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Friday, April 18, 2014

124 comments on “2012-13 Game Thread: Knicks @ Mavs

  1. JK47

    Nice little contribution by Sheed there. 3 defensive rebounds, a steal and a block in a minute of court time.

  2. massive

    The 2nd quarter offense is too J.R. centric. That’s going to kill his and the team’s efficiencies.

  3. johnlocke

    Usually (not coincidentally) some of the hottest –and most scantily clad — at the game

    Frank O.: I love the ladies behind the benches. They’re basically watching the benches, mostly.

  4. johnlocke

    There was a Grantland article about the skip passing ability of Melo — passing to someone other than the entry passer when he’s double teamed — puts more pressure on defensive rotations

    Nick C.: Nice vision by Melo and open three for Sheed.

  5. Nick C.

    He always seems to make strong accurate passes with the ball held above his head.

    johnlocke:
    There was a Grantland article about the skip passing ability of Melo — passing to someone other than the entry passer when he’s double teamed — puts more pressure on defensive rotations

  6. JK47

    The Knicks just aren’t playing their game. They’re turning the ball over and they’re allowing all sorts of uncontested jumpers.

  7. Juany8

    Guys it’s a road back to back against a mediocre team. I bet the last 6 minutes the Knicks blow the Mavericks away, it’s what good teams do to deal with the grind of a season. OJ Mayo is also shooting out his ass

  8. Juany8

    Side Note from the Rockets-Bulls: Nate Robinson is a boss. Also Toney Douglas is finishing over Jeremy Lin for some reason, Lin was just playing a few minutes ago.

  9. Juany8

    Novak has been really, really bad this year. I hope he picks it up at some point, so far he’s been the clear cut worst player on the team

  10. BigBlueAL

    Didnt care about the Memphis loss but if they lose this game it would definitely be the first stupid loss of the season.

  11. Thomas B. Post author

    Back to back games on the road are really hard to win even for good teams. But if you aren’t going to close out on shooters, you have no shot.

    Besides the defense, there is a lot of Anthony forcing things.

  12. Count de Pennies

    Frank O.:
    Knicks look tired

    Given the age of this team, I suspect this will continue to be an issue on the second night of back to backs throughout the season.

  13. Juany8

    Cmon guys Vince Carter is playing like it’s 2001, sometimes these games just happen, and it’s not quite over yet…

  14. BigBlueAL

    llcoolbp:
    All of you who think they are better without stat, take a long hard look at this game. They really could use his offense tonight.

    Offense has not been a problem at all tonight. They are shooting 50% from the floor and have hit 14 threes.

  15. Thomas B. Post author

    llcoolbp:
    All of you who think they are better without stat, take a long hard look at this game. They really could use his offense tonight.

    The problem is defense, which by the way is STAT’s biggest problem.

  16. Juany8

    If you gave Lebron and Wade the shots Mayo and Carter have been making, they would probably do worse on most nights. The Knicks could play this same game 10 other times and win 9, sometimes teams just make shots, it’s nothing to freak out about

  17. Thomas B. Post author

    Somebody said Anthony gets less respect from the refs than any star in the league. I think that play is the best example of that. Wow.

  18. Frank O.

    Melo got screwed on that call. But not sure he should have tried that shot.
    He seems out of sync tonight

  19. Juany8

    This game is why teams don’t win 60 games often. You can literally outplay another team and just lose because of officiating, shooting, random bounces, etc… If you took a video of every shot Carter and Mayo took while it was in the air, I laugh at how fucking terrible they played. These are TERRIBLE shots by Carter, a bad player on a good day. These are the kind of shots teams don’t want.

    And they’re only down 1! The Knicks would be blowing out the Mavs in the past 7-8 minutes if it wasn’t because of ridiculous shot making on truly bad shots you hope to see the other team take. You want Vince Carter trying to beat you

  20. Thomas B. Post author

    Anthony must be having sex with the daughter of one of these refs. That’s the only explanation for this.

  21. BigBlueAL

    Stuoid, stupid shot by Melo. Shouldve run a pick-n-roll with Felton and Chandler, a Melo Iso vs Marion was not the way to go.

  22. Frank O.

    Little too much hero ball tonight. Unfocused.
    Couple bad calls also.
    It’ll happen. But this should have been a W.
    Happy Thanksgiving to you all!

  23. rohank

    This was ridiculous on so many levels. Where was the defense, and at least 4 MAJOR calls against the Knicks that really decided it.

