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		<title>By: jon abbey</title>
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		<dc:creator>jon abbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so silly. I&#039;ve said it before, but people are going to look back on WoW in a couple of decades and laugh and laugh. hell, I&#039;m doing it now. it&#039;s not a &quot;blunt instrument&quot; in this case, it&#039;s a cockeyed, misleading, entirely worthless one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so silly. I&#8217;ve said it before, but people are going to look back on WoW in a couple of decades and laugh and laugh. hell, I&#8217;m doing it now. it&#8217;s not a &#8220;blunt instrument&#8221; in this case, it&#8217;s a cockeyed, misleading, entirely worthless one.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2012-13-game-thread-knicks-vs-hawks/#comment-418366</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 17:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I am afraid we can&#039;t agree on that. Formulas are a blunt instrument no doubt, but in the case of Carmelo they at least remind us just how one dimensional a player he is. 

Great game last night though.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I am afraid we can&#8217;t agree on that. Formulas are a blunt instrument no doubt, but in the case of Carmelo they at least remind us just how one dimensional a player he is. </p>
<p>Great game last night though&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: jon abbey</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2012-13-game-thread-knicks-vs-hawks/#comment-418334</link>
		<dc:creator>jon abbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 08:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[can&#039;t we all just agree that WoW is the Scientology of hoops stats? it&#039;s a waste of time even debating, it&#039;s so obviously ludicrous to even the most casual observer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can&#8217;t we all just agree that WoW is the Scientology of hoops stats? it&#8217;s a waste of time even debating, it&#8217;s so obviously ludicrous to even the most casual observer.</p>
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		<title>By: ruruland</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2012-13-game-thread-knicks-vs-hawks/#comment-418333</link>
		<dc:creator>ruruland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 07:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-418329&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-418329&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The&#032;Honorable&#032;Cock&#032;Jowles&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: incredulity = point proven


QED, my friends


&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Fact: If Melo took only spot-ups, off-screen, cuts, offensive rebounds, off rolls and transition shots --all off-ball shots which is what Novak is limited to (though he can&#039;t do most of these things anywhere near as consistently or at similar volumes as Melo for a wide variety of reasons) 

here is what his true shooting percentage and turnover  % would look like: .598 ts% 4.8 to % 

All of a sudden, Melo becomes a much more valuable player than Novak (when we consider all the huge advantages he has in floor stats)
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65/156 (43 3s) ( 6ft)  173

34/65 (18) (7ft) 86

9/20 (2 free throws) 18 

22/39 (3) 47 points 

18/29 (1) 9 free throws 

361+ 21 = 382 (total points)

309 fga +.44(24)  x 2 = 639.12

382/639.12= .598]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-418329" rel="nofollow">The&#032;Honorable&#032;Cock&#032;Jowles</a></strong>: incredulity = point proven</p>
<p>QED, my friends</p>
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<p>Fact: If Melo took only spot-ups, off-screen, cuts, offensive rebounds, off rolls and transition shots &#8211;all off-ball shots which is what Novak is limited to (though he can&#8217;t do most of these things anywhere near as consistently or at similar volumes as Melo for a wide variety of reasons) </p>
<p>here is what his true shooting percentage and turnover  % would look like: .598 ts% 4.8 to % </p>
<p>All of a sudden, Melo becomes a much more valuable player than Novak (when we consider all the huge advantages he has in floor stats)<br />
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<p>65/156 (43 3s) ( 6ft)  173</p>
<p>34/65 (18) (7ft) 86</p>
<p>9/20 (2 free throws) 18 </p>
<p>22/39 (3) 47 points </p>
<p>18/29 (1) 9 free throws </p>
<p>361+ 21 = 382 (total points)</p>
<p>309 fga +.44(24)  x 2 = 639.12</p>
<p>382/639.12= .598</p>
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		<title>By: nicos</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2012-13-game-thread-knicks-vs-hawks/#comment-418332</link>
		<dc:creator>nicos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-418329&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-418329&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The&#032;Honorable&#032;Cock&#032;Jowles&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: incredulity = point proven


QED, my friends.


&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Seriously- Do you agree with WoW that Brewer has been a more valuable player than Melo this year?]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-418329" rel="nofollow">The&#032;Honorable&#032;Cock&#032;Jowles</a></strong>: incredulity = point proven</p>
<p>QED, my friends.</p>
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<p>Seriously- Do you agree with WoW that Brewer has been a more valuable player than Melo this year?</p>
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		<title>By: ruruland</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2012-13-game-thread-knicks-vs-hawks/#comment-418331</link>
		<dc:creator>ruruland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-418329&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-418329&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The&#032;Honorable&#032;Cock&#032;Jowles&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: incredulity = point proven


QED, my friends.


