2012-13 Game Thread: Knicks@ Grizz
November 16th, 2012 by Thomas B. | Comments | Permalink |
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Shump Shump!
I’m just going to go ahead and say that this team’s turnover differential is no fluke. The guards are absurd at getting steals, and Shump is only going to help that.
SHEED SHEED
If I drank every time they called a foul when Melo gets hacked, I’d have a boring Friday night.
This is a grinding game.
The refs at it again. The anti-melo campaign is spreading to the whole team. It’s early but gang.
Getting killed on the boards. Camby time?
Grizz might set a record for most offensive rebs in a game tonight.
Funny how Hubie thinks the Knicks are winning in spite of “bad” rebounding. Scoring efficiency is a much better indicator of wins than rebounding is. I guess it’s that old school thinking.
Is Randolf stronger than Gasol
Gotta say Chandler needs to step up pretty significantly. Randolph is killing him on the boards and the Grizzlies are getting everything inside
Melo’s shot is on tonight!
Can’t deny that it’s looked like a weakness in this game…
He is old school
T-1000 hasn’t been himself much this season.
WOW insane pass by Melo! Shame Felton can’t seem to hit those off of Melo’s passes…
You can tell the Grizz and their fans are WAY up for this game, which is understandable when you’re playing the only undefeated team. This is going to be a very, very tough game for the Knicks to win.
Yeah I thought it was deflected at first.
Brewer made his layup pre game thread and Melo made his off his behind the back hockey assist.
Melo with the flop. Decent first quarter. Need to fight through this foul trouble.
Rasheed Wallace…… UNSTOPPABLE!
Damn. Shred is a beast on the blocks.
SHEED!!
The more impressive thing about Wallace was that he was doing a good job guarding Gay.
Are we sure Ama’re is better than Sheed right now? I’m being half serious here….
Go back to Sheed neither Gay or Speights can guard him.
Only when Sheed starts jacking up threes
I think Sheed maybe the perfect teammate for Amar’e to emulate minus the three ball.
This team is just so mentally tough, nothing rattles them. In the old days on the road against a good team, the Knicks would get 7 or a 9 points behind and collapse. Now they just maintain, get a good shot, play tough D and before you know it it’s a 2 point game. Really solid group.
Oh, and did I actually hear the words “Smart play by JR Smith”?
There you go Novak!
Novak has been off for multiple games in a row….weird
Yeah I guess you did I was gonna say something but could have sworn I hallucinated it
I think its safe to say that the first Knick who will be warned for flopping will be Prigioni lol
Amare, post Hakeem maybe, but Sheed is a better post up player. Amare is better in the pick and roll. Really different games.
Just saw this quote on Twitter from a reporter at the game:
“You better get that little bitch off me.” – Rasheed to Grizz bench after scoring on Gay
I know but I think Ama’e needs to change his style going forward.
Why does Hubie hate the Knicks?
JR For Bayless is such a TERRIBLE trade…. damn!
STFU Hubie!
JR was incidental
That was a pretty childish response by Bayless to what appeared to be unexceptional contact. Who woulda thought Sheed would be pushing a teammate away from a tech or altercation.
At least call it both ways.
If there was ever a game for Camby to get minutes its tonight. He must not be healthy.
Its pretty clear to see why Sheed has gotten so many techs in his career. Holy crap does he talk/complain alot lol
Post post post post post and I am loving it. Get Randolf and Guy in foul trouble. They would already be out the game if the refs called it both ways.
So much trash-talking in this game. It will get physical again at some point. Sheed is talking to the ball boy, to Randolph, to the refs, to the stands, to himself…. etc
That’s funny as shit. Sheed is just beasting down low
LOL – he rivals Garnett, not sure who talks more shit
Rudy Gay loves Sprite!
Quit crying and get back Melo!
Sheed has been MVP so far….no doubt! Who’s with me?
Its incredible, Sheed has made Camby completely irrelevant.
Insurance
Damn it all to hell.
Like a good neighbor, Rasheed is there.