  24. johnlocke

    Ah yes, that is really retarded. I can’t believe that decision would get made in professional basketball. You have NO timeouts. You need to leave yourself time if you miss the shot to get another good look… RETARDED if the coaching staff actually drew that up and stupid of them not to point it out. Stupid, stupid losss

    BigBlueAL: Also when you are down 1 with the ball you dont milk the clock to take the final shot.

  25. Juany8

    Both the Knicks losses this season have been on the second night of road back to backs. They’ve also involved some utterly baffling refereeing in favor of the other team, to the point that Melo has faced serious foul trouble in both losses. I guess the Knicks aren’t that good a team on the second night of back to backs when Melo is in foul trouble. Considering Miami just needed OT to beat the Bucks at home, I’m going to go ahead and repeat that these games happen to every team

  26. d-mar

    Did Woodson really tell them to run the clock down to 5 seconds? I love him as a coach, but that’s coaching 101, when you’re down 1, you take the first available shot and if you miss, foul. And with 24 seconds left, you could do that 3 or 4 times. Unfathomable that they would let the clock tick away like that

  27. BigBlueAL

    Juany8:
    Both the Knicks losses this season have been on the second night of road back to backs. They’ve also involved some utterly baffling refereeing in favor of the other team, to the point that Melo has faced serious foul trouble in both losses. I guess the Knicks aren’t that good a team on the second night of back to backs when Melo is in foul trouble. Considering Miami just needed OT to beat the Bucks at home, I’m going to go ahead and repeat that these games happen to every team

    Normally I wouldnt give a shit about a loss like tonight but expectations have risen now so stupid losses like this should not be accepted. It was a game they had no business losing.

    Doesnt mean the team sucks now and their record is a fluke. Actually I like this feeling of losing a road game to a decent West team and being pissed about it because it shouldnt have happened. Its nice to get pissed at losses because it could down the line cost them a Top 2 or 3 seed instead of a 7/8 seed lol

  28. jon abbey

    Melo got a few bad calls, especially late, but he didn’t look right all game. the interior D was horrendous, Novak continues to be pretty much worthless, and I honestly did not think Vince Carter had any more games like that left in him.

    on to Houston…

  29. Z-man

    Not surprised we lost, Dallas is better than people think and we got exposed a bit for being on our high horse. If we win on friday, this was OK.

  30. nicos

    Juany8:
    Novak has been really, really bad this year. I hope he picks it up at some point, so far he’s been the clear cut worst player on the team

    That’s two straight 0 rebound, 0 assist, 0 steals, 0 blocks nights for Novak.

  31. nicos

    BigBlueAL:
    Stuoid, stupid shot by Melo.Shouldve run a pick-n-roll with Felton and Chandler, a Melo Iso vs Marion was not the way to go.

    They had three three point plays in the 4th quarter alone on the pnr- Chandler had Vince Carter on him! You had more than enough time to try and get something in the pnr and then kick to melo for an iso if nothing’s there.

  32. BigBlueAL

    nicos: They had three three point plays in the 4th quarter alone on the pnr- Chandler had Vince Carter on him!You had more than enough time to try and get something in the pnr and then kick to melo for an iso if nothing’s there.

    Yeah I mean trust me I have no problems with Melo taking the final shot, even if it is with him going one-on-one vs Marion. But there was 24 secs left in the game, no need to milk the clock and have Melo try to bail them out.

  33. ruruland

    jon abbey:
    Melo got a few bad calls, especially late, but he didn’t look right all game. the interior D was horrendous, Novak continues to be pretty much worthless, and I honestly did not think Vince Carter had any more games like that left in him.

    on to Houston…

    Dead legs for everyone but Felton, Chandler and Kidd- they were all amazing. Pretty standard on b2b on road for most teams.

    Low energy dead legs leads to terrible defense. Wasn’t enough in 4th quarter even with shot making. Dallas played very weel against us again.

    Nothing to really think or worry about. These losses are built in to the schedule. Wins on the road against above average teams on b2b are always found money.

    Have to get Houston though and I’d be very surprised if the effort wasn’t much better from guys like Melo and Brewer.

  34. Brian Cronin

    Not surprised we lost, Dallas is better than people think and we got exposed a bit for being on our high horse. If we win on friday, this was OK.