&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Novak rb % = 5.1
Melo reb %= 9.5

Melo steal %= 1.3
Novak steal %= .8

Melo block % 1.5
Novak block % .5 

Novak to %= 2.1
Melo to % 8.9

Novak ts %= 608
Melo ts %= 570 (or so after tonight) 


The lesson: In order to game the WoW system of value, come into the league with a very limited skill set, be unable to dribble the ball or move, and only take super-optimal shots created by teammates. This can be achieved by simply passing the ball to a teammate regardless of circumstance if you cannot catch the ball in position to shoot. 

Let&#039;s see if Jowles disappears now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="comment-418329">
<p><strong><a href="#comment-418329" rel="nofollow">The&#032;Honorable&#032;Cock&#032;Jowles</a></strong>: incredulity = point proven</p>
<p>QED, my friends.</p>
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<p>Novak rb % = 5.1<br />
Melo reb %= 9.5</p>
<p>Melo steal %= 1.3<br />
Novak steal %= .8</p>
<p>Melo block % 1.5<br />
Novak block % .5 </p>
<p>Novak to %= 2.1<br />
Melo to % 8.9</p>
<p>Novak ts %= 608<br />
Melo ts %= 570 (or so after tonight) </p>
<p>The lesson: In order to game the WoW system of value, come into the league with a very limited skill set, be unable to dribble the ball or move, and only take super-optimal shots created by teammates. This can be achieved by simply passing the ball to a teammate regardless of circumstance if you cannot catch the ball in position to shoot. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see if Jowles disappears now.</p>
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		<title>By: ruruland</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruruland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-418327&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-418327&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Unreason&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: I agree about the importance of the main guys finally getting more time together on the floor. 

I’m less sure than you are about the defense. I have to admit that I don’t see the improvement in Amare’s D that you and several people have noted. He still seems prone to stand there looking clueless when everyone else rotates in unison. He’s always shown occasionally good man D, but I’ve yet to see a game where he showed signs that he could be consistently good on that end. 


He was not alone in sucking on D tonight. Felton is the other main culprit IMO. Teague is too fast for lots of guys to stay in front of, but Ray was just toast from buzzer to buzzer. And last night it wasn’t about speed. Jrue isn’t that fast. Hes a lot taller than Ray but not a lot stronger or quicker. But it was the same deal. Ray couldn’t do anything at all to even bother him and he just torched the Knicks. 


But obviously it’s not just the two of them. The team D that was so locked in the first month or so has just vaporized. If I start to see that come together again I’m going to get very very excited.


&lt;/blockquote&gt;
There were certainly breakdowns tonight, especially on pnr when the Knicks didn&#039;t switch, but the Hawks efficiency is largely attributable to transition and semi-transition. This will be apparent when you watch a second time.

The Hawks were only credited with 17 fastbreak points, but the scored a bunch before the Knicks defense was set.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-418327" rel="nofollow">Unreason</a></strong>: I agree about the importance of the main guys finally getting more time together on the floor. </p>
<p>I’m less sure than you are about the defense. I have to admit that I don’t see the improvement in Amare’s D that you and several people have noted. He still seems prone to stand there looking clueless when everyone else rotates in unison. He’s always shown occasionally good man D, but I’ve yet to see a game where he showed signs that he could be consistently good on that end. </p>
<p>He was not alone in sucking on D tonight. Felton is the other main culprit IMO. Teague is too fast for lots of guys to stay in front of, but Ray was just toast from buzzer to buzzer. And last night it wasn’t about speed. Jrue isn’t that fast. Hes a lot taller than Ray but not a lot stronger or quicker. But it was the same deal. Ray couldn’t do anything at all to even bother him and he just torched the Knicks. </p>
<p>But obviously it’s not just the two of them. The team D that was so locked in the first month or so has just vaporized. If I start to see that come together again I’m going to get very very excited.</p>
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<p>There were certainly breakdowns tonight, especially on pnr when the Knicks didn&#8217;t switch, but the Hawks efficiency is largely attributable to transition and semi-transition. This will be apparent when you watch a second time.</p>
<p>The Hawks were only credited with 17 fastbreak points, but the scored a bunch before the Knicks defense was set.</p>
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		<title>By: The Honorable Cock Jowles</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2012-13-game-thread-knicks-vs-hawks/#comment-418329</link>
		<dc:creator>The Honorable Cock Jowles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:17:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-418325&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-418325&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ruruland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: I don’t understand what you mean by love. You mean you appreciate a player based on his wp/48 number which corresponds to some perceived value?


