2012-13 Game Thread: Knicks @ Heat
December 6th, 2012 by Thomas B. | Comments | Permalink |
We are really going to need a great game from Carmelo Anthony. I hope he is able to play.
Your in-game thoughts here.
Go New York, Go New York Go!
UPDATE: No Melo tonight. Get ready for fifty-odd shots from Ray Felton and J.R.!
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Melo is out :-(
Yup… just hope he isn’t out too long. San Antonio’s backups kept it close with the Heat…maybe we can too w/o Melo? Are we can just have the best player on our team – Chandler – just shoot more and take over =)
Well, this should be interesting.
Have a feeling Heat are out to make a statement tonight. All their players who were questionable for tonight (Battier/Chalmers/Haslem/Cole) are all playing from what Ive read. Game might get ugly for the Knicks.
“Are” = “Our”.. above
Looking forward to hearing Barkley’s fair and objective commentary on the Knicks
LOL: “With Carmelo Anthony they were gonna lose, without him, they have no chance, they should just head back to NY now” – Charles Barkley
Starting lineup should be: Felton, Kidd, Brewer, Novak, Chandler
We can’t have brewer, thomas and chandler to start the game against a hard trapping defense.
Oh and I want to see Copeland get some burn… over Thomas or even Wallace if Cope is playing well.
Over/under on FGA for Ray Felton: 25
HAHA! I Just predicted Charles Barkley…
really? gotta take the under there..
I think we’ve got a chance because Wade is starting to lose his ath-a-letic ability.
You guys are nuts-Barkley is awesome
Probably a good idea to keep Melo out; most likely they were going to lose anyway. Let the finger heal and have him ready for the Bulls on Saturday.
I have a clear understanding of why Stern was so pissed now. This is a letdown. Even though it’s obviously legit. To have a team purposefully take the air out of what should be a marquee mid season game was definitely a “disservice to the fans”. Period.
Barkley is not going to say anything good about the Knicks until they win a game against the Heat to tie the series 1-1 in the ECF. I, for one, can’t wait for the day that he and Reggie Miller have to talk about how good the Knicks are.
Some players would play tonight. That’s a bit of a disappointment on Melo.
You can’t compare this to the Spurs situation, Popovich just sent those guys home even though they were fine to play
Losing Melo sucks, but we’re playing a team that lost to the Wizards this week, that is about to hand serious minutes to Moochie fucking Norris, and who we blew off the floor in the garden.
It’s now getting the point in the season where we need another signature win against an elite team.
Barkley has a very, very clear agenda on the Knicks, but in general he’s a pretty smart analyst. He talked about a player increasing his points per game without actually getting better and everything haha
Its another stupid NBA schedule quirk where a TNT game is being played by a team on a back-to-back on the road against a team at home who isnt playing a back-to-back.
Heat for the 2nd week in a row thanks to the schedule have a big advantage at home on a TNT game.
That’s exactly what I mean. I am disappointed and this is a completely legitimate reason for Melo to miss the game. Not blaming him or Knicks (although, as I said, some players would play. But that’s on him not a disservice to the league). What this did for me as a fan who was excited to see this game was draw a contrast for just how egregious it was what Pop did.
I just can’t wait for the “see I told you” vs. the “it’s just one game- the Heat” arguments. Go Knicks!
for the record i hate this starting lineup… Novak would have been better than thomas
Chuck loves trolling Knicks fans. He’s probably still sore from the time Oakman slapped him in the mouth.
under what rules of hoops did lebron not travel there?
The NBA rules duh!
Good question. Not sure why the announce team didn’t even mention it.
Or from the time Mark Jackson and Co. brought brooms onto the court after sweeping the Sixers
(hope that it’s clear I was being sarcastic and making fun of the… uneven travelling calls)
Felton has no problem hoising up airballs b/c he knows Dirty Kurty is ready to clean up.
i only assume that thomas has to go through a structured 2 hour stretching regimen to play, and therefore that is why he starts and cant play any time afterwards
Kurt making me eat my words thus far
Felton is def taking 25. I say he makes 11 and scores about 25.
and the broom sweep in the playoffs
yeh i may need to revise my initial assessment
JR is going to shoot every time he touches the ball tonight.
Get ready for fifty-odd shots from Ray Felton and J.R.!
I think you meant fifty odd shots.
i get the feeling we may have bad JR in attendance tonight
ohhhh boy. we are going to have to see this self-indulgent tone deaf lebron commercial time and time again tonight. im bracing myself
i hatethe continuation rule there. if you tackle lebron, you get a flagrant (see fisher in the finals) and if you just normally foul him, its an and 1
Seriously, Earl is gonna shoot every fucking time.