    I agree that it was not a particularly bad loss (Dallas being not a bad team and playing at home and the game being the second night of a back-to-back) but I don’t know if I agree about the “high horse” comment. Did you see something in tonight’s game that suggested to you that the Knicks were playing cocky? I didn’t see anything like that myself.

  35. ruruland

    BigBlueAL: Yeah I mean trust me I have no problems with Melo taking the final shot, even if it is with him going one-on-one vs Marion.But there was 24 secs left in the game, no need to milk the clock and have Melo try to bail them out.

    I think it was right call. Extended game favors fresher, more energetic team.

    Go for the win there, Melo’s buried a couple of game-winners on Marion before. 43 on him with the gamewinner a few year back. They’ve had good battles and it seems like Marion has gotten Melo on b2b a lot the last few years. Good defense though, Melo looked hesitant to go all the way giving the fact he’d have to give up a limb to get a whistle.

  36. ruruland

    Thomas B.:
    He had Marion on his hip, why stop going to the basket?!Am I wrong?

    You did see that on the previous Melo iso he burned marion and got clubbed across the face for the steal by the great Dallas defense, right?

  37. massive

    I stilll don’t understand how Chris Kaman can drive a closed hand into Carmelo Anthony’s face and not be called for a foul.

  38. jon abbey

    stupid by Woodson to cut down the rotation on the second night of a back to back also.

    Kidd was incredible: that was only the second time since 1985 that someone had 5 steals, 5 assists, 5 made 3s, 5 boards, and no turnovers (Paul George last year, amusingly also in Dallas).

  39. ruruland

    BigBlueAL: Normally I wouldnt give a shit about a loss like tonight but expectations have risen now so stupid losses like this should not be accepted.It was a game they had no business losing.

    Doesnt mean the team sucks now and their record is a fluke.Actually I like this feeling of losing a road game to a decent West team and being pissed about it because it shouldnt have happened.Its nice to get pissed at losses because it could down the line cost them a Top 2 or 3 seed instead of a 7/8 seed lol

    You realize that this was not a stupid game to lose, that Dallas is a solid team, espicially at home, and especially with a hot tub Vince Carter and Mayo playing the best ball of his career.

    They’re the four seed and a very dangerous playoff team when healthy.

    AGain, the very basi arithmetic to win 60 games

    90% against bad teams. Knicks record thus far against bad teams 2-0

    70% against average teams. Knicks 3-1

    50% against good teams. Knicks 3-1

    With six of ten games on road Knicks are way ahead of schedule.

  40. yellowboy90

    The Anti-Melo campaign by the refs is getting concerning. I get they are calling it closer but Melo is taking shots to the head and still no call. He goes in the lane fine and comes back out with his headband crooked.

  41. ruruland

    jon abbey:
    stupid by Woodson to cut down the rotation on the second night of a back to back also.

    Kidd was incredible: that was only the second time since 1985 that someone had 5 steals, 5 assists, 5 made 3s, 5 boards, and no turnovers (Paul George last year, amusingly also in Dallas).

    He was truly incredible. Wondering if it rubbed off on Vince because, as you mentioned, it;s been years since I’ve seen Vince play that well.

    If he has a resurgence year, that team will upset someone deep in the playoffs with Vince back.

    They’ve got the penetrating guards, defenders, rugged bigs, and more sooting around Dirk than they’ve had in a long time.

  42. nicos

    ruruland: You did see that on the previous Melo iso he burned marion and got clubbed across the face for the steal by the great Dallas defense, right?

    It looked like Marion had a clean block from behind before Kamen clocked him but you have to blow the whistle if a guy gets hit in the chops. Worse was the charge call on Melo’s 180. And if you’re going to call Melo for three charges, you better send him to the line more than eight times because he’s taking contact all the time.

  43. daJudge

    What was the line on this game, just wondering. Way too much referee intervention in general and a horrible offensive foul call against Melo at the end. How could any trained ref make that call in good faith unless he’s trained sideways? Just crazy. Nevertheless, the last play by Melo was ill-conceived and poorly executed. There were so many better options. Don’t really get that either, particularly if this coach really controls the team. A crappy one-on-one shot against Marion with mismatches abounding all over. Come on. I’m not saying that there were not other major issues. The Knicks perimeter defense sucked and there were no adjustments. I thought JR was sub par. Novak? This was the worst played game by the Knicks this year and maybe they are, as some say, simply regressing to the mean. I hope not.

