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Saturday, August 30, 2014

2011 Report Card: Derrick Brown

The Knicks snapped up Derrick Brown off waivers at the beginning of March, but rarely used him. He only saw 88 minutes of court time in a Knick uniform, which is much less than the 488 he saw in Charlotte. On the season, Brown had a robust ts% (58.8%) and appeared to be a strong defender, so he should have received more minutes. However it’s extremely likely that his non-existent three point shot is was kept him glued to the bench. Only once did Brown get to play more than 20 minutes in a single game. (I guess only Jared Jeffries has the wonderful intangibles that endears him to D’Antoni despite his lack offense.)

It appears that Brown has no shot to speak of, and I recall him being strictly a slasher who scored near the hoop. According to Hoopdata, an extremely high percentage (74.0%) of his shots were at the rim and he was awful between the paint and the three point line (17.0%). Even though he hit 5 of 10 three pointers in 2011, I think his career 60.6% free throw percentage is more telling of his ability to knock down an open jumper.

Given that he’ll be 24 next year, that he only made $288k last year, that he is a good defender, it seems reasonable for the Knicks to bring him back for another look. However if D’Antoni is content to leave him at the end of the bench and have his talents go to waste, then it’s best for New York to sign someone that will potentially get more use.

Report Card (5 point scale):

Offense: 3
Defense: 4
Teamwork: 3
Rootability: 3
Performance/Expectations: 4

Final Grade: I

Similarity Scores:

PlayerID FLName Year Age Tm PER TS_P eFG_P PTS ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV
0 Derrick Brown 2011 23 TOT 12.9 .588 .584 11.6 2.6 6.2 2.1 1.2 0.6 2.2
0.062 Danny Vranes 1982 23 SEA 11.2 .573 .546 12.6 2.4 6.6 1.9 0.9 0.7 2.3
0.086 Fred Roberts 1984 23 SAS 12.6 .604 .538 13.5 2.4 7.1 2.3 1.2 0.9 2.4
0.108 Josh Childress 2007 23 ATL 16.2 .586 .529 12.7 2.2 6.0 2.3 1.0 0.6 1.4
0.117 Darrin Hancock 1995 23 CHH 11.2 .554 .566 13.0 1.2 4.5 2.5 1.6 0.3 2.5
0.129 Wesley Person 1995 23 PHO 14.2 .596 .575 16.3 1.3 4.0 2.1 1.0 0.5 1.6
0.133 Michael Cage 1985 23 LAC 12.5 .582 .543 11.9 2.8 8.8 1.1 0.9 0.7 1.8
0.135 Bill Walker 2011 23 NYK 11.3 .583 .566 13.7 0.7 5.6 1.6 1.0 0.3 1.7
0.139 Rasheed Wallace 1998 23 POR 14.9 .564 .537 14.0 1.6 5.9 2.4 0.9 1.1 2.1
0.140 John Thomas 1999 23 TOR 13.7 .586 .577 10.3 3.9 8.1 0.9 1.0 0.5 1.3
0.141 Wesley Matthews 2010 23 UTA 12.3 .592 .539 13.7 0.9 3.4 2.2 1.1 0.3 1.7

125 comments on “2011 Report Card: Derrick Brown

  1. Nick C.

    Derrick Brown graded out better than Amare 3,4,3,3,4 v. 4,1,3,5,3. I have to assume there is a wicked curve or some sort of “root for the backup” thing is going on.

  2. DS

    Completely off topic but…

    But does anyone know if KB’s own John Kenney is the same that wrote this week’s Shouts & Murmurs? I’m curious. Thanks!

  3. adrenaline98

    Off Topic: Ford’s mock now shows Selby. I’ve read a lot of good articles on him. NBAdraft.net is projecting Darius Morris. Ford is predicting Morris drops to second round.

    A lot of what Selby does is score the ball. He does a lot of slashing. Thinking a pure point like Morris is probably the safer pick.

  4. John Kenney

    Wasn’t me, unfortunately. However, I did have an incredible time at the draft lottery, which will be written about soon.

    On Derrick Brown: I like him. The issue here is that the Bulls are proving that volume scorers are at their best when they have great defense around them..so for the Knicks, intuitively it makes sense that Melo’s ability to get his shot off is most valuable if we were to surround him with players who are limited offensively but strong defensively. And D’antoni’s offense is built to have the exact opposite of that lineup. So I don’t know what will happen

  5. BigBlueAL

    adrenaline98:
    Off Topic: Ford’s mock now shows Selby. I’ve read a lot of good articles on him. NBAdraft.net is projecting Darius Morris. Ford is predicting Morris drops to second round.

    A lot of what Selby does is score the ball. He does a lot of slashing. Thinking a pure point like Morris is probably the safer pick.

    Selby scored 7.9 ppg on 37% shooting.

  6. massive

    From what I’ve seen out of Josh Selby, he reminds me a lot of Russell Westbrook with a better jump shot and maybe less court vision. Honestly, he could be anything from Russell Westbrook to an undersized J.R. Smith. Selby is probably the 2nd best athlete in the draft and has “lottery talent,” whatever that means (especially in this weak draft). Apparently people are giving him a mulligan for his bad year at Kansas because he was injured and Kansas’ offense was centered around the Morris twins, which sort of froze Selby out. If we took him at #17, with Chauncey as his mentor, he could be a good NBA player despite his poor college stats. That’s just me being an optimist, though. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s terrible on this level.

  7. Owen

    “The issue here is that the Bulls are proving that volume scorers are at their best when they have great defense around them..”

    The Bulls proved that? Or the last 15 years of the Knicks did. Oh wait, that didn’t prove anything apparently….

  8. Brian Cronin

    My latest Sports Legends Revealed is up at the LA Times. It is a basketball one.

    Check it out here.

    [EDIT: Fixed the link]

  9. Owen

    Nice work Brian! I know two people who almost died from staph infections. Nothing to play with….

    Turns out Dirk’s performance last night was a record from a TS% perspective…\

    http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/29293/dirk-nowitzkis-true-shooting-percentage

    “In simplest terms, of the more than 8,500 instances in which a player has had a lot of shots in a regular season or playoff game since 1996-97, Nowitzki’s shooting performance Tuesday night was the most efficient of all of them.”

  10. GHenman

    Wouldn’t be suprised to see Brown back in Charlotte. They only waived him to clear roster space for the Wallace trade. He was expecting them to pick him back up and wasn’t very happy to become a Knick. Can’t see him wanting to sit Behind ‘Melo. Very similar to the Brewer situation.

  11. rohank

    Brian Cronin:
    My latest Sports Legends Revealed is up at the LA Times. It is a basketball one.

