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		<title>By: Nick C.</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2012-13-game-thread-east-vs-west/#comment-420429</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 14:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the sub-standard gyms, lighting conditions, quality of the basketballs and the smoke(ing) in the arenas didn&#039;t help. But comparing shooting percentages from then in a vacuum is like saying Honus Wagner sucked at fielding because he made 30 errors in a season without referencing the size and quality of gloves or the infield conditions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the sub-standard gyms, lighting conditions, quality of the basketballs and the smoke(ing) in the arenas didn&#8217;t help. But comparing shooting percentages from then in a vacuum is like saying Honus Wagner sucked at fielding because he made 30 errors in a season without referencing the size and quality of gloves or the infield conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Z-man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Z-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 13:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-420417&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-420417&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brian&#032;Cronin&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
Also, note that Dennis Rodman was an important part of five NBA championships, so even if Russell did not adapt offensively to the modern NBA (I think he would), just on defense and rebounding alone he could win multiple titles like Rodman.


&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Rodman is an excellent comparison, a guy who put up monster rebounding numbers in the modern NBA at a time when fewer shots were taken, and could effectively defend bigger players. Russell was a similar athlete, perhaps even better (he had world-class track and field credentials, especially in the high jump). Other guys today put up big rebounding numbers in stretches, Kevin Love and recently Tyson Chandler are two examples. 

Russell&#039;s understanding of and commitment to winning are unparalleled, and that&#039;s what set him apart. You might say that he turned himself into the greatest role player of all time. He not only defined his own role perfectly, he made sure that everyone on the team understood their roles perfectly. These are qualities that are in short supply in today&#039;s NBA. Bill Simmons talks about his grasp of &quot;the secret&quot; at length in his Book of Basketball (he&#039;s an unabashed Celts homer, but his chapters on Russell vs. Chamberlain and on what he calls The Pantheon are pretty good.

Regarding his shooting, take a good look at the league-wide shooting percentages, hardly anyone shot 50%. It was a run and gun game with 15-20 footers galore.

One of the most underrated athletic feats of all time is Chamberlain&#039;s playing 48.5 mpg at a time when there were many more trips up and down the court than there are now, and having the scoring and rebounding numbers he had (he averaged 40 shots and 25 rebounds per game!) Even as a 36-year old man with bad knees in &#039;72-&#039;73 he out-rebounded league MVP Kareem and played 43 mpg]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-420417" rel="nofollow">Brian&#032;Cronin</a></strong>:<br />
Also, note that Dennis Rodman was an important part of five NBA championships, so even if Russell did not adapt offensively to the modern NBA (I think he would), just on defense and rebounding alone he could win multiple titles like Rodman.</p>
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<p>Rodman is an excellent comparison, a guy who put up monster rebounding numbers in the modern NBA at a time when fewer shots were taken, and could effectively defend bigger players. Russell was a similar athlete, perhaps even better (he had world-class track and field credentials, especially in the high jump). Other guys today put up big rebounding numbers in stretches, Kevin Love and recently Tyson Chandler are two examples. </p>
<p>Russell&#8217;s understanding of and commitment to winning are unparalleled, and that&#8217;s what set him apart. You might say that he turned himself into the greatest role player of all time. He not only defined his own role perfectly, he made sure that everyone on the team understood their roles perfectly. These are qualities that are in short supply in today&#8217;s NBA. Bill Simmons talks about his grasp of &#8220;the secret&#8221; at length in his Book of Basketball (he&#8217;s an unabashed Celts homer, but his chapters on Russell vs. Chamberlain and on what he calls The Pantheon are pretty good.</p>
<p>Regarding his shooting, take a good look at the league-wide shooting percentages, hardly anyone shot 50%. It was a run and gun game with 15-20 footers galore.</p>
<p>One of the most underrated athletic feats of all time is Chamberlain&#8217;s playing 48.5 mpg at a time when there were many more trips up and down the court than there are now, and having the scoring and rebounding numbers he had (he averaged 40 shots and 25 rebounds per game!) Even as a 36-year old man with bad knees in &#8217;72-&#8217;73 he out-rebounded league MVP Kareem and played 43 mpg</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2012-13-game-thread-east-vs-west/#comment-420420</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 10:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just used Barkley as an example since he was a guy whose body didn&#039;t seem to fit the modern NBA but was still able to get a ton of rebounds and be an offensive presence at the 4.

But sure, if you want to go with &quot;Dennis Rodman with an offensive game,&quot; that&#039;s fine, too (note that Rodman was two inches shorter than Russell). 

