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Saturday, August 23, 2014

2012-13 Game Thread: Knicks @ Pacers

The second half begins tonight!

This is a big game, as the Pacers are just a game and a half back.

Let’s go Knicks!

159 comments on “2012-13 Game Thread: Knicks @ Pacers

  1. jon abbey

    this would be a huge win for NY in trying to protect their #2 seed, I wish I was more optimistic about their chances.

  2. flossy

    How long can we pretend that having JR Smith and Amar’e on the bench to start the game is a good strategy??

  3. cgreene

    This board is really robust like the Knicks. Ugh. The descent begins. I blame Woodson. He does not have a good strategy and he does not have the team prepared.

  4. DRed

    flossy:
    How long can we pretend that having JR Smith and Amar’e on the bench to start the game is a good strategy??

    Why would we start JR? So he can miss shots right off the bat?

  5. maxwell_3g

    er:
    Whoa the nix 3 point defense has been abhorrent

    agreed. and fans will cite the pacers high % from 3 as an outlier. however, when your team shoots contested 3′s and you allow wide open ones, you are not going to win

  6. er

    Idiotic substitution by Woodson leave Melo in the game is a long shot anyway. I am tired of lazy ass coaches in all sports who never think out of the box

  7. maxwell_3g

    er:
    Idiotic substitution by Woodson leave Melo in the game is a long shot anyway. I am tired of lazy ass coaches in all sports who never think out of the box

    i dont think it matters. im more concerned about the lack of offensive/ defensive strategy changes over the break. same ol crap

  8. jon abbey

    boy, great defensive teams like Indiana and Chicago just kick the crap out of us this year. this is embarrassing.

  9. jon abbey

    Will the Thrill:
    The way we’ve played recently, I would be relieved if we make it out of the first round.

    it all depends on the draw, but I wouldn’t bet on it. even if we do, it’s very hard to imagine a favorable second round matchup.

  10. er

    jon abbey:
    boy, great defensive teams like Indiana and Chicago just kick the crap out of us this year. this is embarrassing.

    This hasn’t been physical though the Knicks just can’t shoot or defend lol

  11. maxwell_3g

    jon abbey:
    Kidd is absolutely awful these last few weeks, there is no way Ronnie Brewer could be worse.

    i dont understand why shump isnt getting some of kidd’s minutes at the 2 guard

  12. er

    maxwell_3g: i dont think it matters.im more concerned about the lack of offensive/ defensive strategy changes over the break.same ol crap

    I disagree Melo was beating up on George in the post

  13. jon abbey

    maxwell_3g:
    im nominating kurt thomas as our mvp of this half

    4 fouls in 6 minutes! it’s a crime that he is still on the roster as opposed to someone who might actually be able to play backup big man minutes.

  14. Will the Thrill

    I think that is just a luck-of-the-draw stat for Sheed. It is clear our team is old, slow, and tired and I don’t think Sheed will help with any of those categories at least. Sure, he brings some interior D, but the Knicks have much deeper problems than missing a backup center.

    jon abbey:
    16-4 with Sheed, 16-15 without him.

  15. Owen

    This is where Novak shoots us back into it, with an assist from Prigs….

    Or something else equally improbable…..

  16. er

    Brian Cronin:
    Do you think there actually any chance that this will affect the Knicks’ trade deadline plans? Like sort of push them to making a deal? Or no?

    Yep shump for reddick may be that much closer

  17. cgreene

    No Amare? No Melo? Let’s go with Kurt Thomas!!!! Not Shumpert. Not Copeland. Not Novak. Kurt Thomas, ladies and gentlemen.

  18. maxwell_3g

    Brian Cronin:
    Do you think there actually any chance that this will affect the Knicks’ trade deadline plans? Like sort of push them to making a deal? Or no?

    i hope not

  19. er

    cgreene:
    No Amare?No Melo?Let’s go with Kurt Thomas!!!!Not Shumpert.Not Copeland.Not Novak.Kurt Thomas, ladies and gentlemen.

