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		<title>By: Z-man</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2011-game-thread-knicks-vs-thunder/#comment-307720</link>
		<dc:creator>Z-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 03:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I saw much of Havlicek.  One of the best players ever, period.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw much of Havlicek.  One of the best players ever, period.</p>
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		<title>By: tastycakes</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2011-game-thread-knicks-vs-thunder/#comment-307719</link>
		<dc:creator>tastycakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 03:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-307700&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-307700&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Z&#045;man&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/fields_of_dreams_TshRmiWBy37DVcmxLVj3LP&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/fields_of_dreams_TshRmiWBy37DVcmxLVj3LP&lt;/a&gt;Walsh compares Fields to John Havlicek.Crazy.&#160;&#160;

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Funny, my Dad made the same comparison.  (He also once famously suggested that Hubert Davis was going to be a hall-of-famer, so ...)

Either Walsh is talking him up to inflate his value OR he wants to keep him.  Personally, if you have young Havlicek, you keep him.

I mean, Gallo is also the best shooter Mike D has ever seen, so I guess we can safely say that the Knickerblogger crowd is not the only bunch of homers around.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-307700" rel="nofollow">Z&#045;man</a></strong>: <a href="http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/fields_of_dreams_TshRmiWBy37DVcmxLVj3LP" rel="nofollow">http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/fields_of_dreams_TshRmiWBy37DVcmxLVj3LP</a>Walsh compares Fields to John Havlicek.Crazy.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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<p>Funny, my Dad made the same comparison.  (He also once famously suggested that Hubert Davis was going to be a hall-of-famer, so &#8230;)</p>
<p>Either Walsh is talking him up to inflate his value OR he wants to keep him.  Personally, if you have young Havlicek, you keep him.</p>
<p>I mean, Gallo is also the best shooter Mike D has ever seen, so I guess we can safely say that the Knickerblogger crowd is not the only bunch of homers around.</p>
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		<title>By: latke</title>
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		<dc:creator>latke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 01:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-307696&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-307696&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brian&#032;Cronin&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
The Knicks can trade Curry/AR for players signed through next season (and this is something they can easily do – it’s no shot in the dark, Curry/AR has plenty of value) to put them over the cap so that they can extend Chandler &lt;b&gt;and&lt;/b&gt; use the MLE on whoever.I think that’s the best move the Knicks can make. &#160;&#160;


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I think this is the best move if we can&#039;t get &#039;Melo for peanuts. You shop the AR/Curry package for a package that gets you back players that expire next season, you get the MLE and resign Chandler. That kills our cap space for 2012, but it gets us expirings. You hope that a star who has a better chance of putting us over the top becomes available, like D Williams, Paul, or Howard, and then you offer those expirings along with a package of 2 of our starters for that guy.

The problem is that if we can&#039;t get camby, our options for curry-sized contracts that expire in 2012 are pretty limited. You have Chris Kaman, who might be available from the Clips, but he seems too slow to play for D&#039;Antoni.  Then you have Gerald Wallace, who has a player option for the 12/13 season (which could screw us but could also help us, as, similar to the &#039;melo situation, we could trade him after the season but before free agency). Wallace is a good player, but he is almost the same player as Wilson Chandler. Finally, you have Chauncey Billups, who has a team option this summer for $14 million. Billups might actually be the best option. He&#039;d be grossly overpaid, but at least he could make a nice 6th man, backing up and playing next to felton for 25-30 MPG. I don&#039;t know if he&#039;d accept that role though.

After that, you have guys like Carlos Delfino ($3.5), Jermaine O&#039;Neal ($6.5), James Posey ($6.9), Jamison ($15.0), Bibby ($6.2). All of them might not even get up off the bench for the knicks.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-307696" rel="nofollow">Brian&#032;Cronin</a></strong>:<br />
The Knicks can trade Curry/AR for players signed through next season (and this is something they can easily do – it’s no shot in the dark, Curry/AR has plenty of value) to put them over the cap so that they can extend Chandler <b>and</b> use the MLE on whoever.I think that’s the best move the Knicks can make. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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<p>I think this is the best move if we can&#8217;t get &#8216;Melo for peanuts. You shop the AR/Curry package for a package that gets you back players that expire next season, you get the MLE and resign Chandler. That kills our cap space for 2012, but it gets us expirings. You hope that a star who has a better chance of putting us over the top becomes available, like D Williams, Paul, or Howard, and then you offer those expirings along with a package of 2 of our starters for that guy.</p>
<p>The problem is that if we can&#8217;t get camby, our options for curry-sized contracts that expire in 2012 are pretty limited. You have Chris Kaman, who might be available from the Clips, but he seems too slow to play for D&#8217;Antoni.  Then you have Gerald Wallace, who has a player option for the 12/13 season (which could screw us but could also help us, as, similar to the &#8216;melo situation, we could trade him after the season but before free agency). Wallace is a good player, but he is almost the same player as Wilson Chandler. Finally, you have Chauncey Billups, who has a team option this summer for $14 million. Billups might actually be the best option. He&#8217;d be grossly overpaid, but at least he could make a nice 6th man, backing up and playing next to felton for 25-30 MPG. I don&#8217;t know if he&#8217;d accept that role though.</p>
<p>After that, you have guys like Carlos Delfino ($3.5), Jermaine O&#8217;Neal ($6.5), James Posey ($6.9), Jamison ($15.0), Bibby ($6.2). All of them might not even get up off the bench for the knicks.</p>
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		<title>By: JK47</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2011-game-thread-knicks-vs-thunder/#comment-307713</link>
		<dc:creator>JK47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-307710&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-307710&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NYK&#032;Ewing&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
That’s why I said their starting 5 vs ours not including the bench, overall I’d say we’re a better team. But if you asked me who I’d rather have any season before this, I would say Harris instantly. He’s an all-star and a great player who is having a down year (yet to see if that’s a fluke or a trend yet). Lopez is another all-star and he’s only going to get better. It’s hard to find a 7 footer with his skill-set. Add Melo, who is a superstar and a potential future hall-of-famer. And yea, Morrow and Outlaw are roleplayers. But saying Fields/Gallo/Chandler are anything significantly more than roleplayers at this point in their careers is silly (note that I’m not talking about their potential).
I think you’re underestimating how good of a ‘big three’ DH/Lopez/Melo would be.&#160;&#160;


