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		<title>By: johnlocke</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2012-13-game-thread-knicks-heat/#comment-411290</link>
		<dc:creator>johnlocke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 18:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We played good defense (which we&#039;ve been doing with and without Melo) and we hit 18 three pointers -- 18. Look at the video --fourteen of them were contested threes. You don&#039;t make fourteen contested threes in a game. If you look at the Melo game where we also crushed them by 20, we got many more open looks from three. Just watch the three point attempts from both games.. I posted a link earlier in this post.  That win was no indictment on Melo or ruru.

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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-411201&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DRed&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
Where’s ruru tonight?No hockey assists, no Kobeassists from Melo, no shot creators, and we fucking crushed a 12-4 defending champion on the road.How did that happen?


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We played good defense (which we&#8217;ve been doing with and without Melo) and we hit 18 three pointers &#8212; 18. Look at the video &#8211;fourteen of them were contested threes. You don&#8217;t make fourteen contested threes in a game. If you look at the Melo game where we also crushed them by 20, we got many more open looks from three. Just watch the three point attempts from both games.. I posted a link earlier in this post.  That win was no indictment on Melo or ruru.</p>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-411201" rel="nofollow">DRed</a></strong>:<br />
Where’s ruru tonight?No hockey assists, no Kobeassists from Melo, no shot creators, and we fucking crushed a 12-4 defending champion on the road.How did that happen?</p>
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		<title>By: ruruland</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruruland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 11:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right Juany, and enough with the they aren&#039;t playing hard meme.

Everyone will play harder in the playoffs. There are structural flaws to their team that are exposed every game. 

Still the favorites to win the East? You have to give that to them and they have the best player of all-time who can go 40-10-10 in a series. 

Is Wade fading? hard to argue no. Everyone knew it would catch up to him, a guy so reliant on his amazing explosion. I don&#039;t know the last time I&#039;ve seen his patented two-step finish from a screen and roll. 

Every once in a while he&#039;ll show flashes.

Also, the Heat&#039;s wing defenders are older than the Knicks. So, we all should laugh when people talk about age issues. Allen, Miller, Battier, Lewis... these guys are old and the Heat rely on perimeter rotations more than any team in the league. 

I said the Knicks would make it a long series with Miami in the ECF. I think that these two blowouts are the most important thing to happen all year. Psychologically, it imprints something in the collective minds of both squads that will always be returned to in another game situation.

I think the intimidation and fear is totally gone. Frankly, that was what the Heat relied on last year. They were incredible when they sensed weakness and those runs were pretty much incomparable. 

But you give the Knicks 4 chances at MSG, if they can steal one one the road. with that crowd and with core guys hungry for a ring, man, that could be really incredible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right Juany, and enough with the they aren&#8217;t playing hard meme.</p>
<p>Everyone will play harder in the playoffs. There are structural flaws to their team that are exposed every game. </p>
<p>Still the favorites to win the East? You have to give that to them and they have the best player of all-time who can go 40-10-10 in a series. </p>
<p>Is Wade fading? hard to argue no. Everyone knew it would catch up to him, a guy so reliant on his amazing explosion. I don&#8217;t know the last time I&#8217;ve seen his patented two-step finish from a screen and roll. </p>
<p>Every once in a while he&#8217;ll show flashes.</p>
<p>Also, the Heat&#8217;s wing defenders are older than the Knicks. So, we all should laugh when people talk about age issues. Allen, Miller, Battier, Lewis&#8230; these guys are old and the Heat rely on perimeter rotations more than any team in the league. </p>
<p>I said the Knicks would make it a long series with Miami in the ECF. I think that these two blowouts are the most important thing to happen all year. Psychologically, it imprints something in the collective minds of both squads that will always be returned to in another game situation.</p>
<p>I think the intimidation and fear is totally gone. Frankly, that was what the Heat relied on last year. They were incredible when they sensed weakness and those runs were pretty much incomparable. </p>
<p>But you give the Knicks 4 chances at MSG, if they can steal one one the road. with that crowd and with core guys hungry for a ring, man, that could be really incredible.</p>
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		<title>By: lavor postell</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2012-13-game-thread-knicks-heat/#comment-411232</link>
		<dc:creator>lavor postell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been &quot;elevated&quot; since the Tyson dunk to make it 109-88.  Take elevated as you would if you were watching Half Baked.  