    Check it out here.

    [EDIT: Fixed the link]

    I’ve actually had 2 staph infections in the past year, so I can attest to how debilitating they are. I had one in the angle of my jaw, also from an ingrown hair follicle, but luckily i didn’t need IV antibiotics like Gooden did. I had it drained, which left an open wound, and I wasn’t able to play basketball for at least a couple of weeks.

  12. Brian Cronin

    From an ESPN article about the T-Wolves and the lottery:

    Minnesota has never secured the first pick in 14 entries in the lottery. Not only that, but this was the first time the Wolves moved up a spot in the order. They had the third pick twice, in 2008 (O.J. Mayo, traded to Memphis for Kevin Love) and 1992 (Christian Laettner).

    Are they trying to say that this is the first time they picked second? If so, that was a horribly awkward way of saying it, no?

  13. Frank

    can anyone clarify Brown’s contract situation for me? He’s officially a free agent, but is he restricted since he’s had less than 3 years in the league? If he is, I can’t imagine anyone really makes a move for him for much more than the minimum. Our FO liked him enough to pick him up last year even though he was unlikely to help us down the stretch (and thereby not signing the the Earl of Barron, Sean Williams, and others that we were hoping they would), so it seems like they think he has some potential down the road.

  14. SeeWhyDee77

    I really like Derrick Brown. He surprised me with his defensive awareness. I really hope he stays and improves on his jumper. I look for him to have sort of a breakout year if we re-sign him. It would be interesting to see him and JJ battle it out for the 1st Forward off the bench. I’m not sure if Brown’s defense is better than JJ’s..so that said..should we keep both?

  15. Frank

    Reading about Jimmer over at DX — and his scouting report sounds awfully similar to one Steph Curry when he was going through the draft process. I’ve barely seen Jimmer play at all, but does anyone get the sense that they are similar players? MDA and Walsh obviously loved Curry, so if Jimmer can be like Curry then that might be a dark horse pick for us, even if he is sort of a volume scorer. Although I’ll take a TS of 59 on a usage of 33 any day of the week. TS was 59+ 3 out of his 4 years.

  16. ess-dog

    Frank:
    interesting WSJ article on Steve Nash and how he spends his offseasons in NYC. Sure doesn’t sound like he’s ruling out a reunion with Amare and MDA:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703421204576331791517844336.html?mod=WSJ_NY_RIGHTTopCarousel_1

    What a funny article. I work about a stone’s throw from that field. I’m going to head over there today.

    As for Derrick Brown, I think he could be a great find if we could afford him. Isn’t he a 2nd rounder and therefore unrestricted? He’d be a great backup for Melo – he’s long and athletic and can play both forward positions. He’s a little similar to Shawne but quicker with better hops and w/o the three pt shot. But he’s younger and has a higher ceiling.

    With Fredette, the numbers are very similar to Curry’s but I wonder if he has Curry’s quickness. Clearly he’s tempting b/c he would really make teams pay for doubling on Stat or Melo with his three point shot, but we severely need more defense. I cringe when I think about Fredette guarding Rose or Rondo.

    That said, I wish we could somehow get him and Faried.

  17. flossy

    Don’t really understand the Derrick Brown love.

    The guy is going to turn 24 soon and all he knows how to do is dunk. He’s a tweener without the skills of a 3 or the size of a 4, and I honestly didn’t see that much on the defensive end that really impressed me all that much (though I guess for the Knicks we have to grade on a steep curve). Frankly he’d have to be a defensive beast to make up for what he doesn’t give you on offense. I guess he’s good at getting out in transition, but big whoop.

  18. Frank

    My feeling with Derrick Brown is that D’Antoni is desperately seeking his next Shawn Marion – the combo forward that can guard both multiple positions, hit the occasional corner 3, and crash the boards. IMO Marion was the only guy that made PHX’s D even passable during the MDA days. I think WC was his hope to fill that role, but of course he’s gone now. Looking at Draftexpress’s pre-2008 draft profile on him, they projected him to be a very solid, long defender (7’2.5″ wingspan).

    Meanwhile, not sure what’s up with Brown’s FT shooting – looks like he was 70-75% in college, then has slumped to 50-60% since the pros.

    Re: resigning Brown – I sort of think he is our RFA — after vainly looking through Larry Coon’s cap FAQ for something definitive, I think it looks like players with <3 years of experience in the league are restricted for all intents and purposes, the so-called Gilbert Arenas provision. If that is indeed the case, we need as many mid-high ceiling players as cheaply as possible. We have no depth, so it's not like we don't need backup 3's and 4s even though we have Melo and Amare. If they liked him enough to pick him up, it's likely they want to see how he does with a real training camp before letting a young guy with some upside and a cheap contract walk away.

  19. ess-dog

    But a team could conceivably offer Brown a 3 year deal at 2 mil per that we just wouldn’t match, I assume.

  20. Brian Cronin

    Heck, I don’t believe that the Knicks would match a 2 year contract at 3 million total.

  21. adrenaline98

    I’ve always been a huge fan of Steve Nash. Can’t say enough good things about him. Even at 39, I’d like to see him in a Knicks uniform. He may not play as efficiently as he once did, and he may not be playing as many minutes, but man, who wouldn’t want THAT guy to mentor a young PG for us.

    I hope he eventually finds his way here, just so we can have the ‘Steve Nash effect’ at some point around this team.

  22. taggart4800

    http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Greg-Smith-5817/

    Smith is wearing a Knicks practice shirt and claims his nba model is Amare. Hardly ground breaking but Billups is in attendance at Impact and is dishing to Kawhi Leonard in his video. Seems like the knicks are really scouring this draft and I now fully expect them to buy a few picks especially in the second round.

    Smith is 6’10” 250 and like the piece states, his hands are so big he makes the ball look like a grapefruit. I really dislike his shooting mechanics but he has good size.

  23. adrenaline98

    He is intriguing for a second round guy. Doesn’t seem like scouts know much about him though. What I want to know is what his motor is like. Amar’e has an amazing motor.

    Smith also doesn’t have nearly the athletic talent that Stat had coming out of high school. I remember him driving to the middle of the paint a la Patrick Ewing, and instead of a baby hook, he dunked it on Tim Duncan’s face. Unfortunately, we don’t have that Amar’e anymore due to those surgeries.

