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Thursday, April 24, 2014

2012-13 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Lakers

D’Antoni returns. The scoring leaders face off. Plenty to be excited about with the Lakers in town…..

153 comments on “2012-13 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Lakers

  1. BigBlueAL

    Twitter saying D’Antoni was booed pretty loudly during intros. Cant imagine it was anywhere near as bad as when Riley returned, that was insane.

  2. Juany8

    Gotta give credit to Barkley, for all his hate of the Knicks he’s been pretty consistent that Melo is the best scorer in the NBA for a while. Not hard to see why at this point, pretty bummed that I didn’t bet on him for MVP when the odds were something like 20 to 1.

  3. maxwell_3g

    BigBlueAL:
    Twitter saying D’Antoni was booed pretty loudly during intros.Cant imagine it was anywhere near as bad as when Riley returned, that was insane.

    melo s getting it. nailed 2 threes and then resisted the obligatory heat check the next time down

  4. ephus

    If Kobe is going to hit fadeaway 3 pointers off of the bounce, he is going to get his points. That was good D.

  5. Juany8

    Owen:
    Interesting they have Barkley in the booth….

    How often does he do that?

    I think it’s been under 10 times total, he’s not bad though

  6. ephus

    DRed:
    Howard got away with shoving Tyson pretty blatantly

    +2 (because that was the second Howard shove – the other one happened on the offensive end).

  7. Juany8

    ruruland:
    Why would Woodson pull him there?

    So he doesn’t get a dumb foul? Coaches do that all the time, a second foul isn’t worth the chance at 2 points.

  8. Nick C.

    41-27, 41-27 after one. Melo with 20. All this against the SI preseason preview cover team (albeit sans Nash and Gasol) . Who would have thunk it, other than Ruru, six weeks ago.

  9. ruruland

    Juany8: So he doesn’t get a dumb foul? Coaches do that all the time, a second foul isn’t worth the chance at 2 points.

    I understand the second

    Juany8: So he doesn’t get a dumb foul? Coaches do that all the time, a second foul isn’t worth the chance at 2 points.

    I understand the second foul situation haha.. The Knicks had one possession on offense with the hottest hand in the league. Melo, given how filthy he is right n

    Juany8: So he doesn’t get a dumb foul? Coaches do that all the time, a second foul isn’t worth the chance at 2 points.

    I understand the 2 foul situation haha…. He has the ball in his hands on a last possession at h

    Juany8: So he doesn’t get a dumb foul? Coaches do that all the time, a second foul isn’t worth the chance at 2 points.

    I understand that ha

    Juany8: So he doesn’t get a dumb foul? Coaches do that all the time, a second foul isn’t worth the chance at 2 points.

    I understand that haha……

    He’s going to ge

    Juany8: So he doesn’t get a dumb foul? Coaches do that all the time, a second foul isn’t worth the chance at 2 points.

    I get that haha. but he’s going to get 50-50calls at home when he’s this filthy

  10. ruruland

    Jesus that was the worst post in history of this board. Something is seriously fucked up with this keyboard.

  11. DRed

    Lakers have Howard, Duhon, Meeks, Ebanks and Clark on the floor. Holy shit is that a bad team. This is tremendously fun.

  12. ruruland

    maxwell_3g:
    kidd is so awesome.he even turns JR into a willing passer

    You didn’t see JR make that pass last year?

    Kidd’s passing is contagious, but let’s give credit to junior.

  13. ruruland

    DRed:
    Lakers have Howard, Duhon, Meeks, Ebanks and Clark on the floor.Holy shit is that a bad team. This is tremendously fun.

    Wallace is doing what he used to do to Howard in Detroit.

    You can see Chandler and Wallace are in Dwight’s head. You’ve seen a few jumpers and a lot of passiveness.

  14. ephus

    ruruland:
    Jesus that was the worst post in history of this board. Something is seriously fucked up with this keyboard.

    +1. I spent three minutes trying to figure out if you were doing something really deep.

    ‘Melo goes for 62+ tonight. 7 = 30!

  15. ruruland

    Douglas:
    Just checked in. Is this the bloodbath that the score makes it appear to be?

    Hop you’re recording. This will be one to remember for awhile.

  16. ephus

    Chris Duhon is not an NBA caliber PG. If he were, Orlando would have won their first round playoff series last year. The plus/minus was outrageous.

    Novak has regained his stroke.

  17. ruruland

    ephus: +1.I spent three minutes trying to figure out if you were doing something really deep.

    ‘Melo goes for 62+ tonight.7 = 30!

    This is incredible.

    Let’s see if he has to play in the second half haha.

