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Saturday, July 26, 2014

231 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Suns

  1. jon abbey

    today is a matinee, Gallo is indeed playing (with a knee brace), and this is a must-win if we want to stick comfortably over .500 with 3 tough road games after this.

    go NY, go NY, go!

  2. Brian Cronin

    Wow, who would have thought that starting a center and a power forward at the center and power forward position would be the way to go for the Suns?

    Oh…everybody but Alvin Gentry? Gotcha.

  3. cgreene

    Felton looking off again and weirdly lacking intensity. D is wretched. Pho playing harder. Looks like the Sacto game. Somehow the Knicks got a little too happy with themselves.

  4. Jimmy C

    Can’t blame this one on the road trip. Just god-awful defense — I mean really, really bad.

    Whereas most teams start to improve defensively as the season goes on, we seem to find more creative ways to avoid it.

  5. jaylamerique

    cgreene: Felton looking off again and weirdly lacking intensity.D is wretched.Pho playing harder.Looks like the Sacto game.Somehow the Knicks got a little too happy with themselves.  

    Felton has been horrible since his hot start. i think he’s only shot 50 % in one out of the last ten games. He is what he is

  6. cgreene

    Let’s be clear about one thing right now. Wilson Chandler is no Carmelo Anthony. Could care less what advanced stats have to say about it. Chandler’s game has regressed significantly since the SA game and he is not effective without Amare on the floor. 2x on one possession Wilson couldn’t drive past Gortat and settled for pull up jumpers. He does this a lot for some reason.

  7. Jimmy C

    cgreene: Let’s be clear about one thing right now.Wilson Chandler is no Carmelo Anthony.Could care less what advanced stats have to say about it.Chandler’s game has regressed significantly since the SA game and he is not effective without Amare on the floor.2x on one possession Wilson couldn’t drive past Gortat and settled for pull up jumpers.He does this a lot for some reason.  

    The trade talk is getting to him I think. He’s pressing. But then again, they all seem to be.

  8. Robert Silverman

    Interesting tidbit from the Suns TV crew: MSG is the best shooting arena in the NBA b/c of good lighting, soft rims. Never heard that before

  9. Jimmy C

    Robert Silverman: Interesting tidbit from the Suns TV crew: MSG is the best shooting arena in the NBA b/c of good lighting, soft rims. Never heard that before  

    Interesting indeed. I’d always chalked it up to opposing teams just getting up for playing in The World’s Most Famous Arena.

  10. jaylamerique

    Robert Silverman: Interesting tidbit from the Suns TV crew: MSG is the best shooting arena in the NBA b/c of good lighting, soft rims. Never heard that before  

    so that’s why we’ve been bad on defense

  11. Brian Cronin

    There was this one play earlier in the game where Felton ended up drawing a silly foul by a Suns player, but before that, he looked off a wide open Gallo behind the arc.

    Felton really does not like giving Gallo the ball – it’s so odd.

  12. cgreene

    Can someone tell me why Wilson cannot get around Gortat and instead takes step back jumpers? Someone please?

  13. Brian Cronin

    By the way, I don’t believe Gentry chose to stick around. I think Phoenix wouldn’t let him leave.

  14. Brian Cronin

    12 for Chandler matches Carmelo’s total vs. Spurs yesterday..

    Yeah, in 17 shots.

    That did seem like a weird time to make a pro-Carmelo dig, right after that terrible performance by Melo yesterday.

  15. Brian Cronin

    Fields should be more aggressive when they give him opportunities to shoot.

    Yeah, it was strange to see him pass up an open look at a three a few minutes ago.

  16. jaylamerique

    cgreene: Can someone tell me why Wilson cannot get around Gortat and instead takes step back jumpers?Someone please?  

    he doesnt have the handle

  17. Brian Cronin

    Do you think maybe Gallo’s knee is still giving him problems? He hasn’t returned since he went out.

  18. Robert Silverman

    iserp: Fields should be more aggressive when they give him opportunities to shoot.  

    He can’t. Prof. Dave Berri planted a microchip in Landry Fields’ head that keeps him from shooting anything but uncontested 3′s, backdoor layups or rebound putbacks. Keeps his WP/48 nice n’ robust.

