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Thursday, July 24, 2014

2012-13 Game Thread: Knicks @ Timberwolves

Knicks are in Minnesota. Oddly enough, back home WE’re the ones with the tons of snow and not Minny!

Let’s go Knicks!

103 comments on “2012-13 Game Thread: Knicks @ Timberwolves

  1. cgreene

    Several times last game and this game either Felton or JR get caught looking at something else while the PG (Wall or Rubio) w the ball just zooms right by them. They are literally not even looking.

  2. llcoolbp

    It’s the Knicks lack of focus for more then a couple of games that is so troubling. They phoned in the second half of their last win, and that lackadaisical play has continued since.

  3. d-mar

    Amare has had a lot of thunderous dunks in his career, but that and one in the 1st half may be in the top 5

  4. BigBlueAL

    I just got home and have only watched the 3rd quarter and so far Ive already seen at least 5 different times where the Knicks have switched for absolutely no reason whatsoever leaving mismatches that the Wolves have exploited every time.

  5. Nick C.

    Well at least the Knicks mix up their defensive issues: last game it was open jumpers tonight the paint.

  6. SSS

    One of those times they switched before the ball was inbounded. And I’m not sure the Wolves were even running around screens.

    BigBlueAL:
    I just got home and have only watched the 3rd quarter and so far Ive already seen at least 5 different times where the Knicks have switched for absolutely no reason whatsoever leaving mismatches that the Wolves have exploited every time.

  7. flossy

    BigBlueAL:
    I just got home and have only watched the 3rd quarter and so far Ive already seen at least 5 different times where the Knicks have switched for absolutely no reason whatsoever leaving mismatches that the Wolves have exploited every time.

    Oh they were doing it to the point of absurdity in the 1st half, to the point where it’s almost like they’re trying to confuse the opposition with nonsensical defense.

  8. BigBlueAL

    maxwell_3g:
    pekovic is killing tyson tonight

    Is he really killing Tyson though?? In this quarter only once did he score on him, the other times he had Melo on him thanks to a switch and a couple of putbacks where Tyson wasnt near him.

    The Wolves broadcast just showd Pekovic highlights and twice it was him scoring on Melo and once on Chandler.

  9. maxwell_3g

    note minny’s defensive strategy. virtually no double teaming. sure, melo has gotten to the hoop a few times, but is still like that strategy. are you watching woody?

  10. yellowboy90

    Tyson “got my popcorn ready” Chandler is getting on my nerves tonight. He goes as his O goes. He needs touches to motivate his defense it seems.

  11. flossy

    BigBlueAL: Is he really killing Tyson though??In this quarter only once did he score on him, the other times he had Melo on him thanks to a switch and a couple of putbacks where Tyson wasnt near him.

    The Wolves broadcast just showd Pekovic highlights and twice it was him scoring on Melo and once on Chandler.

    Pekovic has beasted on everyone, but Chandler has offered no resistance, especially on the glass. But yeah, the random switching seems to often lead to things like Melo guarding Pekovic.

  12. jon abbey

    awful quarter, really needed that 3 at the end by Novak.

    if Melo played lazy, shitty games as often as Chandler, he’d be ripped on the back page of the tabloids constantly.

  13. cgreene

    The bottom line is that this team is just not good enough defensively to compete for a title. I would have them as an underdog to the Bulls with Rose for sure.

  14. BigBlueAL

    Great, Knicks finally score for the first time in like 10 mins and they get a tech after the basket.

  15. Will the Thrill

    Anthony is doing this while being totally gassed. At least he looks like it on D. What a surprising win this would be!

  16. maxwell_3g

    this would be a decent win considering NO ONE has played well at all (maybe Novak, and Melo at the end). Bottom line, we cant depend on melo heroics at the end of games with this much frequency. i think kidd needs to spend a couple week in a hyperbaric chamber

  17. Nick C.

    Kidd with the big steal after Melo channelled Jamal Crawford by dribbling around for most of the clock before a rushed falling backward shot.