CROSSED
Felton is really taking the Kobe assist concept to heart….
Would be so nice to win tonight. I think Woodson should just try to inspire the shit out of Sheed and try to bring back a vintage, 2004 performance out of him. If that happens, Sheed should get an hour alone for a news conference
Okay, I was wrong. I forgot about his psychic bond with Novak.
Although that was really really a nice crossover.
Meant to post earlier when he threw up that airball, then internet crapped out….
Felton’s going to get those 25 FGA by halftime.
So bowling over a defender =ft?
how the f do the refs call the blocking foul on jr and miss joel anthony hacking jr on the layup??? these refs baffle me
JR has to finish that layup or get fouled…. so bad at drive and finishing for such an athletic guy
Get PHYSICAL with LeBron!!
Getting physical with LeBron doesn’t work. He’s a fucking tank.
that was a ridiculous call.
give me a break
unbelievable. if i got the lebron treatment from the refs, i think i could be pretty good too
Melo must be fuming about the calls Lebron is getting.
Better yet, imagine if Melo got the Lebron teammate. He’d approach Dwight Howard levels on free throws…
Sheed…..
No conscience….
That was a really nice play. Also, this Lebron guy is good, especially in HD….
None. The word “pass” or “continuity” is an alien concept.
Really, he does get some absolute BS calls, that one on JR was a joke
that was a nice set play for the end of the quarter. woody??? were you paying attention? not everything needs to be melo wasting away the clock then pump faking and shooting up a fallway 20 footer.
Novaj seemed to be unattended to by the arc but Sheed takes the guarded three
Yeah, that end of quarter play was pretty amazing….
Felton has 8 FGA and 1 assist.
Let’s hope that ratio flattens out.
Agree, but do what you need to put him on the line!!
You’re forgetting to count the two assists he had to Kurt
Yeh, they’re not gonna let Chandler roll to the rim, so it may not. They’ll dare us to shoot from the outside
Poor Mike Miller can’t even take Novak off the dribble anymore.
Stick a fork in the ball don’t lie meme….
I’m watching this on DVR delay. Don’t say anything that’ll spoil it for me.
Knicks win! Knicks win!
Not bad so far – the offense seems to be holding together.
Is this Thunderstruck thing for real? Is this a real movie?
The game threads do ruin the dvr dont they….
70+ post already. wow.
Nice drive by Prigioni sorta off a Tyson screen. It could have been a coincidence that Tyson came in and the play was no longer pass it around the perimeter.
well, we got the obligatory prigs is a pest reference out of the way
Haslem? I didn’t even guard ‘im.
Will someone tell Novak to take the bandage off his hand
why are we double teaming lebron at the 3 point line???
great question. dumb – he wants us to do that.
other thoughts — novak needs to start making open threes.
what did novak do to piss off the rim gods during the offseason?
fucking cross-court pass …come on kidd..you’re better than that
Felton Anthony!!
Felton in hero mode, and so far it’s actually working.
im sorry, i know he has his detractors, but i like our bulldog of a pg
Kidd has made the most consecutive mistakes all season (cross court pass, gives up layup, fouls Wade, fouls Wade again) … wake the hell up Kidd!
On cue…yanked by Woody
Lebron gets ALL the calls
am i the only one that prays that as d wade gets old and decrepid, younger players step on his throat repeatedly just for being a douche
Felton could shoot 10 for 30 and it would likely still be a good call with this lineup.
JR Smith with another horrible half. Becoming much too common lately.
I’d love to learn what happened to good JR. I mean, it can’t be partying, so what is it?
Damn. They called a tech on JR!
Novak!!!
Nooooooooooooovaaaaaaak
My neighbors got scared on that Novak 3…. woohooo!
NOVAK! YEAH!
Novak!! Great passes by Kidd and Brewer.
You can’t be behind on DVR and posting..now you’re throwing us off! lol
Yeah, I dunno if Chandler should be guarding Lebron.
Ray-ray!
RAYMOND FELTON!!
ISO-FELTOOONNNNNNN
C’mon ‘Sheed hit those free throws.
NO GOOD!
He didn’t get it off in time.
Sorry. I’ll catch up at halftime.
No chance LeBron lets the Heat lose this game I fear.
Ball still in his hands
Post whatever you want man…just kidding.
It will be tough, but I think they can still win it. This is really Felton’s dream, though. They need him to shoot a lot.
im not just basing this on tonight, but sometimes i think we might be better to give it to felton on last shot situations, with everyone spotting up and melo ready to catch in score. hes a better decision maker in these situtions
and imagine if JR actually learns how to play well again
Charles is going to spend all halftime talking about how tuurible JR was
Felt that way in Dallas, given that we were dominating them in the PnR all game.
