jon abbey:
yeah, in the end it’s just sports, the most entertaining reality TV. you can only get so upset if you’re not one of the people playing or making the front office decisions, or at least that’s how I feel.

Most of my friends and family think Im nuts and way too obsessed with the Knicks/Yankees and I often tell them you have no idea how normal a fan I am compared to many people on the internet lol.

I often go crazy during games and I literally plan my days most of the time around Knicks/Yankees games. I love watching them play more than anything else on TV. For me it is by far my favorite form of entertainment. But in the end I love them so much that I cant fathom hating them or not wanting to root for them anymore. Thats why I was a bit surprised by some of the reactions over the summer about Knick fans wanting to quit being fans of the team over a team decision they hated.

I almost view the Knicks/Yankees as my family, you may hate things they do and get angry at them but in the end they are your family and you “love” them no matter what. I dont ever regret watching them when they lose because Im angry or whatever and feel like it was a waste of time.

Shit now the more that I look at it maybe I am a bit too obsessed with them lol.

max fisher-cohen: It’s about possibility. Before the Melo trade, the Knicks were longs hots to sign or trade for Paul or Howard. After, they had no shot and were stuck with two consolation prizes whose games didn’t complement each other. That doesn’t make you a little sad/angry?

Howard isn’t looking like much of a prize these days, and it’s pretty easy to make an argument that no transaction has mattered at all (as far as a potential championship) since LeBron chose Miami.

BigBlueAL:
Here is my thing about the Nuggets and Knicks which is what I was trying to say earlier.I totally agree that the Nuggets have a very good team who should remain very good for the next few years.But I just dont see how they can breakthrough and even get past the 2nd round of the playoffs in that time frame.

It’s about possibility. Before the Melo trade, the Knicks were longs hots to sign or trade for Paul or Howard. After, they had no shot and were stuck with two consolation prizes whose games didn’t complement each other. That doesn’t make you a little sad/angry?

Denver has younger guys mostly on reasonable deals & a bunch of draft picks. They can make cap space in a flash with nearly anyone on their roster being desirable. NY has $35m/year locked into Camby, Kidd, Novak and STAT. Which team is more likely to able to get a game changing player? Both teams likely won’t win titles any time soon, but certainly Denver has a better shot.

.500-ish teams are blood simple to build in the NBA; it only becomes challenging when you do so while maintaining a young roster & cap flexibility, and really without a top 5 player, that’s the only thing to reach for. The cap & rookie scale are designed to lure dumb management into trading youth and picks for vets in the same way a dumb teenager might be tempted to sell the Apple stock his grandpa bought him so he can buy the entire Members Only catalog. That dude looked cool for a few years, and maybe even had sex a couple times, but now his jackets are in the landfill whereas his $1k in apple stock would be worth $10 million.

It’s not about vindication. I just want a team that has hope, that isn’t trending downwards from a not-so-impressive peak. I don’t want the Knicks to make me sad anymore.

BigBlueAL: Hey man I hate Dolan as much as anybody so you are preaching to the choir there lol.

About not wanting a trade for Melo, thats an easy thing to say in hindsight.Sure they dont do the trade, then what??

Not hindsight, many were saying just that at the time. the knicks were 2 over .500 at the time of the trade after being paralyzed by rumors for the previous month. they could have won the one playoff game they won in the 2 following years by doing nothing and letting curry, azibuke, the pharoah and felton expire over the next 2 seasons which would have opened a max slot the first year and a near max slot the second year.

cp3 was traded for an already sore eric gordon, a 10th pick in the draft and 2 rolls of toilet paper.

dwight howard was traded. deron williams was traded. there could have been a lot of options, hell, maybe melo might have signed as a FA, but even if he went to ni there were lots of options.

When dolan let billups be forced into the trade (with the other crap) they were then forced to play with an old sore kneed point guard or a defensive specialist center (chandler) and no point guard (that didn’t work out too well) and no chance to amnesty a’mare later in his contract which everyone knew was likely to need to happen.

I could go on, but the result of the melo trade was pairing a one way offensive machine with a one way defensive specialist center and a sore kneed amare with virtually nothing else. Oh… I forgot… Ray Felton is your #2 scoring option for the next 4 years!

I think the Nuggets could get a lot better on defense. And they have the trade pieces and cap space to make moves.

They also have a pretty savvy front office and ownership group hi have a pretty strong track record of making good decisions.

That’s really the major difference,

I also think there is a lot of room for a bunch of the Nuggets to improve. Their whole front court in particular.on the defensive end.

Re 233 – they could have not signed amare and just bottomed out. But yeah, that’s old news at this point….

bobneptune: Sort of a false dichotomy. My only criticism of the melo trade was and still is, there never should have been a melo trade. ever.

I know something about addiction and dolan is a classic impetuous recovering addict. the franchise will never be truly successful with him at the helm.

Hey man I hate Dolan as much as anybody so you are preaching to the choir there lol.

About not wanting a trade for Melo, thats an easy thing to say in hindsight. Sure they dont do the trade, then what?? They somehow trade for CP3 correct?? If not then what?? Especially with Amar’e getting hurt and not being the player he was in his first season here what would the Knicks look like now??

Like I said a few days ago once LeBron signed with the Heat there was no easy/quick way to build a true title contender. I certainly am not 100% thrilled with all the moves that have been made by the Knicks in the past couple of years but Im not exactly upset or pissed at the team they have put together right now.

bobneptune: I know something about addiction and dolan is a classic impetuous recovering addict. the franchise will never be truly successful with him at the helm.

yep. I revived the FB Occupy MSG thread a few days ago, first time since the summer. the rot starts at the top, as it always has.

BUT the whole thing about the Melo trade and some of their subsequent moves was people complaining because all they have done is put together a decent/good team that in the 3 year window they currently have wont be able to win a championship. If they win 50 games this season and next and win a couple of playoff series but dont go to the NBA Finals most of the people who hated the trade and letting Lin go will feel vindicated. But if the Nuggets do the same thing they get credit.