some of the really difficult shots he takes too many of.

  35. BigBlueAL

    DRed: Are you talking about JR?Because JR is neither a great offensive player nor a great scorer.He’s a great shooter who is so good he actually can hit some of the really difficult shots he takes too many of.

    I assume he was talking about Melo.

  36. AnonymousODG

    Watching Felton meander for 8 seconds while the Knicks tried to set up a double screen into a turnover just about made me lose it. Woodson is usually much better at drawing up plays. It’s fortunate that I had no electronics nearby with that last possession out of the timeout. I grabbed the nearest thing (a pillow) to me and threw it down as hard as I could…

    … which is more than I can say for all the missed layups.

  37. maxwell_3g

    JR had 26 points??!! that was the worst 26 points off the bench that I have ever seen.
    melo is clearly tired. i cant even blame him. i blame woody a this point.
    Kidd chipped in 0 points in 32 minutes. that just cant happen. shump played well. i’ll assume that we all realize that we would be crazy to trade him and just state that he needs more minutes.
    I know stats numbers were not good, but hes still hustling out there and i thought he got good shots over all

  38. d-mar

    Why are they talking about tired legs on the Knicks? The Raptors played last night, they should be the tired team. BS excuse.

  39. DRed

    I don’t understand why Prigs isn’t playing more when Kidd is doing nothing. Prigs obviously is not a great offensive threat either, but at the least it will let Kidd get some rest. If neither guy is scoring I’d like to rest the guy who at least has potential to score when he gets his legs back.

  40. mr.JayP

    maxwell_3g:
    JR had 26 points??!!that was the worst 26 points off the bench that I have ever seen.
    melo is clearly tired.i cant even blame him.i blame woody a this point.
    Kidd chipped in 0 points in 32 minutes.that just cant happen.shump played well.i’ll assume that we all realize that we would be crazy to trade him and just state that he needs more minutes.
    I know stats numbers were not good, but hes still hustling out there and i thought he got good shots over all

    He was 8/17 ill take that over 5/24 any day of the week! stat 4/13 he was not playing well at all. OPEN RIM and he misses. Kidd 32 min 0 pts. c’mon

    Woodsons rotations need tweaking period. and he needs another center.

  41. Owen

    Man, I feel like throwing up. Part of that is the food at the Barclays Center, where i saw the Nets trounce the Nuggets. Part of it is reading this thread. Crappy way to hit the All-Star break….

  42. nicos

    Agreed that the rotations need some serious tweaking. Maybe this loss will get Woodson to take a long hard look at the line-ups he’s been using. As bad as this loss was it was also the worst officiated game (both ways) I’ve seen in awhile and I’m sure I’ve never seen the Knicks miss so many layups.

  43. mr.JayP

    He’s logging too many minutes on Melo,Chandler,Kidd. he needs to slide shump back into the 2.

    He needs to take a page out of Pops and Docs play book. Go 12 deep with your rotations. They have the talent, we’ve seen numerous times when the bench has out played the starters.

    Every game, win or lose is edging me closer to the realization that woodson isnt the coach for this team. he wont lead them out the 1st round not in today’s Eastern conference.

  44. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Also, what happened in the Nuggets game?

    Find me another team that hit 70% of their 17 3PA AND STILL LOST BY DOUBLE DIGITS!

    That’s insane!

  45. Owen

    I was there. The Nets shot 16-27 from three, so not far behind. CJ Watson was en fuego.

    Nuggets looked a little tired and were playing without Gallo and Iggy for the second consecutive night…..

    Lawson shot as well as I have ever seen him. But Johnson had a big night. Not much defense played….

  46. jon abbey

    DRed:
    Am I crazy or did Landry Fields outplay Carmelo in a game in which Carmelo had 12 rebounds?

    yeah, you’re crazy. never taking shots doesn’t actually help a team, whether you’re Jason Kidd or Landry Fields.

  47. Brian Cronin

    Am I crazy or did Landry Fields outplay Carmelo in a game in which Carmelo had 12 rebounds?

    Melo had a very bad game, so…I dunno, maybe? If so, it was very slightly. It wasn’t like Fields had some great game.

  48. DRed

    jon abbey: yeah, you’re crazy. never taking shots doesn’t actually help a team, whether you’re Jason Kidd or Landry Fields.

    I’ll grant that going 2-4 for 4 points in 24 minutes is not very helpful on offense, but going 5-24 is much much worse. Melo essentially lost the Knicks this game singlehandedly. We lost by 4 points and he missed 19 shots. If Melo had gone 2-4 and the other Knicks had taken 20 more shots do you really think we would have lost?

  49. jon abbey

    it’s not that simple, how many times do we have to have the same discussion? this isn’t baseball, shot attempts don’t occur in a vacuum and no one on the Knicks could buy a basket last night.

  50. DRed

    jon abbey:
    it’s not that simple, how many times do we have to have the same discussion? this isn’t baseball, shot attempts don’t occur in a vacuum and no one on the Knicks could buy a basket last night.