This is the most impressive Knicks win I can remember in my lifetime.  Ball movement and assisted 3&#039;s with a sprinkinling of hero shots.  That is a recipe for success and they didn&#039;t even have to respect our significant mid-range threats in Melo who has been a beast this season and STAT who is still rehabbing.  

I know STAT&#039;s reinvolvement with the team will affect minutes, rotations, starting lineups, etc. If he can fit his game into the system and show the growth defensively he showed last year under Woodson this team can be deadly.

Spoelstra talked about the vertical threat Tyson provides before the game.  He is an absolutely integral part of our offense and one that adds a certain cutting edge to the offense in terms of how decisive his actions are. 

Felton is just a pitbull.  Always probing and attacking and today he just had it going from outside. He really seems to relish the New York across his chest.

Can&#039;t wait to see how good our defense can be once Shumpert is back and if STAT can get it going...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been &#8220;elevated&#8221; since the Tyson dunk to make it 109-88.  Take elevated as you would if you were watching Half Baked.  </p>
<p>This is the most impressive Knicks win I can remember in my lifetime.  Ball movement and assisted 3&#8242;s with a sprinkinling of hero shots.  That is a recipe for success and they didn&#8217;t even have to respect our significant mid-range threats in Melo who has been a beast this season and STAT who is still rehabbing.  </p>
<p>I know STAT&#8217;s reinvolvement with the team will affect minutes, rotations, starting lineups, etc. If he can fit his game into the system and show the growth defensively he showed last year under Woodson this team can be deadly.</p>
<p>Spoelstra talked about the vertical threat Tyson provides before the game.  He is an absolutely integral part of our offense and one that adds a certain cutting edge to the offense in terms of how decisive his actions are. </p>
<p>Felton is just a pitbull.  Always probing and attacking and today he just had it going from outside. He really seems to relish the New York across his chest.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t wait to see how good our defense can be once Shumpert is back and if STAT can get it going&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ognyc</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2012-13-game-thread-knicks-heat/#comment-411231</link>
		<dc:creator>ognyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 09:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-411201&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-411201&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DRed&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
Where’s ruru tonight?No hockey assists, no Kobeassists from Melo, no shot creators, and we fucking crushed a 12-4 defending champion on the road.How did that happen?


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On the second night of a back to back....]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-411201" rel="nofollow">DRed</a></strong>:<br />
Where’s ruru tonight?No hockey assists, no Kobeassists from Melo, no shot creators, and we fucking crushed a 12-4 defending champion on the road.How did that happen?</p>
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<p>On the second night of a back to back&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: jon abbey</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2012-13-game-thread-knicks-heat/#comment-411224</link>
		<dc:creator>jon abbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 07:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that was the worst +/- game of Wade&#039;s career, -33, matched up against basketball wizard Jason Kidd.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that was the worst +/- game of Wade&#8217;s career, -33, matched up against basketball wizard Jason Kidd.</p>
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		<title>By: Juany8</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2012-13-game-thread-knicks-heat/#comment-411222</link>
		<dc:creator>Juany8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 07:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh and just to be a dick: Tyson Chandler&#039;s TS% this season when Melo plays: 75%

Chandler&#039;s TS%: when Melo doesn&#039;t play: 60%

When you factor in the 2 turnovers (out of the Knicks 7 total) it seems it wasn&#039;t our offensive superstar that filled up the void left up Melo but the mediocre chucker that nobody wanted on this team 