  18. BigBlueAL

    Knicks win while the Pacers and Nets lose with the Bulls still to play in a game they should lose. In the end somehow it will turn out to be a very good night for the Knicks lol.

  19. jon abbey

    nice to see Chandler finally make a couple of plays at the end there, but basically a one man offensive show by Melo.

    now let’s see if either or both the Knicks and Clippers can make it to Manhattan in time for a 1 PM start Sunday.

  20. er

    2 take aways

    1 Knicks perimeter D is abhorrent
    2. Melo sat 3 mins in the 4th and dominated…..I hope woody will stop tryna run the man into the ground after these results

  21. d-mar

    It’s a long long season in the NBA, you take the road wins when you can get them. If the Heat play like crap for 3 quarters and then dominate the 4th, no one bats an eyelash. We played shitty and won, move on to the next game.

  22. jon abbey

    BigBlueAL:
    Kidd getting alot of credit on Twitter for his play down the stretch, especially defensively.

    he should get some blame for not being aware of the 24 second clock on a few of those late awful possessions too.

  23. BigBlueAL

    d-mar:
    It’s a long long season in the NBA, you take the road wins when you can get them. If the Heat play like crap for 3 quarters and then dominate the 4th, no one bats an eyelash. We played shitty and won, move on to the next game.

    You know what you are 100% correct. I think this Knicks team has gotten to the point where we know they are a good team so at this point it really is just a matter of winning games no matter what, regardless if they look good or bad doing so. Its tough to look at it this way while actually watching the game though and seeing a 7 pt half-time lead turn into an 11 pt deficit early in the 4th but in the end a win is a win and thats what matters the most.

  24. BigBlueAL

    jon abbey: he should get some blame for not being aware of the 24 second clock on a few of those late awful possessions too.

    I actually blame some on those possessions with running pnr’s with Melo. With the way he was going down the stretch screw that and just spread the court and let him ISO. Running a pnr just allowed the Wolves to trap and double him which lead to some of those last second heaves to beat the shot clock.

  25. llcoolbp

    d-mar:
    It’s a long long season in the NBA, you take the road wins when you can get them. If the Heat play like crap for 3 quarters and then dominate the 4th, no one bats an eyelash. We played shitty and won, move on to the next game.

    I disagree d-mar. The heat are nba champs. The Knicks can’t coast like them and get a pass. The Knicks are trying to become like the heat. Lets win a playoff series before we give them a pass when they coast for 3 quarters.

  26. d-mar

    llcoolbp: I disagree d-mar. The heat are nba champs. The Knicks can’t coast like them and get a pass. The Knicks are trying to become like the heat. Lets win a playoff series before we give them a pass when they coast for 3 quarters.

    The Pacers lost at home to the Raptors, the Hawks lost at home to the Hornets, the Nets got blown out by the Wiz, need I say more?

  27. jon abbey

    llcoolbp: I disagree d-mar. The heat are nba champs. The Knicks can’t coast like them and get a pass. The Knicks are trying to become like the heat. Lets win a playoff series before we give them a pass when they coast for 3 quarters.

    with all due respect, this is idiotic. you can’t win a playoff series in February, NY’s point differential and record for the season are very close to Miami’s, and this would have been a very easy game to lose. an inspired crappy team playing at home, worries about whether they’ll be able to get back home after the game, the ASB fast approaching: a win under these circumstances is a good win.

  28. ruruland

    BigBlueAL:
    Kidd getting alot of credit on Twitter for his play down the stretch, especially defensively.

    Kidd will always make big plays in tight games on defense. But the entire team’s defensive effort was great in the last 6 minutes.

    The Knicks are going to coast through long stretches of the year. Their key players, from Melo and Chandler to Kidd, AMar’e, shoot even guys like Smith and Felton, have logged a lot of minutes over their basketball careers and know how to pace themselves for the playoffs.