    Lol shudda put in brewer for 3 point shooting

  20. Will the Thrill

    I hope it does, but I hope we get younger, not older.

    Brian Cronin:
    Do you think there actually any chance that this will affect the Knicks’ trade deadline plans? Like sort of push them to making a deal? Or no?

  21. Brian Cronin

    I think the team definitely misses having a competent big man, so I can see Sheed (and/or Camby) having a big impact on the team. Probably not big enough to swing their record too much, but it would definitely have an impact.

    If the Knicks lose tonight, they’d seriously be 14-14 since their 18-5 start, right? Yee-ikes.

  22. maxwell_3g

    hansborough committed a ridiculously dangerous foul while making no play on the ball. felton deserves a foul for reacting to pendergraph, nothing more

  23. Will the Thrill

    But how many more wins would Sheed and/or Camby have provided us? I wouldn’t go any higher than 1 or 2 out of those 14.

    Brian Cronin: If the Knicks lose tonight, they’d seriously be 14-14 since their 18-5 start, right? Yee-ikes.

  24. DRed

    Those of you who think Shump should be taking Kidd’s minutes-why should he? He’s coming back from major knee surgery and he also can’t shoot. Or score at the rim. I get why people want Kidd to play less, but Shump isn’t he answer either.

  25. maxwell_3g

    i just dont understand. if you are novak, thomas, etc (guys that dont matter) how do you not knock someone over for pride’s sake.

  26. cgreene

    I actually think this is the kind of loss that can change the fortunes of the team’s season. Wow. At least our expectations are back in line being that winning 1 round would be a success.

  27. Will the Thrill

    Agree, but really wouldn’t have made a difference

    er:
    That’s why I say Melo shudda stayed in wtf are those 3 fouls worth now dumb ass woodson

  28. maxwell_3g

    er:
    That’s why I say Melo shudda stayed in wtf are those 3 fouls worth now dumb ass woodson

    i get your point, but melo wasnt going to make a difference. its our hustle iand defense, not our offense. melo needs to step up his hustle and defense too. sure, he might have gotten us some buckets, and we would be down 26. our team lacks heart and a gameplan. once we rediscover those things, then the substitution patterns will matter

  29. KnickFanInCelticLand

    DRed:
    Those of you who think Shump should be taking Kidd’s minutes-why should he?He’s coming back from major knee surgery and he also can’t shoot. Or score at the rim.I get why people want Kidd to play less, but Shump isn’t he answer either.

    Fully agree.

  30. maxwell_3g

    KnickFanInCelticLand: Fully agree.

    this is my argument. kidd, with more time, is getting worse. there is a chance that shump, with more time and more strength building up in his leg will reclaim his mojo and get better. maybe it wont happen, but i like shump’s chances of improving better than kidd’s. they ar equally bad right now

  31. er

    maxwell_3g: i get your point, but melo wasnt going to make a difference.its our hustle iand defense, not our offense.melo needs to step up his hustle and defense too.sure, he might have gotten us some buckets, and we would be down 26.our team lacks heart and a gameplan.once we rediscover those things, then the substitution patterns will matter

    maxwell_3g: i get your point, but melo wasnt going to make a difference.its our hustle iand defense, not our offense.melo needs to step up his hustle and defense too.sure, he might have gotten us some buckets, and we would be down 26.our team lacks heart and a gameplan.once we rediscover those things, then the substitution patterns will matter

    Melo only had 1 bad defensive play when he gave George space on a 3….he was the only one fighting over screens remember the 2 mahimi offensive fouls and like I said b4 he was punishing George in the post. It’s all pointless tho…have a good evening all

  32. Hubert Davis

    Brian Cronin:
    Do you think there actually any chance that this will affect the Knicks’ trade deadline plans? Like sort of push them to making a deal? Or no?

    I’m terrified that it will.

    Let’s be honest, don’t all of us get pits in our stomach on deadline day? I always assumed we have collective PTSD from the last decade.