  19. Brian Cronin

    what do you mean ? elaborate

    Sorry, the announcers said that Gentry chose to stick around when D’Antoni left, but I believe he was still under contract and they wouldn’t let him go (wanting someone to stay behind for continuity purposes, especially since Gentry was never really one of “D’Antoni’s guys.”).

  20. Brian Cronin

    They never seem to get those rolls.

    I am loving how active Gallo is being right now – he must have so much energy bottled up.

  21. Brian Cronin

    Gallo looking good overall, although that last 3pt attempt looked pretty ugly.

    Sooo ugly. It looked like a shot you take with 1 second left on the shot clock.

  22. Brian Cronin

    Knicks missing a ton of open 3?s and layups.

    A lot of the shots seem to be bad luck, though, like Amar’e's two misses.

  23. Jimmy C

    Brian Cronin: Felton is so unused to passing to Gallo, he threw it out of bounds.  

    This has been mentioned a few times in the past and a couple times today, but both TD and Ray seem to harbor a serious disdain for passing to Gallo. What is this?

  24. Doug

    Had no idea today was a matinee.

    Judging from the comments, I thought the Knicks were getting blown out.

  25. GHenman

    Doug: Had no idea today was a matinee. Judging from the comments, I thought the Knicks were getting blown out.  (Quote)

    Me too. Reading this blog the last week would make you think the Knicks are 10 games under .500.

  26. jon abbey

    jaylamerique: amar’e is a lazy defender.  

    I disagree, NY can’t afford to have him get in foul trouble, especially with Turiaf out, and considering some of the fouls called on him (the Dragic one today was absurd), I think he’s precisely aggressive enough. he’s in the top 5 in shotblocking in the league, last I checked.

    now, if you’d said he was a lazy rebounder, that I could maybe get behind. :)

  27. jaylamerique

    jon abbey:
    I disagree, NY can’t afford to have him get in foul trouble, especially with Turiaf out, and considering some of the fouls called on him (the Dragic one today was absurd), I think he’s precisely aggressive enough. he’s in the top 5 in shotblocking in the league, last I checked.now, if you’d said he was a lazy rebounder, that I could maybe get behind. :)  

    once he gets in foul trouble, he doesn’t even try to pretend to play defense.

  28. Brian Cronin

    This has been mentioned a few times in the past and a couple times today, but both TD and Ray seem to harbor a serious disdain for passing to Gallo. What is this?

    I make fun of it a lot, but I doubt there’s actually anything intentional about it. It just looks really weird during the game itself.

    At the very end of games, Felton tends to look to Gallo more (although you could then argue that perhaps D’Antoni specifically insists he pass to Gallo at those times).

  29. Brian Cronin

    once he gets in foul trouble, he doesn’t even try to pretend to play defense.

    Agreed, but that appears to be strategy on the Knicks’ part, not something that Amar’e is doing on his own.

  30. Jimmy C

    jon abbey:
    now, if you’d said he was a lazy rebounder, that I could maybe get behind. :)  

    I don’t know if it’s laziness so much as bad timing and positioning. He just doesn’t have that Zach Randolph / Kevin Love quality of knowing exactly where the ball will bounce before it hits the rim. Instead he relies more on sheer athleticism, which works occasionally. But more often than not I feel like his rebounds are a product of the ball finding him, and not vice versa.

  31. Brian Cronin

    Vince Carter’s old school dunk was really impressive, by the way. I forgot to mention it before.

  32. Brian Cronin

    Judging from the comments, I thought the Knicks were getting blown out.

    They were down 11 at one point.

  33. BigBlueAL

    Anyone else watching the Suns broadcast who got annoyed like I did when they mentioned that Channing Frye couldve won ROY but Larry Brown stopped playing him?? Hello Frye got hurt for the rest of the season sometime in March if Im not mistaken. Also apparently Grant Hill should be an All-Star this season, cause you know the Forward position in the West is pretty weak this season.

    Damnit I miss Clyde today!!

  34. Jimmy C

    BigBlueAL: Anyone else watching the Suns broadcast who got annoyed like I did when they mentioned that Channing Frye couldve won ROY but Larry Brown stopped playing him??Hello Frye got hurt for the rest of the season sometime in March if Im not mistaken.Also apparently Grant Hill should be an All-Star this season, cause you know the Forward position in the West is pretty weak this season.Damnit I miss Clyde today!!  