Conley is a lucky little leprechan-like three
Chandler needs to step up big time, he needs to have more than a point and a steal in this of all games…
They need to make a commercial where Sheed shows up when someone calls for their State Farm Insurance agent.
Our starting PF and C have a combined 1 board. Grizz’s have 14
With 23 points and 12 boards and 5 assist.
What’s going on with Tyson?
It really is incredible to be reading Twitter and having national writers talking about what a fun game it is to watch and talking about how they wouldnt mind seeing these 2 teams play in June and the Knicks are one of those teams!! lol
and a hot tub scratch that ice tub
Playing with such little energy and fire… tired, maybe?
It’s hard to imagine a guy being outplayed more than Chandler is against Randolph. Chandler is nowhere near what he was last season so far.
this is embarrassing. He is getting absolutely abused on the boards.
Flu-Tyson is getting on my nerves but he has been great with halftime speeches.
I for one feel good about this game…we have gotten nothing from JR and Tyson and we’re only down 5….and Novak is a mere mortal on 3s. It will turn around in the 2nd half, mark my words!
But this has been a trend.
He’s never been a great rebounder, but he’s always been good at putting bodies on guys to allow teammates to snag boards.
He’s been awful tonight, and I’d say very mediocre all year.
Memphis is always getting a good whistle because our bigs are getting worked IMO.
It’s absolutely insane that melo only has, what, 9 fta attempts the last 100 minutes on the court given how much contact he’s played in at the rim.
There’s a reason guys love playing with him and hate playing against him.
I think the amount of minutes he’s getting makes him a little less post-up averse, though it’s an insult that they’d put Gay on him.
Okay by the end of the game who will have more boards the Knicks or Zach Randolph?
Seriously need to grab some boards here. I want Camby!!
I hope they keep insulting him. On the real there is probably not a back up much less a starter who can guard Sheed on the blocks when he decides to post.
Melo and the refs certainly don’t have a love affair..not sure why.
That’s a good point, he’s not the player he was last year…however, stats seem to back up that we are better defensively with him on the court. Seeing him used and abused two nights in a row back to back (Splitter/ Gasol) doesn’t bode well.
Woody should start Rasheed in the 2nd half, Melo should NOT be guarding ZBO
I’d almost want to see Camby in the game over Chandler right now because tyson doesn;t have it. Let’s hope he finds it.
and Melo certainly shouldn’t be guarding Gasol
Well, even an average chandler is a good defensive player. Looks likehe got the memo tonight. Won’t win this game unless he has a big second half.
Too much scrambling on D…Memphis just too big. Need size in the game and quickly!
Another Sheed quote via a writer at the game from Twitter:
Sheed: “You’re going to read about me, Lion-el, I’m 38 years old baby.” This, during second half warmups.
That technical is all Woody’s fault…why the fuck is Melo guarding Gasol?????
Is it too early to say that Brewer might have made himself into a decent jump shooter?
Gasol is the one locking the arm what is Hubie talking about
How can Woodson keep Melo on Gasol with 3 fouls? What is he thinking??
Imagine if Melo got half the calls he gets called for.
Before the game, I wondered how we would address the Memphis bigs. Clearly I am still wondering.
6 seconds on the shotclock and Rasheed brainfarts
we need a time out
Refs sure have made this game alot harder for the Knicks to win.
He’d shoot 72% from the line?
This is looking like one of Woodson’s first poorly coached games for the Knicks.
He wasn’t thinking…. DUMB. He shouldn’t have been on him in the first place. Make an adjustment and start Wallace over Brewer and put Wallace on Gasol or Randolph. Easy fix! Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Well, pretty dire straits, JR or someone is going to have to step up big time or this game could be over very soon
Also think he should put Melo back in the game…fuck it. This quarter will determine who wins or loses
I am convinced Camby is injured. There is no reason he shouldn’t be playing right now. Chandler has 4 fouls!
terrible fucking call
Whats the point of having the deepest most versatile team in the league if we don’t use it to match up against the opponent?
Ball don’t lie!
Oh, there’s Kurt.
Camby has to still be injured.
This. Game. Is. Now. Over
Need to go back to posting Sheed
Hubie Brown is every bit annoying as Bill Walton.
