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Thursday, October 2, 2014

2012-13 Game Thread: Knicks @ Magic

The Knicks (22-10) won the last trip to Orlando (12-20) 99-89.  Orlando is mired in a 7 game losing streak.  While the Knicks just ended the Spurs’s 7 game win streak 100-83.

The Knicks have a pretty favorable schedule over the next month. They’ll play 1 set of consecutive road games, and only 2 back-to-backs over the next 14 games.  The Knicks need to grind out as many wins as they can right now because March is looking to be a very tough month.

Your in-game thoughts here.

87 comments on “2012-13 Game Thread: Knicks @ Magic

  1. ruruland

    I don’t think he meant it bad, but it’s mind-boggling,’’ D’Antoni said Friday after Lakers practice.

    Asked what Stoudemire meant, D’Antoni said: “Come on. He just threw [former Phoenix coach] Frank Johnson, myself, [and current Suns coach] Alvin Gentry [under the bus]. Actually, Mike Woodson, [was] he saving the good stuff? He was the defensive coach [last year]. I’ll save that until I really coach him. That doesn’t make any sense.’’

    A reporter asked how Shawn Marion and Raja Bell, also D’Antoni students, became good defenders.

    “It just boggles the mind,’’ D’Antoni said. “It just boggles the mind.’’

  2. johnlocke

    This is just too funny. Can’t make this up. While he was a bad fit with the Knicks…the ‘Antoni makes a good point

    ruruland:
    I don’t think he meant it bad, but it’s mind-boggling,’’ D’Antoni said Friday after Lakers practice.

    Asked what Stoudemire meant, D’Antoni said: “Come on. He just threw [former Phoenix coach] Frank Johnson, myself, [and current Suns coach] Alvin Gentry [under the bus]. Actually, Mike Woodson, [was] he saving the good stuff? He was the defensive coach [last year]. I’ll save that until I really coach him. That doesn’t make any sense.’’

    A reporter asked how Shawn Marion and Raja Bell, also D’Antoni students, became good defenders.

    “It just boggles the mind,’’ D’Antoni said. “It just boggles the mind.’’

  3. ruruland

    Smith, a 27 year old from New Jersey on his fourth (though he’s only actually played for three teams, he was a Chicago Bull for six days during the 2006 offseason) NBA team, has found himself in a perfect situation this year in New York. He credits Carmelo Anthony with keeping him in line a bit after acting out much of last season. “[He] definitely [speaks up off the court.] Especially to me. Last year, I had a wild streak going. I was all in the clubs and everything. This year, he told me to just calm down. Buckle down with it. I’m not so sure, a year or two years ago, if he would’ve told me that.”

    http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2013/01/05/profile-paroxysm-the-knicks-bench/

  4. ruruland

    Like Copeland, Smith doesn’t much care where or how he’s used on offense, because he knows he can contribute in a bunch of different ways. “When I got Steve [Novak] out there, I really like being in the pick-and-roll. When Steve’s not out there, I like being more of the spot-up guy, that one person that they really respect out there behind the three.” Knowing he’ll be used in a myriad of different ways has helped vary Smith’s game. He’s averaging a career-high tying 2.8 assists per game this season, many of those looking for Novak when he comes around the screen on a pick-and-roll or when he’s leading the fast break. Smith again credited Anthony with instilling more of a passing mentality in him, “He’s showing that making the extra pass and making the extreme effort on defense [helps the team]. It’s a lot easier to play [that way]. The game is just fun.”

  5. flossy

    It’s going to be pretty demoralizing for a lot of teams to try to come out strong against the Knicks starting 5 and then have JR Smith and Amar’e Stoudemire check into the game after 6 minutes.

  6. BigBlueAL

    14-2 Magic lead after 3 minutes. So much for the renewed effort of getting off to good starts lol.

  7. BigBlueAL

    Magic have the 25th best offense yet score 36 freaking points in the 1st quarter. Pathetic.