  33. ephus

    I would like to see a lot of Copeland and White in the second half. They literally cannot do worse than the rotation players did in the first half.

  34. maxwell_3g

    er:
    Melo only had 1 bad defensive play when he gave George space on a 3….he was the only one fighting over screens remember the 2 mahimi offensive fouls and like I said b4 he was punishing George in the post. It’s all pointless tho…have a good evening all

    forgive me for not having a lot of faith in your trained eye’s ability to follow melo defensively play after play. the reality is that the melo/ amare/ chandler pairing is historically bad on defense according to the stats. chandler has not been great. stat is awful. melo was playing better d (as was the team) early in the year, and he was given a lot of credit. he has regressed defensively. he is our team’s best player. he needs to elevate his defense once again and hope the rest of the troops follow, because it sure as hell aint happening right now

  35. Brian Cronin

    I would like to see a lot of Copeland and White in the second half. They literally cannot do worse than the rotation players did in the first half.

    Yeah, I agree. Gotta give them some burn. A last second bucket to “cut” the lead to 30? Ouch.

  36. Brian Cronin

    Wow, bold move by Houston. They just traded Patrick Patterson, Toney Douglas, Marcus Morris and Cole Aldrich in a three-way deal with the Suns and Kings that landed Thomas Robinson in Houston. That is a bold ass gambit.

  37. Thomas B.

    Maybe Woodson should have one of his pep talks with the team. That was what spurred Chandler’s rebounding binge and STAT’s good play. Shump’s offense seems to be rounding into the form from last year, so I guess he is fully healthy.

  38. maxwell_3g

    Brian Cronin:
    Wow, bold move by Houston. They just traded Patrick Patterson, Toney Douglas, Marcus Morris and Cole Aldrich in a three-way deal with the Suns and Kings that landed Thomas Robinson in Houston. That is a bold ass gambit.

    i like it!!! morey believes in drafting gamles with the potential to be stars. clearly, he feels that robinson still has a chance to be a big time player. morris and patterson arent bad, but i still like it

  39. maxwell_3g

    will kidd have enough pride to retire at the end of this season??? he cant play 2 more years, right? he wouldnt stick around for 2 more years for 6 mill, would he??

  40. DRed

    The Pacers are clowning the shit out of us now. Anthony Mason must be rolling over in his grave.

    At least sit Melo down. He’s playing terrible basketball again and he could probably use the rest. Just let Brewer play the rest of the game.

  41. Owen

    That trade I don’t quite understand….

    Are all those guys due for raises or something?

    Can’t say I have seen Robinson play, but the numbers don’t look that good…..

  42. maxwell_3g

    DRed:
    The Pacers are clowning the shit out of us now.Anthony Mason must be rolling over in his grave.

    At least sit Melo down.He’s playing terrible basketball again and he could probably use the rest.Just let Brewer play the rest of the game.

    agreed. completely clowning us. lance stevenson is begging for someone on the knicks to straighten their back and push back, and no one even steps up. the only player who seems to want to compete is felton. thats why i always stick up for felton. he at least has some fight in him

  43. Brian Cronin

    will kidd have enough pride to retire at the end of this season??? he cant play 2 more years, right? he wouldnt stick around for 2 more years for 6 mill, would he??

    $6 million is a lot of money.

  44. cgreene

    Nothing frustrates me more and is more indicative of Woodson’s poor coaching than the leash that he gives JR Smith. He’s a fucking embarrassment.

  45. maxwell_3g

    and then jr quits. he cheap shots stevenson with an elbow and then gets tossed arguing with the refs. at no point has it occured to JR that stevenson (as annoying as he is) is outhustling him

  46. Z-man

    So here is the MO on the Knicks now:

    They can’t shoot
    They can’t defend the 3-pt line
    They can’t defend the rim
    They can’t defend the mid-range shot
    They can’t stop penetration
    They don’t get back on D in transition
    They can’t rebound
    They are a bad free throw shooting team
    They have no heart
    They get easily rattled

    Other than that, we look like title contenders!