    This is not how the Knicks will play in the playoffs or in big games throughout the year. Or, in certain stretches where they go on runs.

    This is exactly what the championship Mavs teams did, what the Spurs did for a decade before changing their style of play and adding ad bunch of young guys to surround their core.

    The Knicks have the best 4th quarter differential in the league. That’s when they play hard.

    If that’s not a sign of what they might be able to do in the post-season, nothing is.

  29. yellowboy90

    BigBlueAL: I actually blame some on those possessions with running pnr’s with Melo.With the way he was going down the stretch screw that and just spread the court and let him ISO.Running a pnr just allowed the Wolves to trap and double him which lead to some of those last second heaves to beat the shot clock.

    I would have like to seen a better screen from Tyson because Peko/General Zod was looking tired before the timeout Minny called. He had coasted back on D to give Tyson a mismatch and layup then didn’t show on the PnR which lead to an easy J for Melo. However, Melo could have been running out of gas too.

  30. llcoolbp

    jon abbey: with all due respect, this is idiotic. you can’t win a playoff series in February, NY’s point differential and record for the season are very close to Miami’s, and this would have been a very easy game to lose. an inspired crappy team playing at home, worries about whether they’ll be able to get back home after the game, the ASB fast approaching: a win under these circumstances is a good win.

    It’s about forming a personality and winning mentality/killer instinct. Not to mention they absolutely need the 1 or 2 seed to have a chance of making the east finals. Obviously it’s always good to win on the road. This teams needs to rack up the wis now, because march is unrelenting.

  31. d-mar

    d-mar: The Pacers lost at home to the Raptors, the Hawks lost at home to the Hornets, the Nets got blown out by the Wiz, need I say more?

    Forgot to mention, the Spurs lost to the Pistons, long season

  32. ruruland

    llcoolbp: It’s about forming a personality and winning mentality/killer instinct. Not to mention they absolutely need the 1 or 2 seed to have a chance of making the east finals. Obviously it’s always good to win on the road. This teams needs to rack up the wis now, because march is unrelenting.

    I agree that the Knicks need to have a 1-2 month stretch near the end of the year where they play great defense.

    Camby and Sheed will help with that. We see how much better Tyson plays when there’s another true big.

  33. jon abbey

    llcoolbp: It’s about forming a personality and winning mentality/killer instinct. Not to mention they absolutely need the 1 or 2 seed to have a chance of making the east finals. Obviously it’s always good to win on the road. This teams needs to rack up the wis now, because march is unrelenting.

    I agree with most of that, but honestly I’m not sure that in today’s NBA, how you play in the regular season matters one bit anymore. what matters is your seed, your health and your ability. for instance, the Sixers couldn’t have played worse down the stretch last year, then they knocked out Chicago and took Boston to a game 7. on the flip side, the Bulls go all out every game, have had the #1 seed the last two years, and are 2-2 in playoff series.

  34. ruruland

    jon abbey: I agree with most of that, but honestly I’m not sure that in today’s NBA, how you play in the regular season matters one bit anymore. what matters is your seed, your health and your ability. for instance, the Sixers couldn’t have played worse down the stretch last year, then they knocked out Chicago and took Boston to a game 7. on the flip side, the Bulls go all out every game, have had the #1 seed the last two years, and are 2-2 in playoff series.

    Also, San Antonio the last two years. Dallas won its championship after a regular season that was probably the 6th or 7th best in the Dirk era.

    Detroit won its championship after a 54 win regular season as a three seed.

    The Lakers were a No. 1 seed once on their 3-peat.

    As a matter of fact, the No.1 seed has only won the championship four times in the last 14 years.

  35. ruruland

    All that matters is that the team is capable of playing great defense. We’ve seen glimpses and stretches of it the last two years.