This is getting ugly.
Bandwagon will be a lot lighter tomorrow….
I put this on Woodson
1. Why the hell do you have Melo guarding Gasol, how could that turn out well?
2. Why the hell do you have Melo sit the entire 3rd quarter down 10 with four fouls?
3. Why not make the half-time adjustment and put Rasheed who had it going in the game?
4. Why not just punch these refs in the face at halftime…to get a fair shake
Reasoned analysis by Hubie disagreeing with that flagrant.
You just get raped by officials on the road in the NBA. We’re playing poorly, but Ed Malloy–c’mon man. Damn.
The dream had to end eventually, just wish the letdown was easier than this.
Hey two days ago we all said getting one of the two games would be great. We already have that, so no need to jump off the cliff folks. The Grizzlies are legit, we aren’t at full strength, we just played a really tough game in Texas, and the refs have it in for us.
Odd schedule, coming back from one home game and then going to New Orleans and Dallas.
I bet Camby is fine, but he is a complete zero on offense and when Woodson finally went to someone, he went to Thomas who at least has a bit of O.
Sheed is doing some incredible things out there, I doubt anyone thought he could play like this this quickly. not much else positive thus far…
Coach’s rigid adherence to the 2 fouls in the first quarter take them out, 4 fouls in the 3rd take them out is really fucking annoying. In this situation, leave Melo out there and take him off Gasol and put him on Gay or fucking Tony Allen. WTF
Nice to see the Refs getting the numbers up on the Grizz so no one can point to the foul discrepancy tomorrow.
Maybe Miami is the only team in the NBA that could win back to back games against the Spurs and the Grizz on the road. Would have been nice if it was more competitive, but if we take it to Memphis when they come to MSG, it’s a draw.
Then Houston. Next week Knicks have 3 road games in 4 days with Thanksgiving being the off day.
Agreed. I guess Woody didn’t want Randolf on the boards but with Melo on him at least the drive would have been of limits to Zach.
We just haven’t been able to match up with Gasol at all tonight. His shooting and passing have been superb, and we can’t force him to foul even with Sheed scoring.
This is ridiculous
but he didn’t adhere to that, he left Chandler out there with 4.
two of probably the toughest seven games of the year these two nights (@MIA, MIA, OKC, SA, LAL, LAC, MEM), 1-1 is better than I expected. if Sheed can keep contributing like this, wow.
Come on Hubie.
It’s only being called one way in the 2nd half. The first half was pretty even.
The Knicks will comeback and win this. A few buckets and stops just watch Memphis lose their composure.
and thats saying something because the first half was bad too. Just went from bad to worst.
I do think the Knicks let the Grizz off the hook by not posting Sheen in the 3rd.
You don’t think they learned their lesson from Game 1 last year?
I just don’t see it…unless Melo catches HOT FIRE and offensively he’s just been average (for him) so far this season
We’ve been god forsaken for a freaking decade. A split of a road back to back against two of the associations best teams…I can live with it. Some tough calls tonight but we will win some this year where the whistles go our way, already have in my opinion. Have to do a better job with our composure. Black and white from last night.
It’s less the loss, than how we lost. I dunno.
WTF is wrong with Carmelo…
loses the ball twice, throws the ball away, gets a three drained in his face…all within 1 minute
Melo lacking focus
Melo is still guarding Gasol! He did a better job there, but come on.
Not sure if Melo physically can handle playing PF the entire season if he has many more games like tonight. He is taking a pounding having to cover the Memphis bigs tonight.
Might be just a few moments of intrigue left here…
Tough fight…. (probably could have been avoided if Melo had played in the 3rd)…
It’s the Marc Gasol rules out there.
He’s just allowed to whack people with no whistle.
Grrrr….
That is really sticking in my craw tonight.
Need to put sheed in to keep Melo off Gasol
This is the the biggest most physical frontcourt in the NBA. Would have been nice to see Woody realize that and adjust at the start of the 2nd half…but yeh Melo’s gonna need a bucket of ice, and someone scratched up JR’s face pretty good too…no foul of course
Wouldn’t have hurt to have STAT tonight, I know he’s no defensive wizard, but one more active big body would help a lot vs. the Grizz
He might have fouled out had Woody not benched him.