    That reminds me of a survey I’ve wanted to conduct: for those with League Pass, which is the worst broadcasting team you’ve heard all year? (Besides Boston — cartoonishly bad).

  35. jaylamerique

    Brian Cronin: Suns are shooting 8 for 13 from three!! That’s nuts. That can’t be sustainable, right?  

    if you watched the utah game then you know it probably is

  36. cgreene

    Brian Cronin: Suns are shooting 8 for 13 from three!! That’s nuts. That can’t be sustainable, right?  

    The shots are WIDE OPEN, Brian. NBA players will make wide open 3s at a high %.

  37. TheXman

    Knicks will definitely lose this game. This could be the turning point of the season, as in a semi-collapse. They will have to recover after all-star break.

  38. Caleb

    Hate to beat my dead horse but this would be a great game for AR… get some length on Carter, Hill or Frye.

  39. Brian Cronin

    Ok, Amare, you only have 2 fouls, it’s ok to contest shots.

    Yeah, I was okay with him being tentative in the first, but now? Gotta be more aggressive. Even with 3 fouls.

  40. Caleb

    With this game going to the wire and Amare playing the whole way… what are the odds he gets to 50?

  41. jaylamerique

    Caleb: Hate to beat my dead horse but this would be a great game for AR… get some length on Carter, Hill or Frye.  

    but then you’re playing 5 on 4 on the offensive side of the ball

  42. Robert Silverman

    Caleb and I are the charter members of the Anthony “Beaten Dead Horse” Randolph Fan Club. We got secret decoder rings!

  43. Doug

    Caleb: Hate to beat my dead horse but this would be a great game for AR… get some length on Carter, Hill or Frye.  

    I wonder how many things would have to fall in place for AR to get significant minutes at this point. Even if Amar’e, Turiaf, Extra E, and Mozgov all went down with the 24-hour stomach flu, D’Antoni would probably trot out Roger Mason at power forward.

  44. Thomas B.

    I’m at the wizards game lucky enough to score box seats for the family. how are the knicks looking?

  45. Brian Cronin

    There was a good SNL bit this week showing Will Smith’s decision-making in scenes during the Fresh Prince of Bel Air (like the script says “act shocked” to a dramatic revelation, so Smith decides to go with Scooby-Doo’s reaction, “Aroo?”).

    Felton today reminds me of Smith’s decision-making in that sketch.

  46. Robert Silverman

    PHX broadcast just ran a list of the PG’s the Nix have had under MD’A and labeled it “Points Guards.” tee hee

  47. Jimmy C

    Can anyone remember the last time we got an offensive rebound? All I can remember is Fields’ putback dunk in LA.

  48. Caleb

    @90 hardly – AR is pretty good open court player. Good handle. Just can’t shoot.

    @92 Mike D. would call on someone else to replace Felton or Douglas… but I don’t think he would actually use 6-man rotation… so to get AR on the floor will require injuries to at least 3 among Stoudemire, Chandler, Gallo, Williams, Walker, Fields and Turiaf.

    If that scenario DID play out I think he would be able to make a case for himself.

  49. TheXman

    The sky is falling, what are the chances that the knicks don’t make the playoffs. Forget a top 4 seed, can we just win one playoff game for the first time in a decade.

  50. Caleb

    @99 Wade. But Hill was a fantastic player in his prime.
    I remember sitting courtside during a Hawks-Pistons game, when he was dragging around on his ankle.. the injury that eventually led to the near-collapse of his career…

  51. Caleb

    @115 I think Amare has small hands… one reason for his lack of boards.. and lack of touch on tip-ins.
    Of course we got spoiled with his predecessor who was as good as anyone in the league.

  52. Brian Cronin

    Why do Knicks miss all their tip ins? Amare and Chandler never make them

    The “tip up” that Chandler tried there almost never works, but guys always keep trying it. It is a lot like the “fake to third, throw to first” play by relief pitchers that works once in a hundred attempts, but pitchers keep doing it.