Fun fact: Tyson Chandler (alone) accounts for more than a third of the Knicks win this year. 


Steve Novak has produced more than twice as many wins as Carmelo Anthony in 400 fewer minutes. 


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/nyk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/nyk&lt;/a&gt;


You just can’t make this shit up.


&lt;/blockquote&gt;

incredulity = point proven

QED, my friends.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-418325" rel="nofollow">ruruland</a></strong>: I don’t understand what you mean by love. You mean you appreciate a player based on his wp/48 number which corresponds to some perceived value?</p>
<p>Fun fact: Tyson Chandler (alone) accounts for more than a third of the Knicks win this year. </p>
<p>Steve Novak has produced more than twice as many wins as Carmelo Anthony in 400 fewer minutes. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/nyk" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/nyk</a></p>
<p>You just can’t make this shit up.</p>
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<p>incredulity = point proven</p>
<p>QED, my friends.</p>
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		<title>By: The Honorable Cock Jowles</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Honorable Cock Jowles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-418322&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ruruland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: .161 career wp/48 is great? More like pretty good.


&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thenbageek.com/players/2-al-horford&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.thenbageek.com/players/2-al-horford&lt;/a&gt;


He’s nowhere near Chandler’s greatness.


&lt;/blockquote&gt;

shhhhhhhhhhhh]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-418322" rel="nofollow">ruruland</a></strong>: .161 career wp/48 is great? More like pretty good.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thenbageek.com/players/2-al-horford" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenbageek.com/players/2-al-horford</a></p>
<p>He’s nowhere near Chandler’s greatness.</p>
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<p>shhhhhhhhhhhh</p>
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		<title>By: Unreason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unreason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2013 06:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-418304&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ruruland&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Woodson is not going to let this team be consistently bad on defense, not with all of the personnel back.
The trendline still looks positive, and the Knicks have over a month where they can really get right on both ends.
One thing no one wants to talk about is that the Knicks are playing a lot of lineups where guys haven’t had many reps with one another.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I agree about the importance of the main guys finally getting more time together on the floor. 

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-418227&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-418227&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Unreason&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
Good to see this unit with Melo, Amare, Chandler, and Smith trying to work it out. The O looks good even considering that Melo’s night is anomalous.


&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m less sure than you are about the defense. I have to admit that I don&#039;t see the improvement in Amare&#039;s D that you and several people have noted. He still seems prone to stand there looking clueless when everyone else rotates in unison. He&#039;s always shown occasionally good man D, but I&#039;ve yet to see a game where he showed signs that he could be consistently good on that end. 

He was not alone in sucking on D tonight. Felton is the other main culprit IMO. Teague is too fast for lots of guys to stay in front of, but Ray was just toast from buzzer to buzzer. And last night it wasn&#039;t about speed. Jrue isn&#039;t that fast. Hes a lot taller than Ray but not a lot stronger or quicker. But it was the same deal. Ray couldn&#039;t do anything at all to even bother him and he just torched the Knicks. 

But obviously it&#039;s not just the two of them. The team D that was so locked in the first month or so has just vaporized. If I start to see that come together again I&#039;m going to get very very excited.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-418304" rel="nofollow">ruruland</a></strong>: Woodson is not going to let this team be consistently bad on defense, not with all of the personnel back.<br />
The trendline still looks positive, and the Knicks have over a month where they can really get right on both ends.<br />
One thing no one wants to talk about is that the Knicks are playing a lot of lineups where guys haven’t had many reps with one another.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree about the importance of the main guys finally getting more time together on the floor. </p>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-418227" rel="nofollow">Unreason</a></strong>:<br />
Good to see this unit with Melo, Amare, Chandler, and Smith trying to work it out. The O looks good even considering that Melo’s night is anomalous.</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m less sure than you are about the defense. I have to admit that I don&#8217;t see the improvement in Amare&#8217;s D that you and several people have noted. He still seems prone to stand there looking clueless when everyone else rotates in unison. He&#8217;s always shown occasionally good man D, but I&#8217;ve yet to see a game where he showed signs that he could be consistently good on that end. </p>
<p>He was not alone in sucking on D tonight. Felton is the other main culprit IMO. Teague is too fast for lots of guys to stay in front of, but Ray was just toast from buzzer to buzzer. And last night it wasn&#8217;t about speed. Jrue isn&#8217;t that fast. Hes a lot taller than Ray but not a lot stronger or quicker. But it was the same deal. Ray couldn&#8217;t do anything at all to even bother him and he just torched the Knicks. </p>
<p>But obviously it&#8217;s not just the two of them. The team D that was so locked in the first month or so has just vaporized. If I start to see that come together again I&#8217;m going to get very very excited.</p>
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