  47. johnlocke

    En este momento, no es un bueno tiempo para ser aficionado de los Knicks

    ephus:
    Cuando los Knicks están malos, están muy malos.

  48. johnlocke

    Switched it off 15 minutes ago, you’re a true Knick fan if you can continue to watch this garbage I guess…

    Thomas B.:
    Here is the really sad news: there are still 14 minutes left in this “game”.

  49. cgreene

    Did you guys see that play just now where Shump tried to drive fell over his own feet and kicked the ball to Novak for 3? I think it’s the best play he made all season. Awesome!

  50. ephus

    johnlocke:
    En este momento, no es un bueno tiempo para ser aficionado de los Knicks

    Wow, the best comment of this entire thread. Spectacular effort.

  51. maxwell_3g

    i need two things to happen here…
    1) shump chucks up shots and gets aggressive again
    2) cope has a successful audition for novak’s minutes

  52. maxwell_3g

    i feel that there is absolutely no reason that copeland should not be getting novak’s minutes…who’s with me????

  53. ephus

    maxwell_3g:
    i feel that there is absolutely no reason that copeland should not be getting novak’s minutes…who’s with me????

    An aversion to dreadlocks on the court? Wasn’t that the theory around here about why Balkman didn’t get more minutes?

    Any of my comments tonight take a back seat to johnlocke at #91. Drop the mic, my friend. It’s your world, I’m just living in it.

  54. Thomas B.

    If the Pacers keep beating up on Copeland, he might be forced to activate the self destruct mechanism on his wrist.

  55. jon abbey

    obviously a slew of problems, but Kidd’s morphing into Landry Fields at his worst is really not helping.

  56. maxwell_3g

    jon abbey:
    obviously a slew of problems, but Kidd’s morphing into Landry Fields at his worst is really not helping.

    im sure some will use this as evidence of a need to trade shump for reddick, but neither JJ reddick or DR J were going to help the knicks tonight. if amare, JR, Kidd, novak, etc are going to play like this, then we arent really contenders anyways and there is no need to trade youth.

  57. Juany8

    Didn’t watch the game but it looked ugly… The Knicks rotation is in shambles right now, it seems hard to believe that Kidd and Brewer just completely fell off in less than half a season, there’s a difference between regression to the mean and playing at a career worst rate. Melo seems to be pulling the Kobe move of trying to play through injuries, it didn’t work last year and it’s certainly not working this year, even if the team desperately needs him. Amar’e has also fallen back to crap after a hot start.

    Perhaps worst of all is JR, who looked incredible for a couple of months, playing well beyond just the hot shooting. Now he’s doing the worst possible impression of hero ball. This is purely speculative, but the Knicks just don’t look like they’re gelling the way they were early in the season. I know a few people will say it was hot shooting, but the Knicks were constantly getting open looks pretty much every possession. Now they can’t get open against anybody besides Melo pretty much scoring 40 points every night like it’s the freaking playoffs. I haven’t completely lost hope, but this team needs to freshen up the back end of the roster in some way if it wants to keep a top 3 seed, much less contend

  58. BigBlueAL

    Nets on the verge of sweeping a home-and-home vs the Bucks. Winning the division all of a sudden might not be a lock for the Knicks.

  59. jon abbey

    flossy:
    Wow, Kyrie Irving is the truth

    thinking more and more LeBron is going to join him in Cleveland, and I really hope it’s after publishing a public note saying that he’ll sign in Cleveland if and only if Gilbert sells the team, and he does it in Comic Sans. :)

  60. Owen

    Is that a thing? Lebron to Cleveland?

    Getting my Larry Sanders qoutient this week…..

    Just going to pretend tonight didn’t happen…..