The Knicks actually didn&#039;t shoot as well as you&#039;d think, they shot under 50% on 2&#039;s (23/47) 40% on 3&#039;s, which is good but below our season average, and much lower than the last game against the Heat, and they shot a laughably bad 69% from the line. Jason Kidd has actually had a BETTER TS% than Chandler this year, and he had 11 points on 12 shots tonight. The Knicks didn&#039;t shoot well with Melo out, they just managed to avoid turnovers equally well, mostly because Felton was handling everything that Melo usually would and the rest of the team is awesome at making smart plays. But this isn&#039;t much better than the Knicks season average for offensive efficiency, and it&#039;s lower than what the Knicks are averaging on offense when Melo is in the game (a video game like 118 points per 100 possessions)

This loss says just as much about what the Heat look like now than it does about how good our bench is. Again, in extremely similar conditions last week, the Spurs almost won despite benching EVERYONE. Even the biggest Melo nut-hugger would have to admit that losing Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, and Green is a bit more severe than just losing Melo. If you think that this team without Melo is better than San Antonio&#039;s scrubs and Washington&#039;s best players (which I absolutely do) then this result isn&#039;t very surprising.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and just to be a dick: Tyson Chandler&#8217;s TS% this season when Melo plays: 75%</p>
<p>Chandler&#8217;s TS%: when Melo doesn&#8217;t play: 60%</p>
<p>When you factor in the 2 turnovers (out of the Knicks 7 total) it seems it wasn&#8217;t our offensive superstar that filled up the void left up Melo but the mediocre chucker that nobody wanted on this team </p>
<p>The Knicks actually didn&#8217;t shoot as well as you&#8217;d think, they shot under 50% on 2&#8242;s (23/47) 40% on 3&#8242;s, which is good but below our season average, and much lower than the last game against the Heat, and they shot a laughably bad 69% from the line. Jason Kidd has actually had a BETTER TS% than Chandler this year, and he had 11 points on 12 shots tonight. The Knicks didn&#8217;t shoot well with Melo out, they just managed to avoid turnovers equally well, mostly because Felton was handling everything that Melo usually would and the rest of the team is awesome at making smart plays. But this isn&#8217;t much better than the Knicks season average for offensive efficiency, and it&#8217;s lower than what the Knicks are averaging on offense when Melo is in the game (a video game like 118 points per 100 possessions)</p>
<p>This loss says just as much about what the Heat look like now than it does about how good our bench is. Again, in extremely similar conditions last week, the Spurs almost won despite benching EVERYONE. Even the biggest Melo nut-hugger would have to admit that losing Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, and Green is a bit more severe than just losing Melo. If you think that this team without Melo is better than San Antonio&#8217;s scrubs and Washington&#8217;s best players (which I absolutely do) then this result isn&#8217;t very surprising.</p>
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		<title>By: Shad0wF0x</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shad0wF0x</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 07:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did Patrick Ewing take a shit in Chuck&#039;s luggage or something? WTF is his problem? It&#039;s like he hates NY for no reason at all. If you add LeBron and Durant to the Knicks, he&#039;ll still probably hate the team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did Patrick Ewing take a shit in Chuck&#8217;s luggage or something? WTF is his problem? It&#8217;s like he hates NY for no reason at all. If you add LeBron and Durant to the Knicks, he&#8217;ll still probably hate the team.</p>
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		<title>By: BigBlueAL</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2012-13-game-thread-knicks-heat/#comment-411220</link>
		<dc:creator>BigBlueAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 06:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barkley just said on Inside the NBA he doesnt believe in the Knicks because they shoot too many 3pters and dont rebound.  Shocking.  He is announcing the game next week vs the Lakers, hope fans at MSG heckle the shit out of him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barkley just said on Inside the NBA he doesnt believe in the Knicks because they shoot too many 3pters and dont rebound.  Shocking.  He is announcing the game next week vs the Lakers, hope fans at MSG heckle the shit out of him.</p>
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		<title>By: Juany8</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2012-13-game-thread-knicks-heat/#comment-411219</link>
		<dc:creator>Juany8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 06:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guys.... We blew out the Heat WITH Melo too.... Seriously? The Spurs threw away a lot more than just Carmelo Anthony and almost won too. The Wizards DID win, despite being the worst team in the NBA. If you can&#039;t sell yourself on the fact that the Heat don&#039;t give a shit, then they&#039;ve proven pretty conclusively that they&#039;re not a very good team unless they&#039;re playing Brooklyn or Phoenix. Know how the Knicks had 5 double digit wins to start the season? The Heat have 5 double digit wins ALL SEASON, and 4 are against Phoenix and Brooklyn. They&#039;re barely scraping by the other teams, and this is the 3rd time this year they lose by 20, 2nd time to the Knicks of course. First game doesn&#039;t look like as much of a fluke now does it?