  24. CRJoe

    “I guess only Jared Jeffries has the wonderful intangibles that endears him to D’Antoni despite his lack {of} offense.”
    This is exactly what bothers me about D Brown… Subpar offensive player, decent defender, too old to grow into a significant player… He was a decent filler last year when he had every single weakness in the book, but now we should look into younger talent that could be developed…

    On a side note, after a longer than expected period of mourning, I’m back to the only Knicks blog worth of keeping bookmarked…

  25. taggart4800

    It would be really cool to see Nash play out his final year or two back with MDA and STAT spotting minutes at PG. He would be a great influence to any young point guard on the team as well as being a great influence in general.
    Im just not sure how a situation would arise where he would be a viable option other than him taking the vets minimum next year. Even then, do we have a need for him? To trade for him this season would require more than just billups which makes little sense.

  26. adrenaline98

    cgreene: @27 take a little heart in this. it happened like 3 weeks ago.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNX8L0fWQjY

    I loved that dunk. That dunk was all heart, put the team on his shoulders, gotta get it to go dunk.

    But I’m sorry. He is 27, should be in the prime of his career. Instead, he’s losing some of those physical talents due to surgeries. Look at what his elevation used to be.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcsuqFuWqps&feature=related

    That’s not to say his other qualities are 2006-2007esque. His leadership and heart is so much greater than it used to be. Everyone used to question his work ethic, especially if you read the book SSOL.

    His mid-range game, even beyond 3 point line, has improved dramatically. We got a much more complete Amar’e. But part of me wishes he’d have that physical talent like he did before the knee surgeries.

    Then again, the fact that he can’t fly around like superman anymore is probably why the other qualities that he shows every night on the Knicks got developed.

  27. taggart4800

    @27 I think scouts were rightfully questioning his motor but i just had this niggling feeling that the Knicks had spent some time talking to him and he appears to have put a lot of work in prior to the combine. I really find all the background maneuvering fascinating. It is certainly a good sign that Billups is there and experiencing their work ethic first hand.

  28. adrenaline98

    Yep, he seems to have a knack for the post game, especially with such big hands. I don’t like hearing a player saying “I’m working on motor skills” etc. I’m not sure if he was talking about his motor, or just movement/footwork in general, which is also rather scary. I much rather hear it from a coach/scout. If you notice, everyone is saying Faried has amazing this and that, but his shortcoming is being 6’7-6’8. This guy is 6’10, and with a Faried motor, those hands, and some post up skills, could be a Karl Malone if he works damn hard at it.

    Walsh also has a good history of picking solid role playing big man – see Antonio Davis. He does better in the late rounds than he does early with big men – see Jordan Hill.

    If this guy is a second rounder, and he wants to be here, and has a good motor, he could be a steal too.

    I’m much more intrigued by Darius Morris that ess-dog has brought up. His passing/court vision just looks so good in those highlights, that if he can do it on a more regular basis, he’d be an asset. He just needs a 3pt shot, which he only shot 25% of. My #17th pick changes daily at this point. We really need a PG that can distribute. Even Billups isn’t a real ‘distributor.’ I think if you take a big man and he fails to contribute, it would be a major headache. But if you took a pass-first guard with court vision, and you lack the big man, you can revert back to D’Antoni’s SSOL, with maybe having Billups play some 2guard a la Denver with Lawson.

  29. adrenaline98

    ess-dog: This is always great to hear:http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/213775/Billups_Not_Fully_Recovered_From_Knee_Injury_Will_Have_Second_MRI

    This would be scary if it were August. But aging players typically take a bit longer to recover. So it’s not a surprise he’s not 100% and he may need some minor surgeries. I don’t think it’s that big of a deal though. I fully expect Billups to contribute next year in a highly positive way, which is another reason to take a PG in the draft. Billups is a winner.

  30. taggart4800

    Does anybody know what the maximum number of draft picks a team can buy is? I figured the knicks would look to buy at least 2 this year but I was wondering whether there is actually a restriction. It would make for an interesting method of cap management. Clear everyone out and then use the ample Dolan dollars to secure cheap non guaranteed contracts with players you have heavily scouted.

  31. Thomas B.

    How does he get a grade at all in just 88 minutes of court time? And how could he have earned a 4 in just 88 minutes of court time?

    Remember when Jerome James, the other King James, had a sick ws/48 of .613, a TS% 1.064, an eFG% of 1.000, a DRB% of 70.6, and a TRB% of 34.2. All career highs. Why not grade James? Was it because he only played 5 minutes? Well why does Brown get a grade with less than two full games of play time? At most he should have been graded pass fail, probably should have be NA. Can’t wait for the scores for Balkman and Rautins.

  32. Frank

    man, you have to feel bad for some of these kids at the combine. they’re what, 19-22 years old and probably not really prepared for the media frenzy that comes with the combine. poor Travis Leslie gets caught on video saying straight out he’s better than 2nd-team NBA defense Tony Allen, then tries to deny that he said it. If I’m an agent for these guys, it’s Derek Jeter quotes all the way. I’d have them watching loops of Derek Jeter interviews with their eyes taped open like in Clockwork Orange. They can do all the trash talking they want once the draft is over.

  33. adrenaline98

    Wow, I know it’s against Euro Competition but check out:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFqK-YXlsHs

    Donatas Motiejunas. My god he looks refined for a 19 yr old. Active 7 Ft with 3 point range. And by 3 pt. range, I don’t mean he looks slow like Bargnani. He looks like Mozgov with better skills and a long range shot.

    Ford projects him to go 21.

  34. Brian Cronin

    I figured the knicks would look to buy at least 2 this year but I was wondering whether there is actually a restriction.

    I don’t believe there is a restriction. The Knicks likely would not try to buy any first rounders this year, but I could see them try to load up on second rounders.

  35. ess-dog

    adrenaline98:
    Wow, I know it’s against Euro Competition but check out:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFqK-YXlsHs

    Donatas Motiejunas. My god he looks refined for a 19 yr old. Active 7 Ft with 3 point range. And by 3 pt. range, I don’t mean he looks slow like Bargnani. He looks like Mozgov with better skills and a long range shot.

    Ford projects him to go 21.

    You miss Gallo, don’t you?

    Seriously though, looks like a good shooter and his post moves look a lot more graceful than Gallo’s. DX has him going at 9. This sentence scares me though:

    “While Motiejunas’ average efforts boxing out and lackluster hustle could get better with age and coaching, he just doesn’t have very good instincts for rebounding, making it tough to see just how much he can improve down the road in this area.”

    From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Donatas-Motiejunas-1300/#ixzz1Mq1ykibN
    http://www.draftexpress.com

  36. nicos

    Brian Cronin: I don’t believe there is a restriction. The Knicks likely would not try to buy any first rounders this year, but I could see them try to load up on second rounders.