I think the Knicks can win tonight. We just need JR Smith to hit a couple jumpers and for LeBron James to not take us seriously lol.
Only 3 turnovers for NYK in the first half.
Last year the Heat were a real ball-hawking team, but this year they’ve really slacked off as far as forcing turnovers.
HA! love that sequence with Kenny talking about how much money Barkely lost due to techs and choking down a comment about his gambling…..
Man, LeBron has 18 points on 7 shots, 5 rebounds, and 7 assists. And he did it all in the flow of the offense. Damn that boy good.
Felton for three!
That shot by James was not off in time.
And now I’m caught up.
No worries. I know you were joking.
Lebron is nasty and definitely the BPITW, but the more I watch Miami I think this team can be got if you have the correct personnel. The Knicks and Memphis have demonstrated that if you can pound it inside on them effectively they really can’t stop you. The amount of dribble penetration they give up is really wild.
True. But I’d expect half time adjustments. They”ll trap the PnR more aggressively and not allow Felton to go off for 18 in the 2nd half for sure. They’ll should also just leave JR wide open as I doubt it would make a difference…so hot and cold.
JR shooting a little over 30% over his last 7 games.
Yeah, the rest of the Heat aren’t playing that well, but holy shit Lebron is amazing. That line is unbelievable.
For some reason Woody thinks Melo is there best player
*sarcasm*
Would anybody stand a chance against OKC if they hadn’t rescinded the Tyson Chandler trade 2 years ago?
The Heat do have a lot of guys that seem kind of redundant. There’s only so many one-dimensional, no-defense playing perimeter shooters you can carry on the roster without it hurting your defense. The Heat were a nasty defensive team last year; this year they’re pretty pedestrian on that end.
Holy shit Ray
Felton needs to do a big balls dance now
Who shot?
Ray
Felton is on FI-YAH
Jeremy WHO????
RAYMOND FELTON!
Is it to early to call this Ray-sanity?
co-sign
Feltonsanity.
Allow me to amend my prediction. 15-29. 32 pts
Live by the three.
How long can this last though? We’re already seeing JR’s 3 point shooting regress to the mean. Kidd, Felton, and Melo have all been shooting well above their career norms. The offense won’t look so rosy without all the long range shots falling.
I’ll take it for now though. Mostly they take clean looks.
Good point. They could be working on a three-peat right now.
JR has regressed to the bottom of the ocean…not a mean
Ole….
One other thing about the Heat’s D. This is obviously some level of wishful thinking but defense is not something that you just turn on and become a great defensive team in the playoffs after playing 82 games of mediocre D. Defense is an identity that takes root throughout the season.
FUck me…ray gets too happy with self and fucks up his fucked up arm
Did LBJ just knee Ray in the balls?
damn, lebron shoots the 3 well now
No, he isn’t regressing to the mean, he is crashing into it like he has Jason Kidd behind the wheel after a night on the town.
Like I said, 30 shots from Felton would actually be fine tonight!
And that actually is a very interesting thought about Chandler….
ha. Lebron has to hate playing with these stiffs.
ray is hurting… it’s obvious
Ray-sism
Boom goes the Novak!
i love it when novak sticks his chest out after a 3
Novakaine with the ball fake and three
stupid shot there by jr
Ready.
Aim.
Fire!
You can tell how badly Steve Kerr wants to be out there bombing with us
For a guy who cannot create Tyson seems to be double teamed a lot on the low block.
make your FTS!!
Call me crazy but i am looking forward to Shump replacing Brewer….
Ok, maybe his hand is fine
And call me crazy but i hope Jon Abbey doesnt read that…..
Felton, amazing
Who is this guy in Ray Felton’s jersey?
MY NAME IS JAMES FUCKING WHITE
the heat defense will be turned up, but if we dont turn it over, we may be ok
What the fuck is going on here?
THE BALL LIES!!!!!!!
am i worng, or has james white looked serviceable plus some for the last week?
James White is clowning the Heat now?
WTF is going on?
That’s JR revertiing to the mean…that shot
do not fall in love with the 3, but continue to fire when its open
IT’S RAINING THREES
HALLELUJAH
IT’S RAINING THREES
AMEN
he’s made good use of his minutes…and is good defensively
Coach sure looks happy
Seriously, this is insane….
It will end in tears i am sure….
Tears of joy?
A lot of ball left, but through about 7 quarters we have absolutely destroyed the Heat this year.