  53. cgreene

    3 TERRIBLE sequences by Amare to start the quarter. Bad shot over Warrik, lets Warrik score over him and then can’t hit from 2 feet

  54. Brian Cronin

    Again, I don’t think any of it is intentional, but Felton passes to Gallo, Gallo hits the three. Next time up the court, Gallo is open behind the arc and Felton instead chooses to brick a long two.

  55. TheXman

    felton thinks he can shoot and gets pissed when the screen goes under him. well he can’t shoot frankly, he’ll never be a good shooter. he is great at ball penetration. i mean what can we do, put in toney douglas?

  56. cgreene

    I believe the next time we see the Knicks at MSG they will be riding a 5 game losing streak and they will be clinging to .500

  57. TheXman

    landry fields produces the most wins for this team, so makes sense to put the best player on the bench.

  58. Robert Silverman

    cgreene: I believe the next time we see the Knicks at MSG they will be riding a 5 game losing streak and they will be clinging to .500  

    cgreene, I think you might have PTSD from watching too many Nix games this decade

  59. Caleb

    Felton is about the most consistent PG in the league, year to year. For better or worse. This is a good system for him, so #s are slightly better.

  60. jaylamerique

    TheXman: landry fields produces the most wins for this team, so makes sense to put the best player on the bench.  

    our problem is defense. what exactly is landry fields going to do about that

  61. BigBlueAL

    Robert Silverman:
    cgreene, I think you might have PTSD from watching too many Nix games this decade  

    Sadly I agree with him, Knicks will be lucky to win 1 of the remaining 3 games this week considering they are at Hou, SA and OKC.

  62. TheXman

    they should think about playing some defense, i doubt that’s possible. anyone looking for a career game needs to look for the knicks on their schedule.

  63. Brian Cronin

    First option should be Gallo for three.

    Second option should be Gallo for three.

    Third option should be Gallo for three.

    What do they do? Amar’e for two then foul Grant Hill.

    Brilliant

  64. Brian Cronin

    Why?! Why?! Why?!? They only had one timeout left and they went for a two!!! Why, D’Antoni, why?!?

  65. BigBlueAL

    Someone should ask Amar’e after the game if he still thinks the Knicks can get homecourt advantage in the 1st round of the playoffs.

  66. Brian Cronin

    Felton: 3 for 13

    Gallo: 4 for 7

    Yeah, that makes sense.

    Toney Douglas got more shots than Gallo. Extra E got the same amount of shots as Gallo.

  67. Caleb

    Even if you give the Knicks say – 2 in 5 chance of winning in Houston, 1 in 6 chance of winning San Antone and 1 in 5 chance of winning in OKC… it’s still more likely than not that they win a game. (Statistics!)

    If had to guess I’d put their odds more like 50-50 against the Rockets.

    Looking ahead…

    on downside, 2nd half sked is a little tougher. Also the odds are that the injury report gets a little worse – very few injuries this first 40 games.

    on optimism front, no key guys playing over their heads.. a lot of young players, likely to improve. If I had to guess, I’d say the 2nd half looks a lot like the first half… say about 44-45 wins total.
    A big trade would change things, obviously.

  68. maurice lucas

    BigBlueAL: Someone should ask Amar’e after the game if he still thinks the Knicks can get homecourt advantage in the 1st round of the playoffs.  

    It’s far from a sure thing that the Knicks will make the playoff. The odds in my book is 70%. As for the Knicks finishing above .500 at the end of the season, it’s 50/50

  69. BigBlueAL

    This game has pissed me off so much even with the million NBA games left to watch today I dont want to see a basketball for the rest of the day.

    When does Spring Training start?????

  70. BigBlueAL

    maurice lucas:
    It’s far from a sure thing that the Knicks will make the playoff.The odds in my book is 70%.As for the Knicks finishing above .500 at the end of the season, it’s 50/50  

    It is almost impossible for the Knicks to drop below the 6th seed. The Knicks playoff chances are 99.99999999%. Im as pissed as anybody after this pathetic game but missing the playoffs is not something I am remotely worried about.

  71. Caleb

    I’m torn about the 2-pointers over the three – normally I like the play to get the quick, easy two. But against the Suns, you might be right… hard to come back via FTs when the handlers are Nash, Hill + Carter. Of course – dead horse alert! – you could bring in AR to pressure the ball, and the inbounds pass.