    Unfortunately, I don’t see any of the early second round picks being up for sale. I’m sure they could buy a mid/late second rounder but draft is already pretty weak so you have to wonder if they’d be able to pull another Fields out of the hat. I’d guess the Bulls would sell one of their late first rounders but then you’re talking guaranteed contract so it’s unlikely the Knicks would want to do that. I could see the Knicks doing it if someone unexpected falls to them at 17 (like Motiejunas) and someone that they worked out and really liked was available at 30. It’s only a problem if the Knicks need to clear cap space but unless a guy is a complete bust the Knicks should be able to move a late first rounder by sending enough cash to cover most of the cost of the contract.

  37. ess-dog

    If we stay at 17, I still think Faried is the best choice with Jimmer a very close 2nd. I think if one of the euros fall (Biyombo or Montiejunas) you have to strongly consider them too. I think of the point guards, Darius Morris would make me the happiest, and I’m intrigued by Charles Jenkins but as a later pick.

  38. BigBlueAL

    adrenaline98:
    Wow, I know it’s against Euro Competition but check out:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFqK-YXlsHs

    Donatas Motiejunas. My god he looks refined for a 19 yr old. Active 7 Ft with 3 point range. And by 3 pt. range, I don’t mean he looks slow like Bargnani. He looks like Mozgov with better skills and a long range shot.

    Ford projects him to go 21.

    Hahn wrote about the Knicks really liking this kid today.

  39. flossy

    BigBlueAL: Hahn wrote about the Knicks really liking this kid today.

    How could they not? A legit seven footer who can shoot threes, pass, and even has a polished post game? If he fell to the Knicks we’d be insane not to take him… he could always be the next Bargnani but it’s not like we’re wasting the 1st pick on him. And his upside is basically that he’d make out offense completely unstoppable.

    I think it’s a pipe dream though… he’s too good to last that long.

  40. Frank

    Great smokescreening by the FO so far. Depending on who you read, our NYK love Faried, Motiejunas, Jenkins, Selby, Jackson, and my 7 year old nephew.

  41. Owen

    Yeah, true. From what I heard your nephew is the total package. We are talking about unlimited upside potential. Great wingspan, athletic frame that should fill out, obscene vertical, eyes in the back of his heads, Jonny Flynn like leadership qualities, and intangibles you can’t measure on a spreadsheet in your mothers basement.

  42. BigBlueAL

    Frank:
    Great smokescreening by the FO so far. Depending on who you read, our NYK love Faried, Motiejunas, Jenkins, Selby, Jackson, and my 7 year old nephew.

    Has your nephew signed with an agent yet??

  43. d-mar

    Wow, Scott Brooks leaving Maynor and Harden in for the entire 4th quarter was incredibly ballsy. And the usual classy Durant said after the game: “you should be interviewing the bench, not me”

    We’ve got a couple of good series going, gents, should be fun.

  44. Owen

    Very true. I hope they don’t kill all the goodwill they are creating this offseason with a lockout.

  45. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    Who cares? The numbers are what matter, not the size. DeJuan Blair was a second round pick as a 6’7″ center and he averages 12 per 36.

  46. ess-dog

    flossy:
    So it turns out Kenneth Faried is shorter than Landry Fields.D’oh.

    Reports from yesterday are that his skill level is poor but his energy is off the charts – “he’s an animal”.

  47. Jim Cavan

    True, but let’s keep in mind the competition level of the Ohio Valley Conference isn’t what it is in the Big East. I like Faried, but I’m slightly worried that playing in a mediocre conference inflated his numbers slightly.

    Still, he grabbed a crap ton of boards in his two tourney games, so maybe it doesn’t really matter much. I did notice that he seemed smaller than the 6’8″ or 6’9″ he was listed at though.

  48. adrenaline98

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: Who cares? The numbers are what matter, not the size. DeJuan Blair was a second round pick as a 6’7? center and he averages 12 per 36.

    Mostly because the potential of a bigman is often measured by his height. No one thinks Blair is the next KG.

    Then again, most big men don’t live up to their potential, and landing a quality big like Blair at 17 is really good already.

  49. outoftowner

    I just looked up Blair’s combine height: 6 5.25″. So, Faried at 6 6″ is still 3/4 inch taller than he is.

  50. adrenaline98

    Yea, Donata’s rebounding is very suspect. If you can’t rebound well in Euroleague, you most likely won’t in the NBA. As a PF/C, playing
    27 minutes a game, and grabbing 4-6 rebounds depending on league play, you’re looking at Stat 2.0.

    Then again, he is only 20 years old, and rail thin at 7′ 215 lbs, and for the most part, you do need the bulk to bang. If his motor is good, he can improve it.

  51. outoftowner

    adrenaline98:
    Yea, Donata’s rebounding is very suspect. If you can’t rebound well in Euroleague, you most likely won’t in the NBA. As a PF/C, playing
    27 minutes a game, and grabbing 4-6 rebounds depending on league play, you’re looking at Stat 2.0.

    Then again, he is only 20 years old, and rail thin at 7? 215 lbs, and for the most part, you do need the bulk to bang. If his motor is good, he can improve it.

    Can he play the 3 in the NBA? Looking at the highlights vid he looked a lot like Gallo.

  52. flossy

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    Who cares? The numbers are what matter, not the size. DeJuan Blair was a second round pick as a 6’7? center and he averages 12 per 36.

    Yes but Blair has “Barkley ass.” If you’re going to be a short ‘big’ man in the NBA it helps to have dumps like a truck.

    Faried is built more like Gerald Wallace, who was also kind of unskilled when he was drafted but played with reckless abandon. It also took Gerald Wallace three years and a trade see more than garbage time.

  53. flossy

    Montejunas apparently is pretty apathetic on defense and on the boards. On the other hand he is shockingly skilled for a 20 y/o legit 7’0″ player, with nice post moves, a three point shot and great court vision for a big dude. If he’s still on the board I bet we take him, play him at center and win 55 games next year by an average score of 120-117.

  54. ess-dog

    flossy: Yes but Blair has “Barkley ass.”If you’re going to be a short ‘big’ man in the NBA it helps to have dumps like a truck.

    Faried is built more like Gerald Wallace, who was also kind of unskilled when he was drafted but played with reckless abandon.It also took Gerald Wallace three years and a trade see more than garbage time.

    Wallace only played one college season though. Faried should be able to step in and contribute right away.

    But honestly, I just do not see D’Antoni being on board with Faried. The combo of not being able to shoot from distance and not having height smells like Anthony Randolph to me.

  55. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    flossy: Yes but Blair has “Barkley ass.”If you’re going to be a short ‘big’ man in the NBA it helps to have dumps like a truck.

    Faried is built more like Gerald Wallace, who was also kind of unskilled when he was drafted but played with reckless abandon.It also took Gerald Wallace three years and a trade see more than garbage time.