  61. maxwell_3g

    jon abbey: thinking more and more LeBron is going to join him in Cleveland, and I really hope it’s after publishing a public note saying that he’ll sign in Cleveland if and only if Gilbert sells the team, and he does it in Comic Sans. :)

    i will be the first one pointing out the irony that he jumped to wade’s team and the jumped back to irving’s team. afraid to stand on his own. yeah, i dont like lebron much

  62. flossy

    BigBlueAL: Gonna be fun watching him and LeBron playing together after next season.

    I hope not, I’m counting on him coming to NY as a free agent in 2015!

  63. Juany8

    In other news, Harden just broke the efficiency scale. I know Lebron had his awesome streak recently, but you can’t put up Harden’s game in video games. Jeremy Lin showing signs of life too, hopefully the Robinson trade turns out well to shore up the very weak PF rotation the Rockets have used this season

  64. BigBlueAL

    HOLY CRAP!! Harden had 48 pts on 19 FGA!! Not to mention 8 reb and 6 ast. Lin also had an excellent game too as the Rockets beat the Thunder tonight.

  65. flossy

    flossy:
    Um, Harden dropped 44 on OKC.Wow.

    Sorry, 46. 46, 8 and 6. Lin with 29, 8 and 6. Durant can’t shoot but gets a triple double in the loss. Must have been an insane game.

  66. jon abbey

    maxwell_3g: i will be the first one pointing out the irony that he jumped to wade’s team and the jumped back to irving’s team.afraid to stand on his own.yeah, i dont like lebron much

    no one cares anymore, and no one in the history of the NBA has ever “stood on their own” to a title. it’s not his fault that the CLE management sucked so badly while he was there, and it’s not like CLE is exactly a title contender without him.

  67. ruruland

    You know, it’s really interesting. Back in 08-09 when the Nuggets went on their WCF run (and should have beaten the Lakers), right about this time of year they had gotten off to a 34-16 record, one of the best marks in the league, and were widely considered the surprise team in the NBA.

    And then they went 4-9.

    Included in those 9 losses were a 44 point loss to the Nets, 17 to the Bulls, 37 to the Celtics and a series of 5-10 point defeats to .500-ish teams, including the Pacers on the road (a team three of the last 4 50+ win Nuggets teams have been down by as many as 30 points on the road, winning once. Two years ago the Nuggets gave up a 50 point quarter to Indiana).

    During that time, there was all the talk on Nuggets boards that you’re seeing on Knicks boards right now.

    That Nuggets team finished the season 14-3.

  68. BigBlueAL

    The Nets blogs/fans/beat writers are all coming out of the woods now on Twitter excited as hell that they are only 1 game behind the Knicks.

  69. maxwell_3g

    ruruland:
    You know, it’s really interesting. Back in 08-09 when the Nuggets went on their WCF run (and should have beaten the Lakers), right about this time of year they had gotten off to a 34-16 record, one of the best marks in the league, and were widely considered the surprise team in the NBA.

    And then they went 4-9.

    Included in those 9 losses were a 44 point loss to the Nets, 17 to the Bulls, 37 to the Celtics and a series of 5-10 point defeats to .500-ish teams, including the Pacers on the road (a team three of the last 4 50+ win Nuggets teams have been down by as many as 30 points on the road, winning once. Two years ago the Nuggets gave up a 50 point quarter to Indiana).

    During that time, there was all the talk on Nuggets boards that you’re seeing on Knicks boards right now.

    That Nuggets team finished the season 14-3.

    was their median age 36?

  70. BigBlueAL

    ruruland:
    You know, it’s really interesting. Back in 08-09 when the Nuggets went on their WCF run (and should have beaten the Lakers), right about this time of year they had gotten off to a 34-16 record, one of the best marks in the league, and were widely considered the surprise team in the NBA.

    And then they went 4-9.

    Included in those 9 losses were a 44 point loss to the Nets, 17 to the Bulls, 37 to the Celtics and a series of 5-10 point defeats to .500-ish teams, including the Pacers on the road (a team three of the last 4 50+ win Nuggets teams have been down by as many as 30 points on the road, winning once. Two years ago the Nuggets gave up a 50 point quarter to Indiana).