  8. maxwell_3g

    geezzuusss. i love it when JR takes it to the hole. he can be so good when he is in attack mode

  9. maxwell_3g

    what the hell. harkless is stepping out of line. you cant steal the ball from J Kidd!! i wanted it to be 10 by half, but i guess not

  10. yellowboy90

    NY held the Orl to 19 pts in the 2nd qtr playing mostly small ball. Go figure. Woody might have to go Belichek and scheme game to game/team to team.

  11. maxwell_3g

    goa;hould be to hold orl under 95 for the game. 2 reasons. 1) there is no reason they shouldnt be able to do this. 2) if they do, they win

  12. ephus

    I have mixed emotions watching Camby be useful on the court. Glad for the contribution and anger for the McDyess trade. I was at the draft that year, and I was enraged from moment one.

  13. ephus

    Great pass by ‘Melo to Brewer. He actually looked to where Brewer was, instead of just assuming he would be set up for the corner 3.

  14. maxwell_3g

    maxwell_3g:
    goa;hould be to hold orl under 95 for the game.2 reasons.1)there is no reason they shouldnt be able to do this.2)if they do, they win

    so much for that

  15. ephus

    The last Knick possession shows the potential downside of ‘Melo/Stat/Chandler. Melo had the ball on the right side and was being soft doubled. Both Stat and Chandler went to the front of the rim and were being effectively covered by Vukovich. Forced ‘Melo take a contested 2.

  16. maxwell_3g

    why is prigs going way into the lane to stop a non threat driver, leaving jameer wide open for three. the knicks do this way too much

  17. ephus

    maxwell_3g:
    why is prigs going way into the lane to stop a non threat driver, leaving jameer wide open for three.the knicks do this way too much

    Because Stat was picking him up on the PnR switch. Not an excuse, but it is an explanation.

  18. BigBlueAL

    This is some GOD awful freaking defense against a horrible offensive team who has lost 7 games in a row.

  19. BigBlueAL

    The strategy this game of allowing points in the paint left and right plus giving up wide open 3pters isnt working.

  20. maxwell_3g

    we have given up 90 points and counting in 3 quarters against a talentless team. and our coach is preaching defense. pathetic

  21. templar1984

    maxwell_3g:
    im trying to be patient, but what is stat adding again?

    Give him time, he’s still rusty. That said, he needs to look a little less lost.

  22. templar1984

    ephus:
    A strong Novak close out led to an awful 3 point attempt by Hedu.

    Everyone’s always talking about how Novak can’t play defense. I don’t even know why.

  23. templar1984

    templar1984: Everyone’s always talking about how Novak can’t play defense. I don’t even know why.

    I guess if you’re not some monster shot blocker, average 4 steals a game, or Bruce Bowen, you’re not a good defender.

  24. ephus

    templar1984: Everyone’s always talking about how Novak can’t play defense. I don’t even know why.

    Because he is really slow, rotates badly and does not have the strength to play post defense when he gets switched onto a 4 or 5. There are some things that Novak can do well on defense, when he puts in the effort. But there are others that he just does not have the athletic ability to do.

  25. maxwell_3g

    OK. we have 97 points with 5 minutes to go against a team with zeo scoring threats. this should be a blowout. our defense needs to be fixed. calling shump. shump???

  26. BigBlueAL

    Cant stop Afflalo or Nelson. At all.

    Meanwhile Melo with an amazing 3pter then a great pass to Chandler for a dunk to tie it up. If they can just got some freaking stops on D they should win this game.

  27. Gideon Zaga

    I don’t care what you guys say…Melo isolation is the most beautiful thing in the world haha

  28. templar1984

    ephus: Because he is really slow, rotates badly and does not have the strength to play post defense when he gets switched onto a 4 or 5.There are some things that Novak can do well on defense, when he puts in the effort.But there are others that he just does not have the athletic ability to do.

    Sure he’s slow, but watching the games as often as I have, I’m hard pressed to remember a night when I was thinking “Man, Novak got owned by ______” Sure, he doesn’t have a ton of athleticism, but how many guys are in the league that do have it but can’t play D?