The biggest change with Russell is that he likely would have to be a 4 in the modern NBA and not a 5, unless he&#039;s playing in a small ball lineup. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just used Barkley as an example since he was a guy whose body didn&#8217;t seem to fit the modern NBA but was still able to get a ton of rebounds and be an offensive presence at the 4.</p>
<p>But sure, if you want to go with &#8220;Dennis Rodman with an offensive game,&#8221; that&#8217;s fine, too (note that Rodman was two inches shorter than Russell). </p>
<p>The biggest change with Russell is that he likely would have to be a 4 in the modern NBA and not a 5, unless he&#8217;s playing in a small ball lineup. </p>
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		<title>By: jon abbey</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 10:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barkley isn&#039;t a good comparison, he was all offense and little defense and Russell was the opposite. there are so many distinctions made there it ends up being kind of a pointless comparison IMO, like trying to compare Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barkley isn&#8217;t a good comparison, he was all offense and little defense and Russell was the opposite. there are so many distinctions made there it ends up being kind of a pointless comparison IMO, like trying to compare Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 10:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, note that Dennis Rodman was an important part of five NBA championships, so even if Russell did not adapt offensively to the modern NBA (I think he would), just on defense and rebounding alone he could win multiple titles like Rodman.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, note that Dennis Rodman was an important part of five NBA championships, so even if Russell did not adapt offensively to the modern NBA (I think he would), just on defense and rebounding alone he could win multiple titles like Rodman.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 10:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Russell played today, I think he&#039;d be a taller/thinner version of Charles Barkley, with less offensive skills but a much better defender. And that alone is enough to build an NBA champion around him. However, on top of that, we never really got to see Barkley go all out, as he did not have the same will to win as other great players, let alone a psycho like Russell or Jordan. So imagine an insanely motivated, taller/thinner Charles Barkley. That dude would get you to some NBA championships. Would you win? Depends on his teammates, but still, that&#039;s a Hall of Fame-level guy.

Also, note that Dennis Rodman was an important part of five NBA championships, so even if Russell did not adapt offensively to the modern NBA (I think he would), just on defense and rebounding alone he could win multiple titles like Rodman.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Russell played today, I think he&#8217;d be a taller/thinner version of Charles Barkley, with less offensive skills but a much better defender. And that alone is enough to build an NBA champion around him. However, on top of that, we never really got to see Barkley go all out, as he did not have the same will to win as other great players, let alone a psycho like Russell or Jordan. So imagine an insanely motivated, taller/thinner Charles Barkley. That dude would get you to some NBA championships. Would you win? Depends on his teammates, but still, that&#8217;s a Hall of Fame-level guy.</p>
<p>Also, note that Dennis Rodman was an important part of five NBA championships, so even if Russell did not adapt offensively to the modern NBA (I think he would), just on defense and rebounding alone he could win multiple titles like Rodman.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 07:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bledsoe for Millsap...wow, that trade rumor would make a lot of sense for both teams. The Clippers could afford to re-sign Millsap and it would help keep Chris Paul in L.A. And Blesdoe would be &lt;strong&gt;perfect&lt;/strong&gt; for Utah.

The only thing is if Paul doesn&#039;t re-sign, the Clippers are effed by not having Bledsoe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bledsoe for Millsap&#8230;wow, that trade rumor would make a lot of sense for both teams. The Clippers could afford to re-sign Millsap and it would help keep Chris Paul in L.A. And Blesdoe would be <strong>perfect</strong> for Utah.</p>
<p>The only thing is if Paul doesn&#8217;t re-sign, the Clippers are effed by not having Bledsoe.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 06:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ha! Yeah, good call. I thought that was during his injured period, but yes, obviously, he did play for that team. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Yeah, good call. I thought that was during his injured period, but yes, obviously, he did play for that team. </p>
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		<title>By: BigBlueAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>BigBlueAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 06:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry to correct you Brian but Zo won an NBA title with the Heat in 2006 :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to correct you Brian but Zo won an NBA title with the Heat in 2006 :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Cronin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2013 06:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;people forget there were only nine teams in the league for most of Russell’s career, that makes titles decidedly easier in my book than in a 30 team league.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Oh yeah, that&#039;s really the biggest roadblock to Russell winning multiple titles, the amount of teams out there. However, even with the larger amount of competition, the very best players in the NBA still tend to end up on teams that make the NBA Finals, ya know? I mean, who is the greatest player of the last 20 years to never make the NBA Finals? Chris Paul, probably, right? And would it surprise you if Chris Paul never made the NBA Finals in his career? I bet the answer to that is yes (other great players from the past 20 years never to make the NBA Finals include Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady, Grant Hill, Steve Nash, STAT and Melo &lt;del&gt;, Melo and Alonzo Mourning&lt;/del&gt;. At least four of them still have a legit shot of eventually making it). 

So I think Russell would have a good chance at making the NBA Finals still and winning a couple, even if he doesn&#039;t get Tim Duncan luck and gets KG luck instead.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>people forget there were only nine teams in the league for most of Russell’s career, that makes titles decidedly easier in my book than in a 30 team league.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh yeah, that&#8217;s really the biggest roadblock to Russell winning multiple titles, the amount of teams out there. However, even with the larger amount of competition, the very best players in the NBA still tend to end up on teams that make the NBA Finals, ya know? I mean, who is the greatest player of the last 20 years to never make the NBA Finals? Chris Paul, probably, right? And would it surprise you if Chris Paul never made the NBA Finals in his career? I bet the answer to that is yes (other great players from the past 20 years never to make the NBA Finals include Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady, Grant Hill, Steve Nash, STAT and Melo <del>, Melo and Alonzo Mourning</del>. At least four of them still have a legit shot of eventually making it). </p>
<p>So I think Russell would have a good chance at making the NBA Finals still and winning a couple, even if he doesn&#8217;t get Tim Duncan luck and gets KG luck instead.</p>
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