    During that time, there was all the talk on Nuggets boards that you’re seeing on Knicks boards right now.

    That Nuggets team finished the season 14-3.

    Gotta admit, dunno how you can maintain this amount of optimism after games like tonight considering you are talking about a team/franchise that hasnt won a playoff series in 13 years.

    I used to feel this way about teams like the 1994-95 Knicks who started out 12-12 (then finished 43-15) or the 1999-00 Knicks who started out 11-9 w/o Ewing and after playing great once he returned they blew the division down the stretch to the Heat (reached Conference Finals by sweeping 1st round and beating Heat in semis). But of course those teams had gone to the NBA Finals the season before so there was reason to have faith in them.

    I still have faith in this team because I dont believe the other teams in the East are good enough to knock them down below a 3 seed but barring a trade by tomorrow’s deadline its getting harder and harder to stay optimistic about how good this team is unless we start seeing better results on the court.

  71. knicknyk

    Jeremy Lin since December 1 per 36 mins: 15.4/6.8/3.5/2 on 46%/35%/78% & on 20.8% USG. Obviously Lin is all healthy now & has his legs back under him.

  72. bockadoo

    What exactly has happened to JKidd. Is he hurt? He played so well early on, now he is ridiculously bad. We cannot win anything without him playing competitively. He made the offense hum. Ronnie Brewer. Good now pathetic. JR Smith same thing. Felton same thing. Shump is scoring 2 freaking points as a starting 2 or 3, whatever he is. He is not ready to start yet. Melo gets a pass for now because he’s carried us all year. Camby has played 5 minutes the whole year. Wallace is hurt. Why is this franchise so snakebit? Why does something like this happen every year? Why oh why oh why?

  73. Hubert Davis

    We beat the Bulls by 37 in ’93 & they were ok.

    Wait, remembering that doesn’t help.

    “This ship be sinking” be right, and we’re committed to it for another 2 years. All the Jeremy Lin supporters who had to eat crow after 18-5 are going to start coming out soon.

  74. DRed

    How did Prigs look in the second half? I see he finished with 8 assists. I don’t understand why he’s not playing more while Kidd can’t hit a shot at all.

  75. ruruland

    BigBlueAL: Gotta admit, dunno how you can maintain this amount of optimism after games like tonight considering you are talking about a team/franchise that hasnt won a playoff series in 13 years.

    I used to feel this way about teams like the 1994-95 Knicks who started out 12-12 (then finished 43-15) or the 1999-00 Knicks who started out 11-9 w/o Ewing and after playing great once he returned they blew the division down the stretch to the Heat (reached Conference Finals by sweeping 1st round and beating Heat in semis).But of course those teams had gone to the NBA Finals the season before so there was reason to have faith in them.

    I still have faith in this team because I dont believe the other teams in the East are good enough to knock them down below a 3 seed but barring a trade by tomorrow’s deadline its getting harder and harder to stay optimistic about how good this team is unless we start seeing better results on the court.

    Just wait. Every fan base reacts the same way after a stretch like this, regardless of what the data or anything else says.

    I’m as confident in this as I was in a major run last year when this place was a morgue, and as confident as I was before the season started.

    Every 50 win team I’ve closely followed had an extended stretch of mediocrity where fans wanted to blow the team up.

    This Knicks teams is likely better than all of those teams.

    Stick with it during these times it will make the run that much sweeter. Melo and co. will not let the Knicks lose in the first round again, I promise that.

  76. Brian Cronin

    While I definitely agree that the ship is not sinking and this is almost assuredly just a bad stretch by a good team (while the 18-5 stretch was similarly a great stretch by a good team), I don’t get the whole “Melo won’t let them lose” thing. I certainly don’t blame Melo for all of his first round losses, as losses are team efforts, of course, but it just seems weird to posit that he won’t let them lose in the first round when he’s lost in the first round of the playoffs in eight of the nine playoffs he’s appeared in. I think that they’ll win in the first round, as well, but I think it’ll be because they will be playing a team worse than them, not because Melo willed them to win or refused to lose or anything like that.