By the way, the shot creation argument says the team is screwed without a creator that can play like a star. Felton doesn&#039;t have to be a star the rest of the season, but he played fucking amazing tonight, quite simply there&#039;s your shot creator. By the way, nobody is arguing you need to be all that good at shot creation to beat a defense that&#039;s recently given up a 100 to teams like Cleveland, Washington, and the Spurs scrubs. If they can&#039;t guard a simple pick and roll then why are we pretending it means anything that it means anything if they won a championship last year?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys&#8230;. We blew out the Heat WITH Melo too&#8230;. Seriously? The Spurs threw away a lot more than just Carmelo Anthony and almost won too. The Wizards DID win, despite being the worst team in the NBA. If you can&#8217;t sell yourself on the fact that the Heat don&#8217;t give a shit, then they&#8217;ve proven pretty conclusively that they&#8217;re not a very good team unless they&#8217;re playing Brooklyn or Phoenix. Know how the Knicks had 5 double digit wins to start the season? The Heat have 5 double digit wins ALL SEASON, and 4 are against Phoenix and Brooklyn. They&#8217;re barely scraping by the other teams, and this is the 3rd time this year they lose by 20, 2nd time to the Knicks of course. First game doesn&#8217;t look like as much of a fluke now does it?</p>
<p>By the way, the shot creation argument says the team is screwed without a creator that can play like a star. Felton doesn&#8217;t have to be a star the rest of the season, but he played fucking amazing tonight, quite simply there&#8217;s your shot creator. By the way, nobody is arguing you need to be all that good at shot creation to beat a defense that&#8217;s recently given up a 100 to teams like Cleveland, Washington, and the Spurs scrubs. If they can&#8217;t guard a simple pick and roll then why are we pretending it means anything that it means anything if they won a championship last year?</p>
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		<title>By: ruruland</title>
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		<dc:creator>ruruland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 06:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-411209&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-411209&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DRed&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Get the fuck out, ruru.You talk so much shit, so grow a thicker skin and take a little teasing like a man.Are you even a fucking Knicks fan?Ray Felton was absolutely amazing tonight-did I say he wasn’t?Felton’s a good PG, and a really nice fit for this particular team.He destroyed the Heat.But that’s not the point.How did we play so well without Carmelo?Seriously, asshole, got to Meloblogger.com if you’re going to be such a prickly bitch.


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Not now, dude. You know exactly what you were trying to do. there was nothing good-natured about it.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-411209" rel="nofollow">DRed</a></strong>: Get the fuck out, ruru.You talk so much shit, so grow a thicker skin and take a little teasing like a man.Are you even a fucking Knicks fan?Ray Felton was absolutely amazing tonight-did I say he wasn’t?Felton’s a good PG, and a really nice fit for this particular team.He destroyed the Heat.But that’s not the point.How did we play so well without Carmelo?Seriously, asshole, got to Meloblogger.com if you’re going to be such a prickly bitch.</p>
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<p>Not now, dude. You know exactly what you were trying to do. there was nothing good-natured about it.</p>
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