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Brook Lopez stinks.  He rebounds like Eddy Curry and shoots with the efficiency of Knicks-era Jamal Crawford.  His scoring efficiency and rebounding rate have gotten worse every year he&#039;s been in the league.  He is about as overrated as they come.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-307710" rel="nofollow">NYK&#032;Ewing</a></strong>:<br />
That’s why I said their starting 5 vs ours not including the bench, overall I’d say we’re a better team. But if you asked me who I’d rather have any season before this, I would say Harris instantly. He’s an all-star and a great player who is having a down year (yet to see if that’s a fluke or a trend yet). Lopez is another all-star and he’s only going to get better. It’s hard to find a 7 footer with his skill-set. Add Melo, who is a superstar and a potential future hall-of-famer. And yea, Morrow and Outlaw are roleplayers. But saying Fields/Gallo/Chandler are anything significantly more than roleplayers at this point in their careers is silly (note that I’m not talking about their potential).<br />
I think you’re underestimating how good of a ‘big three’ DH/Lopez/Melo would be.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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<p>Brook Lopez stinks.  He rebounds like Eddy Curry and shoots with the efficiency of Knicks-era Jamal Crawford.  His scoring efficiency and rebounding rate have gotten worse every year he&#8217;s been in the league.  He is about as overrated as they come.</p>
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		<title>By: NYK Ewing</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2011-game-thread-knicks-vs-thunder/#comment-307712</link>
		<dc:creator>NYK Ewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they don&#039;t retain DH in the process, then I agree they&#039;re not too much a threat, but I don&#039;t think any team with Melo is a pushover.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they don&#8217;t retain DH in the process, then I agree they&#8217;re not too much a threat, but I don&#8217;t think any team with Melo is a pushover.</p>
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		<title>By: GHenman</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2011-game-thread-knicks-vs-thunder/#comment-307711</link>
		<dc:creator>GHenman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Melo said last week that he wants to sign the extension rather than wait for free agency. I think if there was a reasonable deal to be made with Denver, it would have been done by now.  I doubt if AR has any trade value right now and I doubt if Donnie wants to give up any of our core guys.  This makes it unlikely we can acquire Melo now or as a free agent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melo said last week that he wants to sign the extension rather than wait for free agency. I think if there was a reasonable deal to be made with Denver, it would have been done by now.  I doubt if AR has any trade value right now and I doubt if Donnie wants to give up any of our core guys.  This makes it unlikely we can acquire Melo now or as a free agent.</p>
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		<title>By: NYK Ewing</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2011-game-thread-knicks-vs-thunder/#comment-307710</link>
		<dc:creator>NYK Ewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;comment-307704&quot;&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-307704&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;d&#045;mar&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: 
Wow, I really have to disagree with that, NYK. I would take our starting 5 (plus our bench) in a heartbeat. Would you take Harris over Felton? And who are the other 2 starters for the Nets? Morrow and Outlaw? I just don’t see it.&#160;&#160;

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That&#039;s why I said their starting 5 vs ours not including the bench, overall I&#039;d say we&#039;re a better team. But if you asked me who I&#039;d rather have any season before this, I would say Harris instantly. He&#039;s an all-star and a great player who is having a down year (yet to see if that&#039;s a fluke or a trend yet). Lopez is another all-star and he&#039;s only going to get better. It&#039;s hard to find a 7 footer with his skill-set. Add Melo, who is a superstar and a potential future hall-of-famer. And yea, Morrow and Outlaw are roleplayers. But saying Fields/Gallo/Chandler are anything significantly more than roleplayers at this point in their careers is silly (note that I&#039;m not talking about their potential). 