  29. Gideon Zaga

    No wander everyone stands and watches, just too beautiful. I mean people don’t stand and watch Lebron/Durant isolations.

  30. BigBlueAL

    Also as many have noted on Twitter Melo is limping alot tonight. Not helping that he has to play crazy minutes tonight to try to pull this win out.

  31. SSS

    Are there some particularly terrible officiating calls today, or am I just getting fooled by the Knicks’ complaining?

  32. templar1984

    SSS:
    Are there some particularly terrible officiating calls today, or am I just getting fooled by the Knicks’ complaining?

    Maybe. But the Refs just made up for it with that call on McRoberts.

  33. BigBlueAL

    This 3 guard lineup is tough for the Knicks cause it is forcing Melo to cover Redick with Novk covering McRoberts. Of course in the other end McRoberts has no chance in hell of covering Melo.

  34. maxwell_3g

    bs tech on mcroberts. i miss the days where robert parish can punch rambis in the face and no one thinks its a big deal at all

  35. yellowboy90

    Melo is putting in major work chasing reddick. No wonder Novak to the T. lol. Melo rarely gives up a chance at free points but that dude must be almost on E.

  36. ephus

    templar1984: Sure he’s slow, but watching the games as often as I have, I’m hard pressed to remember a night when I was thinking “Man, Novak got owned by ______” Sure, he doesn’t have a ton of athleticism, but how many guys are in the league that do have it but can’t play D?

    As Henry Abbot pointed out on Friday (go to ESPN True Hoop for the link), Novak’s defensive synergy numbers are really good. He often goads players into taking bad shots as an on-ball defender. But Sportsvu #s show that Novak is one of the slowest players in the league, and the Knicks defensive #s go down when he is on the court. Novak helps really badly and has poor strength in the post. That does not make him a defensive black hole, but he is really bad at some things.

  37. ephus

    Great shot by Carmelo Anthony.

    Lots of teeth gnashing earlier on this board, but this is a great time to be a Knick fan.

  38. maxwell_3g

    i was against the melo trade, because i had a man crush on gallo. i stand by that position based on the melo we were getting at the time. but this melo??? there is no denying that he is a guy to acquire, ragardless pf who you trade for him. i give him credit for growing into a true superstar under the bright lights

  39. ephus

    Wow! ‘Melo draws the double team 30 feet from the basket, leaving Kidd wide open for the corner 3. ‘Melo recognizes it, swings to Smith, who swings to Kidd for the 3.

    This is a great time to be a Knick fan.

  40. BigBlueAL

    ephus:
    Great shot by Carmelo Anthony.

    Lots of teeth gnashing earlier on this board, but this is a great time to be a Knick fan.

    For me its actually fun teeth gnashing because its coming from expectations of winning rather than just watching an awful team expecting to lose like most of the past decade lol.

  41. templar1984

    ephus:
    Wow!‘Melo draws the double team 30 feet from the basket, leaving Kidd wide open for the corner 3.‘Melo recognizes it, swings to Smith, who swings to Kidd for the 3.

    This is a great time to be a Knick fan.

    Right? It’s been a long couple of years. But this feels excellent.

  42. maxwell_3g

    i was only 6 at the time, so others can probably give perspective. but i have o imagine that we are entering bernard king at his apex territory now

  43. BigBlueAL

    I was fortunate enough to be able to see Ewing put on many performances like tonight where he just wouldnt let the Knicks lose (to a certain extent Houston and Spree had some games like this too) but it really is amazing watching Melo do it because of the variety of ways he scores.

    Also his defensive effort in the 4th quarter having to cover/chase Redick the entire time was great too.

  44. ephus

    maxwell_3g:
    i was only 6 at the time, so others can probably give perspective. but i have o imagine that we are entering bernard king at his apex territory now

    I was a witness to Bernard’s greatest games, and ‘Melo is definitely nearing that territory. Bernard did not have ‘Melo’s range — I think he made only about 10 3 pointers per season. Bernard was a more ferocious finisher because he played further above the rim. But the unstoppable post moves and quick turnaround jumpers are pure Bernard.