There is no room for Kerr out there. Damn this is nice.
Im trying to forget the memories of blowing a 20 pt lead in Miami in 2000 with Alonzo Mourning being out.
Man. I just caught up. Please let them win this. Another good lesson or melo and stat as they with this.
I’m catchin up on dvr but this is amazing
That was a real stupid shot by JR. But then a great save at the other end.
Ok, JR, no more quick pull ups early in the shot clock, please.
I think we are beyond the meme about Melo needing to learn the virtue of passing and ball movement.
Analytics huh? Knicks using analytics? They might be….
oh my
God damn it….
fucking lebron james
good timeout woody. we need to close the quarter
The Heat always make a 4th Quarter run. Too bad it isn’t even the 4th yet.
ok everyone who caught up with dvr maybe we need to rewind it back again to not jinx the knicks. lol.
Seriously anyone who votes Carmelo for MVP over LeBron needs to be fired immediately
we need a novak corner 3 here
good job jr. he took it to the hole!!!!
Finally, JR gets a call.
Now after he hits 1 of 2 free throws…
Goddamit JR!
Why the hell can’t Tyson ever once give a hard foul on a James drive? It’s ole every time
i like white in there to cover lebron
Not sure what’s up with that call
JR giveth and JR taketh the hell away.
not sure about that call either
Jr smith may not have earned the benefit of the doubt from the refs but he certainly isnt getting it tonight….
Smart move taking JR out. Needs to settle down.
Knicks should take their FTs from 3 pt line tonight.
we need a nickname for prigioni
that was awesome
couldn’t have said it better
I love Prigs. He looks like someone’s Dad playing in a rec league.
credit grunfield. our offensive strategy and personnel aimed at running that offense is making up for a ton of athletic deficiency(see prigs laying one up from his ankles while all help defenders are afraid to leave their men at the 3 point line)
The Heat gave up 90 points through 3 quarters to a team that does not have it’s #1 scoring option. I don’t care for the “Miami doesn’t care enough to play defense” argument anymore; I think they just plain old suck on that end now.
Honestly if the officiating was even mildly fair we’d be up by 20 right now. That last call on Rasheed was not a foul.
If Prigs is finally figuring out when to drive to score. o’boy
It ended poorly but up 10 after three is still a good thing. We all can remember when the third quarter used to be the place where close games against good teams went to die.
he has a nickname Prigi Smalls be the illest.
Again, Lebron James gets ALL the calls
i thought we had one- the pest?
brewer with the block
This is so fun. Knicks don’t look like they’re going to loose composure under waves of Heat intensity.
I mean, what the fuck are you supposed to do to stop that?
that was a nice block…
we are playing old man ball at this point. its awesome
Pull Wallace please
Do you remember how the song “Queens Bridge” by MC Shan opens?
How about instead of “The Bridge”, we say “The Prig” to that beat? It’s classic and it’s New York.
The Prig, The Prig, The Prig.
Man, if that had gone down from sheed….
that may have been the best 3 minutes of d the knicks have played since van gundy. and its with prigs, sheed, brewer, KIDD, and NOVAK!!!
Sheed and Kid missed two great looks there. Our ball movement has been tremendous
Woodson needs to get sheed down low but I expect Chandler back in.
The Prig……
it doesn’t sound that nice, given its real meaning…..
He is such a funny looking guy. Looks like a ken doll according to my wife, crossed with that actor from scrubs who plays the mean doctor.
I think he looks like a guy from the silent film era, can’t remember who….
He’s actually playing solid D, despite his aggressive three point shooting folly. He’s spelling Chandler
THE PRIG IS OVA, THE PRIG IS OVA
I really wish Camby were available. Sheed looks like Lon Chaney out there. “Ball don’t lie…. Fire bad”
That is the ultimate diss song isn’t it….
That’s just pretty basketball
What’s a “Prig”?
sheed!!!!!
Wasnt Tommy Hilfiger ejected from MSG once for talking crap to Spree during a game??
Whoever said the ball movement has been amazing is totally correct…..
What’s different tonight, can’t tell….
This is fun basketball to watch, although I don’t know if the three point pace is, uh, sustainable….
OH IT’S SO PRETTY
THe ODD couple…JR + Novak
Novak breaking the blog again, just like Linsanity….
Nooooovak
Owen, you’re funny..
Smith and Novak at it again. The new odd couple.
To me Priggy looks like the cook/waiter from old school. “you’re with the Godfather”.