  72. Jimmy C

    Might not be panic time, but it sure as hell is gut check time. D’Antoni needs to come to grips with the fact that teams have figured us out. They know what to take away, and they know what to attack and how. We, on the other hand, just keep doing the same thing and hoping for different results. If I’m not mistaken, that’s the definition of insanity.

    Of all the horrific defensive performances this year, this one might have been the worst. There wasn’t a player on the Suns who didn’t have his way with us today. The total disinterest in playing defense is really getting hard to watch. If there was a way to Tivo just the offensive possessions, I might pay an extra $100 to buy it.

    Maybe it’s because I’m stuck at work and had to watch this shitshow sporadically on broadband, but I haven’t been this disgusted in a while. Even the teams of the last few years you could forgive for simply lacking talent. But we have talent in bunches now and still continue to to worship a completely ass backwards approach to defense that will never win a championship. At the very least you have to have a commitment to getting stops when you need them, and we can’t even muster that right now.

    Amare’ has been a good leader, but he hasn’t been a good leader on the court the last four games. His Ts, porous D and terrible shot selection are what I think is holding this team back right now, including Felton, who’s somehow convinced himself that, in order to win, the Knicks have to play 2 on 5.

    Again, gut check time.

  73. BigBlueAL

    TheXman: Jordan Hill will prob pour 20/15 on Amare come Wed.Said it here first.  

    Amar’e will match that with 40 pts of his own like he did today. He wasnt the one covering VC and Hill who each had 29 and 25 pts today.

  74. Brian Cronin

    Oh, agreed, Caleb. I was saying the three vs. the two specifically because of the Nash/Hill automatic makes on the other end that were undoubtedly coming.

    In other instances, the quick two with 50 seconds left makes a lot of sense.

  75. cgreene

    jaylamerique: How does Amar’e have 41. that is a really quiet 41  

    Like I said, Amare did NOT play well today.

    I have to say that there appears that some sort of over confidence had developed especially with Amare. The effort (although sometimes futile) on D is gone and rebounding too. Got thoroughly outplayed by Hakim Warrik in the 4th Q. Vince Fucking Carter was the best player on the court today. And, to boot, I have no idea what to say about Raymond. Went under and switched on every screen on D. Looked terrible going to the rim. Lazy passes. I know he doesn’t have top PG talent but what we loved was the effort, intensity and intelligence. Seems to literally have disappeared last 5 games.

    Robert, you’re right. It may be PTSD from being a Nix fan for 30 years or it just might be that this team is in the midst of a pretty serious slide. I mean it’s not like we went 4-0 out West. We went 2-2 and only one of those wins was a “good” win and I would like to think that we are a better team than Portland without Roy. Houston is playing well right now and SA and OKC are darn well looking for revenge. I’d frankly be happy with 1-2.

  76. Caleb

    @190 I’d say it’s not that hard to see Milwaukee passing the Knicks. They’ve played the toughest sked in the league so far, and their 2 best players have missed huge chunks – I’d bet on their cracking .500 by the end. But hard to see the Nix falling to 8th or even 9th. They’re a few games ahead, and they’re better than the other teams behind them.

  77. GHenman

    Knicks badly need another guard who can handle the ball. Felton and Douglas both have tired legs. Anyone could have seen this coming once D’Antoni shortened the rotation so much.

  78. Caleb

    @195 no boards, stupid plays and trouble with Warrick, true.

    Still – if not for the fantastic offensive game for 3 quarters this one wouldn’t have even been close. Those points count just as much as baskets in the 4th.

  79. Brian Cronin

    And I agree that the “Shawne Williams as the 4″ experiment should be done now, even with Turiaf out. Mozgov or AR should be in there.

  80. maurice lucas

    BigBlueAL:
    It is almost impossible for the Knicks to drop below the 6th seed.The Knicks playoff chances are 99.99999999%.Im as pissed as anybody after this pathetic game but missing the playoffs is not something I am remotely worried about.  

    See what the NYK record is when they come back from the 3 game trip out west. And see where the following teams are at: Bucks, Pacers, 76ers, Bobcats.

  81. BigBlueAL

    Caleb: @190 I’d say it’s not that hard to see Milwaukee passing the Knicks. They’ve played the toughest sked in the league so far, and their 2 best players have missed huge chunks – I’d bet on their cracking .500 by the end. But hard to see the Nix falling to 8th or even 9th. They’re a few games ahead, and they’re better than the other teams behind them.  