    That’s where all the power comes from. Nate Robinson’s probably got glutes like a Tremont stripper.

    I truly believe that height does not matter. There are players like Curry and Bargnani who are exceptionally tall but can’t rebound for their lives, and there are players like Faried and Blair who exhibit the “Moneyball” syndrome where we don’t see a prototypical frame or figure and immediately assume that the numbers lie. I’ll be ecstatic if they pick him up. Between him and Fields, we’d have two of the best rebounding players under 6’7″ in the league.

  56. flossy

    ess-dog: Wallace only played one college season though.Faried should be able to step in and contribute right away.

    But honestly, I just do not see D’Antoni being on board with Faried.The combo of not being able to shoot from distance and not having height smells like Anthony Randolph to me.

    Eh, I’m not sure how spending four years in school really helps his case if he hasn’t spent that time developing a jump shot or ball-handling skills. He’s the size of an NBA SG/SF… he needs to be able to do more than just rebound and play D, especially for D’Antoni, who I think would almost certainly relegate him to the Randolph/Corey Brewer dustbin of players who fuck up the offense too much to be worth it.

  57. ess-dog

    flossy: Eh, I’m not sure how spending four years in school really helps his case if he hasn’t spent that time developing a jump shot or ball-handling skills.He’s the size of an NBA SG/SF… he needs to be able to do more than just rebound and play D, especially for D’Antoni, who I think would almost certainly relegate him to the Randolph/Corey Brewer dustbin of players who fuck up the offense too much to be worth it.

    Could he be worse offensively than Jeffries? Even if he’s just a littler better offensively than Jeffries, I say take him.

  58. outoftowner

    flossy: Eh, I’m not sure how spending four years in school really helps his case if he hasn’t spent that time developing a jump shot or ball-handling skills.He’s the size of an NBA SG/SF… he needs to be able to do more than just rebound and play D, especially for D’Antoni, who I think would almost certainly relegate him to the Randolph/Corey Brewer dustbin of players who fuck up the offense too much to be worth it.

    I sure hope the Knicks aren’t making draft decisions based on who D’Antoni will be willing to play. He might only be our coach for another season (shortened season at that). Or maybe I just haven’t gotten over the AR / Corey Brewer thing.

  59. flossy

    ess-dog: Could he be worse offensively than Jeffries?Even if he’s just a littler better offensively than Jeffries, I say take him.

    I think if we’re even asking the question “Could he be worse offensively than Jeffries?” we should be running in the other direction.

    But really though, Jeffries got way too much playing time, in part because of Pringles’ bizarre faith in his intangible contributions to the defense and veteran savvy (qualities that become more valuable when you have no better options I guess)…

    Not only does it run contrary to everything we know about how D’Antoni likes to operate, think it’s asking a lot of a coach whose job will be on the line next year to give heavy minutes to a rookie who is an undersized, unskilled, effort player.

  60. flossy

    outoftowner: I sure hope the Knicks aren’t making draft decisions based on who D’Antoni will be willing to play.He might only be our coach for another season (shortened season at that). Or maybe I just haven’t gotten over the AR / Corey Brewer thing.

    Considering our major depth issues, can we really afford to burn a first round pick on someone we know won’t play? Like it or not, D’Antoni will be the coach next year, so a rookie who can contribute immediately will have to contribute to a team coached by D’Antoni.

  61. SeeWhyDee77

    I’m sittin here thinkin..If Walsh were able to trade for Sessions, which I would have no problem with, it would likely take Douglas and Walker…so..I would still draft Jackson even with Sessions on the roster. It makes sense since Jackson can actually play PG as opposed to the kid from Hofstra. And we will need a 3rd PG with Billups in town and a back up to Sessions when Billups leaves. Til then Jackson can play the SG spot in spurts off the bench. He stands to learn alot about runnin an offense from Sessions and Billups if those moves were made.

  62. ess-dog

    I think it could be possible to trade up to Houston’s spot at 14 for a 2nd rounder. There we could actually get Marikeff Morris or possibly Biyombo or Thompson. I would probably go for Faried, but it sounds like Walsh wants a legit big man.

  63. Matt Smith

    This just in (maybe just in a few weeks ago, haven’t been paying attention): Landry posts the lowest PER of any eligible playoff player this postseason at a .33.

  64. Frank

    The Honorable Cock Jowles
    I truly believe that height does not matter. There are players like Curry and Bargnani who are exceptionally tall but can’t rebound for their lives, and there are players like Faried and Blair who exhibit the “Moneyball” syndrome where we don’t see a prototypical frame or figure and immediately assume that the numbers lie.

    Ummm… you don’t think height matters for rebounding? If you look at the top 75 guys in rebounding rate last year, a whole 2 of them are shorter than 6’8″ — Blair and Chuck Hayes. Height doesn’t have to mean EVERYTHING, but don’t you think that if you put Faried’s hustle, instincts, and athleticism into a 7 footer he would probably get 20 rebounds/game?

    Guys like Blair, Hayes, and Faried are the way way way out there outliers amongst a bunch of guys that are already outliers compared to the general population. I think Faried will be a very good pickup — not sure if we have the luxury of picking up a better version of Balkman, but I wouldn’t be upset if he fell to us.

    Meanwhile, the Morris brothers look like they’re both 6’7″-ish. Ouch. That guy Vucevic looked like the biggest guy there, almost 7′ in shoes and with the biggest wingspan and standing reach.

    Jeremy Tyler also looks to have a ridiculous wingspan. Based on just about nothing, I’d love to see us pick up a 2nd rounder and get him. Seems like a good story – top-ranked high school kid gets a hard lesson in life and comes back stronger and tougher.

  65. massive

    Jeremy Tyler was dominant in the minutes he received this year. Playing in Japan, he averaged 9.9 points and 6.4 rebounds a game playing only 15.4 minutes a game. I wouldn’t mind (buying and) using a 2nd round pick on him at all. He has elite athleticism and a good motor to go along with a good mid-range game and a 6’11″ frame. Sounds like a steal in the late rounds, unless the competition in Japan is worse than Division 2 NCAA Basketball.

  66. nicos

    The Honorable Cock Jowles:
    Who cares? The numbers are what matter, not the size. DeJuan Blair was a second round pick as a 6’7? center and he averages 12 per 36.

    And Blair spent the playoffs glued to the bench because he couldn’t guard anybody- in part because he’s just not tall enough. Faried’s not nearly as bulky as Blair or Chuck Hayes so you have to wonder how he’s going to fare guarding the post in the NBA.