    No Jon, it is that fucking simple. Carmelo missed 19 shots. That’s really, really bad. If you distributed those shots to the other Knicks, it is extremely unlikely that they would have missed all 19. This isn’t a night where Carmelo was mildly inefficient-it’s a night where he was terrible. Felton scored 16 points on 9 shots. JR scored 26 on 17. Novak was 3-4. Tyson scored two fewer points than Carmelo on 18 fewer field goal attempts. It is factually inaccurate to say nobody on the Knicks could buy a basket last night. Carmelo was extraordinarily terrible and Stat was mediocre.

  51. jon abbey

    again, not that simple. if Melo isn’t playing or is playing and never shooting, then it’s quite possible that some of the made shots by other guys don’t happen, because of the increased attention that the defense would give them.

  52. DRed

    jon abbey:
    again, not that simple. if Melo isn’t playing or is playing and never shooting, then it’s quite possible that some of the made shots by other guys don’t happen, because of the increased attention that the defense would give them.

    Sure. But he also missed 19 shots. Missing 19 shots is really detrimental to your team’s chance of winning. Carmelo took more shots than the rest of the starting lineup combined. He’d have to have an incredibly beneficial effect on their ability to make shots to overcome the negative effects on the team of going 5-24.

  53. jon abbey

    see, I think never taking shots because there’s no chance in hell you’ll hit them is even more detrimental, especially over the long haul. you see Melo missing shot after shot (as did we all), I see a starting lineup where Kidd is about as likely to hit a shot as I am, Shumpert is a huge question mark (although he looked a bit better yesterday, first time), Chandler is a threat only on the rare occasions he can get open for a dunk (and he has been pretty shitty catching the ball recently), and Ray Felton.

  54. DRed

    jon abbey:
    see, I think never taking shots because there’s no chance in hell you’ll hit them is even more detrimental, especially over the long haul. you see Melo missing shot after shot (as did we all), I see a starting lineup where Kidd is about as likely to hit a shot as I am, Shumpert is a huge question mark (although he looked a bit better yesterday, first time), Chandler is a threat only on the rare occasions he can get open for a dunk (and he has been pretty shitty catching the ball recently), and Ray Felton.

    If you have a player who can’t score at all, yes, that player is not going to be very valuable on offense. But he’s going to be even less valuable if he shoots a lot. If you read what I said on the next thread, I wasn’t upset at Melo for taking so many shots-at least until it was clear that for whatever reason he couldn’t buy a shot last night. It wasn’t really a bad Melo game. He missed a lot of shots at the rim, some open 3’s, etc. But for last night’s particular game the reason that we lost is that Melo missed so many shots. It’s not like Jason Kidd’s inability to hit a 3 was keeping melo from getting good shots. Melo got good shots and didn’t hit them.

    Looking solely at last night’s game, Landry Fields did better than Melo. Landry had a decent game. Didn’t miss a bunch of shots, got a ton of rebounds in 24 minutes and seemed to play solid defense. Melo absolutely sucked on offense and cost the Knicks the game. The process wasn’t bad, but the result was.

  55. jon abbey

    Jason Kidd’s inability to hit a shot and unwillingness to try impacts the offense adversely on every single possession he is on the floor over the last month or so, much like Fields for the last 2+ seasons. you can keep trying to convince me all you want (if that’s what you’re doing), but I’m never going to agree, sorry. I will always favor errors of commission over errors of omission in the NBA.

  56. DRed

    jon abbey:
    Jason Kidd’s inability to hit a shot and unwillingness to try impacts the offense adversely on every single possession he is on the floor over the last month or so, much like Fields for the last 2+ seasons. you can keep trying to convince me all you want (if that’s what you’re doing), but I’m never going to agree, sorry. I will always favor errors of commission over errors of omission in the NBA.

    Jon, I’m trying to convince you that missing 19 shots in a basketball game makes it really hard for your team to win the game.

  57. jon abbey

    they lost by 4 points, not 40, it wouldn’t have taken much to flip the outcome. missing 19 shots in a basketball game may make it really hard for your team to win the game, but a guy like Kidd or Fields hurts you incrementally on virtually every offensive possession all game.

  58. DRed

    jon abbey:
    they lost by 4 points, not 40, it wouldn’t have taken much to flip the outcome. missing 19 shots in a basketball game may make it really hard for your team to win the game, but a guy like Kidd or Fields hurts you incrementally on virtually every offensive possession all game.

    Jon, the fact that the lost by only 4 makes it even more likely that the guy who actually missed 19 shots is more to blame then a guy who may or may not be incrementally harming every offensive possession. NBA teams average roughly a point per possession, I think. Carmelo used something like 25 possessions on offense last night and managed to score 12 points. So that’s roughly 13 points he cost the Knicks in a game they lost by 4. You think Jason Kidd costs the Knicks 13 points a night because he hasn’t shot well in 6 weeks? That’s preposterous.

  59. jon abbey

    seriously, even if every single Knick including Melo issued a signed affidavit that he was solely to blame for that loss, you’re not going to convince me. the high usage guy is always the easy scapegoat.

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