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Saturday, November 1, 2014

93 comments on “2011 Game Thread: Knicks vs. Raptors

  1. Robert Silverman

    CRJoe: So tonight we root for Boston right???  

    Hard to say. Do we want to catch Philly for the 6 seed? I honestly go back and forth about whether Boston or Miami is a better matchup (I’m leaning Heat).

  2. jaylamerique

    Robert Silverman:
    Hard to say. Do we want to catch Philly for the 6 seed? I honestly go back and forth about whether Boston or Miami is a better matchup (I’m leaning Heat).  

    every stat says the heat are better than then the celtics. Better offense, better scoring margin, only slightly worse offense.

  3. Robert Silverman

    jaylamerique:
    every stat says the heat are better than then the celtics. Better offense, better scoring margin, only slightly worse offense.  

    Not playoff experience. Plus, the pressure on the Heat is ginormous

  4. Z

    Robert Silverman:
    Hard to say. Do we want to catch Philly for the 6 seed? I honestly go back and forth about whether Boston or Miami is a better matchup (I’m leaning Heat).  

    What is better for the long term future of the team? To be the 6th seed proving our improved status, or the 7th seed and getting a better draft pick? Perceived value vs. Real value!

  5. jaylamerique

    Robert Silverman:
    Not playoff experience. Plus, the pressure on the Heat is ginormous  

    all of their players have been to the playoffs. i just dont trust our ability to guard D-wade. Fields is a horrible defender and doesn’t have the lateral quickness to stay in front of wade

  6. jaylamerique

    Z:
    What is better for the long term future of the team? To be the 6th seed proving our improved status, or the 7th seed and getting a better draft pick? Perceived value vs. Real value!  

    by the time you get to the middle of the draft, its all about scouting over selection slot.

  7. CRJoe

    Robert Silverman:
    Plus, the pressure on the Heat is ginormous  

    I actually think the Celtics have more pressure, with the recent (plus the age of their core) I’m pretty sure they know this is their last chance to go for a ring… Meanwhile the Heat knows their core is in their prime and they can still play at the same level for 3-4 years, I’m sure that behind all the shenanigans and thrash talking LeBron thinks this is barely their first year together and things will only go up from here…

  8. Robert Silverman

    Knicks rolling. Mets clobbering the Phillies. I feel like I need to pinch myself

  9. Jake S.

    They look a lot better. I know D’Antoni needs to give everybody a blow, but I’d love to see him settle on an 8-9 man rotation.

  10. Jake S.

    In my best Lou Brown voice: “Nice pass Toney. Don’t ever F-ing doing it again.”

  11. Jake S.

    I know I’m splitting hairs here, but it would be great to see any signs of life from Stoudemire. He still looks pretty sluggish.

  12. art vandelay

    as a die hard Mets and Knicks fan this is shaping up to be (cross fingers) a nice, stress-free evening of game watching.

  13. Spree8nyk8

    That’s 2 or 3 great passes that melo has given and teammates unable to get a hold on it

  14. Spree8nyk8

    Jake S.: I know I’m splitting hairs here, but it would be great to see any signs of life from Stoudemire. He still looks pretty sluggish.  

    idk if you disagree or not but it seems to me like he’s saving himself for the playoffs, at least I hope that’s the case.

  15. Jake S.

    Could be. Problem is that he’s looked like a zombie for the past month or so. The numbers are basically there, but he doesn’t seem to get much elevation and his defensive rotations are a mess.

  16. Robert Silverman

    Jake S.: Could be. Problem is that he’s looked like a zombie for the past month or so. The numbers are basically there, but he doesn’t seem to get much elevation and his defensive rotations are a mess.  

    His defensive rotations have been a mess all season, to be fair

  17. art vandelay

    He is in full zombie regalia tonight…not sure why certain nights over others…last game he had no extra paraphernalia on….his defensive rotations have always been pretty putrid….can’t say they are really materially worse in the last month..he definitely doesn’t elevate around the rim as well as early in the season, though….that much is for sure.