  67. Richmond County

    RE: Jeremy Tyler
    Jeremy Tyler decided to forgo his Senior Year…of High School. Character concerns anyone? Although I suppose that means he has unprecedented professional experience for a player his age…

  68. Owen

    “And Blair spent the playoffs glued to the bench because he couldn’t guard anybody- in part because he’s just not tall enough.”

    Yeah, true. It’s fair to ask if that was a good decision considering how poorly Splitter performed. I kind of wonder whether Blair might have given Randolph more trouble with his size than Splitter did with his length. Haven’t done any looking into it though…

  69. ess-dog

    I would pass on Tyler.
    And Faried is almost exactly the same size as Melo strangely enough.
    It’s not good to get caught up in measurements but Vucevic measures out great with height and length. He would be worth a flier in the 2nd.

    Such a weak draft. Only about 6 lottery talents. A lot of rotation potential, but not a lot of guys that look like starters, right? Maybe we should just trade for a 2012 pick?

  70. MSA

    Splitter’s playoff numbers
    PER: 21, WS/48: 0.156, TS: .577

    Blair’s numbers
    PER: 9.6, WS/48: -0.021, TS: .366

    Blair deserved his time glued to the bench.

  71. Frank

    I’m kinda getting a weird feeling that Josh Selby’s the guy. He’ll be there for us at 17. The NY papers are saying that Melo has been an advisor for him. And here’s a quote from Billups, who has been working with him in Vegas:

    “These guys are really good. All of them have a chance to be awesome, man, to be honest with you. Josh Selby I’m really impressed with. He’s been awesome, man. All of those guys got a chance to be really good. ”

    If you watch some of his HS highlights (yes I know, it’s high school), he looks like Derrick Rose out there with his crazy athleticism. I’d be very ok with that.

  72. chrisk06811

    Richmond County: RE: Jeremy TylerJeremy Tyler decided to forgo his Senior Year…of High School. Character concerns anyone?

    I didn’t do shit my senior year in highschool, and my character isn’t being questioned. At least Tyler didn’t get drunk and cheat on his latin final like I did.

  73. flossy

    Frank:
    I’m kinda getting a weird feeling that Josh Selby’s the guy. He’ll be there for us at 17.The NY papers are saying that Melo has been an advisor for him.And here’s a quote from Billups, who has been working with him in Vegas:

    “These guys are really good. All of them have a chance to be awesome, man, to be honest with you. Josh Selby I’m really impressed with. He’s been awesome, man. All of those guys got a chance to be really good. ”

    If you watch some of his HS highlights (yes I know, it’s high school), he looks like Derrick Rose out there with his crazy athleticism.I’d be very ok with that.

    I believe it was Melo’s business manager that gave him the improper gifts that got him suspended by the NCAA. Make of that what you will. He seems like his game is more suited for the NBA than college and if on the right team could eventually be a Monta Ellis/Eric Gordon (best case) or maybe more likely Jerryd Bayless-type small, ball-dominant scoring guard. Not sure we really need that given all our other weaknesses but Selby has a ton of upside for a probable late first round pick.

  74. Owen

    “Splitter’s playoff numbers
    PER: 21, WS/48: 0.156, TS: .577

    Blair’s numbers
    PER: 9.6, WS/48: -0.021, TS: .366

    Blair deserved his time glued to the bench.”

    Didn’t even realize Splitter didn’t play the first three games.

  75. Brian Cronin

    Such a weak draft. Only about 6 lottery talents. A lot of rotation potential, but not a lot of guys that look like starters, right? Maybe we should just trade for a 2012 pick?

    A 2012 pick might be more appetizing to New Orleans than whoever the Knicks end up with in the first round.

  76. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    ess-dog: Could he be worse offensively than Jeffries?Even if he’s just a littler better offensively than Jeffries, I say take him.

    Here’s his eFG for his senior year: .623.

    Yeah, I’d say he’s better than Jeffries. (And to the lot of you: don’t give me the whole ‘but he has no offensive game’ b.s. If you get offensive rebounds, you’re probably getting points. He’s the perfect player to put with two chucking “superstars.” Let them miss and let him score.)

  77. KnickfaninNJ

    I seem to remember someone asking why Derrick Brown’s rating was almost as high as Stoudemire’s. It ‘s a fair question, and I think the answer relates to the cost of the player. The Knicks gave up a lot for Stoudemire, but Brown was cheap. So the standard for Stoudemire should be higher than that for Brown. But I think it would be good to make this explicit in the player ratings. Maybe you could include a line showing salary and a rating of “value for money” or something like that.

    This would be good for discussion. Consider Billups and Douglas. I agree with D’Antoni that Billups was better leading the team during the playoffs. But $14M versus $1M better, I don’t know about that.

  78. Z-man

    KnickfaninNJ:
    I seem to remember someone asking why Derrick Brown’s rating was almost as high as Stoudemire’s.It ‘s a fair question, and I think the answer relates to the cost of the player.The Knicks gave up a lot for Stoudemire, but Brown was cheap. So the standard for Stoudemire should be higher than that for Brown. But I think it would be good to make this explicit in the player ratings.Maybe you could include a line showing salary and a rating of “value for money” or something like that.

    This would be good for discussion.Consider Billups and Douglas.I agree with D’Antoni that Billups was better leading the team during the playoffs. But $14M versus $1M better, I don’t know about that.

    It is beyond ludicrous to compare Amar’e with Derrick Brown at this point. Bottom line is, only 5 players play at a time, and if Derrick Brown is one of them for any significant length of time, your team is gonna suck.

  79. Z-man

    I agree that Faried is a good bet at #17 as a guy that can contribute immediately. If he’s gone, does anyone like Justin Harper as a D’Antoni-friendly big? He reminds me a bit of Channing Frye, not necessarily a great thing, but an NBA-caliber player for sure.

  80. ess-dog

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: Here’s his eFG for his senior year: .623.

    Yeah, I’d say he’s better than Jeffries. (And to the lot of you: don’t give me the whole ‘but he has no offensive game’ b.s. If you get offensive rebounds, you’re probably getting points. He’s the perfect player to put with two chucking “superstars.” Let them miss and let him score.)

    Well that’s a major difference from Jeffries/Ant. Randolph right there. He really would be a perfect fit between Melo and Stat. Of course, then Stat is playing the 5 a lot, but this could be the perfect excuse for Mike D to keep him at the 5. “He was the best player available and we need him on the court” etc etc.

    What he has is really what the Knicks need the most: crazy hustle and energy on the court. He’ll be an instant fan favorite. And for someone with that high an efg and reb. %, he MUST be a smart player as well.