    The Bucks are 14-23. They are not catching the Knicks.

  82. cgreene

    Caleb: @195 no boards, stupid plays and trouble with Warrick, true.
    Still – if not for the fantastic offensive game for 3 quarters this one wouldn’t have even been close. Those points count just as much as baskets in the 4th.  

    Agree with your point about the points. But defense is half the game and his was downright awful. I didn’t say he stinks or was bad on offense, I said he didn’t play well today even though he had 41 points.

  83. Caleb

    See what the NYK record is when they come back from the 3 game trip out west.And see where the following teams are at: Bucks, Pacers, 76ers, Bobcats.  

    Knicks are 4 1/2 games ahead of the Pacers, 5 1/2 ahead of the Sixers, 6 ahead of the Bobcats, 6 1/2 ahead of the Bucks and 8 up on the Pistons. To miss the playoffs, 3 of those teams would have to catch them. The other teams get tough road trips, too…

    Does anyone think the Knicks are actually worse than the Pacers, or Bobcats?

  84. BigBlueAL

    maurice lucas:
    See what the NYK record is when they come back from the 3 game trip out west.And see where the following teams are at: Bucks, Pacers, 76ers, Bobcats.  

    Those teams all suck. Knicks can struggle but those teams have to win games too and they wont because as I mentioned they all suck.

    The Knicks are 12-9 vs the East, every team below them is at least 3 games UNDER .500 vs the East.

  85. GHenman

    Caleb: I’m torn about the 2-pointers over the three – normally I like the play to get the quick, easy two. But against the Suns, you might be right… hard to come back via FTs when the handlers are Nash, Hill + Carter. Of course – dead horse alert! – you could bring in AR to pressure the ball, and the inbounds pass.  (Quote)

    AR are would be perfect person to use in a press, but there’s no way he’d be effective after not getting any meaningful minutes in 2 months. D’Antoni does not allocate minutes well.

  86. Caleb

    BigBlueAL:
    The Bucks are 14-23.They are not catching the Knicks.  

    It’s a big head start but I will be shocked if the Bucks don’t at least make it to #7… they’ve already played the tough teams and their sked from here out is a marshmallow. Bogut finally has his legs under him and at some point soon they’ll have Jennings back… they’re actually a good team, unlike the rest of our playoff competition.

  87. ess-dog

    GHenman: Knicks badly need another guard who can handle the ball.Felton and Douglas both have tired legs.Anyone could have seen this coming once D’Antoni shortened the rotation so much.  

    I completely agree. It’s pretty obvious, even on the radio. Although I do think Felton was due to come back down to earth a bit. And TD, who knows if he’s ever truly healthy?
    I just don’t know why Gallo and Fields can’t take over more of the offense. Especially Gallo who should be able to do work on Hill. I really do think Felton doesn’t look for him. Why? No idea. Maybe the goal is 90% of the time, get the ball to Amare first and that’s why. But we need other weapons.
    Ultimately, not sure the D was THAT bad (it certainly wasn’t great.) Vince just shot well from 3 but was only 11 for 20. Hill scored a lot, but it was inefficiently.
    We also didn’t get any edge at the line (again, Gallo should’ve done some work there.) Really Ray and Toney’s poor shooting killed us.

  88. BigBlueAL

    Jesus Christ, I am pissed as shit the Knicks lost because they have made it apparent they arent going to come close to moving up a spot or 2 in the standings but c’mon to now thinking they might miss the playoffs. Relax.

  89. TheXman

    Caleb:
    Knicks are 4 1/2 games ahead of the Pacers, 5 1/2 ahead of the Sixers, 6 ahead of the Bobcats, 6 1/2 ahead of the Bucks and 8 up on the Pistons. To miss the playoffs, 3 of those teams would have to catch them. The other teams get tough road trips, too…Does anyone think the Knicks are actually worse than the Pacers, or Bobcats?  

    I would think not, but this team is schizophrenic. We can beat the Spurs, then lose to the Kings and Suns back to back at home. I don’t have a goddamn clue any more.