I think you&#039;re underestimating how good of a &#039;big three&#039; DH/Lopez/Melo would be.]]></description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-307704" rel="nofollow">d&#045;mar</a></strong>:<br />
Wow, I really have to disagree with that, NYK. I would take our starting 5 (plus our bench) in a heartbeat. Would you take Harris over Felton? And who are the other 2 starters for the Nets? Morrow and Outlaw? I just don’t see it.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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<p>That&#8217;s why I said their starting 5 vs ours not including the bench, overall I&#8217;d say we&#8217;re a better team. But if you asked me who I&#8217;d rather have any season before this, I would say Harris instantly. He&#8217;s an all-star and a great player who is having a down year (yet to see if that&#8217;s a fluke or a trend yet). Lopez is another all-star and he&#8217;s only going to get better. It&#8217;s hard to find a 7 footer with his skill-set. Add Melo, who is a superstar and a potential future hall-of-famer. And yea, Morrow and Outlaw are roleplayers. But saying Fields/Gallo/Chandler are anything significantly more than roleplayers at this point in their careers is silly (note that I&#8217;m not talking about their potential). </p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re underestimating how good of a &#8216;big three&#8217; DH/Lopez/Melo would be.</p>
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		<title>By: BigBlueAL</title>
		<link>http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2011-game-thread-knicks-vs-thunder/#comment-307709</link>
		<dc:creator>BigBlueAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, if Melo goes to the Nets Im not worried about them at all.  From everything I have read recently Harris will be traded in all the scenarios leaving the Nets with Melo, Lopez and crap basically.  I mean Ive read guys like Al Harrington going to the Nets too along with old PG&#039;s like Billups or Miller as mentioned above.

Plus they will have no draft picks basically in the next couple of seasons and not much cap room once they re-sign Lopez.  Also as has mentioned Lopez has actually regressed alot and does absolutely nothing outside of scoring which he isnt even doing efficiently.  He makes Amar&#039;e look like Rodman on the boards.  Actually he has gotten worse every season in terms of rebounding and shot blocking.

The Nets are the least of the Knicks worries to say the least even if they get Melo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, if Melo goes to the Nets Im not worried about them at all.  From everything I have read recently Harris will be traded in all the scenarios leaving the Nets with Melo, Lopez and crap basically.  I mean Ive read guys like Al Harrington going to the Nets too along with old PG&#8217;s like Billups or Miller as mentioned above.</p>
<p>Plus they will have no draft picks basically in the next couple of seasons and not much cap room once they re-sign Lopez.  Also as has mentioned Lopez has actually regressed alot and does absolutely nothing outside of scoring which he isnt even doing efficiently.  He makes Amar&#8217;e look like Rodman on the boards.  Actually he has gotten worse every season in terms of rebounding and shot blocking.</p>
<p>The Nets are the least of the Knicks worries to say the least even if they get Melo.</p>
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		<title>By: JK47</title>
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		<dc:creator>JK47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This made me chuckle:

&quot;Nets Hope To Sell Carmelo On Future By Landing Miller&quot;

That sounds like a genius plan, trading the 27-year old point guard who is the best player on your team (Devin Harris) for a 34-year old point guard who has zero career all-star appearances.

So you&#039;d be left with Andre Miller, Anthony Morrow, Carmelo Anthony, Kris Humphries and Brook Lopez, who is playing like absolute dog crap this season.  Good luck with that, Nets-- uh, I mean Brooklyn New Yorkers or whatever cheeseball name you decide to go with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This made me chuckle:</p>
<p>&#8220;Nets Hope To Sell Carmelo On Future By Landing Miller&#8221;</p>
<p>That sounds like a genius plan, trading the 27-year old point guard who is the best player on your team (Devin Harris) for a 34-year old point guard who has zero career all-star appearances.</p>
<p>So you&#8217;d be left with Andre Miller, Anthony Morrow, Carmelo Anthony, Kris Humphries and Brook Lopez, who is playing like absolute dog crap this season.  Good luck with that, Nets&#8211; uh, I mean Brooklyn New Yorkers or whatever cheeseball name you decide to go with.</p>
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		<title>By: villainx</title>
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		<dc:creator>villainx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 20:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Stoudemire has demonstrated he is a different player than we thought he&#039;d be. That he could be such a dominant half court player is a bit of a surprise.

The thing that I like to add about Carmelo Anthony is that he actually wants to be with the Knicks. That says something, and is pretty refreshing. Though ultimately if the Knicks should want him is a different matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Stoudemire has demonstrated he is a different player than we thought he&#8217;d be. That he could be such a dominant half court player is a bit of a surprise.</p>
<p>The thing that I like to add about Carmelo Anthony is that he actually wants to be with the Knicks. That says something, and is pretty refreshing. Though ultimately if the Knicks should want him is a different matter.</p>
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