  18. Nick C.

    You haven’t been following my auto corrects interpretations of my typos. lol

    ruruland:
    Jesus that was the worst post in history of this board. Something is seriously fucked up with this keyboard.

  19. Douglas

    ruruland: Hop you’re recording. This will be one to remember for awhile.

    Alas, I don’t have a DVR. Perhaps I will download this via… “illicit means” for posterity.

  20. DRed

    Melo was amazing in the first, but what’s just as crazy is that we haven’t skipped a beat since we sat him.

    In the face, Dwight!

  21. ruruland

    Douglas: Alas, I don’t have a DVR. Perhaps I will download this via… “illicit means” for posterity.

    I’ll send you my Synergy account if you want. You can get the whole gameh that way.

  22. ephus

    ruruland: Let’s see if he has to play in the second half haha.

    I don’t care if the Knicks are up 30, I want ‘Melo to take back the MSG scoring record.

  23. ruruland

    ephus: I don’t care if the Knicks are up 30, I want ‘Melo to take back the MSG scoring record.

    I’d be cool with that. You called his game (so far) tonight basically.

  24. Douglas

    ruruland: I’ll send you my Synergy account if you want. You can get the whole gameh that way.

    You would? I’d love that. Email me at doug.e.chu [AT] gmail.com

  25. Frank O.

    Lakers will make a push, but if after the first five in the third the Knicks still lead by 20, expect Howard to quit and Kobe to hero ball it

  26. cypes

    watsup knick fans we looking real gd fat ass chuck still hatn while we puttin it down ruru u r the best where is z-man

  27. nyk8806

    @Laker Nation We’d give you the halftime score, but we’ll just hold off until there’s some good news.

    LOL

  28. BigBlueAL

    Chandler with 0 rebs, Lakers outrebounding Knicks 22-15 at the half. Expect Barkley to only talk about this for rest of the game lol

  29. BigBlueAL

    llcoolbp:
    19 point lead. Nothing is safe. Knicks need to go for the jugular, Chris childs style.

    Dunno which was better, Childs punching Kobe or Dudley throwing the ball at Shaq.

  30. yellowboy90

    BigBlueAL:
    Chandler with 0 rebs, Lakers outrebounding Knicks 22-15 at the half.Expect Barkley to only talk about this for rest of the game lol

    Chandler was letting cats rebound right over him. These last two games he has been a little off. Tyson-bot may be in sleep mode.

  31. ephus

    Nice reward to Tyson Chandler after running the floor. He should have gotten the ball earlier when he beat Howard down the floor and was guarded by Duhon.

  32. ephus

    ‘Melo going to the locker room to get his right knee/ankle checked. Time for Novak to unleash the 3s.

  33. llcoolbp

    That’s his left knee. I have a really bad feeling. I couldn’t give 2 shits about this game. I hope melo is ok. Fucking Howard! Somebody needs to put him on the floor.

  34. ephus

    Felton can take Howard off the bounce anytime he wants. MDA might want to come up with a different PnR defensive strategy. [Cue Ruru with a disparaging remark about MDA's coaching ability].

  35. llcoolbp

    I’ve said it before. That’s why indestructible beasts like lebron are so valuable. People just bounce off guys like him. Melo can’t take the pounding like a lebron can.

  36. yellowboy90

    Hopefully it’s like the RG3 injury and looks worst than it really is. I actually think it’s his lower leg rather than his knee.

  37. llcoolbp

    yellowboy90:
    Hopefully it’s like the RG3 injury and looks worst than it really is. I actually think it’s his lower leg rather than his knee.

    Even if he hyperextended it like he did last year, it’s going to slow him down. Right in time form amare’s return.

  38. BigBlueAL

    Knick beat writers tweeting Knicks saying sprained left ankle, questionable return which I assume means he is done for tonight.

  39. er

    I don’t mean to sound ignorant but that’s dumb. He and Howard collided and he landed awkwardly. Melo is just as physical if not more physical than lebron. Same guy who was cryin about playin pf

    llcoolbp:
    I’ve said it before. That’s why indestructible beasts like lebron are so valuable. People just bounce off guys like him. Melo can’t take the pounding like a lebron can.

  40. yellowboy90

    BigBlueAL:
    Brewer bringing the D tonight.

    Man I wish he was healthy so he could play this way consistantly. I think woody has done a good job by keeping his minutes down when his Knee is bothering him. Then on top of that his hand is messed up.

    Looking forward to a healthy Brewer and Shump.