    If we get in trouble against real big guys, we have Jordan who hopefully will play well. He’s 7’1″ and I can’t imagine he’d be much different from Morris/Vucevic/Noguiera at center. He had pretty good defensive win shares in college.

    If Faried’s gone, I guess we go point guard. I’m not sure why, but Harper smells like a bust to me. But he could end up being a Robert Horry type. Who knows?

  81. Z-man

    One thing I see in Harper is the ability to shoot mid-range shots off the dribble or after the catch, he really has a beautiful stroke. He has also improved every year, seems to have a good work ethic. He also played well last year in a NCAA tournament game vs. Faried, although he was slammed to the floor by Faried on a dunk attempt, monster clean block right at the rim! Seems like Chicago is interested, that’s all they need is another shooter!

  82. ess-dog

    I think I’d maybe rather have Tobias Harris if he falls to 17. He’s young but he’s got so much natural skill. Handles the ball like a guard. He’s not exactly what we need but he can stretch the floor and he’d be the best available IMO. And he’s from L.I. Chad Ford has Faried and Marikeff going 15 and 16. Ouch. And there’s still a good chance Jimmer will be there at 17

  83. flossy

    Wow, a .623 eFG against the defensive powerhouses of the Ohio Valley Conference. I’m sold.

  84. nicos

    The Honorable Cock Jowles: Here’s his eFG for his senior year: .623.

    Yeah, I’d say he’s better than Jeffries. (And to the lot of you: don’t give me the whole ‘but he has no offensive game’ b.s. If you get offensive rebounds, you’re probably getting points. He’s the perfect player to put with two chucking “superstars.” Let them miss and let him score.)

    He took only 13(!) jump shots the entire year, shot 57% from the line and is probably too undersized to be effective in the post at all. He’ll get putbacks (and should score some in transition) but is he going to get enough put backs to make up for the fact that in half court sets you’re basically going to be playing 4 on 5 as his man is going to be free to double team all he likes? He also played the middle of a 2/3 zone his whole career so you have to wonder how effective he’s going to be guarding any 4 who can take him outside and put the ball on the floor. Don’t get me wrong, I won’t be upset if the Knicks take him but I don’t think it’s a no-brainer, slam dunk pick.

  85. flossy

    nicos: He took only 13(!) jump shots the entire year, shot 57% from the line and is probably too undersized to be effective in the post at all.He’ll get putbacks (and should score some in transition) but is he going to get enough put backs to make up for the fact that in half court sets you’re basically going to be playing 4 on 5 as his man is going to be free to double team all he likes?He also played the middle of a 2/3 zone his whole career so you have to wonder how effective he’s going to be guarding any 4 who can take him outside and put the ball on the floor.Don’t get me wrong, I won’t be upset if the Knicks take him but I don’t think it’s a no-brainer, slam dunk pick.

    The moral of the story is, we already have one 6’7″ garbage man, and at least a) we already know he is pretty good, b) he can play a position not already taken by our two star forwards c) he can be effective spotting up from three.

  86. ess-dog

    Landry’s a good rebounder *for a guard* but 7 plus rebounds a game does not a go-to rebounder make.

    I think the question really is, can Faried defend the post? Hopefully we can see this some in the draft camp. We really need a post defender so we don’t continue to get torched by opposing pfs.

    But I think it would be crazy to expect any rookie to be a lock down post defender in his first year. Although Faried has tremendous athleticism.

    Maybe a better idea would be to get Chuck Hayes and just pick the best available point guard?

  87. outoftowner

    Another thing on the Kenneth Faried issue – shouldn’t we be looking at standing reach more than height? Standing reach is what we really care about for rebounding right? Height can be misleading because there can be variations in height above the shoulders, plus it doesn’t take into account wingspan.

    Faried’s height was only 6’6″ but his standing reach was 9’0″. Compare that to current rebounding champ Kevin Love, who has a standing reach of only 8’10″, despite a height of 6′ 7.75″.

  88. adrenaline98

    The real reason that Faried is a pretty good pick is that you ‘pretty much know’ what you are getting from him. Hustle, energy, and rebounds. In a weak draft, with this many sleepers, it’s the safe choice if he’s available.

    That being said, there are some potential all-star talents (like in any other draft). The Knicks do have enough projects between Jerome Jordan, Rautins, and other unknowns at this point due to salary cap/CBA negotiations.

  89. outoftowner

    ess-dog:
    yes out of towner, plus standing vert leap somewhat.

    Exactly, and I can almost guarantee that Faried’s vertical is better than Love’s. I think he’ll be alrite as a rebounder. If he can defend the 4 position too then he could be a great NBA player.

  90. Frank

    Yeah – I’m sort of feeling as if the things we need most from this draft are size, defense, and rebounding, with spot up shooting from the 2 spot a distant 4th. If we can get 2 out of the 3 in one draft pick (ie. Singleton or Faried) I’d be very happy. Shooters are relatively easy to find (see Shawne Williams, Von Wafer, Eddie House, etc. etc.). That being said, if Klay Thompson is available at 17, you have to think pretty hard about taking an Allan Houston type.

  91. KnickfaninNJ

    Frank,

    We clearly need rebounding and some front court defense, but I am still not sure I agree with. The past two years, Donnie managed to find two reasonable point guards as free agents in Felton and Duhon. I know Duhon had major weaknesses, but having him as a backup to Billups would still be a lot better than nothing. But now we only have Douglas, Carter and Rautins. Hiring a free agent is going to be hard without a CBA in place, so Walsh may have to grit his teeth and draft a guard or take a big chance on having some point guard availability later. He may have to do this even though very, very few college players are ready to run an NBA offense when they get out of school. How would you handle the point guard situation if we draft a big guy?

  92. Frank

    I sort of feel like Billups/Douglas/Carter/Rautins makes the PG spot a non-priority for 11-12 – as compared with our 4/5 positions. We literally have only Stoudemire and Turiaf under contract for 11-12 at those 2 spots. I know we’re counting on Shawne Williams coming back, and gritting our teeth about the probably return of JJ (on a minimum contract I would presume), but right now we only have 2 frontcourt players under contract, and one of them has the ability to opt-out if he so chooses (can’t imagine Rony would do that, but it IS a possibility).

    Going forward past 2012 the PG spot is clearly a worry, so if none of the frontcourt players we like are available I’d be happy to take a shot on Reggie, Jenkins, Selby, etc., but we will have a lot of cap space in 2012. Even if CP3 doesn’t come, there are guys like Ramon Sessions who can be a UFA in 2012-13, Steve Nash on a short contract, etc. But without a rugged frontcourt guy to help get rebounds and protect STAT, there’s no chance we make a big jump next year.