This reminds me of Teen Wolf without the wolf. I promise Novak’s face looked just like the fat kid’s face.
the one thing i love about jr- no one rejoices in Novak’s success more than JR- and really vice versa
He has a Buster Keaton-esque dourness to him…
This is so awesome. I can’t wait to hear Barkley talk about the game.
again, sheed has played very solid defense this game
JR SMASH
This is the most gorgeous basketball I’ve seen in a long, long time. Just poetry.
If they win by double digits without Melo in Miami it will erase any asterisk on that fist blowout
God Jason Kidd can ball….
NOVAK!!!!!!!
Belt me!!
Again!
I love you Steve Novak.
Love. You.
What an ass kicking. This is awesome.
This game is…. delicious.
This is embarassing….(for the Heat)…tears of JOY Owen and….this is Novak’s F* you game to the heat for last year’s performance….no Melo and no Sandy. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
It’s ova. It’s ova and not even Brisk cane bring them back
Everyone gets an A+ tonight. Don’t waste our time with a recap.
Yeah. JR and Novak have a good thing going (on the court on the court). Early in the season JR was asked about the bench success and he said something to the effect of we loo for Novak.
How about I don’t see that movie(Thinderstruck) and never admit to seeing that preview.
JR is the ultimate front runner
who else is hitting there head after a 3
haha. JR is such a dick.
Man, I haven’t felt this good about a game in a long time….
For you younger Knick fans, dont be surprised by this. This used to happen all the time between the Knicks and Heat in the late 90′s :-)
This is one of my favorite Knicks games ever.
God, I wish we could put in Balkman right now
Prig : : one who offends or irritates by observance of proprieties (as of speech or manners) in a pointed manner or to an obnoxious degree
Has a bad connotation. Someone who is an uptight douchebag basically
We have a brutal upcoming schedule
Woodson Woodson Woodson!!!
That felt great….
Yes, but not between the Knicks and Bulls in the 90s which is the appropriate benchmark..lol
But can they bring Anthony back without ruining this chemistry? :)
Wow. We fucking destroyed this team twice. No Melo, no problems.
They did beat the Bulls with MJ by 37 early in the 1992-93 season!!
Post game is on MSG
I have no problem with James White getting a few more minutes. Not that I have any idea who James White is.
You must have a serious headache after tonight!
LBJ must be having Cleveland flashbacks- it was like he was by himself out there. What was amazing is that besides Felton (and White in limited minutes) nobody played out of their minds offensively- JR, Sheed, and Kidd all shot poorly and while Chandler was solid he wasn’t quite up to his usual standard (a TS of just .60). Almost everyone played really well on defense- JR’s best defensive game in weeks. Great, great win.
Coach “It was just beautiful to watch”
Amen, Woody, Amen.
Also, stat of the night DWade -33 in 32 minutes.
First home loss for the Heat this year. And we blew them out. Again. That was really incredible.
Right now there is a video on ESPN where Stephen A. is saying that the Heat are “no question” a better team than the Knicks. How long before that video comes down?!
My son and I started dancing Gangnam Style after the Chandler dunk. Linsane? I’m freakin’ C-RAY-ZY!!!
How could I have never heard that? It sounds exactly like me. :-)
John Hollinger ?@johnhollinger
Somehow, some way, the Knicks have stumbled into something pretty special. Heat D looked like it was killing a power play.
Steven A just went ballistic on the Heat, and jumped on the Knicks bandwagon big time. He ended the interview by answering the last two questions: “Blowout.”…”Blowout.”
No kidding–he outscored and outrebounded Wade and Bosh combined and had more than half his team’s assists.
Sadly, we probably would have won by 40 if we had only signed Linsignificant rather than that bum Felton.
Our bench outscored them 57-19. LeBron and 11 scrubs (D Wade, I’m looking at you) can’t run with a team as deep as we are.
Jon Abbey, thank you very much for wishing me happy belated birthday. Did you say this was your birthday today? If so, wow, you lucky m’f'er. I was at three separate political events tonight and my wife was supposed to record the game (don’t forget to vote for daJudge 2013). Unfortunately, she could not find it and felt like shit when I got home. She’s a huge Knick fan and still loves me after 35+/- years. Part of me was happy since I could be psychologically absolved from watching and stressing through the game (all of you know what I mean). Anyway, I got home and we still caught the whole fourth quarter. After the game we looked at each other and thought this was a pretty damn good game. All we wanted to see was Woodson bite Lebron in the leg to bring it full circle. Ball don’t lie. Go Knicks. This year is really special—savor it.
The impact of Jason Kidd on this team cannot be overstated. Did you see the stoic look on his face when he executed the steal and break that virtually iced the game?
It’s just basketball.
-Jason Kidd
Totally right Z-man. Stoic=strength.