  41. Juany8

    er:
    I don’t mean to sound ignorant but that’s dumb. He and Howard collided and he landed awkwardly. Melo is just as physical if not more physical than lebron. Same guy who was cryin about playin pf

    I think it’s fair to point out that Lebron simply doesn’t get injured. Health is a pretty underrated skill

  42. yellowboy90

    Juany8: I think it’s fair to point out that Lebron simply doesn’t get injured. Health is a pretty underrated skill

    I think it’s also fair to point out Lebron has about 30+ more pounds on him. It’s really a testament of how strong Melo is to be able to play the 4 and 5 at times.

  43. llcoolbp

    Juany8: I think it’s fair to point out that Lebron simply doesn’t get injured. Health is a pretty underrated skill

    Thanks. I’m not knocking melo. There are just those unique athletes. Maybe they are more symmetrical. That just never get seriously hurt. Lebron is one of those. I’m just so jaded after 12 years of bad basketball. I feel like the basketball gods owe us this one year, where we should stay healthy as the season goes on. Lets hope this is a bump in the road for melo.

  44. ephus

    And that was the sound of the door slamming shut on the Lakers. Brought to you by Ray Felton, Tyson Chandler and JR Smith’s irrepresible confidence.

    This is a great time to be a Knick fan.

  45. maxwell_3g

    chandler has 2 rebounds. before we all complain about this at the end of the game, lets make a mental note of all of the offensive tip outs he has provided

  46. Douglas

    I love this. Kobe hits a big three, Knicks answer with RRRARGH TYSON SMASH and a backbreaking triple from JR.

  47. flossy

    maxwell_3g:
    chandler has 2 rebounds.before we all complain about this at the end of the game, lets make a mental note of all of the offensive tip outs he has provided

    Knicks as a team only have 2 offensive boards, so it hasn’t been doing much good.

  48. BigBlueAL

    One thing I havent liked with these last few games is the Knicks sudden urge to double team alot for seemingly no good reason.

  49. maxwell_3g

    could we make this any more interesting for no apparent reason?? we are lucky the laker habent made any of their 3′s

  50. flossy

    flossy: Knicks as a team only have 2 offensive boards, so it hasn’t been doing much good.

    Okay well there were two huge ones, right on cue

  51. nicos

    It’s easy to knock Felton but he’s being asked to run pnr basically every time down the floor- if this keeps up he’s going to look like Louis Orr by the end of the season. He’s the only guy besides Melo who ever breaks down the defense. The Knicks have the second best offense in the league and the ball is in his hands more than anybody- Melo included. He shoots poorly and too much but he’s a huge reason why the team has been so successful.

  52. yehudi3000

    “Anthony is day to day with a slight ankle sprain, according to Knicks coach Mike Woodson.”

    Hopefully, he’ll be back to the houston game, i want REVENGE!

  53. jon abbey

    good job holding on without Melo, hopefully he’s back next game (Woodson called him day-to-day afterwards).

    D’Antoni closing fast on Woodson for losses since Woodson took over, now 4-9 to Woody’s 35-11. :)

  54. BigBlueAL

    Melo says his left knee and ankle is sore, not sure if he plays on Saturday. He should definitely not play on Saturday since its against Cleveland. Rest up.

  55. ruruland

    “I didn’t abandon his offense. I’ve taken his offense and added a lot. We’re still playing open basketball, trying to get guys the freedom to play. If you look around our team with Kidd and Raymond and Pablo and J.R. and Melo and Ronnie, all these guys can make plays with the basketball.

    “I’ve used a lot of Mike’s offense, but I’ve also taken his offense and tried to expand it and do some things that I like to run, like double pick-and-rolls and triples and misdirection plays and things of that nature. Those are things I’ve examined from his offense and I’ve tried to expand a little bit. I like everything about Mike’s offense. I really do.”

  56. d-mar

    Too bad Amare isn’t ready, this would be a perfect time to bring him back. Rest Melo for the next few, start STAT at the 4, see what he’s got.

  57. johnlocke

    Too bad that could have been a SERIOUS offensive explosion. Hope he only misses the Cleveland game and can come back 100%.

    yellowboy90:
    The SportsCenter Highlights with the NBA Jam fireball when Melo is shooting is crazy.

  58. massive

    Two things:

    I believe Carmelo Anthony is the best half court offensive basketball player in the NBA outside of this year’s Kobe Bryant. LeBron and Durant are more efficient, but I believe we can attribute that to their ability to play fast-break basketball. Neither of those two guys are as difficult to stop in the half-court as Carmelo Anthony (well, maybe Durant is better). I wish I could see some efficiency statistics based on this.

    Raymond Felton is a lot worse than I remember. We need Amar’e back, because I feel a hell of a lot more confident with him taking shots away from Felton.