  44. ruruland

    yellowboy90:
    The Anti-Melo campaign by the refs is getting concerning. I get they are calling it closer but Melo is taking shots to the head and still no call. He goes in the lane fine and comes back out with his headband crooked.

    Isn’t hard to not think that there is something going on?

    Foul attempts, contrary to what a few observed a week ago, are up from last season.

    I don’t know how you handle that. You’ve got to start lobbying officials early before the game.

    I think a good GM sends film to the league. Rex Chapman did that once with Melo.

    I will say, if there is something going, it could be Melo’s relationship with a lot of these guys. He could be at fault for some of it.

  45. ruruland

    nicos: It looked like Marion had a clean block from behind before Kamen clocked him but you have to blow the whistle if a guy gets hit in the chops.Worse was the charge call on Melo’s 180.And if you’re going to call Melo for three charges, you better send him to the line more than eight times because he’s taking contact all the time.

    I’m going to try to find out if something is going on or if someone has an idea of what the hell is going on because it’s insane.

    Knicks fans aren’t the only ones noticing.

  46. ruruland

    daJudge:
    What was the line on this game, just wondering.Way too much referee intervention in general and a horrible offensive foul call against Melo at the end.How could any trained ref make that call in good faith unless he’s trained sideways?Just crazy.Nevertheless, the last play by Melo was ill-conceived and poorly executed.There were so many better options. Don’t really get that either, particularly if this coach really controls the team.A crappy one-on-one shot against Marion with mismatches abounding all over.Come on.I’m not saying that there were not other major issues.The Knicks perimeter defense sucked and there were no adjustments.I thought JR was sub par. Novak? This was the worst played game by the Knicks this year and maybe they are, as some say, simply regressing to the mean.I hope not.

    Chandler has never demonstrated the ability to be a mismatch against an opponent.

    Melo is the best last second shot maker in the entire league and has been for a decade. No way the ball isn’t in his hands in a 1-1 situation.

  47. BigBlueAL

    Knicks havent had a player get a generous whistle and superstar treatment from the refs since Ewing. Also Hubert Davis for one memorable play lol

  48. yellowboy90

    ruruland: You realize that this was not a stupid game to lose, that Dallas is a solid team, espicially at home, and especially with a hot tub Vince Carter and Mayo playing the best ball of his career.

    They’re the four seed and a very dangerous playoff team when healthy.

    AGain, the very basi arithmetic to win 60 games

    90% against bad teams. Knicks record thus far against bad teams 2-0

    70% against average teams. Knicks 3-1

    50% against good teams. Knicks 3-1

    With six of ten games on road Knicks are way ahead of schedule.

    It’s a stupid lose to me because this game could have been over early of the Knicks would have buckled down. It’s not something to get upset about but its one that got away.

  49. ruruland

    Juany8:
    This game is why teams don’t win 60 games often. You can literally outplay another team and just lose because of officiating, shooting, random bounces, etc… If you took a video of every shot Carter and Mayo took while it was in the air, I laugh at how fucking terrible they played. These are TERRIBLE shots by Carter, a bad player on a good day. These are the kind of shots teams don’t want.

    And they’re only down 1! The Knicks would be blowing out the Mavs in the past 7-8 minutes if it wasn’t because of ridiculous shot making on truly bad shots you hope to see the other team take. You want Vince Carter trying to beat you

    vince carter and mayo are notorious bad shot makers.

    60 wins means 22 losses. 22 losses means you have 4-5 bad losses built in. Knicks don’t have a bad loss yet.

  50. ruruland

    yellowboy90: It’s a stupid lose to me because this game could have been over early of the Knicks would have buckled down. It’s not something to get upset about but its one that got away.

    The Mavs shot through many of the instances the Knicks tried to buckle down.

    95% of NBA teams get blown out on a night they play a good team shooting the ball as the Mavs were.

  51. BigBlueAL

    Everybody talking about how good the Mavs shot but the Knicks actually shot better. They shot 50.6% from the floor compared to the Mavs 49.4 and were 15-31 from 3pt range compared to the Mavs shooting 13-29.

    Problem was Knicks actually committed 1 more turnover than Dallas plus the Mavs had 6 more offensive rebounds than the Knicks.

    So it just as easy to say the Mavs shouldve gotten blown out thanks to the Knicks shooting as it is to say the Knicks shouldnt have been in the game thanks to the Mavs hot shooting.