    7 = 30!

  45. BigBlueAL

    Boston was down 15 at the half but win by 8 in Atlanta. Great, they had been playing awful but now have back-to-back wins vs Indiana and Atlanta heading into their first meeting vs the Knicks on Monday lol.

  46. ephus

    For everyone who did not get a chance to see it, here is the magic about Bernard. During the 1984 playoffs against the Boston Celtics, Bernard was far and away the best player on the court, eclipsing Hall of Famers Larry Bird (at his apex), Kevin McHale, Robert Parrish and Dennis Johnson. By the end of the series, McHale, who had bragged he was going to shut Bernard down, admitted that he was unstoppable. If Bernard had any sort of supporting cast beyond Bill Cartwright, the Knicks would have defeated the Celtics that year.

  47. jon abbey

    ephus:
    For everyone who did not get a chance to see it, here is the magic about Bernard.During the 1984 playoffs against the Boston Celtics, Bernard was far and away the best player on the court, eclipsing Hall of Famers Larry Bird (at his apex), Kevin McHale, Robert Parrish and Dennis Johnson.By the end of the series, McHale, who had bragged he was going to shut Bernard down, admitted that he was unstoppable.If Bernard had any sort of supporting cast beyond Bill Cartwright, the Knicks would have defeated the Celtics that year.

    not to mention the legendary showdown between him and Isiah in that five game first round series. that and Bird/Dominique are the best one on one playoff duels I remember as a kid.

  48. ephus

    jon abbey: not to mention the legendary showdown between him and Isiah in that five game first round series. that and Bird/Dominique are the best one on one playoff duels I remember as a kid.

    Amen.

  49. ephus

    One last distinction between Bernard and ‘Melo. Bernard played nasty and with a scowl. He always seemed furious on the court. He was the epitome of a “bad MF”. Everything that Spike Lee said about Michael Jordan in the Air Jordan commercials, he first said (as Mars Blackmon) about Bernard in She’s Gotta Have It.

    ‘Melo appears well . . . mellow. He has a grin (or grimace) plastered on his face. He seems to be more easy going (although he is clearly a hell of a competitor).

  50. BigBlueAL

    Orlando points scored by quarter tonight: 36/19/34/17

    I know this will lead credence to those who say the Knicks can play great D whenever they want but to me that makes it even more frustrating and annoying. Melo had to play 45 minutes tonight to squeak out this win. Playing such casual defense early is forcing the Knicks best players to play some major minutes and have to exert some crazy effort in the 2nd half to try to win these games.

    I liked it in the beginning when they played good D from the beginning which lead to the occasional blowouts and not needing to extend major minutes to the better players lol.

  51. AnonymousODG

    ephus:
    One last distinction between Bernard and ‘Melo.Bernard played nasty and with a scowl.He always seemed furious on the court.He was the epitome of a “bad MF”.Everything that Spike Lee said about Michael Jordan in the Air Jordan commercials, he first said (as Mars Blackmon) about Bernard in She’s Gotta Have It.

    ‘Melo appears well . . . mellow.He has a grin (or grimace) plastered on his face.He seems to be more easy going (although he is clearly a hell of a competitor).

    This observation about his mellowness makes me wonder why Melo is so short-tempered with the officials. It’s like… instead of thinking the other team’s players are the enemy, it’s the refs who are out to get him.

  52. nicos

    I thought Andrew Nicholson played pretty well in both games against the Knicks- glad he only played 14 minutes (+14) tonight. He gave Camby a real headache.

  53. jon abbey

    nicos:
    I thought Andrew Nicholson played pretty well in both games against the Knicks- glad he only played 14 minutes (+14) tonight. He gave Camby a real headache.

    yeah, I thought a bunch of Vaughn’s moves were kind of dubious, also Harkless should have played more and McRoberts less.

  54. jon abbey

    Dallas is in big trouble, OT loss at home to NO, they’re now closer to last place in the West than they are to the playoffs.

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