  18. Jake S.

    My point is that he’s been looking especially statuesque of late. And yes, those leg wraps scare the bejesus out of me. I worry he’s mummifying before our very eyes. On a separate note, I don’t think I’ve ever seen them shoot like this.

  19. TheXman

    78 points is ridic, toronto isn’t like shooting horribly either. Hopefully they sustain for the 2nd half.

  20. Jake S.

    It’s plays like that that give me the willies. Two months ago, Amare would have dunked that ball on the rebound.

  21. Frank O.

    I do get frustrated watching them give away this lead.
    Of course, this happened last game before the Knicks pushed back.
    Still

  22. Robert Silverman

    FYI – for those who aren’t getting the Raptors feed, their color guy is a REALLY poor man’s Bob Raftery.

    A Derrick Brown sighting!

  23. cgreene

    Robert Silverman: FYI – for those who aren’t getting the Raptors feed, their color guy is a REALLY poor man’s Bob Raftery.
    A Derrick Brown sighting!  

    Isn’t that Andy Rautins’ dad Leo?

  24. Michael Cline

    Time to get Balkman some burn. Turiaf only 3 minutes? Is that right?

    Save Amare’s body and move on to the next game already

  25. Robert Silverman

    cgreene:
    Isn’t that Andy Rautins’ dad Leo?  

    Might be – they were also proclaiming that Andy Rautins is going to be a “big-time” player, somewhere in the NBA and hinted that the Knicks were screwing him over by not playing him

  26. CRJoe

    Michael Cline: Time to get Balkman some burn. Turiaf only 3 minutes? Is that right?Save Amare’s body and move on to the next game already  

    I just hate the fact that Amar’e gets so burnt in this games while Anthony gets the rest… Every single coach in the NBA would do the opposite of that… Maybe Vinny del Negro wouldn’t but you know, he doesn’t really count as a coach…

  27. Michael Cline

    Good lord knicks, don’t let them get to 120 on you just because you’re winning. I know we got this game, but gosh. A little D wouldn’t hurt

  28. Michael Cline

    CRJoe:
    I just hate the fact that Amar’e gets so burnt in this games while Anthony gets the rest… Every single coach in the NBA would do the opposite of that… Maybe Vinny del Negro wouldn’t but you know, he doesn’t really count as a coach…  

    I can’t figure that out

  29. art vandelay

    If we scored 250 and they scored 249 I would be happy with the victory at this point!

  30. massive

    Another good win. I mean we stopped playing defense in the 4th quarter, but at least we were able to afford it this time.

  31. cgreene

    I actually thought that Amare looked quite a bit more spry tonight. Maybe best explosion in a month. Maybe MDA saw him getting good legs and rhythm and wanted to let him continue. That can have a positive mental effect I would think.

  32. CRJoe

    So tomorrow night is the first time in this mini-winning streak that we face a team that actually plays D… I guess one of the keys will be to face the game not relying in contested outside shots and try to take it into Elton Brand & Thad Young… Amare’s recent out of shape concerns will be in the spotlight tomorrow… Also Philly strikes me as a team that doesn’t really relies in one player to dominate offensively, but if ‘Melo plays “Orlando like” defense on Iggy, will be all right…

  33. Robert Silverman

    CRJoe: So tomorrow night is the first time in this mini-winning streak that we face a team that actually plays D…  

    Orlando doesn’t play D?

  34. Robert Silverman

    TheXman: raptors were without bargnani, barbosa and calderon, i’ll take the win tho  

    That trio wouldn’t have helped on defense – in fact, playing them over Davis, Bayless, and say Weems might have made them worse.

  35. Brian Cronin

    Yeah, I don’t get the rest patterns either.

    Still, I love the win! I hope they finish the season over .500!

  36. Robert Silverman

    On a sad note – evidently Mozgov sustained a pretty bad injury to his knee/ankle.