  52. daJudge

    You can still move the ball even if it is in your hand for that moment. There is no Manifest Destiny, although I think some athletes believe there is. If he passed the ball inside, no one with a brain would second guess him. It was not JJ, it was Chandler with a mismatch, and others. You say so much stuff that makes great sense, but Jesus Ruru, it was a crappy play. You lose credibility when you over rationalize. I love Melo, but this isn’t the Church of the Fonz. While I should not have to say this, I am not blaming H-M for the game. Sorry to be snarky, but really…

    ruruland: No way the ball isn’t in his hands in a 1-1 situation.

  53. ruruland

    For example, 12 of the Spurs 37 losses the last two years have been on the second night of a b2b on the road.

    If you go .500 on the road on b2b, you are probably a great team.

    I believe winning % drops something like 25% for all teams in b2b scenario.

    The Knicks need to win 90+% of their games agaist teams off a b2b. They’ve yet to play a team coming into that situation.

    Knicks only have 4 more b2b road games on the schedule all very challenging: Brooklyn, Miami, Portland, Atlanta.

    If Knicks go 2-2 in those games that portends extremely well. They can lose all 4 and be fine.

    Lakers losing to Sacramento on b2b lol.

  54. ruruland

    BigBlueAL:
    Everybody talking about how good the Mavs shot but the Knicks actually shot better.They shot 50.6% from the floor compared to the Mavs 49.4 and were 15-31 from 3pt range compared to the Mavs shooting 13-29.

    Problem was Knicks actually committed 1 more turnover than Dallas plus the Mavs had 6 more offensive rebounds than the Knicks.

    So it just as easy to say the Mavs shouldve gotten blown out thanks to the Knicks shooting as it is to say the Knicks shouldnt have been in the game thanks to the Mavs hot shooting.

    You can make the argument that the hot shooting cancelled itself out. The difference to me was energy and how Dallas attacked a weak Knicks defense and how Dallas put more pressure on the ball and screening action.

  55. ruruland

    daJudge:
    You can still move the ball even if it is in your hand for that moment. There is no Manifest Destiny, although I think some athletes believe there is.If he passed the ball inside, no one with a brain would second guess him.It was not JJ, it was Chandler with a mismatch, and others. You say so much stuff that makes great sense, but Jesus Ruru, it was a crappy play.You lose credibility when you over rationalize. I love Melo, but this isn’t the Church of the Fonz.While I should not have to say this, I am not blaming H-M for the game.Sorry to be snarky, but really…

    I get the frustration, but how is Chandler taking advantage of any mismatch outside of rebounding over it?

    You want him shooting over a guard? I don’t think he’s shown a post move this year. Is that what you’re thinking of?

    I could see going to the high pnr, but again, we’re talking about a guy who has a chance to be the greatest last second shot maker of all-time.

    If you had seen all of the gamewinners I’ve seen him make, you’d know that him with a ball in a 1-1 situation is a bet you take every time.

    You don’t get better than 50% odds, and that’s about Melo’s success rate since he came into the league.

  56. BigBlueAL

    “I could see going to the high pnr, but again, we’re talking about a guy who has a chance to be the greatest last second shot maker of all-time.”

    The greatest last second shot maker of all-time except for Michael Jordan I think you meant to type :-)

  57. ruruland

    BigBlueAL:
    “I could see going to the high pnr, but again, we’re talking about a guy who has a chance to be the greatest last second shot maker of all-time.”

    The greatest last second shot maker of all-time except for Michael Jordan I think you meant to type :-)

    Purely by percentages, I’m quite sure Melo has a higher career % than Jordan or Bird. Now, only one of Melo’s game winners came in the playoffs (dallas ’09 in a back nd forth with Dirk).

    I’d never make the argument he’more clutch than those guys who simply dominated 4th quarters against great teams, but he’s pretty damn clutch, and he’s incredible with the final shot.

  58. BigBlueAL

    I remember when MJ retired in 1999 NBA.com posted videos of all his game-winning shots, must have been close to 30 of them. I hadnt seen a decent amount of them too, a bunch of true buzzer beaters from the regular season that I had rarely seen in highlights. Plus he made a couple as a Wizard too.

  59. ruruland

    BigBlueAL:
    I remember when MJ retired in 1999 NBA.com posted videos of all his game-winning shots, must have been close to 30 of them.I hadnt seen a decent amount of them too, a bunch of true buzzer beaters from the regular season that I had rarely seen in highlights.Plus he made a couple as a Wizard too.