Wow. That was really something to watch. You keep waiting for the house of cards to come down, but maybe it just won’t.
Woodson = 32-10 with this team. This is outrageous.
Not to take anything away from this win, but there is something seriously wrong with Dwyane Wade. Maybe this is just the aging process, but he was basically a scrub out there today. He was a -33 in 32 minutes (compared with J Kidd who was a +31 in 32 minutes). And is it just me or does Chalmers look pretty heavy and slow out there? Battier was a total non-factor.
Just amazing. I am sure this win will spawn 49285 posts about whether Carmelo is a good player or not, but I don’t care – just going to enjoy this one tonight.
I’m honestly only watching this Mavs-Suns game to see what Charles Barkley has to say about the Knicks. Anybody else with me on that?
Same
Tommy Beer from Hoopsworld just tweeted something I wholly agree with — the foundation of this team is a very stingy defense and an unbelievable ability to avoid turning the ball over (all while turning the other team over a lot). Only 7 TOs again tonight. in 9 out of our 18 games we’ve had single-digit turnovers. Just amazing.
Again – hats off to Grunwald for building this team. We had the same limitations as the Lakers and Heat, and look at how freaking deep this team is. Prigioni, White, Rasheed, Novak, and Brewer were all signed to minimum contracts. JR was gotten for just the room exception. Kidd gets the mini-MLE. And we just beat the defending champs in their building by 20 without 4 of our projected top 10 guys (Melo, Amare, Shumpert, Camby). Just fantastic.
Eat the crow, Charles. Eat it.
Chuck looks SAD.
Did they just completely ignore talking about the New York Knicks? Punks.
Charles loves him some Novak.
Steve Novak is my wild rabbit
Charles Barkley seriously just punked out like that? I’m disappointed; I wanted to hear Kenny Smith and Shaq get on him lol.
Where’s ruru tonight? No hockey assists, no Kobeassists from Melo, no shot creators, and we fucking crushed a 12-4 defending champion on the road. How did that happen?
Just finished watching on DVR, sat there with my mouth open for 48 minutes. What an absolute beatdown, and whoever said every player on the Knicks gets an A+ was dead on – that was the definition of a team effort.
One thing I don’t get about LeBron – after the blowout in NY and tonight’s game, he’s got a smile on his face and is kind of yukking it up with Knicks players. I know he proved himself last year, but I can’t imagine Jordan or Kobe not being incredibly pissed about being smoked on your home court.
Felton played the best game of his life (probably, I didn’t check), and Kidd was a ridiculous +31 in 33 minutes.
I lost a long post when the site crashed, but you can’t get a much bigger statement win in early December than that. the playoffs are still light years away and anyone who thinks how Miami is playing now will matter at all in May and June is crazy, but this season so far has been even beyond ruru’s rosiest projections, and who saw that coming?
Maybe he got a paper cut and decided to sit this game thread out in honor Melo.
After going 6-0 to start the season my gut feeling said this Knicks team will be good, but I never imagined it could be this good.
Yeah, but if Ray Felton has an average game we still win by 10, without any shot creators. I keep reading that Melo is they lynchpin of our offense. He makes everything go. If you don’t have him shooting a high volume at average efficiency, we’re screwed because he’s the only one who can create those shots.
Kidd was ridiculous, but he’s the best point guard not named Magic Johnson to play in the NBA in 40 years. Jason Kidd at 39 is a better player than Carmelo Anthony has ever been. Melo can’t touch J. Kidd.
Nice birthday present tonight, Jon. Hope you got to catch some of it.
You’re a god damned moron if you think Felton’s impact on the ame were just his 27 points.
Kidd is amazing, a great complement to Felton, but he is not the engine of the offense. he makes everything better, but he simply cannot come close to impacting the high pnr like Felton does, which kys the Knicks impossible to defend half court offense.
Are you fucking drunk dude?
of course the Heat will be better.
But the basic mechanics of the Knicks offense goes right to the heart of the Heat’s defensive weaknesses.
I don’t know if anyone listens to anything Albert and Kerr said tonight regarding Spoelstra’s comment on vertical spacing in the high pnr, or if people are interested in talking about the game and not turning this grat victory into some kind of gotcha thing (which is insane btw), but the Heat will not to make major adjutments to defend the high pnr.
No team can stop it!! Felton is an elite pnr point guard, and with Chandler’s screening, finishing ability and mobility — that is the key– and the shooters around him, there just isn’t anything teams can do.
You don’t see any teams that start the high pnr as far out as the Knicks do, but they can because of Chandler’s screening and speed towards the rim.