  77. BigBlueAL

    I will say this, unlike many who have dismissed the 18-5 start I will always hold on to that stretch as something to at least keep my hopes up that they can get hot for a few games in the playoffs which would be enough to win a series against any team.

  78. ruruland

    Brian Cronin:
    While I definitely agree that the ship is not sinking and this is almost assuredly just a bad stretch by a good team (while the 18-5 stretch was similarly a great stretch by a good team), I don’t get the whole “Melo won’t let them lose” thing. I certainly don’t blame Melo for all of his first round losses, as losses are team efforts, of course, but it just seems weird to posit that he won’t let them lose in the first round when he’s lost in the first round of the playoffs in eight of the nine playoffs he’s appeared in. I think that they’ll win in the first round, as well, but I think it’ll be because they will be playing a team worse than them, not because Melo willed them to win or refused to lose or anything like that.

    4 of those teams made the finals, 6 made the conference championship.

    The Knicks are unlikely to face a superior team in the first two round, and what I’m telling you is that Melo is not going to let the Knicks lose to one of those teams.

    The Knicks could lose to Miami or Chicago in the east, that’s it.

  79. jon abbey

    ruruland:

    The Knicks could lose to Miami or Chicago in the east, that’s it.

    yeah, no way they could lose to Indiana. come on, man.

    in the meantime, it doesn’t especially matter what Melo wants. if Kidd doesn’t come back to life and JR doesn’t wake up, this team is pretty much fucked.

  80. Brian Cronin

    4 of those teams made the finals, 6 made the conference championship.

    The Knicks are unlikely to face a superior team in the first two round, and what I’m telling you is that Melo is not going to let the Knicks lose to one of those teams.

    The Knicks could lose to Miami or Chicago in the east, that’s it.

    You know I’m with you in round one. For round two, it really does help that it seems like there is a good chance that the Knicks and Bulls won’t be in the same bracket (having the Knicks’ two worst matchups play each other in the second round would be sweet) but it is way too early to be too confident about that, no? Are you really that confident that the Knicks won’t fall to #4? Or that the Bulls won’t rise to #2 or #3?

  81. jon abbey

    I have plenty of respect for ruru, but that statement is not even worth analyzing/discussing. they could lose to Indiana (are we just ignoring tonight’s beatdown?), they could lose to Boston, they could lose to the Nets. honestly, they could lose to Toronto in a seven game series right now.

  82. Brian Cronin

    Oh yeah, obviously they could lose to Indiana, Brooklyn or Boston (or even Atlanta and Milwaukee). I just think that I’d put them as solid favorites against Brooklyn, Boston, Atlanta and Milwaukee and I still think they’re a better team than Indiana (if not by a lot). I think Chicago and Miami, though, would be favored against the Knicks. So I still think avoiding either of those two teams in the second round would be very important.

    But sure, I could see the argument to be made that the Knicks should not even worry about the second round and just concentrate on getting past the first. Personally, a second round loss is fine by me. I’d be happy with that. I just want to see a first round win. The last time they won a round was just waaaaaaay too long ago.

  83. BigBlueAL

    ruruland: 4 of those teamsmade the finals, 6 made the conference championship.

    The Knicks are unlikely to face a superior team in the first two round, and what I’m telling you is that Melo is not going to let the Knicks lose to one of those teams.

    The Knicks could lose to Miami or Chicago in the east, that’s it.

    You wanna lament about losing to good teams in the playoffs?? How about having to watch you favorite team lose to the eventual NBA champion for 5 straight seasons (1990-1994) and doing so twice in the semis, once in the conf finals and once in the NBA Finals (in 7 games at that). Also losing 5 different times to Michael Jordan in the playoffs. To make matters even more frustrating they lost to him 3 times in the semis (went 7 games once) and the ultimate dagger lost to him in the conf finals while having the homecourt advantage and being up 2-0 in the series.

    Now thats something to lament about!! lol

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