    Purely by volume, I’d guess he’d probably have most.

    MDA actually just said this in his postgame, his second game on the sideline D’Antoni: “The first half might have been the worst basketball I’ve seen in 10 years.”

    You ever hear Woodson throw his players under the bus like that? You’ll notice Woodson takes responsibility for not putting his players in position to make plays, as he says.

    Has an NBA coach ever throw his team under the bus in his second fucking game, when he had more than a few practices?

  60. nicos

    Ironic that Felton and Chandler’s best pnr offensive game was probably their worst game defending it- especially in the first half when Felton struggled to keep Collison in front of him and Chandler was really passive defending the rim.

  61. ruruland

    You know what’s interesting about MDA’s comments is that the Lakers defense was actually pretty decent in the first half. He had to have been talking about the offense, where Kobe was isolating all over the place. And yes, clearly he was talking about the offense, I just saw the rest of the postgame and he’s talking about”showtime.”

    Suddenly all of these comments about him wanting to come back when nash comes back doesn’t seem so tongue-in-cheek, just as the “ride Lin” comments weren’t last season.

    Guy is a cancer. The Nash/MDA Kobe split is inevitable, and it’s going to be a spectacular implosion whenever it happens the next two years.

  62. jon abbey

    this is one thing I worry about with this team, especially until Shumpert is back: young athletic guards beating them up and down the floor. if there’s a way that makes sense to get Brewer on Harden most of the time on Friday, that would be welcome.

  63. jon abbey

    ruruland:
    You know what’s interesting about MDA’s comments is that the Lakers defense was actually pretty decent in the first half. He had to have been talking about the offense, where Kobe was isolating all over the place. And yes, clearly he was talking about the offense, I just saw the rest of the postgame and he’s talking about”showtime.”

    Suddenly all of these comments about him wanting to come back when nash comes back doesn’t seem so tongue-in-cheek, just as the “ride Lin” comments weren’t last season.

    Guy is a cancer. The Nash/MDA Kobe split is inevitable, and it’s going to be a spectacular implosion whenever it happens the next two years.

    his sarcastic hyperbole definitely falls flat at times at the very least, did he forget those awful Knicks teams he coached?

  64. Brian Cronin

    Nets just lost at Golden St, the night just got a little better lol

    Awesome! Our old pal, David Lee, with a great game. Golden State has been feisty this year, even with Rush going down for the season. Barnes has helped them more than I would have imagined.

  65. jon abbey

    Brian Cronin: Awesome! Our old pal, David Lee, with a great game. Golden State has been feisty this year, even with Rush going down for the season. Barnes has helped them more than I would have imagined.

    I think Mark Jackson is one of the dumbest people connected to the NBA, but GS seems to have a lot of talent if everyone is healthy, another tough team maybe fighting for the bottom few playoff spots out West.

  66. BigBlueAL

    I love David Lee and always will but man his shooting numbers have plummeted in Golden St. Last 2 seasons his TS% was exactly the same each season at .549 and this season going into tonight it was .485!! As a Knick his lowest was .584 although alot of that can be blamed on his much higher usage% in Golden St.

  67. Brian Cronin

    I think a lot of his TS% woes are just small sample size. For instance, his TS% was at 42% just a couple of games ago. He opened the season with a 2 for 16 game, after all.

    His last five games (counting tonight):

    10 for 15
    7 for 17
    8 for 16
    8 for 15
    8 for 17

    It’s definitely fair to say, though, that they’re using him away from the basket and having him shoot a lot, so yeah, his TS% will naturally not be at the same level as when he was with the Knicks, where he played around the basket a lot (on top of the outside shot, of course – that’s been part of his game for awhile now).

    If only the Knicks knew that they would get Melo back in 2010. If they did, they could have just re-signed Lee. He would fit in well with this team (especially his rebounding). But they didn’t, so Amar’e definitely made a lot of sense at the time, as Lee is clearly more of a complimentary player while Amar’e is more of a lead player and the Knicks really needed the latter at the time.

  68. Z-man

    Brian, the “high horse” comment was about the fact that they gave up like 24 more points than their previous average and committed turnovers they haven’t been committing, I sensed a lack of urgency on both ends. Since they had an easy game and a short flight the night before, I wouldn’t blame it on dead legs. I would guess that when a team has been playing dominant basketball and winning most games going away, they are bound to have letdown games like this to remind them that you can’t relax and not do the things that have been essential to winning.

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