    Now if Walsh has a sleeper pick like Antonio Davis in the 2nd round, that’s another story. We also probably have Jerome James coming back to the states. But I don’t think you can come out of the draft with only Amare and Turiaf under contract at the 4 and 5.

  93. GHenman

    We can probably bring back She-Wil at minimal cost as well. I just can’t see Faried getting big minutes on this team. A combo guard who can shoot the ball seems like our best bet.

  94. Z-man

    @107 “We also probably have Jerome James coming back to the states.” er, Jerome Jordan… unless Mr. James is still being paid via the isiah deal.

  95. JK47

    We gotta fix the rebounding problems. We were 26th in defensive rebounding, 24th in offensive rebounding. We’re a bad rebounding team. There may be a guy available who is very good at rebounding. If he’s on the board you gotta take him.

  96. flossy

    Someone whose only skill is rebounding is not going to get any burn on this team, period. We don’t have room for a ‘designated rebounder’ who doesn’t bring much else to the table. I mean, if it were that simple, why not just bring back Shelden Williams and be done with it? He’s a good rebounder, he’s bigger than Faried and there won’t be a rookie learning curve with him.

  97. bockadoo

    Can we sign Dalembert without jeopardizing $ for 2012 – CP3, etc…can we trade for him? Seems like he’d be perfect for us. Would love Jordan from the Clippers even more, but he’d be more expensive… If we could get him though, I’d roll with that front line for the next 4 years and forget CP3, Deron, etc…
    we could either draft or pick up a solid pass first point guard and a wing shooter.

  98. Z-man

    flossy:
    Someone whose only skill is rebounding is not going to get any burn on this team, period.We don’t have room for a ‘designated rebounder’ who doesn’t bring much else to the table.I mean, if it were that simple, why not just bring back Shelden Williams and be done with it?He’s a good rebounder, he’s bigger than Faried and there won’t be a rookie learning curve with him.

    With She-Will, there is no upside, he is what he is. With Faried, he is a high-energy rebounding machine with length, athleticism and work ethic. I don’t agree that he only has one skill, he can rebound, defend, and block shots. He is basically DeJuan Blair without the injury risk, attitude and weight concern. I would take the risk because he addresses the most glaring need that we have, not perfectly, but immediately. I also agree with others that standing reach and wingspan trump height, so the 6’6″ doesn’t bug me much.

    GHenman:
    We can probably bring back She-Wil at minimal cost as well.I just can’t see Faried getting big minutes on this team.A combo guard who can shoot the ball seems like our best bet.

    Why not? Jeffries got big minutes. There are lots of times when he can spell Melo or Amar’e, and he can play PF when Amar’e plays C and Melo is at SF.

  99. taggart4800

    Brandon Jennings is being shopped apparently. Rumors that they are looking for a starter and a pick and people putting Fields and #17 out there as a possible knicks offer. I would stress this is a twitter story, however it is from more than just a fan @Proballdraft. Source recommended by Hahn.
    Interesting decision with huge risk/reward factor. Part of me says anybody capable of scoring 50 in the NBA is good and the other says run a mile because he is a Marbury situation waiting to happen. Not a great character guy who got annoyed when the Knicks passed on him. Would be interesting to see what a PG like him could do with D’Antoni’s system and the freedom Melo and Amare create. Would be a great back up to Billups too, could really push the pace.

  100. Brian Cronin

    I know Duhon had major weaknesses, but having him as a backup to Billups would still be a lot better than nothing.

    I’d rather Anthony Carter as the backup than Duhon, that’s how bad Duhon is.

  101. The Honorable Cock Jowles

    taggart4800:
    Brandon Jennings is being shopped apparently. Rumors that they are looking for a starter and a pick and people putting Fields and #17 out there as a possible knicks offer. I would stress this is a twitter story, however it is from more than just a fan @Proballdraft. Source recommended by Hahn.
    Interesting decision with huge risk/reward factor. Part of me says anybody capable of scoring 50 in the NBA is good and the other says run a mile because he is a Marbury situation waiting to happen. Not a great character guy who got annoyed when the Knicks passed on him. Would be interesting to see what a PG like him could do with D’Antoni’s system and the freedom Melo and Amare create. Would be a great back up to Billups too, could really push the pace.

    If this happens the Knicks will win no more than 40 games next season. Guaranteed.

  102. d-mar

    taggart4800:
    Brandon Jennings is being shopped apparently. Rumors that they are looking for a starter and a pick and people putting Fields and #17 out there as a possible knicks offer. I would stress this is a twitter story, however it is from more than just a fan @Proballdraft. Source recommended by Hahn.
    Interesting decision with huge risk/reward factor. Part of me says anybody capable of scoring 50 in the NBA is good and the other says run a mile because he is a Marbury situation waiting to happen. Not a great character guy who got annoyed when the Knicks passed on him. Would be interesting to see what a PG like him could do with D’Antoni’s system and the freedom Melo and Amare create. Would be a great back up to Billups too, could really push the pace.

    No way in hell Donnie would do that deal (Isiaih maybe)

  103. GHenman

    Z-man: With She-Will, there is no upside, he is what he is. With Faried, he is a high-energy rebounding machine with length, athleticism and work ethic. I don’t agree that he only has one skill, he can rebound, defend, and block shots. He is basically DeJuan Blair without the injury risk, attitude and weight concern. I would take the risk because he addresses the most glaring need that we have, not perfectly, but immediately. I also agree with others that standing reach and wingspan trump height, so the 6’6? doesn’t bug me much.Why not? Jeffries got big minutes. There are lots of times when he can spell Melo or Amar’e, and he can play PF when Amar’e plays C and Melo is at SF.

    Faried is not going to beat out Shawne Williams for minutes on this team because he has no outside shot. If players like Shelden Williams, Balkman and Derrick Brown can’t get any run on this team, neither will Faried. If there’s a big man who can bang inside, play center and shoot from outside we should draft him other than that it would be a waste of time. Remember Jordan Hill?

  104. slovene knick

    @119 is that a possibility?
    Milos Teodosic is a top guard in Europe. Rubio is not in his league.
    He has got that Sam Perkins sleepy disinterested “jamaicaman” looks.
    On the court he moves like a cat and slashes/shoots/passes with great ease.
    I would only be concerned with his focus…he seems to enjoy only clutch/game breaking situations. Tends to lose cool when provoked.
    But if he was a backup i Bet his PT would heavily eat into Toney’s minutes.
    He would be a steal.

  105. Brian Cronin

    The funny thing about Jennings is just the fact that he is available should be a red flag that it is not a good idea. Who makes their “star” young point guard available after two seasons in the league? A team that thinks he is overrated, that’s who…

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