He wouldn’t have been in foul trouble had Woody had him guarding Gay…and started Rasheed
I’d be happier about STAT’s return if he spent the summer working with Hakeem on his defense.
Down to eight!
Oh well.. at least we fought back, so it wasn’t totally embarrassing. We had heavy doses of Bad JR, Bad Tyson, Bad Novak, Bad Refs and Foul Troubled Melo — not a good recipe.
…and if we’re going to lose, rather lose to a really good team than the Cavs
This game is on Woody but maybe he has a bigger picture. I doubt it and I don’t know what that picture is. Not only did he keep Melo on Gasol but he could have posted Sheed up in the 3rd to keep the game closer. Bad Jr showed up and Kidd and Felton didn’t do a good job running the offense that qtr.
When Plan A isn’t working, Woodson isn’t fixing it. That’s the unfortunate thing we’re seeing tonight.
Fortunately plan has worked a lot, and should continue to.
I know he has a legitimate gripe, but Melo has to complain less about refs. Whole team followed his lead tonight.
Chandler has missed so many lobs this year…
Still an amazing stretch. 6-1 is a tremendous start!
Also, Memphis looks really, really good. No shame in losing to this team.
Is Memphis the best team in the NBA right now?
Really hope Knicks dont come out flat on Sunday with the 12 pm start.
Also, what’s up with all the top-heavy teams in the NBA right now? So many teams have really good records right now.
JR doesn’t party any more, so they should be fine. Last year’s JR, yeah, I’d be worried.
Maybe they really buckle down it almost seems as if there are 8 against 5. i couldn’t resist dang you refs. lol.
It bears mentioning that the Grizzlies needed terrible, one-sided officiating to spark their run in the 4th quarter that beat the Knicks. If that’s what it takes to put the Knicks down, I feel even better about the team this year. At least we didn’t quit.
Still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Melo’s 5 turnovers, the lack of three point shooting, and JR going up against Tony Allen was also killer tonight.
run in the 3rd quarter*
Its a non-conference loss tonight so no big deal. Handle business on Sunday and remain undefeated in games vs the East.
Didn’t Memphis get the memo? Crashing board for O-reb is bad for team. Shame on them.
Though Knicks lost – love fight in team.
No offense to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, but the whole “everyone gets a statue” movement in sports kind of creeps me out. I think statues should be like stamps and currency, you should be dead before you get one.
Yeah, if one of you folks were actually going to Memphis blogs to be a dick, I’d probably allow a return conversation (fair is fair), but I know none of you did (there is no poster named Kevin Stellar here), so we’re not going to be having any “cross-blog” fight here. Expect any comments along those lines to be deleted.
he did work on defense with Hakeem.
Way to make excuses, bro.
Look the Knicks are a great, great team. But give me a fucking break. You lost. Were you really expecting to win 82 games in a fucking row?
I certainly wasn’t. Like I said before, no shame in tonight’s loss. The Grizzlies look very good right now.
Now I’m happy.
As bad (or tired) as the Knicks were tonight, third quarter officiating has been the deciding factor in this game. True, professional players should not allow themselves to lose composure, esp. on the road; but it is also true that one rarely encounters this kind of cynically one-sided officiating. I am not a Melo fun at all, but tonight I really felt for the guy. JR’s fragrant was a joke. Wallace’s and Chandler’s 5th fouls were a joke. Etc, etc etc. Don’t know why this happened, and can’t imagine why NBA allows such officiating.
The only important thing to take away form tonight is the fight the Knicks showed coming back on a b2b against a team that looks to be perhaps the most balanced in the west.
Memphis is a very good team that was up for the game, and had the kind of whistle that played into their physicality.
I absolutely love the way the team sticks together.They will get better with the officiating thing. They are too smart too experienced not to change in that area.
But I also doubt they get too many more games where the whistle was as bad as it was tonight.