He beats average rotations to the basket.
That’s what Spoelstra was talking about re: vertical spacing.
You know what I think is going to eventually happen, they are going to put Lebron on Felton, while jeeping Bosh on Chandler.
Eventually, that will turn the high pnr into a decoy, but it will open up the middle of the defense where Amar’e and Melo can eat all game long.
Get the fuck out, ruru. You talk so much shit, so grow a thicker skin and take a little teasing like a man. Are you even a fucking Knicks fan? Ray Felton was absolutely amazing tonight-did I say he wasn’t? Felton’s a good PG, and a really nice fit for this particular team. He destroyed the Heat. But that’s not the point. How did we play so well without Carmelo? Seriously, asshole, got to Meloblogger.com if you’re going to be such a prickly bitch.
was I the only one who saw a little of Tim Hardaway in Felton for the first time tonight? that had to have been the best game of his life considering the competition and Melo being out, they even had LeBron on him at stretches.
also tonight was a night where Chandler should get more credit than the box score, because Miami gameplanned to stop him more with Melo out and it opened up space for everyone else.
…aaaaand SCENE.
all ruru talked about all summer was how the Knicks had a chance at being a 60 win team and the main reason was because of how much they would cut down on turnovers given the new acquisitions. he couldn’t have been more right and one game without Melo doesn’t show much except how hard this team has come to play virtually every game so far (one dud effort in almost 1/4 of a season, in HOU, that is remarkable for the NBA).
Yeah, you definitely cannot expect shot-making like that but a handful of times throughout the year, though it was a perfect night for it clearly and I think it really kept the Knicks confidence high.
So many of those makes came in late shot clock situations, or when everything else had been shut down.
But honestly, I think he can penetrate like that most games. There are situations when I think he gets gassed at times, and you don’t want to wear down Chandler by running it every play, but shit, you can’t defend it. Early in the year he was only able to go downhill like that for a quarter or half a quarter per half. But that’s increased quite a bit. And when teams switch on it, he can beat any big man off the dribble (he needs to do it more instead of settling for jumpers. That’s the one time he settles too much.)
I honestly think it’s the best offensive play in basketball right now (aside from Durant or Lebron in transition or semi-transition) and most of that credit goes to Felton. He’s really a great pnr point guard. Sadly, he’ll never credit for it statistically. I honestly think it’s a lot more effective on a per possession basis than Paul/Griffin pnr.
Felton goes so hard straight downhill. Paul kind of mills around in the paint waiting for an opening.
IDK, I knew Felton’s pnr and penetration were great fits (remember the talk this off-season was how he wasn’t a great penetrator) but he’s better than I remember seeing.
It’s just the perfect match of skills.
The turnovers are big, and anyone who simply looked at career turnover rates for the incoming players vs the outgoing players could have easily concluded the same.
The prediction that I was much more excited about this off-season was the penetration element Felton provided, and how it would fundamentally change the kinds of shots all of these really good shot-makers would get.
I don’t know how much time we talked about how the inability to get guard penetration played perfectly into the Heat’s hands on defense last year, but I think it was the most important conversation on the board relating to the Knicks potential with this core.
I thought the team would run a little bit more, but when you get a great shot almost every half-court trip, there is no reason to run when it’s not there.
watching the highlights again now, definitely some Tim Hardaway in Felton’s play tonight, that crazy crossover to get past his guy and those no-conscience, not in rhythm threes. wow!!!
Hardaway is actually a great comparison.
Not now, dude. You know exactly what you were trying to do. there was nothing good-natured about it.
Guys…. We blew out the Heat WITH Melo too…. Seriously? The Spurs threw away a lot more than just Carmelo Anthony and almost won too. The Wizards DID win, despite being the worst team in the NBA. If you can’t sell yourself on the fact that the Heat don’t give a shit, then they’ve proven pretty conclusively that they’re not a very good team unless they’re playing Brooklyn or Phoenix. Know how the Knicks had 5 double digit wins to start the season? The Heat have 5 double digit wins ALL SEASON, and 4 are against Phoenix and Brooklyn. They’re barely scraping by the other teams, and this is the 3rd time this year they lose by 20, 2nd time to the Knicks of course. First game doesn’t look like as much of a fluke now does it?
By the way, the shot creation argument says the team is screwed without a creator that can play like a star. Felton doesn’t have to be a star the rest of the season, but he played fucking amazing tonight, quite simply there’s your shot creator. By the way, nobody is arguing you need to be all that good at shot creation to beat a defense that’s recently given up a 100 to teams like Cleveland, Washington, and the Spurs scrubs. If they can’t guard a simple pick and roll then why are we pretending it means anything that it means anything if they won a championship last year?