  37. Robert Silverman

    CRJoe:
    Nop… Dwight Howard is the best defender in the league… But the rest of the Magic??? Come on…  

    They’re a top 5 defense by any statistical measure. Whether that’s all Howard isn’t the issue.

  38. d-mar

    My friend from Boston says they’d much rather play the Knicks in the first round, because young, athletic teams like the Sixers give them trouble. All I can say is – be careful what you wish for!

  39. CRJoe

    Damn, just check the Magic stats and their 3rd in defensive rating… Wonder how they get that done with Bass, Turkoglu, Richardson and Nelson starting??? And Arenas off the bench??? Damn… Dwight is good…

  40. Brian Cronin

    Randolph showed the best and the worst of his game tonight. He has a very good game overall, but with 30 seconds left in the game and his team down one, he makes a great steal at mid-court (the best) and then drives to the basket but just lets the ball slip out of his hand for a turnover (the worst).

  41. Brian Cronin

    Damn, just check the Magic stats and their 3rd in defensive rating… Wonder how they get that done with Bass, Turkoglu, Richardson and Nelson starting??? And Arenas off the bench??? Damn… Dwight is good…

    He really, really is.

  42. Brian Cronin

    Yay, Houston lost! Would have preferred to see Memphis win as well to really cinch it, but still, five games left to play, two and a half game lead for Memphis.

  43. Robert Silverman

    Brian Cronin: Randolph showed the best and the worst of his game tonight. He has a very good game overall, but with 30 seconds left in the game and his team down one, he makes a great steal at mid-court (the best) and then drives to the basket but just lets the ball slip out of his hand for a turnover (the worst).  

    That’s the thing with AR – If (and it’s a big “if) he puts it all together, he could be a beast. Will he? Who knows.

  44. nicos

    Really good ball movement in the first half- nice to see Billups with 9 assists in limited minutes. Another awful game on the glass but can’t make too much of it as the Knicks were up by double digits pretty much the entire game. And yeah, the one guy who you really need to rest plays 36 minutes. Tough to figure that one out. If the Knicks win tomorrow that’d give the Knicks a half game lead and the tie-breaker as they’ll have a better division record. Even then the Knicks would probably need to go 3-1 in thier last 4 to get the sixth seed as the only tough game left for the 76ers is Orlando. I just want the Knicks to finish above .500- I’m less concerned with playoff matchups (either way Miami or Boston is going to be really tough) than that.

  45. BigBlueAL

    Is it really that big a difference between the 16th and 17th pick in the draft?? I wanna see the Knicks finish 6th just for the ego standpoint lol.

  46. Brian Cronin

    I just want the Knicks to finish above .500- I’m less concerned with playoff matchups (either way Miami or Boston is going to be really tough) than that.

    Agreed. I really want a winning season. It is insane that it has been 10 years since their last winning season!

    By the way, something that is interesting vis a vis the #6 vs. the #7 seed. If both the Knicks and Philly advance, it’d be nice to have home court. Yeah, I don’t think that’s a good argument, either. ;)

  47. Brian Cronin

    Also, the Knicks haven’t finished as high as 2nd in their division since 2000. 2000, people!!!! They haven’t won their division since 1994, but that’s neither here nor there, but come on, not even second?!?!

  48. BigBlueAL

    Brian Cronin:
    Agreed. I really want a winning season. It is insane that it has been 10 years since their last winning season!By the way, something that is interesting vis a vis the #6 vs. the #7 seed. If both the Knicks and Philly advance, it’d be nice to have home court. Yeah, I don’t think that’s a good argument, either. ;)  

    Ha!! Homecourt in the 2nd round possibly!! lol

    Sixers w/o Lou Williams now plus Brand apparently playing with a broken hand could be fading down the stretch a bit. Gonna be interesting to see how hard the Knicks go for the win tomorrow night.

  49. Z

    Robert Silverman:
    they were also proclaiming that Andy Rautins is going to be a “big-time” player, somewhere in the NBA and hinted that the Knicks were screwing him over by not playing him  

    Donnie should trade him for Ed Davis while his stock is still high.

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