Amar’e and Shump puts this team over the top though. There’s zero doubt in my mind. Stat is everything on offense the Knicks are lacking. And those 8-14 minutes Melo is off the floor are going to mean everything.
Also, quick point guards are tearing up the middle of our defense, forcing rotations.
The Knicks are a very good rotation team, and while Shumpert isn’t yet a great pnr defender, the ball pressure he puts on guards takes them out of pnr.
By virtue of ball pressure, Shumpert will also help rebounding problems.
But Chandler will be better. memphis is just a really good team that is going to take advantage of all these little small ball clubs, especially at home when the game is allowed to be super physical (and favorable to the home team)
I agree, he smelled horrible.
thanks. very funny. grow up
I’m not the one bitching about the officiating. Every team gets a dose of shit-officiating every once in a while. Stop acting like every ref is fucking Tim Donaghy.
meanwhile in Lin-land, he was shuttling in and out down the stretch of a close game against Portland with um, Toney Douglas. Douglas has played over Lin for the entire OT, Lillard scored 27, which is his high total thus far.
but you are the one trying to be smart about one typo. argue, don’t be a smart ass. grow up
Yeah I didnt get it, TD was 2 for 10 from the field and couldnt cover Lillard just like Lin couldnt either yet they went with TD for the entire OT instead of Lin.
Yeah, it was really really weird. Douglas wasn’t giving them anything and yet they went with him the entire overtime. So strange.
As I’ve said a few times, Lillard is really impressing me. I never thought he’d be this good. He might be a real challenger for rookie of the year!
You guys are lucky you didn’t match Houston’s ridic offer to Lin
What is with the need to preface comments about Melo with, “I don’t like Melo, but….”
See that so much.
Why can’t you embrace him at this point?
Here is another one who loves side-tracking. Take it easy! The phrase was just meant to emphasize my main argument. It’s was not about Melo. Relax! No war is waved against your idol. We all know Melo is not is a different Melo this season.
caught the 2nd half tonight (of both the last 2 games actually). they probably shouldnt have won last night but parker and manu had a rough go. tonight considering they were a bit off and the officials calling everything (not as slanted as knick fans will cry. but still. some questionable things) i think it will be ok. they really do fight back though. a good team. some bad body language but i’m fine with it for the most part.
and yes as ruru has stated something is a bit off with tyson. though he isn’t mediocre. he is putting up good numbers. 248 ws/48 going into tonight you can’t complain too much. it’s not his fault but with melo playing the 4 he really needs to pick up his rebounding for the team to really be a contender. but 10 rb per 36 with a 13.4 orb% is pretty good. he hasn’t been as an obvious presence as last year though. im not sure its because he is battling slight injuries/illness but i think he will be fine.
Memphis played great and deserved the win. I know it was a bad whistle but with Chandler and Melo just getting destroyed on the boards (Chandler’s defensive rebounding really needs to improve) and JR struggling from the field, I don’t think they would have won anyway.
Amar’e certainly would have helped- esp. during that 19-1 run while Melo was on the bench- he’d also create some match-up problems as neither Randolph nor Gasol can stay in front of him so hopefully you’d see less of the big line-ups that just killed the Knicks tonight.
yea i watched a bunch of the game. having TD “great” floaters (in more ways than one) in a tightly contested game in OT something really has to be questioned with the coaching staff. lin did an alright job on liliard throughout even that shot to go ahead in the 4th the defense want that bad. he was really close to a jump ball or at least a foul a close foul at the very worst. lillard is so good though. seriously. why does anyone think TD could guard him? lin also had some great passes that weren’t converted.
also lin puts up the weirdiest stat lines. if i dont watch the game and check the box score i would be surprised if he put up a line with 2 points. 15 assists. 12 tos. 9 blocks. 8 rb (all offensive). 7 sts. at least 12 missed shots. perfect from 3 somehow though. i guy can fill a box score with the best and worse of things. love him
I just finished watching this game. That Rockets coach are as incompetent as they come.