Barkley just said on Inside the NBA he doesnt believe in the Knicks because they shoot too many 3pters and dont rebound. Shocking. He is announcing the game next week vs the Lakers, hope fans at MSG heckle the shit out of him.
Did Patrick Ewing take a shit in Chuck’s luggage or something? WTF is his problem? It’s like he hates NY for no reason at all. If you add LeBron and Durant to the Knicks, he’ll still probably hate the team.
Oh and just to be a dick: Tyson Chandler’s TS% this season when Melo plays: 75%
Chandler’s TS%: when Melo doesn’t play: 60%
When you factor in the 2 turnovers (out of the Knicks 7 total) it seems it wasn’t our offensive superstar that filled up the void left up Melo but the mediocre chucker that nobody wanted on this team
The Knicks actually didn’t shoot as well as you’d think, they shot under 50% on 2′s (23/47) 40% on 3′s, which is good but below our season average, and much lower than the last game against the Heat, and they shot a laughably bad 69% from the line. Jason Kidd has actually had a BETTER TS% than Chandler this year, and he had 11 points on 12 shots tonight. The Knicks didn’t shoot well with Melo out, they just managed to avoid turnovers equally well, mostly because Felton was handling everything that Melo usually would and the rest of the team is awesome at making smart plays. But this isn’t much better than the Knicks season average for offensive efficiency, and it’s lower than what the Knicks are averaging on offense when Melo is in the game (a video game like 118 points per 100 possessions)
This loss says just as much about what the Heat look like now than it does about how good our bench is. Again, in extremely similar conditions last week, the Spurs almost won despite benching EVERYONE. Even the biggest Melo nut-hugger would have to admit that losing Duncan, Parker, Ginobli, and Green is a bit more severe than just losing Melo. If you think that this team without Melo is better than San Antonio’s scrubs and Washington’s best players (which I absolutely do) then this result isn’t very surprising.
that was the worst +/- game of Wade’s career, -33, matched up against basketball wizard Jason Kidd.
On the second night of a back to back….
I have been “elevated” since the Tyson dunk to make it 109-88. Take elevated as you would if you were watching Half Baked.
This is the most impressive Knicks win I can remember in my lifetime. Ball movement and assisted 3′s with a sprinkinling of hero shots. That is a recipe for success and they didn’t even have to respect our significant mid-range threats in Melo who has been a beast this season and STAT who is still rehabbing.
I know STAT’s reinvolvement with the team will affect minutes, rotations, starting lineups, etc. If he can fit his game into the system and show the growth defensively he showed last year under Woodson this team can be deadly.
Spoelstra talked about the vertical threat Tyson provides before the game. He is an absolutely integral part of our offense and one that adds a certain cutting edge to the offense in terms of how decisive his actions are.
Felton is just a pitbull. Always probing and attacking and today he just had it going from outside. He really seems to relish the New York across his chest.
Can’t wait to see how good our defense can be once Shumpert is back and if STAT can get it going…
Right Juany, and enough with the they aren’t playing hard meme.
Everyone will play harder in the playoffs. There are structural flaws to their team that are exposed every game.
Still the favorites to win the East? You have to give that to them and they have the best player of all-time who can go 40-10-10 in a series.
Is Wade fading? hard to argue no. Everyone knew it would catch up to him, a guy so reliant on his amazing explosion. I don’t know the last time I’ve seen his patented two-step finish from a screen and roll.
Every once in a while he’ll show flashes.
Also, the Heat’s wing defenders are older than the Knicks. So, we all should laugh when people talk about age issues. Allen, Miller, Battier, Lewis… these guys are old and the Heat rely on perimeter rotations more than any team in the league.
I said the Knicks would make it a long series with Miami in the ECF. I think that these two blowouts are the most important thing to happen all year. Psychologically, it imprints something in the collective minds of both squads that will always be returned to in another game situation.
I think the intimidation and fear is totally gone. Frankly, that was what the Heat relied on last year. They were incredible when they sensed weakness and those runs were pretty much incomparable.
But you give the Knicks 4 chances at MSG, if they can steal one one the road. with that crowd and with core guys hungry for a ring, man, that could be really incredible.
We played good defense (which we’ve been doing with and without Melo) and we hit 18 three pointers — 18. Look at the video –fourteen of them were contested threes. You don’t make fourteen contested threes in a game. If you look at the Melo game where we also crushed them by 20, we got many more open looks from three. Just watch the three point attempts from both games.. I posted a link earlier in this post. That win was no indictment on Melo or ruru.