  90. ess-dog

    But yeah (and this is the refrain that shall be repeated ad nauseum) we need a center who can defend. Lopez and Frye just can’t get easy buckets.

  91. BigBlueAL

    Caleb:
    It’s a big head start but I will be shocked if the Bucks don’t at least make it to #7… they’ve already played the tough teams and their sked from here out is a marshmallow. Bogut finally has his legs under him and at some point soon they’ll have Jennings back… they’re actually a good team, unlike the rest of our playoff competition.  

    I dont see it. Typical Scott Skiles team. They badly overachieved last season. They are the worst offensive team in the NBA and getting Jennings back wont help that fact too much. I think they should be able to grab the 8th seed, maybe 7th if the Pacers stay a few games below .500, but they arent good enough to get back to .500 after being 9 and possibly after today 10 games under .500.

  92. jon abbey

    Felton and Williams both look like they’ve hit walls, at least temporarily. Gallo and Fields both need to be more aggressive offensively, Fields also was thoroughly abused by Vinsanity today, not that there’s too much anyone can do when he’s shooting the 3 like that.

  93. maurice lucas

    Caleb:
    Knicks are 4 1/2 games ahead of the Pacers, 5 1/2 ahead of the Sixers, 6 ahead of the Bobcats, 6 1/2 ahead of the Bucks and 8 up on the Pistons. To miss the playoffs, 3 of those teams would have to catch them. The other teams get tough road trips, too…Does anyone think the Knicks are actually worse than the Pacers, or Bobcats?  

    NYK are playing .550 ball for the season so far, with minimum injury absence to key players.

    If NYK loses the next 3 and then play 500 ball the rest of the way, their record will be 41.5-40.5 for the season.

    If any of the 4 teams at this point on play .550 ball the rest of the season, they will end the season in the 39-41 win range.

    It can be close

  94. Caleb

    BigBlueAL:

    I don’t know that they overachieved so much… they’ve got vets, and a star center. They’ll never be a good offensive team but Bogut won’t end the season with a 48 TS%, and neither will Salmons. Jennings is no great shakes but getting him back will be huge, beacuse his backup is Keyon Dooling… in the same way Felton isn’t CP3 but losing him would sink us because our backup is Andy Rautins. Mainly I’d just look at their sked – they haven’t played as badly as their record.

    Of course I’m just talking about the Bucks to keep my mind off the Knicks/Suns tilt..

  95. maurice lucas

    Caleb:
    It’s a big head start but I will be shocked if the Bucks don’t at least make it to #7… they’ve already played the tough teams and their sked from here out is a marshmallow. Bogut finally has his legs under him and at some point soon they’ll have Jennings back… they’re actually a good team, unlike the rest of our playoff competition.  

    I like the toughness introduced by the Oakman and Silas to the Bobcats and the effect on Captain Jack and Kwane Brown. I can see Oak yelling at Kwane every day at practice to go get the damn rebound. They cannot be overlooked

  96. Caleb

    maurice lucas:
    NYK are playing .550 ball for the season so far, with minimum injury absence to key players.If NYK loses the next 3 and then play 500 ball the rest of the way, their record will be 41.5-40.5 for the season.If any of the 4 teams at this point on play .550 ball the rest of the season, they will end the season in the 39-41 win range.It can be close  

    But for the Knicks to miss the playoffs, THREE of those teams would have to play .550 ball the rest of the season. There’s a good chance none of them (except the Bucks) will even hit .500 the rest of the way…

  97. TheXman

    I’d rather just have them hold on for the 6th seed. I don’t think they should try to overshoot and try for homecourt. They played some ok D against the bulls, spurs, and the blazers. I mean christ. The Suns didn’t even play insane, they just made their open and in the paint shots. It was almost too easy for the Suns.

  98. BigBlueAL

    I do agree with you that the Bucks are the most dangerous team in that group, its just that they have really dug themselves one helluva hole with their current record.

    Knicks already have clinched the head-to-head tie-breaker vs the Bobcats, not at all worried about them.