Current Defensive Statistics from Synergy Sports, including the Portland game…
Points Per Possession Allowed
Jeremy Lin – 0.71 (50th in the NBA of ALL positions)
Toney Douglas – 0.87 (151st in the NBA of ALL positions)
Opponent FG%
Jeremy Lin – 34.4%
Toney Douglas – 42.5%
Opponent 3pt%
Jeremy Lin – 33.3%
Toney Douglas – 37.5%
Overall Opponent %Score
Jeremy Lin – 32.5%
Toney Douglas – 38.2%
well done knicknyk.
i always thought the narrative on lin being a terrible defender is overblown. he’s spotty. ball watches too much sometimes. and his pick and roll defense needs some work. though he has a good feel for isolation defense. while he over helps too much he has shown improvement from last year. i dont think he will ever be a shut down perimeter defender but i think if he keeps working he can be a somewhat above average point defensively.
his handle has improved and he seems to be progressing as a distributor. he still seems to be trying to figure out how he should score in this offense with harden. his jumper has been pretty bad. he still does a lot of silly lin things. him and asik combine for a few laugh out loud moments a game. but its entertaing and i think both will live up to their contracts (8m a year for both i believe).
as for TD.
TDDWTDD
only 7 TO for the knicks point guards the last 2 games. i still cant get over it. they take care of the ball so well even with the pace being a bit faster the last 2 games.
i didnt watch the lakers game. just some highlights. does anyone else think howard and dantoni will get along really well? they can crack stupid jokes together. not take things too seriously but get super pissed when the calls goes against them. then make fun of how creepy and ridiculous kobe is. then he will get annoyed and somehow will elevate his game. some how play with in a dantoni offense and taking over the game to be a better and more “unselfish” player than nash. dantoni will give weird smile to kobe’s “beaver” scowl and howard will do some stupid dance.
What is everyones thoughts on Dragics play if anyone has been watching the Suns? Just curious.
have seen a parts of few games this year (as well as preseason. i was interested to see how he would fill in for nash). as well as some late season starts from last on year on houston. i think he is one of the most underrated points in the league (pretty much him and lowry. which is a bit ironic since they were on the same team last year).
he is a really “balanced” player. does everything really well. nothing elite but is so solid across the board. solid defender. great passer. has a good handle. good shooter. since he is on the same contract as lin (with a 4th year)i was confused why houston didnt bring him back. hes a better player than lin (to be fair he backed up nash early in his career and has been in the league longer so his development curve was easier). he’s 26 so he is still young. his last 3 years (starting in houston after the trade) including this one show an upward progression if you look at the raw numbers and advanced stats.
i dont know if he will ever be an all-star. phoenix system (dantoni basically) will work for him. i like him alot
Yeah, Dragic has done well for them so far. The Phoenix approach really confuses me. Not Dragic so much (as they’re still basically running D’Antoni’s offense there and you need a guy like Dragic to run it, so it made sense to sign him long term) but more the whole “building a #8 seed team without upside” thing. I mean, making the playoffs is good, I guess, but this PHoenix team has basically no upside but is decent enough to compete for the playoffs. Such an approach is odd to me. I’d much rather tank and rebuild than add veterans that will just make you just good enough to maybe get a #7 seed.
i agree. though after trading nash for them to straight tank would be rough for their fans. this year at least.
gortat has some trade value. scola being an amnesty pickup i assume its one year and he can can be let go. dudley is an ok player who can be traded for a pick (think the houston budinger trade to MIN) or some upside player/s down the line.
i assume if they want to tank they certainly have the means to do so very soon.
dragic was a familiar player for the fans (25 pt outburst in the spurs sweep in the ’10 playoffs). helps the fans get over nash somewhat. that coupled with the marshall pick. i kind of understand what they are doing.
the beasley signing on the other hand….
I was wondering because I have been engaging back & forth with a Suns bloggger & he absolutely hates Goran. Something I heard last year in Houston during his 28 starts was that he struggles to run an offense. Like I always felt the kid has limited essential PG skills. I actually think he would be better suited playing the SG position & that they should free Kendall Marshall. The Suns shoot a higher FG% with Dragic off the floor. Like the numbers between how the team plays with him on the court vs on the bench are kind of bad. Like I get numbers don’t tell you everything but still.