    In the playoffs last year, and even the regular season the last two years, it’s been the Knicks offense against Miami that’s hurt them the most, not the half-court defense.

  36. llcoolbp

    The fact is they can’t turn the defense on like a switch unless they consistently bring it defensively for a long stretch, and understand the nuances of that. I’m almost at the point where I’m tired of waiting for camby and sheed. Especially dissapponted with camby who came into camp in poor shape and looks like he’s mailing it in, after getting his last big contract.

  37. llcoolbp

    Speaking of defense. I’m watching the Chicago/Utah game right now. The effort the bulls give all game is just awesome to watch. Even Nate. If rose comes back and is 85% of what he was, they are a scary team.

  38. jon abbey

    llcoolbp:
    The fact is they can’t turn the defense on like a switch unless they consistently bring it defensively for a long stretch

    what makes this a fact? this kind of thinking was much more true a few decades back, I just don’t think it’s true in today’s game and ruru and I gave you a bunch of examples to the contrary above.

    and the Bulls are worn out by the playoffs by playing that hard all year, Thibodeau plays his guys way too many minutes.

  39. llcoolbp

    jon abbey: what makes this a fact? this kind of thinking was much more true a few decades back, I just don’t think it’s true in today’s game and ruru and I gave you a bunch of examples to the contrary above.

    and the Bulls are worn out by the playoffs by playing that hard all year, Thibodeau plays his guys way too many minutes.

    All the examples you give are teams that had success year even if they were not the 1 seed. The Knicks have been a middling team for over a decade. So yes, the fact is, it takes longer then half a season to forge a great defensive identity and work ethic. The Knicks are far from there yet, and can’t rest on their laurels.

  40. jon abbey

    you’re just saying things, they don’t mean anything. the Sixers knocked the Bulls out of the playoffs last year, they had no laurels to rest on, they were 10-14 down the stretch, they backed into the playoffs and they came a game away from making the Eastern finals. the Knicks beating Sacramento by 40 points last week means exactly the same thing as the Knicks squeaking by Minnesota tonight, both of them are one win and no losses. effort in February matters a lot less than not playing your guys too many minutes, as the Bulls have proved now for two straight seasons. everyone tries their hardest in the playoffs, and the teams that have been giving it all all season don’t have another gear to go to. rethink your conventional wisdom in the light of actual events of recent seasons, that’s all I’m saying.

  41. Brian Cronin

    Detroit in 2004 was a much different team before they were gifted Rasheed Wallace without giving up anything of note from their roster. So their record and seed was deceptive.

    But yeah, in general, the most important thing is what shape your team is in heading into the playoffs. Having the #1 seed means nothing if, like, Lebron James gets hurt in Game 1 of the playoffs, ya know?

  42. Juany8

    llcoolbp: All the examples you give are teams that had success year even if they were not the 1 seed. The Knicks have been a middling team for over a decade. So yes, the fact is, it takes longer then half a season to forge a great defensive identity and work ethic. The Knicks are far from there yet, and can’t rest on their laurels.

    San Antonio, the other great regular season team in the least 2 years, has had the exact same results as Chicago, a 2-2 record including a loss to an eighth seed (with no injury excuses like the Bulls). The funny thing? Poppovich gives less of a shit than anyone! He takes his starters out of games, considers health and rest a top priority, and never had a dominant regular season team when he was actually winning championships. Once you establish that you are a good team, health and playoff matchups are the only things that matter.

    You can get pissed all you want that the Knicks aren’t blowing teams out by 40 every night. The Knicks, thankfully, aren’t insecure 18 year olds that need to prove themselves to every fan on a message board. Like the real good teams in this league, their eyes are entirely on the playoffs, not on racking up ridiculous point differentials that won’t mean anything against the many teams capable of playing far better in the post season, even if only because they can suddenly play their starters major minutes. If the Knicks want to beat Miami they SHOULD be like Miami, and focus more on being healthy and prepared than anything else.

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