  59. ruruland

    massive:
    Two things:

    I believe Carmelo Anthony is the best half court offensive basketball player in the NBA outside of this year’s Kobe Bryant. LeBron and Durant are more efficient, but I believe we can attribute that to their ability to play fast-break basketball. Neither of those two guys are as difficult to stop in the half-court as Carmelo Anthony (well, maybe Durant is better). I wish I could see some efficiency statistics based on this.

    Raymond Felton is a lot worse than I remember. We need Amar’e back, because I feel a hell of a lot more confident with him taking shots away from Felton.

    Wouldn’t be that hard to do with Synergy and 82games.com.

    People will be shocked at what Amar’e does when he returns, both with Melo/Chandler and working with Prigs and junior.

    Kerr is wrong when he talks about spacing. Teams help off Ronnie Brewer all the time. The kinds of things Amar’e can do attacking from the weakside that Brewer could never dream of will make this offense ridiculous.

    Anyone with a Synergy account please watch how Amar’e played off the weaksde on the high/middle pnr with Robin Lopez. He feasted.

    Plus you’ve got 48 minutes of the best pick and roll in the game.

    This could one of the most efficient half-court offenses of all-time.

  60. ruruland

    massive:
    Two things:

    I believe Carmelo Anthony is the best half court offensive basketball player in the NBA outside of this year’s Kobe Bryant. LeBron and Durant are more efficient, but I believe we can attribute that to their ability to play fast-break basketball. Neither of those two guys are as difficult to stop in the half-court as Carmelo Anthony (well, maybe Durant is better). I wish I could see some efficiency statistics based on this.

    Raymond Felton is a lot worse than I remember. We need Amar’e back, because I feel a hell of a lot more confident with him taking shots away from Felton.

    Raymond is essential to the offense– the engine at times

    When MDA tried to switch screens (as teams always used to do against Nash/Amar’e) Felton made them pay.

    Howard is a garbage pick and roll player, and you’d never see guys like Chandler and Garnett get torched time after time in every pnr scenario. So much more to being a great defensive player than rebounds and blocked shots.

  61. ruruland

    BigBlueAL:
    Melo says his left knee and ankle is sore, not sure if he plays on Saturday.He should definitely not play on Saturday since its against Cleveland.Rest up.

    I actually think Melo being out Saturday is a really good thing. This tam needs to get back to playing possession-possession defense.

    No one to bail them out on offense after they don’t pursue the ball or fall asleep on the weakside on consecutive defensive possessions.

    Brewer is starting to play a little better. So long as he and Shump are right in May…

  62. ruruland

    Cavan, we all love Cavan, but he talked about the whole notion of MDA being a bad defensive coach a false narrative by virtue of the Suns middling defensive efficiency over the years.

    Have to disagree big time. Always felt that a significant reason his Suns teams were middling defensively was because they lured opponents into bad transition shots that many weren’t great. Many teams eschewed the half-court offense where you could almost always get anything you wanted because of the misperception that you had to score fast, ending up with a lot of average shooters taking bad shot. I spent about half the year going between Phoenix in Denver during those years, watched ost of their games.

    Their playoff defensive efficiency is far more telling to me. They consistently yielded much greater offensive games than their opponents averaged in the regular season.

    I also think Amar’e's negative defensive habits have everything to do with a lack of coaching over a long period of time.

  63. lavor postell

    “As a result, the Lakers are facing their most significant problem: Math.

    Over the past three full NBA seasons, the No. 8 seed in the Western Conference has averaged 48 wins. The Lakers, now 9-14 following Thursday’s 116-107 fraternity-style paddling at the hands of the Knicks at Madison Square Garden, would have to go 39-20 to get there. That’s a .661 winning percentage, the equivalent of a 54-win pace over a full season. Doable — at least in theory — for the roster assembled in the offseason, except nobody has any real idea of when that team will actually take the court, and the current group has shown nothing but the ability to lose to any team on any night. Sure, the Lakers made a late push against the Knicks, just as they did last week in Oklahoma City. But spotting teams huge leads and hoping they get bored (or that the star player turns an ankle) before staging a comeback isn’t exactly sound strategy. ”

    That’s from ESPN LA’s Rapid Reaction.

    I would imagine that Gasol and Nash’s respective returns would help greatly in that process, but we literally have no idea when Steve Nash is getting back. We do know that they no viable option to run the point without Nash and this problem becomes exacerbated when Steve “$4m/year” Blake is injured. Darius Morris, as much as it pains me to say of a fellow Wolverine, is not the solution. Then again they could go get Bibby, he apparently is working out and on the look out for a job…

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