  99. maurice lucas

    Caleb:
    But for the Knicks to miss the playoffs, THREE of those teams would have to play .550 ball the rest of the season. There’s a good chance none of them (except the Bucks) will even hit .500 the rest of the way…  

    Looking at the Knick schedule, after their 3 game trip out west, it is not a given that they can play 500 ball the rest of the way, considering the # of back-to-back sets

  100. d-mar

    Guys, the amount of panicking on this site right now is off the charts. That was absolutely an ugly and inexcusable loss, and if I had to see one more shooter standing behind the 3 point line with time to light up a cigarette and check the wind direction, I was gonna scream.

    BUT…

    1) Dumping on Felton is just not fair. The guy has been a beast all season until a few recent stinkers, and bringing up Duhon is truly insulting.
    2) Unless Stoudemire or Felton has a major injury, we will make the playoffs, and it would be an epic collapse not to keep the #6 seed
    3) Every player in the NBA will tell you that Jan. is the toughest month to get through. You start to wear down, and it just seems like a slog to get to the All Star break. Last year, Boston went through an ugly stretch around this time of year and we know where they ended up. Now of course Sacto and the Suns are going through the same thing, so it’s not an excuse, but there is a tendency for teams to underperform this time of year.
    4) The Knicks will not go 0-3 on this trip. You can put this one in quotes and post it if they do, but they will rebound from this 3 game slump.

    Believe me, right now I’m thankful that the Jets will hog the sports spotlight for another week, as there’s nothing good to say about this team right now, but let’s calm down, take a breath and TRADE THE WHOLE GODDAMN TEAM FOR CARMELO (-:

  101. Veal Scalabrine

    Ok, I’m as frustrated as anyone about these two god-awful losses at home, but I think we are very much overreacting to this defeat–in the same we probably overreact to Knick victories. This is understandable given the emotions in play immediately after a game.

    But let’s be clear–the Knicks will make the playoffs, Amar’e is not a “disappointment”, and Felton is not a terrible PG, let alone the worst starting PG in the league. I do, however, have particular concerns w/ Felton’s recent decision-making and shot-selection, and wonder how much of this may be due to excessive wear-and-tear (plus his current ankle injury). This also goes for TD–he has played the entire season with one, and now two, injured shoulders. What’s problematic, then, is their failure to adjust their games to reflect their sub-optimal health, as well as our depth issues at the 1. Felton’s shot is off because he doesn’t seem to have his legs, like earlier in the season. What makes his current shot selection poor is that he’s still jacking-up 3′s and long 2′s off the PnR and not noticing WC, Fields, and Gallo free on the kick-out for open 3′s. Going forward, it’s important to see how D’antoni and Felton (and, yes, Donnie) adjust to what I think is largely a health issue. I just don’t think the invective of earlier posts is fair.

    My other major concern, as many have noted, is Amare’s D and rebounding–especially when he’s in foul-trouble. Today, he truly was a defensive liability, and he seems scared to foul-out. This may point to our need for another big-time scorer–yes, Melo–so that Amare maintains his focus and aggression on both ends of the floor. And, frankly, he needs a lesson on boxing-out. Brian was correct when he said that most of Amare’s rebounds are due to athleticism; they’re certainly not due to proper fundamentals.

    What happened today is not Armageddon; however, it certainly spotlights the need for, and the issue of, adjustments–both in game-planning…

  102. daJudge

    CapB—I don’t think anyone is jumping ship and the ship clearly ain’t be sink’in. However, there are legitimate issues with this nice young team who plays without a Center. Turiaf is hurt too often and is six nine or, maybe six ten, if I’m five six. I think Amare has been great, yes great, but he is not a defensive anchor. He is a unique and awesome player, period. The Knicks do not have a defensive anchor, nor do they have a rebounding anchor insofar as their 2 is their best rebounder. They do not have a player that is covering for Amare and burning his fouls, particularly the very needed hard fouls. Many have commented prior on “fool’s gold”, i.e., outside shooting. It is not fool’s gold, but this is not the ABA and you all know shooting is ephemeral. We are a good exciting team, but we are missing several crucial pieces. I think DW knows this and will add the players he needs. He will be wary of infatuations.

  103. maurice lucas

    CapB: its sad and pathetic how quickly you guys jump ship around here.Man.  

    I am a NYK fan for 25 years. I am not jumping ship as a fan. I want them to win. Bit if I am betting the NYK in Vegas, this is the time to cut bait and run. The odds are looming that they may not make the playoff. I will bet on that for a BIG return

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